IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 16, 2022

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06:17 Techrights-sec2; gm

06:17 Techrights-sec2; there are still some permission problems, perhaps access should be to only

06:17 Techrights-sec2; the new IP address?

06:17 Techrights-sec2; http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166522:

06:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166522 )

06:17 Techrights-sec2; 2022-08-16 05:10:10 ERROR 403: Forbidden.

06:17 Techrights-sec2; 404 would be the error for deleted nodes I would think

06:17 Techrights-sec2; 403 is an access control list problem

06:17 Techrights-sec2; The IRC logs from yesterday are not in IPFS :

06:18 Techrights-sec2; Checking remote server for IPFS logs.

06:18 Techrights-sec2; cat: /home/links/ipfs/220815.html: No such file or directory

06:18 schestowitz-TR; I am trying to finalise the weget thing atm

06:18 schestowitz-TR; about 4 nodes in the range should return this error because they were delete as dupes or similar

06:18 schestowitz-TR; oh, mea lupa

06:18 schestowitz-TR; short story, the server has an hour off

06:18 schestowitz-TR; so I set it to the wrong time

06:18 schestowitz-TR; running manually now

06:18 schestowitz-TR; *culpa

06:18 schestowitz-TR; re 404/403, I did not dleete but unpublished

06:18 schestowitz-TR; so it's just hiden basically

06:18 schestowitz-TR; *hidden

06:24 schestowitz-TR; ok try again now

06:24 schestowitz-TR; I delayed the testing or the cron job until tomorrow because the time was not set correwctly

06:24 schestowitz-TR; somehow I forgot I'd need to at least run it manually today

06:25 Techrights-sec2; thanks!

06:25 Techrights-sec2; tr-new seems to be at the right time

06:26 schestowitz-TR; date says 5:25

06:26 schestowitz-TR; but it is 6:25 here

06:26 schestowitz-TR; utc/bst

06:27 schestowitz-TR; we have 'leap hour' (bsd) here

06:27 schestowitz-TR; *bst

06:27 schestowitz-TR; *dst

06:27 schestowitz-TR; brtish 'summer' time

06:27 Techrights-sec2; it seems to have trhe right date and time:

06:27 Techrights-sec2; $ date -u; date

06:27 Techrights-sec2; Tue Aug 16 05:26:29 UTC 2022

06:27 Techrights-sec2; oh :/

06:27 Techrights-sec2; ok

06:28 schestowitz-TR; this might mean I'd need to change the cron jobs absed on the season LOL

06:30 schestowitz-TR; bbl

06:31 schestowitz-TR; (btw, I use the -k option, you ewere right, I checked online, but for some links like images it still uses relative paths, so I am passing some files from

06:31 schestowitz-TR; old to newsd

06:31 schestowitz-TR; *new)

06:31 schestowitz-TR; bbl

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08:08 Techrights-sec2; ok

08:08 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:08 Techrights-sec2; re-running the wget script, it's now pulling in additional nodes which were

08:08 Techrights-sec2; missed before

08:11 schestowitz-TR; I am running the same script also atm, with roy in the filename

08:11 Techrights-sec2; should I stop the script?

08:11 Techrights-sec2; * the one I started ?

08:11 Techrights-sec2; should I stop the script?

08:11 Techrights-sec2; * the one I started ?

08:17 schestowitz-TR; aaaaahhh, now it makes sense

08:17 schestowitz-TR; I was trying to retrieve objects over http

08:17 schestowitz-TR; in a https request

08:17 schestowitz; see http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166938 http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166939 http://news.tuxmachines.org/old/node/166940 ...

08:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.

