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1 AM, December 16

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2 AM, December 16

02:23 schestowitz-TR; rust has a new release

02:23 schestowitz-TR; either LT is brainwashed

02:23 schestowitz-TR; or pressured to go along with it

02:23 schestowitz-TR; I still see many downsides

02:23 schestowitz-TR; only more and more over time

02:23 schestowitz-TR; it seems they admit to have governance issue

02:23 schestowitz-TR; and highly unstable APIs

02:23 schestowitz-TR; aside from many other issues

02:25 techrightssec2; Probably pressured

02:25 schestowitz-TR; JAVASCRIPT strikes AGAIN: "cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerability exists in the web interface" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-346-05

↺ https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-346-05

02:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | Siemens PLM Help Server | CISA

02:28 techrightssec2; Even all other factors aside, adding two languages means that efforts

02:28 techrightssec2; are split and that those that only know one are at a disadvantage because

02:28 techrightssec2; they only get half the picture, yet at the same time those that know both

02:28 techrightssec2; might not gain the advantage of focusing on one

02:30 schestowitz-TR; LT said he had wasted ("spent") time studying rust

02:30 schestowitz-TR; surely he had had better things to do

02:30 schestowitz-TR; like learning new lang that's not even stabke... in his 50s

02:30 schestowitz-TR; if rust goes titsup, linux needs to step in and adopt the darn github thing

02:30 schestowitz-TR; or rewrite a ton of code under time constraints

02:30 schestowitz-TR; rust needed linux more than linux needed rust

02:30 schestowitz-TR; it's a marketing opportunity

02:30 schestowitz-TR; rust was developed on gulag's payroll

02:30 schestowitz-TR; on microsoft platforms

02:31 techrightssec2; That's another point, stability.

02:31 techrightssec2; C is quite stable and, more importantly, standardized.

02:31 techrightssec2; Yes, I think that is the point, Rust is exploiting Linux to give M$ more of

02:31 techrightssec2; a foothold in the programming market.

02:31 techrightssec2; s/if rust/when rust/

02:33 schestowitz-TR; rust won't live for 32 yeasrs like linus did

02:33 schestowitz-TR; rust is already have severe internal issues

02:33 schestowitz-TR; those are not even so well hidden

02:33 schestowitz-TR; and the guy you linked to this week even admits this upfront at the start of his blog post

02:33 schestowitz-TR; I forgot his name

02:33 schestowitz-TR; linus and linux should have learned from the past SCM mistake

02:33 schestowitz-TR; it was tridgell's mistake iirc (spelling)

02:34 techrightssec2; M$ coninutes to buy faculty menbers at and from universities using the bailout

02:34 techrightssec2; money and perhaps the debt it loads onto new acquisitions.

02:34 techrightssec2; Yes, rust appears not to be planned out beyond some basics

02:37 techrightssec2; https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustdoc/unstable-features.html

↺ https://doc.rust-lang.org/rustdoc/unstable-features.html

02:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-doc.rust-lang.org | Unstable features - The rustdoc book

02:41 schestowitz-TR; rust as a while is not stables in the sense that things change too fast

02:41 schestowitz-TR; so if I wrote x in rust, and then rust had new version, I'd have to spend time rewriting x as y

02:41 schestowitz-TR; it's a waste of time

02:41 schestowitz-TR; that's why i fell in love with bash

02:41 schestowitz-TR; php and python change too fast

02:42 techrightssec2; PHP has had, or at least used to have, severe security holes built into the

02:42 techrightssec2; design; Furthermore, at its peak popularity many of the most touted functions

02:42 techrightssec2; were not complete enough to be usable; In contrast, the corresponding CPAN

02:42 techrightssec2; modules were not just complete but quite mature.

02:42 techrightssec2; at that time.

