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beginning of new day, July 16

00:43 schestowitz-TR; Online Negativity Is A Form of Virus gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1077 well, the world ain't perfect, right? The oligarchs's publishers like to pretend new jobs are everywhere and oligarchs are heroes

↺ gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1077

00:43 schestowitz-TR; "Reddit, I'm convinced, is one of the worst websites ever created" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1077

↺ gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1077

00:44 schestowitz-TR; very read-worthy rant there about Reddit

00:44 schestowitz-TR; I hope it'll die soon


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09:22 Techrights-sec; I see the regex in the mockup is mangling apostrophes. looking...

09:22 Techrights-sec; Not sure, can't duplicate it even when pasting from the original TM post

09:22 Techrights-sec; Found some other stuff though.

09:22 Techrights-sec; .

09:22 schestowitz-TR; ota

09:23 schestowitz-TR; rianne is now connected to the machine using my username and via my machine as a brdfidge

09:23 schestowitz-TR; shell shall be

09:23 schestowitz-TR; she shall be testing later for any feed bakc on the workflow

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09:34 Techrights-sec; thanks!

09:39 Techrights-sec; ssh -J

09:39 Techrights-sec; ?

09:39 Techrights-sec; The ProxyJump option is very useful

09:40 schestowitz-TR; no, we use -J at work to replay keys

09:40 schestowitz-TR; for this one I could just do 2 hops manually

09:40 schestowitz-TR; as she is using my keys

09:40 schestowitz-TR; *relay

09:41 schestowitz-TR; ssh -At can also be usedful

09:41 schestowitz-TR; for the agent to pass on the key

09:41 schestowitz-TR; but I'm not sure if it's the same or beign deprecated or...

09:41 schestowitz-TR; I stoped watching buf reports of openssh over RSS feeds ;-)

09:41 schestowitz-TR; *bug

09:42 Techrights-sec; -A has more or less been deprecated by -J though, there are big risks with -A

09:42 Techrights-sec; when passing through untrusted machines. That's not the case here but in

09:42 Techrights-sec; general -J is the way to go. If you do have to ever do agent forwarding through

09:42 Techrights-sec; an somewhat untrusted machine, then it is possible to fire up a one-off agent

09:43 Techrights-sec; just for that one key so that all your other keys don't get sucked along into

09:43 Techrights-sec; the questionable system.

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10 AM, July 16

10:00 schestowitz;

10:00 schestowitz; > , youd also probably advise against it. This is because we

10:00 schestowitz; I am tempted to use this for a publication, but need your permission.

10:03 schestowitz; Re: legal eagles

10:03 schestowitz; > Countdown... the WIPO panel is supposed to deliver a verdict before 19 July.

10:03 schestowitz; >

10:03 schestowitz; > During my year at NUS, Varghese was president. He is Melbourne

10:03 schestowitz; > Uni alumnus like Assange

10:03 schestowitz; >

10:03 schestowitz; > I ran against Varghese and Eckersley in the student elections. Varghese

10:03 schestowitz; > only beat me with a handful of preferences from Eckersley.

10:03 schestowitz; >

10:03 schestowitz; > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Blackburn_(law_firm)

↺ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Blackburn_(law_firm)

10:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Maurice Blackburn (law firm) - Wikipedia

10:04 schestowitz; >

10:04 schestowitz; > Last time I saw Eckersley was DebConf16 in Heidelberg.

10:04 schestowitz; >

10:04 schestowitz; > Another Melbourne alumnus is in the news... what do you make of this, an

10:04 schestowitz; > Australian has been appointed Professor of Computer Science at Oxford.

10:04 schestowitz; > Phil founded the NLP group at DeepMind.

10:04 schestowitz; >

10:04 schestowitz; > https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/news/2012-full.html

↺ https://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/news/2012-full.html

10:04 schestowitz; I thought Varghese used to cover sports or something.

10:04 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cs.ox.ac.uk | Two new Professors of Computer Science

10:04 schestowitz; Same person?

10:15 schestowitz; <li>

10:15 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/14/1055894/us-military-sofware-linux-kernel-open-source/">The US military wants to understand the most important software on Earth</a></h5>

↺ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/14/1055894/us-military-sofware-linux-kernel-open-source/">The

10:15 schestowitz; <blockquote>

10:15 schestowitz; <p>People are realizing now: wait a minute, literally everything we do is underpinned by Linux, says Dave Aitel, a cybersecurity researcher and former NSA computer security scientist. This is a core technology to our society. Not understanding kernel security means we cant secure critical infrastructure.</p>

10:15 schestowitz; <p>Now DARPA, the US militarys research arm, wants to understand the collision of code and community that makes these open-source projects work, in order to better understand the risks they face. The goal is to be able to effectively recognize malicious actors and prevent them from disrupting or corrupting crucially important open-source code before its too late.</p>

