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8 AM, June 16

08:10 Techrights-sec2; gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/15/epo-abolishes-access-to-justice

08:10 Techrights-sec2; implies in the title that the EPC is long since over and done with officially

08:10 Techrights-sec2; the wording of titles and article bodies need to be very clear about

08:10 Techrights-sec2; the EPC being in force and that it bans sw patents and that the EPO managment

08:10 Techrights-sec2; is /breaking the law/ and /violating an international treaty/

08:10 Techrights-sec2; An article can do a lot of damage if it plays along with the EPO managemnt's

08:10 Techrights-sec2; lies about the EPC being defunct

08:11 schestowitz-TR; interesting as I did not think it would give this impression

08:11 schestowitz-TR; in fact the article and video repeatedly call them out for breaking the law

08:11 schestowitz-TR; and does not imply EPC can be ignored

08:11 schestowitz-TR; just that it is being vbiolated a lot

08:12 Techrights-sec2; walking on a grave implies a future burial, dancing on a grave implies

08:12 Techrights-sec2; a past burial

08:12 Techrights-sec2; The body of the article calls out the EPO managment but it takes a few

08:12 Techrights-sec2; paragraphs to catch up to that fact since the title sets the tone in the

08:12 Techrights-sec2; opposite direction since it indicates (inaccurately) that the EPC is over

08:12 Techrights-sec2; yes they ignore it but we should not look at the world from their lawless

08:12 Techrights-sec2; perspective

08:12 schestowitz-TR; it is, to them, dead

08:12 schestowitz-TR; and they try to reinforce this idea

08:14 Techrights-sec2; before clickbait headlines there was an effort for media to summarize

08:14 Techrights-sec2; as concisely as possible, now that there are mostly only clickbait headlines

08:14 Techrights-sec2; that habit has persisted -- too many people do not read past a headline

08:14 Techrights-sec2; therefore it is so very important to have a headline congruent with the

08:14 Techrights-sec2; core message of the article

08:14 schestowitz-TR; ok, so I failed this time

08:14 schestowitz-TR; I will be more careful next time

08:15 Techrights-sec2; no worries but can it becorrected?

08:15 schestowitz-TR; I'd rather not alter it because that leads to other issues, inc. changes elsewhere and questions raised about the change

08:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe I'll compensate for it somehow

08:16 Techrights-sec2; a line a t the bottom could say

08:16 Techrights-sec2; update 2022-06-16 corrected title

08:16 Techrights-sec2; or some such

08:16 Techrights-sec2; ok

08:18 schestowitz-TR; I will think of some witty memes about zombies and things coming back from the grave

08:18 schestowitz-TR; like the EPC's fathers

08:31 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:31 schestowitz-TR; I've drafted some dialogue

08:31 schestowitz-TR; but cannot find a suitable meme

08:31 schestowitz-TR; might make several

08:31 schestowitz-TR; to remind people they break the law

08:31 schestowitz-TR; <14 days before the meeting

08:32 Techrights-sec2; prepare the public for the topics to be covered by the meeting?

08:32 Techrights-sec2; And maybe warn about past dodges which are likely to be retried?

08:39 Techrights-sec2; ack

08:39 Techrights-sec2; be sure to add a few words about how they break the law (IMO)

08:40 schestowitz-TR; draft

08:40 schestowitz-TR; the list would be incomplete

08:40 schestowitz-TR; would rather not

08:40 schestowitz-TR; it would make it seem like a single-issue case

08:40 Techrights-sec2; not a long list just a word or two

08:40 Techrights-sec2; ok

08:44 Techrights-sec2; maybe a link then to the scandals page in the wiki?

08:44 schestowitz-TR; there is alraeady such a link there

08:45 Techrights-sec2; That's to the EPO in general, IIRC there is a full scandal list

08:45 schestowitz-TR; not that I know of, but we can make a new page for it

08:48 Techrights-sec2; oop it has changed, that link is the one I was thinking of, it's just that

08:48 Techrights-sec2; the table is further down o nthe page nowadays

08:54 schestowitz; "

08:54 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members, dear colleagues,

08:54 schestowitz; Your SUEPO TH Committee has been establishing bridges with management, and seeking communication channels hoping for a sound dialogue.

08:54 schestowitz; We have just received a first concrete sign that indeed, site-specific conditions will be looked at.

08:54 schestowitz; The Office announced in an intranet publication on the 7th June that children with special education needs will still be maintaining their current benefits as before the Education and Childcare Reform.

08:54 schestowitz; SUEPO The Hague reiterates its commitment to dialogue and hopes that this measure is one of many more to come to the benefit of SUEPO members and EPO staff.