02:45 schestowitz-TR; brb, a little overloaded atm

02:45 schestowitz-TR; 6c indoors too

02:46 techrightssec2; too chilly for work at 6C, increase to at least 18C


3 AM, December 16

03:09 schestowitz-TR; eskimo clothing works ok

03:09 schestowitz-TR; but the problem is the finger while typing (without hot drink)

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4 AM, December 16

04:40 schestowitz-TR; seems like I did not leave twitter; instead twitter left all of us


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6 AM, December 16

06:54 techrightssec2; I hope he buys Facebook next


7 AM, December 16

07:18 schestowitz-TR; sam varghese mia again

07:18 schestowitz-TR; f

07:18 schestowitz-TR; for nearly a month already

07:18 schestowitz-TR; so all I see is LF puff piece and other worthless parrots

07:18 schestowitz-TR; with zero critical skills or none they are permitted to exercise

07:29 techrightssec2; ack

07:29 techrightssec2; btw the IEEE link at 04:30 goes to an article relevant to patents, perhaps

07:29 techrightssec2; even sw patents. but the gist is that the patents were of no help to even

07:29 techrightssec2; a medium-sized company. only the largest have a war chest big enough to

07:29 techrightssec2; actually deal with infringers which are actually manufacturing something

07:29 techrightssec2; and not NPEs

07:29 techrightssec2; Sam has not been around much at IT Wire, and I can't really recall when he

07:29 techrightssec2; has last written. I suppose they are setting him aside. I would guess because

07:29 techrightssec2; they want to make room for the puff pieces and ads dressed up as articles.

07:30 schestowitz-TR; so even attacking rms repeatedly was not good enough...

07:30 schestowitz-TR; adveertisers want more

07:30 schestowitz-TR; rianne says that in aussie there is ssome epstein scandal brewing

07:30 schestowitz-TR; seems like media protects identities of the perverts

07:30 schestowitz-TR; we need wikielaks

07:38 techrightssec2; ack

07:38 techrightssec2; Media protecting criminals

07:38 schestowitz-TR; like alex graveley

07:38 schestowitz-TR; because it would hurt microsoft's agenda

07:38 schestowitz-TR; and its anti-gpl "hey hi"


8 AM, December 16

08:03 techrightssec2; ack

08:29 techrightssec2; It seems that over the decades there are several interest backing m$ antics

08:29 techrightssec2; against software freedom, perhaps as part of a larger maneuver against

08:29 techrightssec2; freedom, education, and self-determination in general.

08:31 schestowitz-TR; enemy of my enemy is my friene

08:31 schestowitz-TR; gulag <3 microsoft

08:31 schestowitz-TR; they both dislike gpl/copyleft

08:35 schestowitz-TR; ...yeah, covid-19 totally over. rising by 28% in hospitalisations this past week (patients with covid) in England alone. The death tolls will be big when ONS gets around to it...

08:36 techrightssec2; Google built its empire on and because of the GPL so it is hypocritical of them

08:36 techrightssec2; to attack it, but given the large number of microsofters they have brought

08:36 techrightssec2; inside it is not a surprise just a disappointment


10 AM, December 16

10:07 techrightssec2; ack

10:16 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the info

10:16 schestowitz-TR; many weather records broken this year in many areas

10:16 schestowitz-TR; i think of that as stress-testing a number of things around the home (and work)

10:16 schestowitz-TR; if we can cope with -8, then I reckon things are ok

10:16 schestowitz-TR; the pipe that burst is apparently just the end/nozzle

10:16 schestowitz-TR; so should be easy to re-attach/repair

10:16 schestowitz-TR; i want to see ONS #s

10:16 schestowitz-TR; for dec 5th-17th

10:16 schestowitz-TR; more specifically mortality

10:16 schestowitz-TR; we get figures now affirming very high hospital admission

10:16 schestowitz-TR; being seriously ill is not an option at this time

10:22 schestowitz-TR; the protein shakes seem to be helping with weight loss and rianne has not received reply to 3 out of 4

10:22 schestowitz-TR; tomorrow is my birthday, then we have lots of catching up to do

10:22 schestowitz-TR; 36 cupcakes

10:22 schestowitz-TR; /s/not/now/

10:22 techrightssec2; good

10:22 techrightssec2; s/not/now/ ?

