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beginning of new day, January 17

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7 AM, January 17

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07:10 schestowitz-TR; In the Age of Misleading Media (the System Relies on Induced Optimism) One Must Check Medical Facts for Oneself https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/medical-facts/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/medical-facts/

07:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive In the Age of Misleading Media (the System Relies on Induced Optimism) One Must Check Medical Facts for Oneself

07:52 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.pussthecat.org/MarkBeacham/status/1615154394764394497#m

↺ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/MarkBeacham/status/1615154394764394497#m

07:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.pussthecat.org | Mark Beacham - VK3XB/5Z4XB/A65B (@MarkBeacham): "Ham Radio: Links 16/01/2023: Microsoft RNDIS Ejected From Linux https://ift.tt/mQiNhXz" | Nitter | PussTheCat.org

↺ https://ift.tt/mQiNhXz"

07:52 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.pussthecat.org/luicito_chavez/status/1615220244431396865#m

↺ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/luicito_chavez/status/1615220244431396865#m

07:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.pussthecat.org | Luicito Chavez (@luicito_chavez): "techrights.org/author/schest" | Nitter | PussTheCat.org

07:52 techrigthssec; ack

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8 AM, January 17

08:09 schestowitz-TR; had a productive night so far

08:09 schestowitz-TR; ons #s will be out soon

08:09 techrigthssec; ack

08:09 schestowitz-TR; I want to compare those to prior years

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08:37 schestowitz-TR; seems like good news if idg cans its old sites

08:37 schestowitz-TR; for all i care, can all the old "content" too

08:37 schestowitz-TR; lots of crap in there

08:37 schestowitz-TR; better buried

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9 AM, January 17

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09:09 schestowitz-TR; my open office (two words) experience was so shit that I promised myself never to do it

09:09 schestowitz-TR; it's bad for many things inc. health

09:20 techrigthssec; There are countless studies showing that open plan office spaces are dreadful

09:20 techrigthssec; for both morale and for productivity

09:20 schestowitz-TR; they help create and cement BS jobs

09:21 techrigthssec; and, as you point out, health (through stress and germs)\

09:21 techrigthssec; That's the main reason they are in use still even a little bit.

09:23 schestowitz-TR; people who insist they are OK "working at the office"

09:23 schestowitz-TR; typially turn out to be foxes in the vineyard

09:23 schestowitz-TR; the grapes are sour anyway

09:23 schestowitz-TR; iow, they're not given a choice

09:23 schestowitz-TR; they must be at the office x days

09:25 schestowitz-TR; perhaps today many at microsoft will be given indefinite "sick leave"

09:25 schestowitz-TR; no pay, don't bother coming back

09:25 techrigthssec; or unpaid "leave"

09:26 schestowitz-TR; no kidding, intel ireland did it blatantly and openly months ago

09:26 schestowitz-TR; HR gettinc "creative"

09:52 techrigthssec; gemini.techrights.org/2023/01/17/rebranding-plagiarism-as-hey-hi/

09:52 techrigthssec; who is the quote in the summary from ?

09:52 techrigthssec; tm-new gallery updated

09:53 techrigthssec; bread crumb links modified this time

09:53 techrigthssec; nft -f /etc/nftables.nft to clear the black list


10 AM, January 17

10:11 schestowitz-TR; Enquiry Sent to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Regarding 'Missing' Deaths in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/office-for-national-statistics-enquiry/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/office-for-national-statistics-enquiry/

10:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Enquiry Sent to the Office for National Statistics (ONS) Regarding Missing Deaths in the United Kingdom

10:13 schestowitz-TR; fantastic work on tuxgallery

10:13 schestowitz-TR; so far no errors encountered!