08:54 schestowitz; "


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11:46 schestowitz-TR; draft

11:46 schestowitz-TR; draft

11:46 schestowitz-TR; I've attempted to show some numbers

11:46 schestowitz-TR; over times the data will improve

11:46 schestowitz-TR; a

11:46 schestowitz-TR; as I improve the way it is dissected

11:47 schestowitz-TR; the title, however, is factual

11:47 Techrights-sec2; ack


noon, June 16

12:15 schestowitz-TR; I started taking a lot of naps, but they typically add up to about 6 hours every 24 hours

12:15 schestowitz-TR; so that's the same as befoe, just spread across more nicely so that I get breaks from the computer

12:15 schestowitz-TR; if there is fatigue, in general, then changes in diet or medication (or vaccines) might be a factor

12:15 schestowitz-TR; other than hereditary aspects

12:20 schestowitz-TR; might want to do detailed blood tests, inc. for stuff like the thyroid gland

12:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe a defficiency of some kind

12:20 schestowitz-TR; I've just added a draft, it's about Belarus sort of...

12:20 schestowitz-TR; I'll keep repeating the point about EPO breaking the law

12:21 schestowitz-TR; (another colleague has just been RE-infested with COVID-19... we're not even a large company. This is no flu. With flu he can still work from home.)

12:33 schestowitz; some arsehole on ebay cancelled

12:33 schestowitz; that site is kaput

12:33 schestowitz; When people make an offer and the offer is accepted, the person is COMMITTED to buying the item.

12:33 schestowitz; "Changed my mind" is NOT a valid excuse.

12:33 schestowitz; Paypal must penalise her account, not put burden on me, or force the purchase.

12:33 schestowitz; Otherwise PayPal will lose buyers.

12:33 schestowitz; This is not acceptable.


1 PM, June 16

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13:28 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> COVID-19 in England: Sharpest Rise, Highest Levels of Infection and Hospitalisation in Over a Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/covid-rise-in-summer/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/covid-rise-in-summer/

13:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 in England: Sharpest Rise, Highest Levels of Infection and Hospitalisation in Over a Month

13:41 Techrights-sec2; ack


2 PM, June 16

14:03 schestowitz-TR; it is also nap o-clock here

14:03 schestowitz-TR; another thing to consider is quality of sleep

14:03 schestowitz-TR; like, if the sleep one gets is not deep, then another instance of it must make up for it

14:03 schestowitz-TR; the body typically 'knows' when it needs sleep and make the most of it

14:11 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Disappointing. Giulia Carlini at "Access Now" is boosting propaganda from Microsoft criminals, lending credibility to the lie that Microsoft speaks 'FOR' Open Source. Of note: that link is to GitHub blog. GitHub is PROPRIETARY!!!

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15:46 schestowitz-TR; "We're consuming way too much energy. By now people should start understanding that "shifting over to green power" is kind of a joke. So far the world hasn't really started transitioning at any meaningful scale. Yes, new solar and wind plants are built every day." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-06-16-would-1950s-living-standards-save-us-.gmi

↺ gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-06-16-would-1950s-living-standards-save-us-.gmi

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5 PM, June 16

17:06 schestowitz-TR; you said something about mozilla bailout running out

17:06 schestowitz-TR; then pasted some link

17:06 schestowitz-TR; I did not catch up

17:07 Techrights-sec2; yes, Mozilla' abios bailout lasts until next year:

17:07 Techrights-sec2;

17:07 Techrights-sec2; https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search

↺ https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search

17:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.androidheadlines.com | Google Is Paying Mozilla $450M Per Year To Be The Default Search Engine On Firefox

17:07 Techrights-sec2; How likely is Mozilla to continue to exist beyond that. It already has

17:07 Techrights-sec2; more or less stopped software activities

17:08 schestowitz-TR; did you say something other than that?

17:08 schestowitz-TR; I only caught a glimpse and then it was gone

17:08 schestowitz-TR; I assume keyboard binding or wornng window

17:08 Techrights-sec2; I presume so but I don;tthink I pressed anything relevant here; no worries

17:08 Techrights-sec2; either way

17:09 schestowitz-TR; for most people the question about mozilla woulkd seem rhetorical

17:09 schestowitz-TR; fore the web, it is a disaster

17:09 schestowitz-TR; the forks of mozilla firefox depend on mozilla staff

17:10 Techrights-sec2; The forks won't survive long since HTTP/3 is a hot UDP mess.

17:10 Techrights-sec2; When Google pulls the plug on Mozilla, the Firefox derivatives won't get

17:10 Techrights-sec2; any secondary goodwill and certainly not any primary goodwill.

17:11 schestowitz-TR; in that case, I'm glad we invest in irc, ipfs, gemini etc.

17:11 schestowitz-TR; the web is becoming a very different turf and even rss feeds are not all the rage like in 2003 ish

17:12 schestowitz-TR; at work, a lot of the "web sites" or "web browser" stuff we use is not web pages

17:12 schestowitz-TR; it's just some widgets clung together

17:12 schestowitz-TR; and we're mean to think it is cross platform

17:12 schestowitz-TR; with the browser as the api

17:12 schestowitz-TR; like adobe flash

17:12 schestowitz-TR; it runs in some sandbox

17:13 Techrights-sec2; In 2003, things were still being decided by skilled people.

17:13 Techrights-sec2; because of javascript, web browsers are just being used as VMs anyway,

17:13 Techrights-sec2; hosting unauthenticated programs of indeterminable provenance

17:14 schestowitz-TR; let me test something.........