10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The US military wants to understand the most important software on Earth | MIT Technology Review

10:15 schestowitz; <p>DARPAs SocialCyber program is an 18-month-long, multimillion-dollar project that will combine sociology with recent technological advances in artificial intelligence to map, understand, and protect these massive open-source communities and the code they create. Its different from most previous research because it combines automated analysis of both the code and the social dimensions of open-

10:15 schestowitz; source software.</p>

10:15 schestowitz; </blockquote>

10:15 schestowitz; </li>


11 AM, July 16

11:11 schestowitz; <li>

11:12 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://www.tecmint.com/iptraf-ng-linux-network-monitoring/">IPTraf-ng A Console-Based Network Monitoring Tool</a></h5>

↺ https://www.tecmint.com/iptraf-ng-linux-network-monitoring/">IPTraf-ng

11:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tecmint.com | IPTraf-ng - A Network Monitoring Tool for Linux

11:12 schestowitz; <blockquote>

11:12 schestowitz; <p>IPTraf-ng is a console-based Linux network statistics monitoring program that shows information about IP traffic, which includes information such as:</p>

11:12 schestowitz; <p>The IPTraf-ng utility can be used to find out the type of traffic on your network, and what kind of service is the most heavily used on what systems, among others.</p>

11:12 schestowitz; </blockquote>

11:12 schestowitz; </li>

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11:30 Techrights-sec; timeout when connecting to gemini.techrights.org ...

11:30 Techrights-sec; either via gemini:// or ssh://

11:31 schestowitz-TR; works ok from my end

11:31 schestowitz-TR; will check from your home network over ssh tunnel

11:32 schestowitz-TR; I can reach the gemini https proxy from your home network

11:32 schestowitz-TR; if there is a downtime I get red warnings here

11:52 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/joneidj2/status/1548078360978329602#m

↺ https://nitter.it/joneidj2/status/1548078360978329602#m

11:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- 2 (@joneidj2): "/ : . . https://bit.ly

↺ https://bit.ly


noon, July 16

12:01 Techrights-sec; ok seems to work now, but not a few minutes ago

12:01 Techrights-sec; puzzling

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12:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe ISP or somwwhere in bwteeen

12:07 schestowitz-TR; maybe outsourced to for-profit companies that aren't even cable companies

12:07 schestowitz-TR; these days many underwater cables are laid out by or for surveillance companies

12:07 schestowitz-TR; from some country I cannot remember... but I think it's 31 trillion in debt

12:07 schestowitz-TR; trying to drink the ocean with everything in it

12:07 schestowitz-TR; my ad just told me indian had surpassed china's population size

12:07 schestowitz-TR; based on some estimate or census

12:07 schestowitz-TR; and yet we hear of "chinese" minorities

12:08 schestowitz-TR; "indian" minorities

12:08 schestowitz-TR; and "muslim" (not race or nation)

12:08 schestowitz-TR; minority

12:08 schestowitz-TR; Muslim+Chinese+Indian (little overlap, except in India) must be the majority of the world's population

12:08 schestowitz-TR; at around 4.5 billion and rising

12:08 schestowitz-TR; EU is about 300+ million

12:08 schestowitz-TR; US 330+so-called "illegals"

12:08 schestowitz-TR; I never heard tech companies calling for diversity in chinese or indian companies

12:08 schestowitz-TR; where very few managers are "white"

12:08 schestowitz-TR; but the scenario is similar for mulslim-majority countries where x-0ians are persecuted

12:08 schestowitz-TR; and sometimes prosecuted, lynched, stones

12:08 schestowitz-TR; *dtoned

12:08 schestowitz-TR; *stoned

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12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: no, i stand by the classification of sweden and norway due to demographic

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: trendds

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: thailand is also having trouble with "insurgents" and thus, I presume, also

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: squatters

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr; I left the US off the list on purpose

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: yazidi and sikhism were also found in the middle east.

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: at this point chaldeans exist only outside the middle east, too, like

12:30 Techrights-sec; otr: many of the yazidis

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14:03 schestowitz-TR; Micrsooft is an ongoing diaspora

14:03 schestowitz-TR; the company used to hire loads of people

14:03 schestowitz-TR; I had spoken to my dad for a long time, then slept

14:03 schestowitz-TR; until now

14:03 schestowitz-TR; catching up

14:03 schestowitz-TR; one point wqe agree on is speculation in trhe economy (so-called)

14:03 schestowitz-TR; the gist of it is,

14:03 schestowitz-TR; there's brainwash for people to "invest in the market"

14:03 schestowitz-TR; when he was young it was unthinkable

14:03 schestowitz-TR; now everyone ties savings to the infantile delusion some companies are worth trillions