10:22 techrightssec2; Nice. What flavor?

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10:25 schestowitz-TR; the cupcakes are vanilla and choc

10:25 schestowitz-TR; the shakes are strawberry and salted caramel

10:25 schestowitz-TR; we'll check soon if we can get more of these

10:25 schestowitz-TR; when I was young I rarely got these sorts of shakes

10:25 schestowitz-TR; they are like 2 pounds a serving

10:25 schestowitz-TR; in 2000 or so maybe 1 pound a serving

10:25 schestowitz-TR; a can of tune was half the price and more protein

10:25 schestowitz-TR; *tuna

10:26 techrightssec2; What are they made from? It might be possible to make something rather

10:26 techrightssec2; similar.

10:34 schestowitz-TR; wow, the way things are going at twitter, maybe I'll soon detch tuxmachines's diaspora account from twitter

10:34 schestowitz-TR; twitter is the "mainstream" gab

10:47 techrightssec2; It's getting that way.

10:47 techrightssec2; Remember that Musks financial backers also set Faux News on its feet and pointed

10:47 techrightssec2; in the direction it has traveled.

10:57 schestowitz-TR; http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/

http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/

10:57 schestowitz-TR; they should rewirte linux in pascal for transmeta arch

10:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Life of Linux Will Be Shortened by a Misguided Adoption of Rust | Techrights


11 AM, December 16

11:02 schestowitz-TR; i was messing about with javascript and to a lesser extent with vbscript (VERY little) more than 20 years ago

11:02 schestowitz-TR; I lost interest for all sorts of reasons

11:02 schestowitz-TR; it also didn't feel like programming

11:02 schestowitz-TR; but a bunch of 'hacks' some browsers may or may not support

11:02 schestowitz-TR; and it did not age well

11:02 schestowitz-TR; icbm is wiping out red hat's site with mandatory js

11:02 schestowitz-TR; more sites over time

11:02 schestowitz-TR; it also f***ed up the rss feeds

11:02 schestowitz-TR; ibm seems to employ not the cream of the crop

11:03 schestowitz-TR; but the bottom of the barrel

11:09 schestowitz-TR; they should ship rust runtime with mozilla firefox

11:09 schestowitz-TR; and teach developers to do rust inside web pages

11:09 schestowitz-TR; to run on the client end ;-)

11:09 schestowitz-TR; good for rust "market share"

11:09 schestowitz-TR; google easted a ton of money on rust

11:09 schestowitz-TR; and it was going nowhere

11:09 techrightssec2; :(

11:09 schestowitz-TR; many people were leaving

11:09 schestowitz-TR; but they didn't give up

11:09 schestowitz-TR; lobbied kernel for 3 years

11:09 schestowitz-TR; created shell (lobby) groups

11:09 schestowitz-TR; until it was nailed into the coffin of torvalds after he had been "disciplined"

11:09 schestowitz-TR; and now they use "linux" as a marketing and "Selling point"

11:09 schestowitz-TR; a lot of rust adopters are just people who think FOSS = Microsoft GitHub

11:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe if google depends on many giuthub things they will up the pressure for linux too to go there

11:09 schestowitz-TR; notice how in every git release announcement the official release links to github

11:09 schestowitz-TR; and then idiots who mentin the release use github as primary source

11:09 schestowitz-TR; as if github is the project manager of git

11:09 schestowitz-TR; this is aggressive takeover

11:09 schestowitz-TR; communities attacks by corporate manuever

11:09 schestowitz-TR; manoeuvre

11:13 schestowitz-TR; i think I will spare ~1 hour a week in productivity by no longer following any football, which became toxic polit

11:13 schestowitz-TR; ics

11:13 schestowitz-TR; it was always political, but this flavour of politics is too extreme

11:13 schestowitz-TR; i am trying to check where else to free up time

11:30 techrightssec2; Don't skimp on exercise

11:30 techrightssec2; I wonder if Musk pays as much or more than Gates for reputation managment firms

11:30 techrightssec2; to astroturf various forums and sites.