10:13 schestowitz-TR; the 'tux museum' will be cheaper to keep alive this way

10:31 schestowitz-TR; In 2023, England and Wales Deaths More Than 22% Higher Than Pre-COVID-19 Levels https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/2023-and-pre-covid-19-levels/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/2023-and-pre-covid-19-levels/

10:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive In 2023, England and Wales Deaths More Than 22% Higher Than Pre-COVID-19 Levels

10:49 schestowitz-TR; Week 1 Deaths in England and Wales: In 2023 a 31.2% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 15-44, 27% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 45-64 (Compared to Pre-COVID) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/ons-week-1-deaths-england-and-wales-by-age/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/01/17/ons-week-1-deaths-england-and-wales-by-age/

10:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Week 1 Deaths in England and Wales: In 2023 a 31.2% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 15-44, 27% Increase in Deaths for People Aged 45-64 (Compared to Pre-COVID)


11 AM, January 17

11:29 schestowitz-TR; twitter needs a a boycott already. let it collapse. https://www.commondreams.org/news/covid-19-drugmaker-pushed-twitter-to-censor-activists-demanding-generic-vaccine | Source: Common Dreams

↺ https://www.commondreams.org/news/covid-19-drugmaker-pushed-twitter-to-censor-activists-demanding-generic-vaccine

11:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | 'Deeply Sinister': Emails Reveal Big Pharma Pushed Twitter to Silence Vaccine Equity Voices


1 PM, January 17

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13:45 techrigthssec; There are some redundant files to trim from it now but that can be done in

13:45 techrigthssec; a while

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2 PM, January 17

14:09 schestowitz-TR; just had a discussion about quitting things

14:09 schestowitz-TR; we are now 100% mumble

14:09 schestowitz-TR; rianne 100% veg

14:09 schestowitz-TR; i'm 100% off social control media

14:09 schestowitz-TR; and stopped with football cold turkey

14:09 schestowitz-TR; there are other examples

14:09 schestowitz-TR; but with gulag noise I still check sometimes

14:09 schestowitz-TR; e.g. msft layoffs

14:09 schestowitz-TR; just updated a post of mine

14:09 schestowitz-TR; now I'm 90%+ sure it's happening

14:09 schestowitz-TR; azure might be impacted too

14:10 schestowitz-TR; "eskiko" was shilling azure BS in IRC today

14:10 schestowitz-TR; I was not happy about gut feeling rather than facts re azure

14:21 techrigthssec; Great, though confirming the layoffs first is important. However they'kk

14:21 techrigthssec; do what they can to hide and misdirect and delay.

14:21 schestowitz-TR; they know it damages morale

14:21 schestowitz-TR; so we need to keep at it

14:24 psydruid; hence all this PR about HEY HI

14:25 psydruid; to mask the fact that Azure is not doing well

14:25 psydruid; and many people are getting fired

14:27 schestowitz-TR; right

14:27 techrigthssec; It also damages their share prices which they then have to spend/embezzle

14:27 techrigthssec; even more funds to pump up artificially when they do the "share repurchase"

14:37 techrigthssec; The have spare resources for playing with AI through the severely overprovisioned "Azure" hosting which is substa

14:37 techrigthssec; ntially devoid of paying clients.

14:37 techrigthssec; It's probably costing them more than they can afford to have all that

14:37 techrigthssec; dead servers space going to waste so they might as well run ML algorithms on

14:37 techrigthssec; it and try to spin that as a positive in the PR and among their shills.

14:38 schestowitz-TR; they already shut down some datacentres

14:38 schestowitz-TR; but the media picked up on this

14:38 schestowitz-TR; and it made azure look like the failure it is

14:38 schestowitz-TR; they also frantically came to our irc chat

14:38 schestowitz-TR; after we had written repeatedly about azure layoffs

14:39 schestowitz-TR; to downplay what's happening

14:39 schestowitz-TR; lewis wrote some articles on the failure that is azure

14:39 schestowitz-TR; based on insiders

14:39 schestowitz-TR; so azure has, in effect, been converted into a plagiarism machine

14:39 schestowitz-TR; pay your subscription fees to do your plagiarism with Microsoft's help

14:39 schestowitz-TR; text... images... code

14:39 schestowitz-TR; plagiarism as a service as I call it

14:39 schestowitz-TR; the new ebuzz video mentions the media bias and omission of class action lawsuiot

14:39 schestowitz-TR; there is now a new lawsuit over copyrights in image "HEY HI"

14:39 schestowitz-TR; basically sites that help create "derivatives" of artists' good work

14:59 techrigthssec; The eBuzz video nails the problem, no mainstream media at all has raised any

14:59 techrigthssec; of the key issues.