17:15 schestowitz-TR; let me test something.........

17:15 schestowitz-TR; OK, I was checking to see if the prior session was terminated by ctrl+f, but no...

17:15 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't matter as we lost almost nothing there, I just want to prevent that happening again

17:15 schestowitz-TR; I've cleaned my feed #######################################

17:15 schestowitz-TR; # Ytalk Error #

17:15 schestowitz-TR; should we do some articles on github or not yet?

17:15 Techrights-sec2; shall we switch from ytalk to something else instead?

17:16 schestowitz-TR; no, I got used to ytalk, it is more than OK

17:16 schestowitz-TR; just took some time getting used to

17:16 schestowitz-TR; plus notificatiobs

17:16 schestowitz-TR; even rianne can hear the ping and knows when I'm being talked to

17:18 schestowitz-TR; going back on the (prior) topic, I wonder what to do about the web

17:18 schestowitz-TR; sure, that may be connected to a lot of other things, inc. github, typescript, and mozilla

17:18 schestowitz-TR; I think it's fair to say no company will "save" it

17:18 schestowitz-TR; there's not enough ineria for a big change

17:18 schestowitz-TR; it'll jst get more and more bloated

17:18 schestowitz-TR; as mozilla gets smaller

17:18 schestowitz-TR; omgubuntu shilled vivaldi this morning

17:18 schestowitz-TR; I responded to that in irc, daily links, and in tuxmachines

17:18 schestowitz-TR; this is getting very silly

17:18 schestowitz-TR; gnu/linux is to the "omg!" brand of sites just some little "app-running" box

17:18 schestowitz-TR; and to a lot of us that would seem pointless. like android...

17:19 Techrights-sec2; no company will save the web, rather it is the companies which are in their

17:19 Techrights-sec2; shortsightedness in th efinal stages of killing the web

17:19 schestowitz-TR; trend: in tech good things come

17:19 schestowitz-TR; like git

17:19 schestowitz-TR; like svn

17:19 schestowitz-TR; like cvs

17:19 schestowitz-TR; and they grow

17:20 schestowitz-TR; and get complicated

17:20 schestowitz-TR; anbd messy politics

17:20 schestowitz-TR; then they get too big or too messy

17:20 schestowitz-TR; and then they impode and something replces them

17:20 schestowitz-TR; that's true for mozillz

17:20 schestowitz-TR; and for the web at large

17:20 Techrights-sec2; git has been a big improvement, something which comes next but with

17:20 Techrights-sec2; a far better UI would be welcome.

17:20 Techrights-sec2; Even if one sticks to basic HTML and CSS, HTML5 and CSS3 are so complicated

17:20 Techrights-sec2; that no new browser are feasible

17:22 Techrights-sec2; Those are front-ends not GUIs but the point there is that as a front end it

17:22 Techrights-sec2; still has most of the limitations of the original program.

17:22 Techrights-sec2; There is GoT which can work with Git repositories. it mightbe that the

17:22 Techrights-sec2; Git legacy will be the repository structure / format and something else

17:22 Techrights-sec2; compatible with the repositories yet with a much better UI will be

17:22 Techrights-sec2; worked out

17:25 schestowitz-TR; web guis for git exist already

17:25 schestowitz-TR; many of them

17:25 schestowitz-TR; with git as the underlying "Engine" so to speka

17:25 schestowitz-TR; but the GUIs vary

17:25 schestowitz-TR; and they come with a load of stuff like databases

17:25 schestowitz-TR; think of git like sqlk

17:25 schestowitz-TR; *sql

17:25 schestowitz-TR; gitlab etc. is like phpmysqladmin

17:25 schestowitz-TR; maybe the whole modality of change control needs to change

17:25 schestowitz-TR; with relational dbs many approaches were attempted

17:25 schestowitz-TR; but their adoption was and is still limited

17:25 schestowitz-TR; to name just the db example, there are many more

17:25 schestowitz-TR; like decalarative programming and functional etc.

17:25 schestowitz-TR; but for change control I think there is room for less push/pull approach

17:25 schestowitz-TR; we are working like the telegram age

17:25 schestowitz-TR; telegraph

17:25 schestowitz-TR; email, unlike ytalk or irc, is also very telegraph-like

17:25 schestowitz-TR; we assume pigeon mail

17:25 schestowitz-TR; (or snail)

17:28 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:28 Techrights-sec2; git /is/ designed for concurrent editing, it is justa matter of getting

17:28 Techrights-sec2; used to the work flow. There are also several options for checking in / out

17:28 Techrights-sec2; the source from the repository

17:28 schestowitz-TR; to elaborate a little

17:28 schestowitz-TR; the push/pull approach has caused us hard-to-resolve conflicting edits

17:28 schestowitz-TR; as you make assumptions about gaps in time

17:28 schestowitz-TR; for kernel dev that might be ok

17:28 schestowitz-TR; as few people work on some particular block of code at one time