11:30 techrightssec2; For time management, it can help to occasionally prioritize things as in what

11:30 techrightssec2; is objectively the best use of your time at any given moment. It's hard to

11:30 techrightssec2; fit into soceity if one becomes to efficient and low bullshit though

11:30 schestowitz-TR; one leads to showoff, envy, then consumerism, and finally debt and bad health

11:32 techrightssec2; The showing off, envy, and consumerism are not only a sign of the times but

11:32 techrightssec2; might also be part of why FOSS is having such a hard time. (only part of

11:32 techrightssec2; the reason) That would be because many have been trained to aim to either

11:32 techrightssec2; get over on other people, thus hostility to cooperation. It would also be

11:32 techrightssec2; because they have also been trained to have self worth not just based on

11:32 techrightssec2; comparison (envy) to others but also in having something the others don't or

11:32 techrightssec2; just flat out deny others access. This idea of helping everyone advance is

11:32 techrightssec2; anathema to what's on TV (neftlix etc) and social control media.

11:36 schestowitz-TR; precisely, biab

11:36 schestowitz-TR; back

11:36 schestowitz-TR; still going through links

11:36 schestowitz-TR; many linux (ish) sites repost articles from 5-10 years ago

11:36 schestowitz-TR; those with many comments on them

11:36 schestowitz-TR; hoping those will seem new

11:37 techrightssec2; Also many companies have been training the population that expense in and of

11:37 techrightssec2; itself is a goal; thus utter garbage vehicles and service like Mercedes having

11:37 techrightssec2; any market at all, same for several other brands of vehicle

11:37 techrightssec2; Yes there has been a dreadful slowdown in professional articles; It is *very*

11:37 techrightssec2; time consuming to try to compensate with blog material but probably worth it

11:37 techrightssec2; in the long run.

11:38 schestowitz-TR; people keep mentioning netflix

11:38 schestowitz-TR; I never saw it (that I know of)

11:38 schestowitz-TR; are they operaint at a loss atm?

11:38 schestowitz-TR; /me checks latest rumours re msft layoffs

11:44 schestowitz-TR; NHS England: We had 27,830 COVID-19 cases this past week and 5,250 COVID hospitalisations (of hospitalisations of people who test positive for COVID). So do 20% of those with COVID-19 end up parcelled into a hospital bed? OR... should we be TESTED more to CURB the spread?

11:47 schestowitz-TR; Becoming blind to COVID-19 does not mean defeating it. It just helps it spread and do damage. Meanwhile, 2.2 million Brits report themselves as suffering long COVID (they're afraid to tell their employer; they hide it). Almost a million are unable to work due to illness. Working age people... cannot work due to sickness; total number of deaths per week soared. All age groups impacted.

11:55 schestowitz-TR; since 2008 it has seems safe to assume most companies were lying about their finances

11:55 schestowitz-TR; and even those who claim to profit were operating at a loss due to debt/borrowings

11:55 schestowitz-TR; but it was mostly about optics

11:55 schestowitz-TR; the madoff way

11:55 schestowitz-TR; pretends to be big, hope it'll become a reality and liabilities can be written off later

11:55 schestowitz-TR; don't know how ftx was set up, perhaps similarly


noon, December 16

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12:02 schestowitz-TR; [12:02] <schestowitz[TR]> 6 months ago: "Facebook and Netflix report losses, the stocks immediately crumble. GameStop reports loss, its as nothing has happened. GameStop is impenetrable by fud."

12:03 techrightssec2; Notice a trajectory?