3 PM, January 17

15:02 schestowitz-TR; it took me a bit of time to realise all this fake hype is part of a PR campaign

15:02 schestowitz-TR; one mainly one company

15:02 schestowitz-TR; like with "github", they hide behind other brands

15:02 schestowitz-TR; musk said on the recdord that 'open HEY HI had been hijacked by MSFT years ago

15:02 schestowitz-TR; as if "HEY HI" was a nnew thing

15:02 schestowitz-TR; money buys perception

15:02 schestowitz-TR; look up "SCIGEN"

15:02 schestowitz-TR; circa 2004

15:02 schestowitz-TR; now they say things like "Office" will have this HEY HI

15:02 schestowitz-TR; and "Bing"

15:02 schestowitz-TR; "HEY HI"

15:02 schestowitz-TR; try it out!!! HEY HI

15:02 schestowitz-TR; Bing having layoffs

15:02 schestowitz-TR; pixie dust "HEY HI"

15:02 schestowitz-TR; even nadella's head will have HEY HI

15:02 schestowitz-TR; of course schneier had to massively participate in the hype campaign

15:02 schestowitz-TR; maybe without realising he had been taken for a ride by conde nasty [sic] i.e. microsoft

15:02 schestowitz-TR; sam varghese wrote about this fake hype 2 days ago

15:08 techrigthssec; Oh. I may have missed Sam's article, since ITWire doesn't get checked so often

15:08 techrigthssec; any more.

15:08 schestowitz-TR; he barely published anything anymore, like it's "seasonal"

15:10 schestowitz-TR; sam quoted an aexpert responding to microsoft bullshit that had been relayed by MS Schneier, iirc via

15:10 schestowitz-TR; Conde Nasty

15:10 schestowitz-TR; he links a lot to Conde and "new" Slashdot

15:10 schestowitz-TR; tons of crap

15:10 schestowitz-TR; I sigh a lot when seeing him posting new stuff

15:10 schestowitz-TR; now he's shilling his book that perpetuates myths about "hacker"

15:12 techrigthssec; Slashdot turned to crap after the first sale and still managed to go downhill

15:12 techrigthssec; from there.

15:13 techrigthssec; I guess it's owned by BIZX last I can tell. Dice and Conde Nast

15:13 techrigthssec; did their damage and kicked it down the road.

15:14 schestowitz-TR; are you sure conde nasty owned it?

15:14 techrigthssec; Not sure if I recall correctly

15:15 schestowitz-TR; i think that is not correct

15:16 schestowitz-TR; but dice i remember, now it's this guy logan

15:16 schestowitz-TR; who came to TR IRC

15:16 schestowitz-TR; to try to coivince us things would improve and wanted to make a good first impression

15:16 schestowitz-TR; i think dice was even worse tbh

15:16 schestowitz-TR; they activbely promoted gates lies

15:16 schestowitz-TR; and even employed microsoft moles

15:16 techrigthssec; Conde Nast still owns Ars Technica and what remains of Wired

15:18 techrigthssec; and "Reddit"

15:18 techrigthssec; At least one m$ shill seems to have been planted in Slashdot prior to the

15:18 techrigthssec; sale to Dice, if I recall the timing correctly. It certainly was under

15:18 techrigthssec; attack then

15:20 schestowitz-TR; conde used New Yorker to compel 'L'F to put Torvalds in the clinic

15:20 schestowitz-TR; they 'settled' on that

15:20 schestowitz-TR; after crazy scum mjg and his other ilk of crzzied kept libeling the man who wanted

15:20 schestowitz-TR; to keep quality control and goals in check

15:22 schestowitz-TR; RebeccaBlackOS is hardly used by anyone. Larabel uses that to shill crappy Wayland. Hey, RebeccaBlackOS doesn't need to worry about stability and compatibility. It's a JOKE distro. For JOKERS like Phorpnix. https://www.phoronix.com/news/RBOS-January-2023

↺ https://www.phoronix.com/news/RBOS-January-2023

15:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-RBOS Updated As The Linux Live Environment Showcasing The Latest Wayland Code - Phoronix

15:23 techrigthssec; It was the New Yorker article which set off the lynch mob in earnest wasn't it.

15:24 schestowitz-TR; a

15:24 schestowitz-TR; s people pointed out in LWN, New Yorker demanded action BEFORE publication

15:24 schestowitz-TR; then LF agreed to put aside Torvalds

15:24 schestowitz-TR; hence, the headline at the New Yorker reported the "outcome"

15:24 schestowitz-TR; so it was a work behing the scene

15:24 schestowitz-TR; to get Torvalds "fired"

15:24 schestowitz-TR; familiar?