17:28 schestowitz-TR; like qualcomm working on the qwualcomm shit

17:28 schestowitz-TR; or networking

17:28 schestowitz-TR; and greg k-h plugging some bugs and backporting them

17:28 schestowitz-TR; right now I have git set up to aut-pull every 10 minutes and then a tall terminal to show me the past 3-5 hours inc. the summary of chasnges

17:28 schestowitz-TR; this is not how git is 'meant' to be use

17:28 schestowitz-TR; it's like a timeline or notifications in social control media

17:29 Techrights-sec2; git is more efficiently used differently than that afaik

17:29 Techrights-sec2; the configuration file can be tweaked to that effect too

17:32 schestowitz-TR; a few days ago I decided to change some file names

17:32 schestowitz-TR; after I had changed their format and extension to gemtext

17:32 schestowitz-TR; I had to look up some documentatyion for this

17:32 schestowitz-TR; and still got it partly wrong

17:32 schestowitz-TR; at the end I fast-forwarded

17:32 schestowitz-TR; but that kind of thing should not be that hard

17:32 schestowitz-TR; a universal GUI is not the solution

17:32 schestowitz-TR; same for package management

17:32 schestowitz-TR; I don't know what the answer is

17:32 schestowitz-TR; if you experienced 10 years of frustration, like kernekl hackeers, tyou wqould know the specs of what would workm better than svn

17:32 schestowitz-TR; and start prototyping it

17:32 schestowitz-TR; btw, had linux not been so popular and big, and had linux not adoptded git, I doubt git would be more

17:32 schestowitz-TR; tyhan just "yes another scm

17:32 schestowitz-TR; *yet another

17:33 Techrights-sec2; I agree, Git was an improvement but that it was it's association with

17:33 Techrights-sec2; such an enormous, global project as Linux which propelled it to the forefront

17:33 Techrights-sec2; in short order (or any order for that matter)

17:34 schestowitz-TR; a lot of new gulag "services" are absolutely shite

17:34 schestowitz-TR; ugly

17:34 schestowitz-TR; lacking features

17:34 schestowitz-TR; toy-like

17:34 schestowitz-TR; but because gulag can promote them through channels (browser, search, ads)

17:34 schestowitz-TR; they tend to catch on by virtue of merely existing

17:34 schestowitz-TR; even if they lose money

17:34 schestowitz-TR; or don't get security basics right (Google+

17:34 Techrights-sec2; toy-like so that "engagement" is increased as people fumble around trying

17:34 Techrights-sec2; to get it to work

17:39 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:39 schestowitz-TR; btw, at 5pm here I FINISHED all my RSS feeds

17:39 schestowitz-TR; refreeshed again

17:39 schestowitz-TR; cleaned again

17:39 schestowitz-TR; nothing

17:39 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:39 schestowitz-TR; and also managed to make some posts in my site, lots in TM and TR aside from my own site

17:39 schestowitz-TR; leaving some of the Gulag Noise machine behind meant I was able to focus on the key thing

17:39 schestowitz-TR; rather than get annoyed by anti-Linux missives

17:39 schestowitz-TR; btw, at 5pm here I FINISHED all my RSS feeds

17:39 schestowitz-TR; refreeshed again

17:39 schestowitz-TR; cleaned again

17:39 schestowitz-TR; nothing

17:39 schestowitz-TR; and also managed to make some posts in my site, lots in TM and TR aside from my own site

17:39 schestowitz-TR; leaving some of the Gulag Noise machine behind meant I was able to focus on the key thing

17:39 schestowitz-TR; rather than get annoyed by anti-Linux missives

17:42 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Something We Did Not Have in Past Summers: a Summertime Surge of COVID-19 https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/summertime-surge-of-covid19/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/16/summertime-surge-of-covid19/

17:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Something We Did Not Have in Past Summers: a Summertime Surge of COVID-19

17:42 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:45 schestowitz-TR; btw, iicymi, gulag got us ttax infusion/cash infusion through maven

17:45 schestowitz-TR; you sent me a link, iirc

17:45 schestowitz-TR; this problem is not limited to Microsoft

17:45 schestowitz-TR; those so-called 'big tech' companies are just 'digital military cointractors' at this stage

17:45 schestowitz-TR; with laughably high budget thrown their way

17:45 schestowitz-TR; graft

17:45 schestowitz-TR; they will fall down hard when ussr economy can no longer justify having a million living in tents

17:45 schestowitz-TR; while trillions gets spent on "pet projects" of psychopahants

17:45 schestowitz-TR; like mr. "catain obvious nft is scam" gates

17:46 Techrights-sec2; link?