14:03 schestowitz-TR; and they use this fake valuation pattern

14:03 schestowitz-TR; to use the SAVERS' money

14:04 schestowitz-TR; (in effect gambling budget)

14:04 schestowitz-TR; to buy other companies

14:04 schestowitz-TR; and pretend to be worth more

14:04 schestowitz-TR; corporate imperialism of sorts

14:04 schestowitz-TR; madofff sceme

14:04 schestowitz-TR; microsoft: we are worth trillions, invest in us, we'll pay you back more

14:04 schestowitz-TR; then the company ios just some ticker/symbol

14:04 schestowitz-TR; for people to speculate with/on

14:04 schestowitz-TR; and they go on a rampage

14:04 schestowitz-TR; like buying github and game studios

14:05 Techrights-sec; ack

14:05 Techrights-sec; M$ hires loads of student researchers, effectively for marketing from the

14:05 Techrights-sec; ground up to poison the computing environments at major univerisities

14:05 Techrights-sec; World-wide, the world's major universities had *far more* functionality

14:05 Techrights-sec; than is available now. Nothing has replaced the combination of

14:05 Techrights-sec; LDAP, Kerberos, AFS, and e-mail. Most universities no longer even have e-mail

14:05 Techrights-sec; having 1) only a "webmail" interface to 2) either Google or M$

14:05 Techrights-sec; Mojang was one of M$ more destructive purchases. Minecraft was a vehicle for

14:05 Techrights-sec; introducing a whole generation to GNU/Linux and IMO the purchase was made

14:05 Techrights-sec; to put an end to that.

14:05 Techrights-sec; s/functionality/functionality back in the 1990s/

14:06 schestowitz-TR; our company used to eb like that

14:06 schestowitz-TR; be clown this, clown that

14:06 schestowitz-TR; I open my mouth a lot more these days

14:06 schestowitz-TR; because I want to get out

14:06 schestowitz-TR; by the end of the year

14:07 Techrights-sec; ack

14:07 Techrights-sec; though really it would be best in the big picture for the company to shape up

14:07 Techrights-sec; and ditch the clown computing and some of the clowns which pushed for it

14:10 schestowitz-TR; "the threesome"

14:10 schestowitz-TR; remember

14:10 schestowitz-TR; theLiar does not understand computing

14:10 schestowitz-TR; so it has become a vertical issue

14:10 schestowitz-TR; where the wrong people are listened to

14:10 schestowitz-TR; usually in the (fake) name of "savings"

14:11 schestowitz-TR; the AWS bill climbed to about $1000 a month

14:11 schestowitz-TR; for just a few instances

14:11 schestowitz-TR; we used to have a whole rack with machines on it

14:11 schestowitz-TR; every xmas instead of giving the staff a little bonus they give amazon voucher

14:11 schestowitz-TR; of course I never used mine

14:11 schestowitz-TR; but they basically think this is ethical

14:11 schestowitz-TR; maybe there is some kickback-like deal associated with that

14:11 schestowitz-TR; I don't follow how these "gift" cards work and why simply giving cash is not a thing

14:12 Techrights-sec; yes and the bullshitters generally are not measured by accomplishment of any

14:12 Techrights-sec; tasks and thus spend the day lobbying and schmoozing

14:12 Techrights-sec; For that money you really could buy and operate a full rack of reasonable

14:12 Techrights-sec; hardware.

14:12 Techrights-sec; :(

14:12 Techrights-sec; barf

14:12 Techrights-sec; AFAIK I have never purchase from Amazon

14:12 Techrights-sec; I plan to keep it that way

14:15 schestowitz-TR; "barf" indeed

14:15 schestowitz-TR; it's like they make it complusory for you to choose bad v endors

14:15 schestowitz-TR; and basically tell you HOW or WHERE to spend "your" moneyh

14:15 schestowitz-TR; imagine salaries giving in this form

14:15 schestowitz-TR; about 8 or 9 years ago they "rewarded" me for good work by sending me a "gift"

14:15 schestowitz-TR; card for "ASDA"

14:15 schestowitz-TR; it was already Waltons-owned, I call it Walmart UK

14:15 schestowitz-TR; it can be used to purchase food

14:15 schestowitz-TR; but the logistics of sending that card from london area wwere tiring to mer

14:15 schestowitz-TR; very time-consuming

14:15 schestowitz-TR; they could instead just top up my bank account

14:15 schestowitz-TR; but this idiocy of sending bits of plastic as "voucher" and paying for stampings, doing manual work etc.