15:24 schestowitz-TR; dirt digging

15:26 schestowitz-TR; LT became sacrificial lamb for LF

15:26 schestowitz-TR; to "protect" its (Microsoft) brand

15:26 schestowitz-TR; LF does not value the person who made the "L"

15:26 schestowitz-TR; unless he conforms e.g. rust (github/google)

15:26 schestowitz-TR; nwo there is very little resistance to lockdown and palladium inside linux

15:26 schestowitz-TR; don't expect LT to act better than tim bl on DRM

15:27 techrigthssec; scape goat actually

15:27 techrigthssec; He remains only as a mascot, if one goes by appearances

15:34 psydruid; Gates is the master and Torvalds the puppet, at last


6 PM, January 17

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9 PM, January 17

21:35 schestowitz-TR; we've been getting perl errors, both accounts, when trying to add or update TM

21:35 schestowitz-TR; was anything changed on the system?

21:35 schestowitz-TR; it says it lacks the Capture/Tiny.pm module

21:35 schestowitz-TR; fixed with apk add perl-capture-tiny

21:36 schestowitz-TR; did you change something a few hours ago (around 7pm GMT)?


10 PM, January 17

22:25 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: MSFT layoffs

22:25 schestowitz-TR; think of that as a treat

22:25 schestowitz-TR; they're hurting

22:25 schestowitz-TR; let's do another round

22:25 psydruid; the more layoffs the better

22:25 schestowitz-TR; until there's no Microsoft left or very little

22:25 psydruid; until all employees have been laid off

22:25 schestowitz-TR; yeah, more is better

22:25 schestowitz-TR; then, if Microsoft is busted, they cannot spread windows either

22:26 psydruid; and the leadership has kicked the curb

22:26 schestowitz-TR; no microsoft crap left to spread to company

22:26 schestowitz-TR; companies, unis, etc.

22:26 psydruid; the single most malicious company ever

22:26 schestowitz-TR; no github :-)

22:26 schestowitz-TR; offline

22:26 schestowitz-TR; "BUT ME REPOS!!!"

22:26 psydruid; probably even worse than IBM in its reach

22:26 schestowitz-TR; "BUT MY LIKES/STARS!!"

22:27 psydruid; because there weren't as many computers during IBM's heyday

22:27 schestowitz-TR; "oh noes; azure is shutting down like codeplex"

22:27 psydruid; and there were more companies that competed with one another

22:27 schestowitz-TR; yeah

22:27 schestowitz-TR; concentration of power is always harmful

22:27 psydruid; most of them with their own Unix variant

22:28 schestowitz-TR; they don't need to compete as much

22:28 psydruid; Microsoft has really caused a race to the bottom

22:28 psydruid; in terms of everything to do with IT and CS

22:29 schestowitz-TR; exactly

22:29 schestowitz-TR; we've discussed it here in IRC

22:29 schestowitz-TR; that's not to say that no microsoft-> utopia

22:29 schestowitz-TR; we'll still have other perils

22:29 schestowitz-TR; but MSFT being like Novell (defunct) would be a step in the right direction

22:29 schestowitz-TR; esp. for GNU/Linux

22:29 schestowitz-TR; and FOSS

22:30 schestowitz-TR; because only one company attacks those THAT much

22:30 psydruid; without Microsoft sabotage and distraction constructive work can be done again

22:30 schestowitz-TR; yes, but there will be other barriers

22:30 schestowitz-TR; the other obstacles may included Gulag

22:30 schestowitz-TR; Gulag also doe snot like GPL

22:30 psydruid; Gulag is fortunately peripheral to most end user computing

22:31 schestowitz-TR; either way, today/tomorrow will be a good milestone

22:31 psydruid; and doesn't own GNU or Linux

22:31 schestowitz-TR; now I want to know what divisions are cut the most

22:31 schestowitz-TR; azure? github?

22:31 psydruid; no single company does

22:31 schestowitz-TR; windows?