17:46 Techrights-sec2; correct

17:46 Techrights-sec2; they seem not to care about the causes and are willing to spend giant sums

17:46 Techrights-sec2; on prosecution and incarceration as a response instead of building the economy

17:46 Techrights-sec2; what they have in place of the economy is a sham and many see through it

17:46 Techrights-sec2; but the media is onboard with the oligarchs

17:47 schestowitz-TR; more people need to call them out on the "shortage" BS

17:47 schestowitz-TR; and "record low unemployment"

17:47 schestowitz-TR; "great resignation"

17:47 schestowitz-TR; you'd think it's a nation of pyuppies and early retirees

17:47 schestowitz-TR; going to the beach and sipping pina colada

17:47 Techrights-sec2; yes the shortage is not of workers but of paying jobs

17:51 schestowitz-TR; case of point: patent examination

17:51 schestowitz-TR; used to be a honourable profession

17:51 schestowitz-TR; einstein in his days was a patebnt clerk

17:51 schestowitz-TR; now they take kids out of college

17:51 schestowitz-TR; and teach them to use Google "closest prior art"

17:51 schestowitz-TR; like pigeons

17:51 Techrights-sec2; ack

17:51 Techrights-sec2; andy?

17:51 schestowitz-TR; another case of point: mark farnell

17:51 schestowitz-TR; I think I got the name wrong

17:51 schestowitz-TR; yeah

17:54 schestowitz-TR; soon you will have academic job desc. that take into account not publications but social [sic] media [sic] stuff

17:54 schestowitz-TR; not because it is relevant

17:54 schestowitz-TR; but because that can help lure students in, enrolling for the diploma mill

17:54 schestowitz-TR; the few blogs I followed of scholars became inactive

17:54 schestowitz-TR; I am guessing they mistook "tweets" for an equivalent activity


6 PM, June 16

18:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:02 Techrights-sec2; the context of tweets is lost almost immediately if not sooner

18:02 Techrights-sec2; without context, they "messages" are just meaningless strings,

18:02 Techrights-sec2; the only thing lasting from that interaction is the farmed interaction itself

18:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:02 schestowitz-TR; the loss of context is actually the worst aspect because of risk it poses

18:02 schestowitz-TR; because one day you might hail gates as loving kids and then 10 years later

18:02 schestowitz-TR; a sentence you said can be interpreted as... oh, shoit

18:02 schestowitz-TR; he "loves" kids

18:02 schestowitz-TR; or you say good things about bill cosby

18:02 schestowitz-TR; or you make a joke about putin

18:02 schestowitz-TR; in light of some event

18:03 schestowitz-TR; that is not noted or associated with thh "tweet"

18:03 schestowitz-TR; Mensch, the troll, try to apint me as antisemitic

18:03 schestowitz-TR; by just doing a twitter search on my account

18:03 schestowitz-TR; and then presenting things out of context

18:03 schestowitz-TR; she was also picking on asange because vanishing out of politics and the net (fafaict)

18:03 schestowitz-TR; tweets made years ago because subject for complaints from (i think) fsfe and ibm

18:03 schestowitz-TR; osi even took down my account for a week

18:04 Techrights-sec2; I forgot the perjorative name for that kind of out of context archeology

18:04 Techrights-sec2;

18:04 schestowitz-TR; quote-mining?

18:04 Techrights-sec2; yes, something like that

18:05 schestowitz-TR; zemlin deleted all his tweets (iirc 4-5k of them) because he had said all sorts of shit

18:05 schestowitz-TR; i did not manage to archive them

18:05 schestowitz-TR; but it doesn't matter so much

18:06 schestowitz-TR; the day he "steps down" will be followed by speculation

18:06 schestowitz-TR; and LF-sponsored puff pieces from Christine and the coin-operated SJVN

18:06 Techrights-sec2; zemlin and deicaza and other dirt bags are special cases

18:06 Techrights-sec2; isn't deicaza due to formally change employment status with the cult he is at?

18:07 schestowitz-TR; I am waiting to see what nat and de icaza do

18:07 schestowitz-TR; before going ahead with the github material I have

18:07 schestowitz-TR; s

18:07 schestowitz-TR; some is about spouses

18:07 schestowitz-TR; but publishing dirt now would feel like kicking while they're down

18:08 Techrights-sec2; SJVN still writes a few good articles per year, perhaps by accident, but

18:08 Techrights-sec2; it's not frequently enough to follow his activities

18:08 schestowitz-TR; the elephant circus whom they occasionally free from the chain for a few hours

18:08 schestowitz-TR; he would starve the death while experiencing freedom

18:09 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: circuses don't use male elephants because not only are they much stronger

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: they have a wicked temper and don't put up with bullshit for very long

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: and nearly always eventually flip out. Being smart, they can observe

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr; people skuttling into hiding and once things settle down, systematically

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: drag them out of hiding and smash them; elephants are way to smart to

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: either eat or keep captive; there is some question remaining about

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: work elephants but probably, on average, those are not so great;

18:12 Techrights-sec2; otr: however, there are a lot of positive stories about work elephants

18:15 schestowitz-TR; tonight will be my last shift

18:15 schestowitz-TR; without nGulag Noise, this weekend will be wide open

18:15 schestowitz-TR; I need to hunt for more RSS feeds of technical nature

18:15 schestowitz-TR; the ones you sent include a lot of MSM like CNN

18:15 schestowitz-TR; which means that I might stumble upon Pearly The Genius and

18:15 schestowitz-TR; "shortage" mythology shaming the people who were robbed off their livelihood

18:15 schestowitz-TR; and they should be shamed of themselves because the economy ha never been better!!