14:15 schestowitz-TR; just show you the defective thinking/mindset

14:16 Techrights-sec; yes a cash bonus would have less stigma

14:16 Techrights-sec; it's attaching strings to the money

14:16 Techrights-sec; "eat a bug and say you don't like it" for us

14:23 schestowitz-TR; on the issue of econoym based on gambling with savers' money (never mind putting people in debt, i.e. creating "demand" based on borrowings from a dire future)

14:23 schestowitz-TR; some years ago I was bothered on the phone by this speculator the bank tried to hook us up with

14:23 schestowitz-TR; to "invest" our money

14:24 schestowitz-TR; we got him off our back at the end

14:24 schestowitz-TR; my dad says they keep bothering him

14:24 schestowitz-TR; becauase he does not "invest' the money

14:24 schestowitz-TR; we agree our whole economy is now based on people throwing everything into the hat

14:24 schestowitz-TR; so they can double- or -treble-gamble

14:24 schestowitz-TR; like, we have X money

14:24 schestowitz-TR; let's lend out x10 the money we "have"

14:24 schestowitz-TR; "have" = some people gave us trheir money to "invest"

14:24 schestowitz-TR; and that sums up why this is a shit economy that already exploded badly in 2008 and now we blame "war" and "covid"

14:24 schestowitz-TR; as if it was a matter of bad timing or misfortune

14:24 schestowitz-TR; btw, I will send you parts 9-10 shortly (epo) for backup

14:24 schestowitz-TR; it's VERY much connected to it

14:24 schestowitz-TR; if you've followed the series

14:24 schestowitz-TR; bubble makers as "financia experts"

14:24 schestowitz-TR; fucking stupid piece of shit idiots

14:24 schestowitz-TR; people whose skills is lyin g and lying and luying

14:24 schestowitz-TR; and manipulate at other people's expense

14:24 schestowitz-TR; like examines who sold their sold to that shitty german org

14:24 schestowitz-TR; thinking they're just be doing "ecoademia" but for much better pay

14:24 schestowitz-TR; (not limited to EPO BTW, hence the importance, it happens in other orgs, but we don't have their data)

14:26 Techrights-sec; "invest" has morphed into being an euphemism for high risk gambling

14:26 Techrights-sec; yes and no manufacturing to speak of

14:26 Techrights-sec; ack

14:26 Techrights-sec; if things go well, it is obviously because of wise choices and good ideas,

14:26 Techrights-sec; if things go poorly, it is obviiously because of external factors

14:26 Techrights-sec; those experts aren't any better than that hamster was

14:26 Techrights-sec; in fact the hamster had a better track record for being right than they do

14:26 schestowitz-TR; > "invest" has morphed into being an euphemism for high risk gambling

14:26 schestowitz-TR; \my dad lost ALL his money in 2008

14:26 schestowitz-TR; even had to get help from a cousin to be 'rescued'

14:26 schestowitz-TR; he won't let that happen again

14:29 Techrights-sec; :(

14:29 Techrights-sec; ack

14:29 schestowitz-TR; money generqally loses value over time

14:29 schestowitz-TR; and they use that to promote gambling now

14:29 schestowitz-TR; but, ime, the best panacea is learning to reduce expenses to a bare minimum

14:29 schestowitz-TR; and geta ccustomed to it

14:29 schestowitz-TR; I will shave shortly, it'll be dry shave while reading a book

14:29 schestowitz-TR; every pound saved is several minutes earned for free time -- i.e. liberty to engage in an activity one chooses

14:29 schestowitz-TR; not "busy making money"

14:29 schestowitz-TR; BTW, did you see the video I made about css changed that I had applied?

14:29 schestowitz-TR; the video was not aboiut the css, that was junk tinkering a bit to 'beatify' it

14:29 schestowitz-TR; with no images added

14:30 Techrights-sec; no, I check the texts when possible but check very few of anybody's videos

14:30 Techrights-sec; per week

14:30 Techrights-sec; Some CSS skill is needed to get past the barrier with the columns for the

14:30 Techrights-sec; mobile devices. I am taking another look at that soon.

14:40 schestowitz-TR; we don't even know how many access the site with "mobile"

14:40 schestowitz-TR; i imagine not THAT many people

14:40 schestowitz-TR; as desktop gnu/linux enthusiats "get work done"(TM)

14:40 schestowitz-TR; and don't sip $7 latte at gatesbucks

14:40 schestowitz-TR; (i'm no js or css guru, but I know without js it is possible to serve different css files to device types, like "mobile", "print" etc)

14:40 schestowitz-TR; (the practice, hoeever, is based on poor initial design or flawed thinking)

14:40 schestowitz-TR; (like having twoi faceplates for the same phone for "different occasions")

14:42 Techrights-sec; it's more the principle of the matter. the layout should be more flexible

14:42 Techrights-sec; that it is in regards to wrapping columns or whatever the process is called