22:31 schestowitz-TR; we'll find out soon

22:31 psydruid; hopefully all of them all of the time

22:32 schestowitz-TR; it's a momentum thing

22:32 schestowitz-TR; once you cut it gets worse

22:32 schestowitz-TR; like, fire windows devs

22:32 schestowitz-TR; and Windows Update introduces more bugs

22:32 schestowitz-TR; so people cannot reboot

22:32 schestowitz-TR; or lose file

22:32 schestowitz-TR; and that leds Windows down some death spiral

22:32 schestowitz-TR; if the corrupt media will start covering GNU/Linux

22:32 schestowitz-TR; instead of pretending the choice is about WHICH VERSIOn of Windows

22:33 psydruid; what made it clear to me that there is no way back is that the various incarnations of Windows Phone are dead and buried

22:33 psydruid; if it was so easy they could have just recompiled all applications and owned the "smartphone" market too

22:34 schestowitz-TR; microsoft seldom announes something is dead

22:34 schestowitz-TR; with atom editor they said "sunsetting"

22:34 psydruid; but they were greedy and paranoid so they launched several incompatible versions

22:34 schestowitz-TR; silverlight, zune....

22:34 psydruid; they should have stuck with a pure ARM port of desktop Windows

22:35 schestowitz-TR; msft layoffs bad news for amd and intel

22:35 psydruid; but their stupidity is our gain

22:35 schestowitz-TR; bad news for larabel

22:36 psydruid; once you have applications running on your operating system it becomes a juggernaut

22:36 psydruid; which is why free software is unstoppable

22:36 psydruid; everything gets updates to work together all the time

22:37 psydruid; larabel will cling to ARM or whatever replaces Intel and AMD

22:41 schestowitz-TR; anyway, just told rianne

22:41 schestowitz-TR; she is happy about this whole thing

22:41 schestowitz-TR; "good job, lads!"

22:41 schestowitz-TR; let's do another round of demolition at Microsoft

22:42 psydruid; https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/qds/

↺ https://illumos.org/docs/contributing/qds/

22:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-illumos.org | Quality Death Spiral - illumos

22:42 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: larabel is already in deep s***

22:42 schestowitz-TR; if you check his appeals for money

22:42 schestowitz-TR; as it's harder to break even with these energy prices

22:43 schestowitz-TR; i need phoronix... for links about kernel dev

22:43 schestowitz-TR; just the links

22:43 schestowitz-TR; as nobody else daoes that

22:43 schestowitz-TR; 15 years ago a site called KernelTrap did that

22:43 schestowitz-TR; it requires deepm kernel knowledge

22:43 schestowitz-TR; LWN is not very active

22:43 psydruid; if you sell out like he has done and you still can't pay the bills, you may be doing something wrong

22:43 schestowitz-TR; maybe an article per day only

22:44 psydruid; I don't really follow LWN or Phoronix for kernel stuff

22:44 psydruid; I read the O'Reilly books about 15 years ago

22:44 psydruid; I need to read modern ones

22:45 psydruid; to get an idea of the current state

22:45 schestowitz-TR; linux is... weird

22:45 schestowitz-TR; let me explain

22:45 schestowitz-TR; linux has a "core"

22:45 schestowitz-TR; that is not THAT big

22:45 schestowitz-TR; they cull old code

22:45 schestowitz-TR; but a lot of the code is vendor-specific

22:46 schestowitz-TR; and nobody except one or few companies know it

22:46 schestowitz-TR; so something like schedular evolves

22:46 schestowitz-TR; but a lot of the code is in things like massive drivers for GPUs

22:46 schestowitz-TR; *scheduler

22:46 schestowitz-TR; so you never really know "Linux"

22:46 schestowitz-TR; then you have massive drivers for hypervisors

22:47 psydruid; you can only know a part of Linux and then it keeps moving forward (or backward)

22:51 schestowitz-TR; yes, notice con kolivas is no longer bothering

22:51 schestowitz-TR; he said it had grown too big

22:52 psydruid; I don't bother, even though I know my way around the code

22:52 psydruid; and I have no plans to take up a Linux kernel developer job

22:53 psydruid; even though ARM offered me one a few years ago to work on Linux/KVM