08:19 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:21 Techrights-sec2; should only https be used to retrieve the TM nodes? wget no longer works

08:21 Techrights-sec2; with self-vouched-for certificates

08:25 schestowitz-TR; the downloads as they are now seem to work OK

08:25 schestowitz-TR; I'll do a second run later

08:25 schestowitz-TR; and then check the log

08:25 schestowitz-TR; after that redirect those requests

08:29 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:31 schestowitz-TR; unrelated: on the pi, if ipfs is running, full backup can take about 2 hours

08:31 schestowitz-TR; it takes 40 mins if it's not running

08:31 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the very fine wget script, it'll come in handy later as well

08:31 schestowitz-TR; btw, I've edited the irc post as it had the template stuff left over in tact :-)

08:31 schestowitz-TR; I caught it fast enough

08:31 Techrights-sec2; np

08:31 Techrights-sec2; thanks

08:41 schestowitz-TR; there is currenty a mix of files (numbered 16xxxx) from old version and new version

08:41 schestowitz-TR; I'll clear them now and rerun the script

08:41 schestowitz-TR; then do a second pass

08:41 schestowitz-TR; to avoid old and new versions getting mixed up

08:58 schestowitz-TR; the dir "old" is now "old-old"

08:58 schestowitz-TR; I will start a fresh copy to keep is more compact and not a mix of test runs

08:58 Techrights-sec2; ack

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09:36 schestowitz; x https://www.muylinux.com/2022/08/12/google-microsoft-open-source/

09:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.muylinux.com | Google supera a Microsoft como "nmero uno" del Open Source

09:37 schestowitz; x https://www.computerworld.com/article/3670077/nvidia-avatars-could-replace-human-speakers.html

09:37 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Nvidia: Avatars could replace human speakers | Computerworld

09:37 schestowitz; # enderle

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10:25 schestowitz-TR; so far so mgood

10:28 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> College Ranking System https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/breaking-ranks-college-colin-diver/ | Source: The Nation

10:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.thenation.com | The Broken College Ranking System | The Nation

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11:21 schestowitz-TR; windows share continues to slide, but don't want to repeat that again, will focus on restoring the old drupal nodes we lost in june

11:21 schestowitz-TR; no bugs noticed in the new CMS, will add some nodes along with rianne soon

11:21 schestowitz-TR; last night she said she added two nodes and did not immediately see them, but when I checked they were fine right there, along with one from marius

11:21 schestowitz-TR; gemini capsule shows as a day-long "sticky" the updated nodes

11:21 schestowitz-TR; those tend to be the "BIG STORIES"... ones that have a lot of coverage and hence many followups

11:21 schestowitz-TR; so this is a big improvement

11:21 schestowitz-TR; as long as the media carries on meanining them, they'll stay near the top

11:21 schestowitz-TR; reducing the chanve that readers lose sight of them

11:21 schestowitz-TR; rianna dn I struggle to finish the food fast enough, but nothing is spoiling, except us

11:21 schestowitz-TR; *rianne and I

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12:32 Techrights-sec2; ack

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13:41 schestowitz-TR; would you say new TM backup regime goes like, gzip /var/www and /home/gemini

13:41 schestowitz-TR; while the DB is put in read-only mode?

13:41 schestowitz-TR; gemini homedir 15mb

13:41 schestowitz-TR; I tag.gz old-old and will put that away

13:41 schestowitz-TR; then /var/www will be about 700MB

13:41 schestowitz-TR; many are files and images imported from old

13:41 schestowitz-TR; old-old is not a compressed file in /home/roy/

13:41 schestowitz-TR; /var/home is 624mb

13:41 schestowitz-TR; /var/www I mean

13:41 Techrights-sec2; yes that protocol would do the job; though if no one is actively editing

13:41 Techrights-sec2; the database it can be copied as-is

13:41 Techrights-sec2; though the source would be /var/www/tuxmachines.org/ not /var/www/

13:41 Techrights-sec2; for the Web part and /home/gemini/gemini/ for the Gemini part

13:44 schestowitz-TR; by the evening we ought to have all nodes accessible again

13:44 schestowitz-TR; inc. the ones we lost in the DB incidents of June+July

13:44 schestowitz-TR; as you noted, reaching old nodes is very hard

13:45 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:49 Techrights-sec2; oops, belay that, around but in and out for a while

13:49 Techrights-sec2; how many of the nodes harvested via wget are orphans?