14:42 Techrights-sec; CSS is fine, for the most part, but a far cry from back when Bos and the others

14:42 Techrights-sec; were working on it. It's becoming overly complicated. JS however has always

14:42 Techrights-sec; been poxy

14:42 Techrights-sec; The only "mobile" aspect is to have it look / function nicely with a narrow

14:42 Techrights-sec; window in portrait mode rather than the usual wide window in landscape mode

14:44 schestowitz-TR; structurally I made no changes at all

14:44 schestowitz-TR; but I think ;enrolling' some files in git is well overdue now

14:44 schestowitz-TR; esp. if we start making changes on some of the same files

14:44 schestowitz-TR; I made a full local backup of that dir last night

14:44 schestowitz-TR; both rianne and I are connected to it atm

14:44 schestowitz-TR; I am poting daily links, then have some epo stuff to publish

14:44 schestowitz-TR; I am always pleased to cover epo issues because

14:44 schestowitz-TR; 1) it's the same as in many other places

14:44 schestowitz-TR; 2) it's clear enough and has evidence

14:44 schestowitz-TR; 3) it's connected to other orgs, so we expose them too (several bird,s, one stone)

14:47 Techrights-sec; ... so that both work

14:47 Techrights-sec; I'll add Git next week then.

14:47 Techrights-sec; Thanks, testing like that helps

14:47 Techrights-sec; excellent; I know I keep repeating myself but the EPO coverage is *very*

14:47 Techrights-sec; important

14:47 Techrights-sec; ack

14:47 schestowitz-TR; i'll keep quiet here to avoid geting ditracted while doing daily links

14:47 schestowitz-TR; i find it suppppper distracting to work after I speak on the phone with someone

14:47 schestowitz-TR; so must alloicate time and take a nap or break afterwards

14:47 schestowitz-TR; (IME)

14:52 schestowitz-TR; oh, one thing I noticed yesterday is,

14:52 schestowitz-TR; implicit paragraphs by linebreaks of empty lines

14:52 schestowitz-TR; drupal and wordpress convert new paragraphs into <p></p> without having to enter these for each para

14:52 schestowitz-TR; in the current cms there is no such insertion

14:52 schestowitz-TR; so all the paras appaear as one block

14:52 schestowitz-TR; not sure if there is a simple fix for it, as when you enter daily links

14:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe even htmltidy has some functionality to that effect

14:53 schestowitz-TR; it has become so common just not in markdown but so many cms software

14:53 schestowitz-TR; that m,any people no longer even think they ned to explicitly mark the paras


3 PM, July 16

15:00 Techrights-sec; a substitution could check for double linebreaks and convert them to paragraphs

15:00 Techrights-sec; tidy doesn't have that functionality but it can be added into the perl script

15:00 Techrights-sec; afaik

15:05 schestowitz-TR; btw, as per your links, lunduke has abadoned the onlyfans model after halving the price and now "unlocks" videos he

15:05 schestowitz-TR; had recorded and published for ALL half a decade ago

15:05 schestowitz-TR; nothing wrong witrh it per se, did he learn to self-host his videois at long last?

15:05 schestowitz-TR; he deleted ALL the odysee videos (some we linked to, now broken) and almost all youtube videos

15:05 Techrights-sec; whatever, I'm just glad he's covering important topics at least occasionally

15:06 schestowitz-TR; i put his sjvn-callout-thingie in front page of tuxmachines

15:06 schestowitz-TR; today I did not add new nodes to the test site so far

15:06 schestowitz-TR; will wait until further changes are made

15:06 schestowitz-TR; rianne finished work in 3 hours, can post to new and old in tandem

15:06 schestowitz-TR; *finishes

15:07 Techrights-sec; figuring out the regex for the above

15:08 schestowitz-TR; I did perl one-line to convert two newlines into none

15:08 schestowitz-TR; do you want me to find it?

15:08 Techrights-sec; it's three lines ;)

15:08 Techrights-sec; It's all set, testing atm

15:08 Techrights-sec; biab

15:12 Techrights-sec; looks like it works

15:12 Techrights-sec; I just added today's leftovees

15:12 schestowitz-TR; looks like it works

15:12 schestowitz-TR; I just added today's leftovees

15:15 schestowitz-TR; oddly enough, in firefox, despite the </p><p>

15:15 schestowitz-TR; it still shows the lines and paragraphs combined as one blocked

15:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe a css properlty

15:38 Techrights-sec; continuing now

15:38 Techrights-sec; ok finding a way to insert the pattern into the work flow

15:38 Techrights-sec; the addition script will insert </p> <p> where multiple blank lines are found

15:38 Techrights-sec; if the text is *not* part of an element already

15:38 schestowitz-TR; does that show up ok in chromium-derived browsers?