22:54 psydruid; there is just too much BS going around in that community

22:55 schestowitz-TR; not sure

22:55 schestowitz-TR; it can pay well

22:55 schestowitz-TR; and if you like c, it's not a bad career=

22:56 schestowitz-TR; linux won't go away any time soon

22:56 schestowitz-TR; I could probably become a linux developers

22:56 schestowitz-TR; because it's in c

22:56 psydruid; I'm not interested

22:56 schestowitz-TR; but... steep learning curve

22:56 schestowitz-TR; git mailing lists, structure, APIs

22:56 schestowitz-TR; and even then your patches might be considered "risky"

22:56 schestowitz-TR; and thus not pushed

22:57 schestowitz-TR; so you can spend months working on just a patch ~1000 lines of code

22:57 schestowitz-TR; testing and refining it

22:57 psydruid; just too much red tape for me to feel productive

22:57 schestowitz-TR; at that point,

22:57 schestowitz-TR; several linux releases were out

22:57 schestowitz-TR; like 6.0, 6.1

22:57 schestowitz-TR; with "rust now available"

22:57 schestowitz-TR; so you're always chasing yesterday's kernel

22:58 schestowitz-TR; and your code becomes obsolete a few years later

22:58 psydruid; but it might be a good job for you, if you are interested

22:58 psydruid; I think you just focus on a specific subsystem

22:59 psydruid; and yes, it will become obsolete and be in need of updating

22:59 psydruid; but that's what you get paid for


11 PM, January 17

23:00 psydruid; I might end up at CapGemini in the short term while working on my plans for the longer term

23:01 schestowitz-TR; arm had MANY layofgs

23:01 psydruid; I've finally been seriouslu learning web programming for the past few days on freecodecamp.org

23:01 schestowitz-TR; one third iirc

23:01 schestowitz-TR; *layoffs

23:01 psydruid; seriously*

23:02 psydruid; that's why I learned ARM assembly and immediately after RISC-V

23:03 psydruid; now anything I write for ARM I port it to RISC-V soon after

23:04 schestowitz-TR; iirc, that codecamp has microsoft boosters

23:04 schestowitz-TR; if that's the site i removed from rss

23:04 psydruid; the biggest burden will be porting things back to x86

23:04 psydruid; probably

23:04 psydruid; but I'm concerned about learning stuff, I couldn't care much about the site itself

23:05 psydruid; so far I haven't come across anything Microsoft-specific

23:06 schestowitz-TR; Larabel: AMD is sending me dozens of expensive CPUs (list here is just Ryzen series, not EPYC) https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400/2

↺ https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400/2

23:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Intel Core i5 13400 Linux Performance - Raptor Lake 10 Cores / 16 Threads For $239 Review - Phoronix

23:06 schestowitz-TR; maybe they sent him over 100 by now

23:06 schestowitz-TR; but EPYC is the jewel

23:07 schestowitz-TR; sure, overpriced

23:07 schestowitz-TR; but you can offload them in ebay for 5k apiece

23:07 schestowitz-TR; and I doubt he truly needs that many

23:07 psydruid; the jewel of the nile

23:07 schestowitz-TR; AMD reckons it's cheap to send loads of these

23:07 schestowitz-TR; then he starts peddling AMD Pluton

23:07 schestowitz-TR; and clown

23:07 psydruid; maybe no one else wants them

23:07 schestowitz-TR; (azure)

23:08 schestowitz-TR; yes, they are overpriced

23:08 psydruid; AMD and Intel are caught in between

23:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe they have excess stock now

23:08 psydruid; lots of competitors are coming up now

23:08 schestowitz-TR; as a business, I'd not spend $10,000 just for a CPU

23:08 schestowitz-TR; even 120+ cores

23:09 psydruid; they're essentially a legacy product for running an obsolete and irrelevant operating system

23:09 schestowitz-TR; i worked with companies that had CPUs like these

23:09 schestowitz-TR; and like 90% of the time nothing runs on them

23:09 schestowitz-TR; overprovisioned to the extreme

23:09 schestowitz-TR; and if they run something they need fast

23:09 schestowitz-TR; it might finish minutes/hours later

23:10 schestowitz-TR; then idling for a day

23:10 schestowitz-TR; so it's uneconomic

23:10 schestowitz-TR; better to have several low powered machines

23:10 schestowitz-TR; you can turn them off when you don't need them

23:10 psydruid; people will need fewer and fewer of them

23:10 schestowitz-TR; last year I started to turn off my screens when afk

23:10 schestowitz-TR; due to rising costs of energy

23:10 psydruid; that's what I do at home

23:10 psydruid; when I don't need much -> ARM

23:11 psydruid; when I need more compute power -> x86 laptop (up to 3/4)