13:50 schestowitz-TR; I'd say the opposite -- the ones we get to are not orphans

13:50 schestowitz-TR; all pages are reachable

13:50 schestowitz-TR; but some barely

13:50 schestowitz-TR; wordpress has the same issue

13:50 schestowitz-TR; there are no comprehensive index pages

13:51 Techrights-sec2; they were only accessible by referencing the URL explicitly; several attempts

13:51 Techrights-sec2; at spidering did not find them;

13:52 schestowitz-TR; there are monthly archives, links from social control media and irc logs etc.

13:52 schestowitz-TR; but those are not good enough

13:52 schestowitz-TR; maybe we can tidy things up to that effect

13:58 schestowitz-TR; apropos, in gemini we will have similar challenge of nevigation to all pages

13:58 schestowitz-TR; for techrights we have long pages for monthly archives

13:58 schestowitz-TR; for tuxmachines we have linear navigation only

13:58 schestowitz-TR; it will make it very hard for crawling

13:58 schestowitz-TR; we got almost 3000 requests there

13:58 schestowitz-TR; but reaching something posted today one year from now means leaping between thousands of pages, even tens of thousands

13:58 schestowitz-TR; given the directory structure, the issue is very easily resollvable, even much later

13:58 schestowitz-TR; e.g. for each $month find | grep .gmi | sed => something

14:03 schestowitz-TR; mind if I prottype something in bash?

14:03 schestowitz-TR; like ~/gemini/archives/index.gmi

14:03 schestowitz-TR; or, I am guessing, given URL similarity to HTTP/S

14:03 schestowitz-TR; this is something that can (should?) be done for both in one fell swoop, would be more efficient too

14:03 schestowitz-TR; one pass instead of two

14:03 schestowitz-TR; and similar to what we have in TR

14:27 Techrights-sec2; no problem, but isn't there already a script for that?

14:27 Techrights-sec2; /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/tm-generate-gemtext-index.sh

14:29 schestowitz-TR; does this take month/year as optional argument to make an index for past months/weeks/days?

14:42 schestowitz-TR; just spent some time trying to figrue out a bug in my scripts that boils down to "weird" chars that I use

14:42 schestowitz-TR; grep and sed can be confused by these

14:42 schestowitz-TR; in pattern matching

14:42 schestowitz-TR; I had that issue also years ago

14:42 schestowitz-TR; the latest neon copes better with such chars

14:42 schestowitz-TR; one very nice thing now is, when i "UPDATE" a page it'll show up again as "new" as updated

14:42 schestowitz-TR; so I can popts a link again, labelled suitably

14:42 schestowitz-TR; I told youi rianne experienced something weird last night

14:42 schestowitz-TR; but turns out she just misunderstood

14:42 schestowitz-TR; she didn not see the pages she had added... at top of the list, but they were there below the newly-updates ones

14:42 schestowitz-TR; (those tends to be more important stories with more prominent coverage)

14:43 Techrights-sec2; it merely includes the existing feed-based list which should have been

14:43 Techrights-sec2; made as part of the add-and-refresh or update-and-refresh scripts

14:43 Techrights-sec2; yes that's what all the trouble with timestamps enables, among other things now

14:43 Techrights-sec2; which part?

14:43 Techrights-sec2; I should make the process smoother

14:43 Techrights-sec2; Oh, that can be fixed too. But if the updated ones should have a higher

14:43 Techrights-sec2; priority, we can leave it as it is.