15:38 schestowitz-TR; in firefox it ignores this

15:42 Techrights-sec;

15:42 Techrights-sec; no I know nothing about Alpine atm

15:45 schestowitz; https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/perl

↺ https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/perl

15:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pkgs.alpinelinux.org | Alpine Linux packages

15:45 schestowitz-TR; also, do we know for sure alpine has the requirded packages/deps?

15:45 schestowitz-TR; https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/perl

↺ https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86/perl

15:55 schestowitz-TR; i assume cpan can have them, no apt-get

15:55 schestowitz-TR; not sure what command on the hv (alpine) can show available modules

15:56 Techrights-sec; checking

15:56 Techrights-sec; $ awk '/^use/ {sub(";",""); print $2;}' /usr/local/bin/*.pl | sort -u | tr '\n' ' '

15:56 Techrights-sec; 5.32.1 CGI CGI::Carp CGI::Fast Data::Dumper Date::Calc DBI English File::Copy File::Path File::Temp Getopt::Std HTML::Entities HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath HTTP::Response::Enco

15:56 Techrights-sec; ding IO::Socket::SSL LWP::UserAgent strict Time::ParseDate Time::Piece URI URI::Escape utf8 warnings XML::Feed

15:56 Techrights-sec; more correctly:

15:56 Techrights-sec; $ awk '/^use/ {sub(";",""); print $2;}' /usr/local/bin/tm-*.pl /usr/local/bin/rss-since-scraper.pl | sort -u | tr '\n' ' '

15:56 Techrights-sec; Data::Dumper Date::Calc DBI English File::Copy File::Path File::Temp Getopt::Std HTML::Entities HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath HTTP::Response::Encoding LWP::UserAgent strict Time

15:56 Techrights-sec; ::ParseDate Time::Piece URI URI::Escape utf8 warnings XML::Feed

15:56 Techrights-sec; the alpine link there is just to perl itself, not the modules

15:57 schestowitz-TR; we've not chosen an OS yet

15:57 schestowitz-TR; also, fs repair is due first

15:58 Techrights-sec; some might be there, not sure about all,

15:58 Techrights-sec; https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=perl-dbi&branch=edge&arch=x86_64

↺ https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=perl-dbi&branch=edge&arch=x86_64

15:58 Techrights-sec; there's one

15:58 Techrights-sec; and another:

15:58 Techrights-sec; https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86_64/perl-time-parsedate

↺ https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86_64/perl-time-parsedate

15:58 Techrights-sec; Alpine or Devuan are fine, so is OpenBSD

15:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pkgs.alpinelinux.org | Alpine Linux packages

15:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-pkgs.alpinelinux.org | Alpine Linux packages


4 PM, July 16

16:28 schestowitz; if you look at n/2022/07/16/embedded.shtml

16:28 schestowitz; the source looks ok with <p> but it's rendered as one block

16:28 schestowitz; I'm not sure why

16:29 schestowitz; the second item is "glandium.org Blog Archive Announcing git-cinnabar 0.5.9"

16:29 schestowitz; the arrows get encoded incorrectly, maybe at the level of nano or db

16:34 schestowitz-TR; going to nap for a bit

16:34 schestowitz-TR; got permission from microsofter to publish an expose


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18:55 schestowitz-TR; oh, excellent

18:55 schestowitz-TR; now it has worked correctly

18:55 schestowitz-TR; the new paragraphs, latest node added :-)

18:56 schestowitz-TR; I see you are improving "Other Sites" too

18:56 schestowitz-TR; it looks better now, the size was too large before, for syndicated stuff

18:56 schestowitz-TR; marius is now aware of upcoming change

18:57 Techrights-sec; excellent

18:57 Techrights-sec; trying too, it still has a way to go

18:57 Techrights-sec; LWN feed is mostly unavailable

18:57 Techrights-sec; The column still needs to move itself when the window narrows enough

18:57 Techrights-sec; I hope Marius can test at some point, I don't want to bother him yet at the

18:57 Techrights-sec; same time it is important to get feedback as early as possible. Maybe after

18:57 Techrights-sec; the update script is added?

18:57 Techrights-sec; That's great news.

18:57 schestowitz-TR; kaniini plans to work on the FS tonight, details in main channels (scrollback ~40 mins ago)

18:58 Techrights-sec; Checking...

18:58 Techrights-sec; amfora has no search function afaik

18:58 schestowitz-TR; END, PAGEUP, PAGEUP...