18:15 schestowitz-TR; "It's just you, lazy fuck!"

18:15 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:17 schestowitz-TR; us strategy (hypothesis): suck up to KSA, no matter what, and sabotage china, russia etc.

18:17 schestowitz-TR; so that the debt collection never happens

18:17 schestowitz-TR; it's the "zero-sum" mindset

18:17 schestowitz-TR; make everything equally fucked up

18:17 schestowitz-TR; and suddently you have shared pain

18:17 schestowitz-TR; they sabotage technology this way

18:17 schestowitz-TR; like making EVERYTHING very bloated and unworkable

18:17 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:17 Techrights-sec2; the zero-sum-game religion causes a lot of damage because 1) it is easier to

18:17 Techrights-sec2; sabotage than to build, 2) many adherents believe that by sabotaging they

18:17 Techrights-sec2; are sonehow creating a winner

18:18 schestowitz-TR; "winning" is relative ;-) ;-)

18:35 schestowitz-TR; What does that have to do with the Web, with Mozilla, or with Firefox? https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/06/hacks-decoded-bikes-and-boomboxes-with-samuel-aboagye/

↺ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/06/hacks-decoded-bikes-and-boomboxes-with-samuel-aboagye/

18:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-hacks.mozilla.org | Hacks Decoded: Bikes and Boomboxes with Samuel Aboagye - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog

18:36 Techrights-sec2; parts of MSIE are probably still spread throughout windoze

18:36 Techrights-sec2; and not removable

18:36 schestowitz-TR; did you read last night's article from ryan?

18:36 Techrights-sec2; mozilla apparently does not do programming or development these days

18:36 Techrights-sec2; not yet. checking

18:37 Techrights-sec2; the speculative bubbles or the sonos speakers?

18:37 schestowitz-TR; no, the one about MSIE

18:38 schestowitz-TR; around midnight last night

18:38 schestowitz-TR; in our TR blog

18:38 schestowitz-TR; we reposted that

18:39 Techrights-sec2; checking

18:39 Techrights-sec2; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/15/the-death-of-internet-explorer-has-been-greatly-exaggerated/

↺ https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/15/the-death-of-internet-explorer-has-been-greatly-exaggerated/

18:39 Techrights-sec2; http://techrights.org/2022/06/15/harms-of-msie/

http://techrights.org/2022/06/15/harms-of-msie/

18:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-baronhk.wordpress.com | The death of Internet Explorer has been greatly exaggerated. BaronHK's Rants

18:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Death of Internet Explorer Has Been Greatly Exaggerated | Techrights

18:49 schestowitz-TR; osi has just admitted a decrease in financial turnover

18:49 schestowitz-TR; good news

18:49 schestowitz-TR; of course they're spinning that!

18:49 schestowitz-TR; LF has not sold everything yet

18:49 schestowitz-TR; like selling kernel.org to github.com

18:49 schestowitz-TR; so it's still monetising the sellout or the handover

18:49 schestowitz-TR; while its credibility is like campinos

18:49 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:49 Techrights-sec2; it's probably still on the list of things to do

18:52 schestowitz-TR; some people sent me emails pleading for help stopping that

18:52 schestowitz-TR; it was promoted, initially, by microsoft tim in the register

18:52 schestowitz-TR; seems like they gave him the boot or a sign he need to take a hike

18:52 schestowitz-TR; for the register I follow using rss only for 2 particxular authors

18:52 schestowitz-TR; they focus on fs and gnu linux

18:52 schestowitz-TR; almost all the time

18:52 schestowitz-TR; so high s/n ratio

18:52 schestowitz-TR; should we at some point add a flat list of rss feeds to git or never?

18:52 Techrights-sec2; probably never, since there is no real way merge that with QuiteRSS

18:53 schestowitz-TR; the original thinking was, doing a diff of the output lets you see what other sides added, then add the missing ones manually

18:53 schestowitz-TR; quiterss even takes whatr's in the clipboard and pre-enters it when you press "Add"

18:55 Techrights-sec2; yes QuiteRSS can read the clipboard but the opml file is the big problem

18:55 schestowitz-TR; the opml also misses out a lot of info, iirc update cycle and enabled/disabled

18:55 schestowitz-TR; it stores tghe tree heirarchy, name, and url for site/xml

18:55 schestowitz-TR; *hierarchy

18:55 schestowitz-TR; and category names

18:56 Techrights-sec2; yes, again though I can see it replacing the whole OPML file, I can't see

18:56 Techrights-sec2; merging OPML files which have diverged significantly except by hand and that

18:56 Techrights-sec2; would be a PITA and inefficient

18:58 schestowitz-TR; thje script flattenes, sorts, de-duplicates these

18:58 schestowitz-TR; but then, as I said, adding missing bits would be a manual process

18:58 schestowitz-TR; even then, not sure if exporting and flattening would then merge OK

18:58 schestowitz-TR; though I assume it would be an additive merge

18:58 Techrights-sec2; flattening loses the groupings which are what make the large volume of feeds