23:12 psydruid; in the clown they are supposed to run at 90% capacity at all time

23:14 psydruid; they can ask $10,000 due to monopoly rents

23:14 psydruid; as was mentioned earlier here

23:15 schestowitz-TR; right

23:15 psydruid; when they have to compete on equal footing prices will have to drop

23:15 schestowitz-TR; they might say "R&d"

23:15 schestowitz-TR; code for "patents"

23:15 schestowitz-TR; or ripoff

23:15 psydruid; GNU/Linux is the big equaliser

23:15 schestowitz-TR; but those dies don't cost much to make

23:15 schestowitz-TR; they overcharge

23:15 schestowitz-TR; and with so many cores I'd struggle to find use

23:15 schestowitz-TR; even video processing

23:15 schestowitz-TR; you finish faster

23:15 schestowitz-TR; and then what???

23:15 schestowitz-TR; I run ffmpeg nice'd

23:16 psydruid; I would only ever buy and run one for a private clown

23:16 schestowitz-TR; my PCs are under-utilised already

23:16 schestowitz-TR; atm I use 4 of them

23:16 psydruid; to let many developers and users access it at the same time

23:16 schestowitz-TR; with 8 screens

23:16 schestowitz-TR; with two raspi working in the background

23:16 schestowitz-TR; one does almost nothing

23:16 schestowitz-TR; shows weather and recipes

23:18 schestowitz-TR; Phoronix is an Apple site today? https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-M2-Pro-M2-Max relevance to Linux? NOTHING.

↺ https://www.phoronix.com/news/Apple-M2-Pro-M2-Max

23:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Apple Launches The M2 Pro & M2 Max + New Mac Mini With M2 / M2 Pro - Phoronix

23:19 psydruid; I bought a cheap used Sun SPARC rack server years ago for testing Linux at about the same time I bought my first ARM SBC and an old Powermac G5

23:20 psydruid; after a few years all that expensive hardware ends up on eBay

23:22 schestowitz-TR; i no longer use arm on here

23:22 schestowitz-TR; the arm machine I gave to rianne

23:22 schestowitz-TR; she uses two arm machines now

23:22 schestowitz-TR; i used to have 5 laptops here

23:22 schestowitz-TR; now it's done to 4, with 8 screens, not 9 or 10

23:22 schestowitz-TR; it was too much anyway

23:22 schestowitz-TR; I consolidated a bit

23:23 schestowitz-TR; rianne now uses 3 machines, I use 4+1 (pi)

23:23 schestowitz-TR; and the power bills are not insane at all

23:24 psydruid; power consumption is one of the main criteria now

23:25 psydruid; I optimize for that when the performance is already adequate

23:25 schestowitz-TR; we even pay less than before

23:25 schestowitz-TR; because of the gov. scheme

23:25 schestowitz-TR; 66 a month

23:25 psydruid; and that will get more important over time

23:26 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: my scarcity is time

23:26 schestowitz-TR; and more screens can save time

23:26 psydruid; I want to minimise my bills and get the best performance while doing so

23:26 schestowitz-TR; so I don't need to move between virtual desktops

23:26 schestowitz-TR; CPU power is not the scarcity

23:26 schestowitz-TR; video processing is the only very heavy task here

23:27 schestowitz-TR; takes up maybe 1-2 hours per day on just one machine

23:27 schestowitz-TR; and next month we should get fibre

23:27 psydruid; if I do need more performance I start one of the fast laptops

23:32 schestowitz-TR; 20 years ago with fedora and suse... wake on lan

23:32 schestowitz-TR; with sleep or hibernationm

23:32 schestowitz-TR; so you can access lab machines overnight

23:32 schestowitz-TR; using nfs

23:32 schestowitz-TR; and then run simulations on whole clusters of computers

23:33 schestowitz-TR; for the CPU capacity

23:33 schestowitz-TR; was very common even then

23:33 schestowitz-TR; for my phd I needed to run very big jobs

23:38 psydruid; I'll see what I can do in the future

23:39 psydruid; but I don't know what the future will bring


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