18:59 Techrights-sec; yes that's the method I use too but pressing / and then a string or ? and then

18:59 Techrights-sec; a string is faster

18:59 Techrights-sec; but doesn't work in amfora


7 PM, July 16

19:00 schestowitz-TR; these days I only use amfora for monitoring

19:04 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, we now have 3 series running in parallel, not time-critical

19:04 schestowitz-TR; 2 are about microsoft

19:04 schestowitz-TR; 1 epo

19:04 schestowitz-TR; all of theem present new information

19:04 schestowitz-TR; I'm copying parts 9-10 now

19:04 schestowitz-TR; done

19:04 schestowitz-TR; *(odf)

19:04 Techrights-sec; good

19:04 Techrights-sec; EPO is most important but microsoft never stops being a problem

19:05 schestowitz-TR; had techrights now been around, or groklaw for that matter, the bullshitters

19:05 schestowitz-TR; would face little resistance and maybe more people would have accepted

19:05 schestowitz-TR; "ok", maybe "Microsoft isn't that bad anymore.."

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19:25 Techrights-sec; ack

19:25 Techrights-sec; too many people are still pushing that talking point, 'maybe "Microsoft isn't that bad anymore..' even though they should know better. Judging by current

19:25 Techrights-sec; and ongoing behavior they have not changed at all since the old days

19:27 schestowitz-TR; there must be some formal name for this phenomenon, which gets exploited by the guilty

19:27 schestowitz-TR; including billG

19:27 schestowitz-TR; "been a while since a bomb fell here, maybe I should look at the field ahead from my trench"

19:27 schestowitz-TR; "BOOM!"

19:27 schestowitz-TR; "oops, shit, wrong call, keep hiding"

19:31 Techrights-sec; revisionism?

19:31 Techrights-sec; well there is a complete and utter bullshit rhetorical method:

19:31 Techrights-sec; https://blogs.helsinki.fi/pirttila/files/2008/08/The-Hamburger-method-of-constructive-criticism.pdf

↺ https://blogs.helsinki.fi/pirttila/files/2008/08/The-Hamburger-method-of-constructive-criticism.pdf

19:31 Techrights-sec; that people feel compelled to teach regardless of its inutility, and as a side

19:31 Techrights-sec; effect people try to use it, and as a side effect of that people lie or mislead

19:31 Techrights-sec; in order to try to dredge up a compliment even when none is available

19:32 schestowitz-TR; in political discourse it is a foprm of opportunism

19:32 schestowitz-TR; a week or so ago in IRC I joked about thw word "reasonable"

19:32 schestowitz-TR; and gave SJVN as an example

19:32 schestowitz-TR; before he wrote BS about Copilot (zdnet) and then MSFT (El Reg)

19:32 schestowitz-TR; See?

19:32 schestowitz-TR; RMS is "OK" with MSFT

19:32 schestowitz-TR; says SJVN

19:32 schestowitz-TR; SJVN is nice

19:32 schestowitz-TR; we are all "toxic"

19:32 schestowitz-TR; "hateful"

19:32 schestowitz-TR; and some peoplke try to advance this way

19:32 schestowitz-TR; SFC did this to FSF

19:32 schestowitz-TR; several times over

19:32 schestowitz-TR; Oliva LXO challenged them directly on it

19:32 schestowitz-TR; using optics and POR to gain advantage

19:32 schestowitz-TR; *PR

19:33 Techrights-sec; https://lifehacker.com/stop-using-the-sandwich-method-to-give-feedback-1776592001

↺ https://lifehacker.com/stop-using-the-sandwich-method-to-give-feedback-1776592001

19:33 Techrights-sec; SJVN's latest piece is full of factual errors, he's not even trying any more :(

19:33 Techrights-sec; About one of the only major mistakes RMS has made in his public life was to

19:33 Techrights-sec; visit Redmond.

19:33 Techrights-sec; ack

19:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lifehacker.com | Stop Using the "Sandwich Method" to Give Feedback

19:33 Techrights-sec; https://developerhood.com/blog/hamburger-isnt-a-suitable-shape-for-feedback/

↺ https://developerhood.com/blog/hamburger-isnt-a-suitable-shape-for-feedback/

19:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Hamburger Isnt a Suitable Shape for Feedback - Developerhood

19:33 Techrights-sec; .

19:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "In my humble opinion paying cash is a nice puzzle piece of resistance. I routinely pay cash for almost everything, that I buy locally. I have bought a number of fairly expensive things (for my personal definition of fairly expensive, that is) and payed several of them cash, e.g. a new motorcycle" gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220716-re-cash-ocalypse.gmi

↺ gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220716-re-cash-ocalypse.gmi

19:34 schestowitz-TR; "I've been, stupidly, using an email account that came with a free web page account. I figured - what harm could it be, it's free, it's been around... Now I want to get rid of it, but I am away from home, and there are some accounts I can't access to update the email address... So I am stuck." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-16.thunderbird.gmi

↺ gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-16.thunderbird.gmi

19:34 schestowitz-TR; --> britney (~britney@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #boycottnovell-social

19:34 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Top shows that, running in the background with automatic email fetching shut off -- in other words, doing absolutely nothing -- it eats up about 5% CPU and 5% memory. That is a ridiculously large fraction of my machine -- for doing absolutely nothing. I have 8GB RAM), so the sleeping beauty needs 400 MB to do nothing. Is this a bad joke?" gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-16.thunderbird.gmi

↺ gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-07-16.thunderbird.gmi

19:37 britney; schestowitz-TR, ?