18:58 Techrights-sec2; tolerable or even usable

18:59 schestowitz-TR; I've given up[ on the osi of doing an article on osi funding

18:59 schestowitz-TR; they are already having issues

18:59 schestowitz-TR; but I resent what they did to me in twitter

18:59 schestowitz-TR; (of course I stopped caring about twitter since then)

18:59 Techrights-sec2; they're not going to voluntarily expose their dodgy practices


7 PM, June 16

19:00 schestowitz-TR; [18:30] <techrights-news> Seems apt that OSI has put Italians in charge (3 of them), maybe we should call the OSI the "OPENWASHING MAFIA"

19:01 schestowitz-TR; [18:28] <techrights-news> OSI is passing money to Microsoft (ClearlyDefined) and is thus partly a Microsoft front group, promoting proprietary software (GitHub)

19:01 schestowitz-TR; [18:29] <techrights-news> In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/

http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/

19:01 schestowitz-TR; [18:29] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- techrights.org | In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights

19:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights

19:01 schestowitz-TR; [18:29] <techrights-news> OSI is an openwashing corruption hub

19:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:24 schestowitz-TR; wait, I know how to present this...

19:24 schestowitz-TR; without all the ethno stuff/staff and name-calling...

19:24 schestowitz-TR; draft

19:24 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:24 Techrights-sec2; checking

19:24 Techrights-sec2; rather damning stats

19:25 schestowitz-TR; phipps was furious when I brought this up about 4 years ago

19:25 schestowitz-TR; because he could not refute it

19:25 schestowitz-TR; and nobody had shown it like that

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19:30 Techrights-sec2; he's been pushed to the side by the microsofters though hasn't he?

19:31 schestowitz-TR; I don't know the "inside story"

19:31 schestowitz-TR; I added some bits and published

19:32 Techrights-sec2; checking

19:33 schestowitz-TR; they will die

19:33 schestowitz-TR; some years ago they decided to check in by laundering money for Microsoft

19:33 schestowitz-TR; it made them look "big"

19:33 schestowitz-TR; but they worked against their own mission

19:33 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft stands only to gain from this

19:33 Techrights-sec2; It's too bad that OSI got subverted like that. Initially it was a constructive

19:33 Techrights-sec2; organizatio but that's certainly why it got taken out

19:34 schestowitz-TR; all they can do now is ad hominem libel

19:34 schestowitz-TR; like insinuating facts are "homophopobic"

19:34 schestowitz-TR; and then try to censor/discourage access to information

19:35 Techrights-sec2; yes ad hominem means that they have nothing factual or relevant to come back with

19:35 Techrights-sec2; they do what they can to try to instigate brigading

19:36 schestowitz-TR; this is also NOT something we can avoid

19:36 schestowitz-TR; anyone can make something up

19:36 schestowitz-TR; or leverge lies

19:36 schestowitz-TR; no matter what you do

19:36 schestowitz-TR; LF replaced its "Linux" Fdn. blog with politics of perceived tolerance

19:36 schestowitz-TR; I guess that makes my criticism of LF an act of racism

19:40 schestowitz-TR; earlier today I saw in automated links something that was spinning something as harming trans

19:40 schestowitz-TR; even though that thing had nothing to do with trans

19:40 schestowitz-TR; seems like a politicial strategy for riling up online riots

19:40 schestowitz-TR; I could dig up the link, I skipped it completely for this reason,

19:40 schestowitz-TR; but it's not important enough

19:42 Techrights-sec2; yes it's about riling up the public and distracting them, bonus if they

19:42 Techrights-sec2; can rally a mob to brigade their targets

19:42 schestowitz-TR; [23:45] <techrights-news> Bill Gates did not SAY controversial things. He COMMITTED (DID) crimes. Guess who had a petition against him in Microsoft's GitHub and WHY...

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19:43 Techrights-sec2; ack


8 PM, June 16

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20:21 schestowitz-TR; draft important

20:21 Techrights-sec2; checking

20:21 Techrights-sec2; 3) which constitution?

20:22 schestowitz-TR; it is not clear how many of them

20:22 schestowitz-TR; hungary's for sure

20:22 schestowitz-TR; confirmed by court

20:22 schestowitz-TR; but severak others in other contexts

20:22 schestowitz-TR; I can produce links if chanllenged on it

20:22 Techrights-sec2; ok

20:22 Techrights-sec2; might append "in multiple countries" if there is space

20:22 schestowitz-TR; mostg coun tries never checked!!