14:50 Techrights-sec2; checking

14:50 Techrights-sec2; it looks like that step has been skipped,

14:50 schestowitz-TR; it's best as it is

14:50 schestowitz-TR; rianne just had another expectation

14:50 schestowitz-TR; so she didn't see what she had added

14:50 schestowitz-TR; re ~/gemini/archives/index.gmi

14:50 schestowitz-TR; I think /var/www/tuxmachines.org/bin/tm-generate-gemtext-index.sh

14:50 schestowitz-TR; already does something similar but for a different range criterion

14:50 schestowitz-TR; not

14:50 schestowitz-TR; tm-generate-gemtext-archive.pl/sh

14:50 schestowitz-TR; that takes year and month as argument

14:50 schestowitz-TR; and then gives a list

14:50 schestowitz-TR; which would then be possible to use as api in year/month loop

14:50 schestowitz-TR; to make an archives page

14:50 schestowitz-TR; at the very least for crawlers

14:50 schestowitz-TR; this is something drupal lacks/lacked also

14:50 schestowitz-TR; there is a page with archives for each month since start of site

14:50 schestowitz-TR; but it is not easily accessible

14:50 schestowitz-TR; and even when it is, you have to go next, next, next in pagination

14:50 schestowitz-TR; as a month can have 1000+ posts in it

14:51 Techrights-sec2; so an index by month and an index by day are needed for Gemini?

14:53 schestowitz-TR; given the volume of posts and spiders frowning upon pages with "too many" links in them, maybe 3-level filing (year->month->day) would be best

14:53 schestowitz-TR; like the IRC archives and bulletins in TR gemini capsule

14:54 Techrights-sec2; or by week and day only?

14:54 Techrights-sec2; Grouping TM posts by week would still cause very long lists

14:54 Techrights-sec2; The list per month would be unusably long and perhaps penalized in SEO eventually

14:56 schestowitz-TR; I forgot Google's link thereshold and when I last knew it was likely outdated info for now

14:56 schestowitz-TR; tbh, I think building sites for search engines might be OK just for people who tailor specific search pharases to make sales

14:56 schestowitz-TR; loyal, returning visitors are far more important

14:56 schestowitz-TR; we don't do categories in tuxmachines anymore, it speeds up info entry

14:56 schestowitz-TR; so in-site search and dates are the way to go

14:56 schestowitz-TR; some try to assess similarity/proximity to other pages

14:56 schestowitz-TR; and then add them around each page

14:57 schestowitz-TR; fuzzy search

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14:59 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Canonical is working for Microsoft and Microsoft didn't even buy Canonical! https://ubuntu.com//blog/install-dotnet-on-ubuntu

14:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft and Canonical announce native .NET availability in Ubuntu 22.04 hosts and containers | Ubuntu

15:08 Techrights-sec2; infiltrated through toxic staffing

15:09 schestowitz-TR; like raspi, you might be banned for "microsoft bashing" if you point it out to them

15:09 schestowitz-TR; crime syndicates <3 CoC. it makes opposition to crime "hate speech".

15:09 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Canonical should submit antitrust complaints over Microsoft blocking Linux, not work with the abuser

15:10 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> James Zemlin and Sheela Microsoft = Big Oil of software http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/

15:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights

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15:18 Techrights-sec2; ack

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15:25 schestowitz-TR; worth doing video about? (I've prioritised site maintenance lately)

15:25 schestowitz-TR; tbh, the topis are very scarce this month

15:25 schestowitz-TR; ok, I'll do a video

15:25 schestowitz-TR; it'll take another 2 hours to download all the pages anyway

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15:25 Techrights-sec2; it's a good topic IMHO

15:25 Techrights-sec2; ack

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16:07 schestowitz-TR; [15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> Barlow died around that time

16:07 schestowitz-TR; [15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> last year they kicked out the other co-founde

16:07 schestowitz-TR; [15:58] <schestowitz[TR2]> EFF: same name, not the same people at the wheel

16:07 Techrights-sec2; ack

16:14 schestowitz-TR; draft

16:14 Techrights-sec2; ack

16:14 Techrights-sec2; "Moving to Ubuntu" might be "Moving from Ubuntu" instead

16:14 Techrights-sec2; see also https://9to5linux.com/peppermint-os-now-offers-devuan-based-isos-for-software-freedom-lovers

16:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Peppermint OS Now Offers Devuan-Based ISOs for Software Freedom Lovers - 9to5Linux

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16:34 schestowitz-TR; twitter is dying

16:34 schestowitz-TR; but it's not news

16:34 schestowitz-TR; so nothing too "surprising" to present

16:34 schestowitz-TR; it quit sending me spam notifications

16:34 schestowitz-TR; like fake ones to give the false impression I have interactions

16:34 schestowitz-TR; daily impression halved since pre-Musk

16:34 schestowitz-TR; it's the next indenti.ca with pump.io

16:34 schestowitz-TR; made it irrelevant very fast

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17:33 schestowitz-TR; gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/16/ODF_standard_and_the_code_EasyHack.gmie_code_EasyHack.gmi

17:33 schestowitz-TR; when running git pull

17:33 schestowitz-TR; I've been getting quite a few timeouts this past hour

17:33 schestowitz-TR; both TM and TR

17:33 schestowitz-TR; but cannot see an issue upstream

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18:09 schestowitz-TR; wow, rianne saved almost 50 quid with today's grocery shopping

18:09 schestowitz-TR; now downloading 168,000+

18:09 schestowitz-TR; I have a list of about 10 steps after that

18:09 schestowitz-TR; just trying to clear all rss feeds prior to these tasks

18:09 schestowitz-TR; apachetop says tm-old still does 10.5 hits/sec in the past 3 hours

18:09 schestowitz-TR; I want to see what happens when we redirect those 1800 or so newer pages

18:09 schestowitz-TR; and esp. see what pages are still in demand

18:13 Techrights-sec2; yes, the response is almost instant

18:13 Techrights-sec2; yes, less clutter

18:13 schestowitz-TR; the pages load very fast now, as they're static (the ones downloaded)

18:13 schestowitz-TR; and along the top right it has a mention of the new address for latest news, under "Latest News"

18:13 schestowitz-TR; The new site format is a lot better, never mind performance aspects

18:13 schestowitz-TR; the old one was far too noisy and people kept complaining either about no https (TR has that now) or

18:13 schestowitz-TR; the page reuqiring very wide screen due to the sidebars on both sides

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19:11 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Poul-Henning Kamp: Surveillance Too Cheap to Meter https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2022/7/262077-surveillance-too-cheap-to-meter/fulltext

19:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cacm.acm.org | Surveillance Too Cheap to Meter | July 2022 | Communications of the ACM

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19:33 Techrights-sec2; ack

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20:31 schestowitz-TR; I have a dumb question

20:31 schestowitz-TR; on /home/roy I have my wget log

20:31 schestowitz-TR; I checked file sizes for all files of interest

20:31 schestowitz-TR; it's all done

20:31 schestowitz-TR; I want to get the list of 403 or similar

20:31 schestowitz-TR; for sanity check

21:02 Techrights-sec2; checking

21:02 Techrights-sec2; that data is not in the table

21:02 Techrights-sec2; however, 'blacklist' might be the same

21:02 Techrights-sec2; but a few spot checks comparing that to another log indicate that is not the

21:02 Techrights-sec2; case

21:04 schestowitz-TR; thanks, that's enough sanity for now :-)

21:04 schestowitz-TR; it's not even original "content"

21:04 schestowitz-TR; I've not set this up to redict ALL these nodes to the new site's mirror

21:04 schestowitz-TR; no matter what is in the url as long as node/NUMBER precedes it for this range

21:04 schestowitz-TR; doing more testing now

21:04 Techrights-sec2; try /home/tuxmachines/wget.log

21:04 Techrights-sec2; the rewrite engine in Apach2 can do patterns and pattern-based substitutions

21:09 schestowitz-TR; testing today\''s local and remote DB backup

21:09 schestowitz-TR; we can soon turn off these backups, as only cache tables will change

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