19:39 schestowitz-TR; what about, britney?

19:39 Techrights-sec; ack

19:39 britney; schestowitz-TR, why did you call my attention?

19:41 schestowitz-TR; where?

19:41 schestowitz-TR; oh, I ssee now

19:42 schestowitz-TR; I copy-pasted 3 lines

19:42 schestowitz-TR; one got inserted in the middle, the IRC "JOIN"

19:42 britney; yeah i was wondering what was up lol

19:42 schestowitz-TR; shring this over ytalk

19:42 schestowitz-TR; there's a 'bridge' with IRC

19:43 britney; fair enough

19:46 schestowitz-TR; Gulag cannot wean itself off Linux and GPL, but it keeps trying https://9to5google.com/2022/07/15/android-removes-fuchsia-code-starnix/

↺ https://9to5google.com/2022/07/15/android-removes-fuchsia-code-starnix/

19:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Android removes Fuchsia code as Starnix project progresses - 9to5Google

19:55 Techrights-sec; using SFTP for tm dump backups atm

19:55 Techrights-sec; using SFTP fro tr dump backups atm

19:56 schestowitz-TR; good, thanks, hopefully we won't need to recover anything. I think this would stop the dump errors among others.

19:56 schestowitz-TR; and then we can have the fresh new OS and start deplying things


8 PM, July 16

20:22 schestowitz-TR; thinking aloud

20:22 schestowitz-TR; we create new node

20:22 schestowitz-TR; inotify ir similar updates html and gemtext and rss

20:22 schestowitz-TR; my bot here needs tweaking to make the irc post with gemini url too

20:22 schestowitz-TR; agate picks up the new gmi immediately

20:22 schestowitz-TR; it runs on the domain name over default port, 1965

20:22 schestowitz-TR; from the server

20:22 schestowitz-TR; could run on timers or triggers invoked manually

20:22 schestowitz-TR; like afeter adding a node

20:22 schestowitz-TR; if updates are done not directly to file but via interfaces, the right processes can be invoked too

20:22 schestowitz-TR; https likely with self-signed cert, maybe not advertised by default

20:22 schestowitz-TR; so as to avoid nasty warnings, albeit it's supported

20:23 Techrights-sec; backed up, but not the public_html hierarchy, those would require rsync

20:23 Techrights-sec; yes inotify would be good but is not available in this current architecture

20:23 Techrights-sec; the scripts could trigger other scripts, yes

20:23 Techrights-sec; it'd be a waste to have anything in cron though

20:24 britney; schestowitz-TR, I wanted to ask you something. I know matey's opinion but I was wondering if you feel the same way. Can we trust FSF and GNU?

20:25 schestowitz-TR; not in some sense

20:25 schestowitz-TR; because they are brand

20:25 schestowitz-TR; I trust rms

20:25 schestowitz-TR; because it's a person, not a label

20:25 britney; Matey threw around the label MS-GNU

20:26 schestowitz-TR; that's an exaggeration

20:26 schestowitz-TR; because of github

20:26 britney; fair enough

20:26 schestowitz-TR; Techrights-sec:

20:26 schestowitz-TR; yes, the cron thing was for testing

20:26 schestowitz-TR; I notice that while the updaste scripts run the front page can be emptiess for a second or two

20:27 schestowitz-TR; so interim file might be better

20:27 schestowitz-TR; process-this-thhing.sh -> temp && cp temp live

20:27 schestowitz-TR; maybe with sanity check like file size to ensure it doesn't fail to live

20:43 schestowitz-TR; just noticed that about a day ago all new posts were "posted by"

20:43 schestowitz-TR; without a name after that

20:43 schestowitz-TR; not sure if suggestive of a new bug, thought I'd mention it

20:43 schestowitz-TR; added drop cap effect for first letter, it's starting to look more like the drupal site, sans the bloat

20:43 schestowitz-TR; and almost no images

20:54 schestowitz-TR; > Many companies scam their own staff by tricking them into "investing" their salaries (savings) in the company, artificially inflating a fake valuation that's bound to collapse, along with financial rewards supposedly having been given to staff. It's like companies buying back their own shares -- a form of embezzlement.


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