12:03 techrightssec2; https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20220714121042776

↺ https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20220714121042776

12:03 techrightssec2; https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/64-americans-today-think-it-sometimes-justified-lie-compared-42-2006

↺ https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/64-americans-today-think-it-sometimes-justified-lie-compared-42-2006

12:03 techrightssec2; That too goes against FOSS' very mechanism of operation.

12:03 techrightssec2; Part of the reasons that companies lie are it's taught to MBAs as ok, and

12:03 techrightssec2; Enron-style accounting is established as the way to do business.

12:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.universityworldnews.com | Universities have an urgent mission: Make lying wrong again

12:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/64-americans-today-think-it-sometimes-justified-lie-compared-42-2006 )

↺ https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/64-americans-today-think-it-sometimes-justified-lie-compared-42-2006

12:03 techrightssec2; and tolerated by the tax authorities and SEC

12:06 schestowitz-TR; my ongoing series will cover some of that

12:06 schestowitz-TR; as I saw it from closer

12:06 schestowitz-TR; expedited it a bit to finish the report before year's end

12:06 schestowitz-TR; then, next year, there's a lot more

12:06 schestowitz-TR; months ago I reposted an old video of kirk weibe

12:06 schestowitz-TR; on how 90% of the us public thought cheating or lying was ok

12:06 schestowitz-TR; a sharp increase

12:06 schestowitz-TR; maybe it has worsened since then

12:06 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I won't work with liars

12:06 schestowitz-TR; I have my boundaries

12:12 schestowitz-TR; so netflix did report losses

12:13 schestowitz-TR; unless things change (headcount etc.)

12:13 schestowitz-TR; the longer it runs, the more money it loses

12:13 schestowitz-TR; probably same w/ gulagtube

12:13 schestowitz-TR; hemce endless ads

12:13 schestowitz-TR; but those ads lower the userbase, over time

12:13 schestowitz-TR; so it may be mission impossible to swing into profit

12:13 schestowitz-TR; twitter drove away many users to only temporarily make a few quarters' profit

12:19 techrightssec2; Yes, the 90% figure was what I recall, so if you add that to the 2006 and 2019

12:19 techrightssec2; data the trajectory is really clear. It seems that 'getting ahead' has been

12:19 techrightssec2; redefined to getting over on peope and that's the opposite of cooparation so

12:19 techrightssec2; the very fabric of society has turned against FOSS. So it's even lesss a

12:19 techrightssec2; technical question than before and m$ entering politics and the various

12:19 techrightssec2; three-letter agencies and their foreign counterparts see that it stays that way.

12:37 schestowitz-TR; Fusion. Really? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/fusion-really/ | Source: Counter Punch

↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/fusion-really/

12:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Fusion. Really? - CounterPunch.org

12:38 techrightssec2; They only look a few months ahead at most so even if they are eating the seed

12:38 techrightssec2; corn all they see is the feast at the moment. :(

12:38 techrightssec2; Netflix and the other streaming sites don't quite have the same problem as

12:38 techrightssec2; YouTube but it is similar. Theirs is more a bandwidth bottleneck since their

12:38 techrightssec2; repetoire of films is much smaller so it is a matter of shipping hard drives

12:38 techrightssec2; or even whole servers around the country pre-loaded with hi-res film files.

12:38 techrightssec2; Those sit at key junctions on the network to reduce the number of hops between

12:38 techrightssec2; the customer and the video being streamed.

12:43 schestowitz-TR; Fusion. Really? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/fusion-really/ | Source: Counter Punch

↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/fusion-really/

12:43 techrightssec2; "Thus there would be four regrettable problems ..."

12:43 techrightssec2; Nothing is perfect but it would be a great advantage, regardless of the method

12:43 techrightssec2; of production, to have room temperature superconductors.

12:46 techrightssec2; That way the

12:46 techrightssec2; production could be vastly distant from the usage. Wind and sun are available

12:46 techrightssec2; somewhere all the time but not everywhere all the time.

12:49 schestowitz-TR; there are problems other than this (sorry to interject pessimistically)

12:49 schestowitz-TR; because we cannot east electricity or sun

12:49 schestowitz-TR; (though sun can feed plants)

12:49 schestowitz-TR; humans also produce a lot of wate

12:49 schestowitz-TR; and then there is water management and conflict

12:49 schestowitz-TR; overpopulation goes beyond climate change or cost of power

12:49 schestowitz-TR; maybe soon they'll make models for terraforming the poles to grow food

12:49 schestowitz-TR; human would reacr by doubling, again

12:49 schestowitz-TR; /s/wate/waste/

12:50 techrightssec2; https://yingtongli.me/blog/2022/12/16/drm-q4.html !!!

↺ https://yingtongli.me/blog/2022/12/16/drm-q4.html

12:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yingtongli.me | DRM Round-up: IDAD 2022

12:55 schestowitz-TR; if you call them "books", then they should be booked

12:55 schestowitz-TR; not compressed or even encrypted binary coredumps

12:55 schestowitz-TR; databases with articles are even better than today's 'e' 'books'


1 PM, December 16

13:00 techrightssec2; ack

13:02 schestowitz-TR; "i told my son to bring me a desk; he gave me an e-desk with a spyphone"

13:02 schestowitz-TR; "I said, wtf? I need to do actual work!"

13:02 schestowitz-TR; a tansition from analogue to digital can only be properly justified if the leap resulted in better value

13:02 schestowitz-TR; to the user and no erosion of rights

13:02 schestowitz-TR; the EU (competition) has just said something to the latter's effect

13:02 schestowitz-TR; which I liked

13:02 schestowitz-TR; reminded me of richard from PP Sweden

13:02 schestowitz-TR; RMS spoke about this too, but I think a lot later

13:02 schestowitz-TR; meanwhile I still listen to music I've carried forward since the 1990s

13:15 techrightssec2; Falkvinge seemed to have gotten canceled or something. Some of his colleagues

13:15 techrightssec2; also had trouble but theirs was directly with the government over stuff they

13:15 techrightssec2; said or wrote.

13:29 schestowitz-TR; Qatar https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/eu-qatar-corruption/ | Source: Counter Punch

↺ https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/12/16/eu-qatar-corruption/

13:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EU Qatar Corruption - CounterPunch.org


2 PM, December 16

14:17 techrightssec2; I wonder if there is a similiar scandal lurking under the radar at NASA

14:17 techrightssec2; regarding teh UAE

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14:59 schestowitz-TR; through football diplomacy they exercise a lotm of political control over here in manchester

14:59 schestowitz-TR; by means of giving money to buy nmany international strs

14:59 schestowitz-TR; qatar does this in france through PSG


3 PM, December 16

15:02 techrightssec2; ack

15:17 schestowitz-TR; qatar whistleblower https://www.democracynow.org/2022/12/15/abdullah_ibhais_qatar_world_cup_whistleblower | Source: Democracy Now

↺ https://www.democracynow.org/2022/12/15/abdullah_ibhais_qatar_world_cup_whistleblower

15:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.democracynow.org | Why Has Qatar Jailed a World Cup Whistleblower? The Brother of Abdullah Ibhais Speaks Out | Democracy Now!

15:20 schestowitz-TR; qatar https://truthout.org/video/brother-of-world-cup-whistleblower-imprisoned-in-qatar-speaks-out/ | Source: TruthOut

↺ https://truthout.org/video/brother-of-world-cup-whistleblower-imprisoned-in-qatar-speaks-out/

15:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Brother of World Cup Whistleblower Imprisoned in Qatar Speaks Out - Truthout

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15:44 techrightssec2; ack


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16:47 techrightssec2; Not just backdoors, but also 'bugdoors' -- bugs that are repaired slowly while

16:47 techrightssec2; giving various paying agencies a headsup about how to use them to get in.


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