20:27 schestowitz-TR; I've looked

20:27 schestowitz-TR; editing the image would not be easy

20:27 schestowitz-TR; font from another pgoram

20:27 schestowitz-TR; anyway, second line of defence is yielding links to support the assertation

20:27 Techrights-sec2; ok

20:27 schestowitz-TR; this is a mini 'story'

20:27 schestowitz-TR; I'd like to write longer pieces, but first let me get rid of my very shitty job ;)

20:28 schestowitz-TR; in the past I said,

20:28 schestowitz-TR; social control media is not formality

20:28 schestowitz-TR; so typos are ok

20:28 schestowitz-TR; but blogs get judged differently so I am more meticulous and long posts take a long time to check

20:28 schestowitz-TR; now the social control media is gone

20:28 schestowitz-TR; it's just informal irc

20:28 schestowitz-TR; maybe for the better

20:33 Techrights-sec2; ak

20:33 Techrights-sec2; ack

20:52 schestowitz-TR; making a meme now

20:52 schestowitz-TR; humour helps avert a reputation opf grumpy grouch

20:52 schestowitz-TR; this will address your point too

20:52 schestowitz-TR; draft


9 PM, June 16

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10 PM, June 16

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22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> The first two weren't bad, but then the third made me start forgetting things and having slight pain in my chest for a couple of months.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> And I developed sleep paralysis for the first time ever since the third one. I can't say that it's what caused it, but it's suspicious and still hasn't gone away.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> It mostly strikes when I try to get some sleep during the day and I start hallucinating that there's someone in my apartment that's broken down the door and is coming for my bedroom.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> It's always the same, like they broke in but then they're just standing at the foot of my bed where I can't see them over the cover.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> I hear that this exact thing is pretty common, really, with people who get a sleep paralysis episode.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; <DaemonFC> It's crazy. It's like, you feel ridiculous even admitting to this, because it's like a five year old that goes into their mom and dad's bedroom and says the monster in the closet scared them.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; better to talk about it here, DaemonFC

22:41 DaemonFC; Ah, yeah.

22:41 schestowitz_TR2; do you think your sleep issues are connected to the booster?

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22:42 schestowitz_TR2; I don't want the peolple who don't agree with us on software and patents to call us "vaxxer" something

22:42 DaemonFC; It's possible. A lot of strange things happened after the third dose, and most of it let up after a month or two.

22:42 DaemonFC; Oh I'm absolutely not an anti-vaxxer.

22:42 schestowitz-TR; I know

22:42 schestowitz-TR; me neither

22:42 schestowitz-TR; that label lost iots meaning

22:43 DaemonFC; I have all of my recommended adult vaccines and if I travel, I will get my travel shots because I don't want to end up in the Philippines with yellow fever or something.

22:43 DaemonFC; Well, we've never had a vaccine this rushed that performed this poorly before.

22:43 DaemonFC; Even the flu shots seem to work better than this, and they don't work very well it's just what we have.

22:44 DaemonFC; Now they want to pressure people into taking a flu shot and a COVID shot at the same time.

22:45 DaemonFC; That way you're 20% protected from the flu and 5% protected from COVID, I guess. :P

22:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, All the doctor's offices want you to come in for a flu shot. And I go, "Why? So you can bill me for an office visit for something I can go make my insurance pay 100% for down at literally any pharmacy?".

22:46 DaemonFC; Every chance to nickel and dime, you know?

22:46 schestowitz-TR; I didn't hear about this mixing

22:46 schestowitz-TR; that you speak of

22:46 schestowitz-TR; but I heard doctors say they worry about flu shots now, saying these might be contaminated with COVID-19 shots

22:46 DaemonFC; Yeah, Moderna is looking at combining their mRNA flu shot with their COVID shot into a combined shot.

22:46 schestowitz-TR; to basically give those shot to people who do not yet trust them

22:47 DaemonFC; Well, contaminated? Unlikely. But, people come in for flu shots, and the pharmacy tech grabs a COVID shot instead.

22:47 DaemonFC; And then once it's in your arm, what do you do?

22:47 DaemonFC; So if you go into the pharmacy, look at what they're about to inject you with before it goes in.

22:47 schestowitz-TR; it's going to become an issue

22:47 schestowitz-TR; they have patents on covid stuff

22:47 schestowitz-TR; the flu shots don't cost as much

22:47 schestowitz-TR; patents

22:48 schestowitz-TR; my sister will get married and now I have a strong excuse for not attending

22:48 schestowitz-TR; unless they want someone double-masked and shouting at people to stay 2 meters away :-)

22:48 schestowitz-TR; and my own table ;-)

22:48 schestowitz-TR; imagine what photo-taking will be like

22:49 schestowitz-TR; I could come in hazmet suit

22:49 schestowitz-TR; and then take photos OK

22:49 schestowitz-TR; oxygen tank to last 3-5 hours

22:49 schestowitz-TR; "is that your brother?"

22:50 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: earlier today in my blog I wropte about 4th shot

22:50 schestowitz-TR; only about 6 months ago (dec. iirc)

22:50 schestowitz-TR; they concluded a study

22:50 schestowitz-TR; after they had given 4th dozen to maybe hundreds of people

22:50 schestowitz-TR; and observed

22:50 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> "is that your brother?"

22:50 schestowitz-TR; they came to the conclusion it did not help

22:50 DaemonFC; "Emphysema!"

22:50 schestowitz-TR; it's like placebo

22:51 schestowitz-TR; but they did not use the term placebo, obviously

22:51 DaemonFC; Yeah, the third dose didn't have a big effect either.

22:51 schestowitz-TR; so to me..

22:51 schestowitz-TR; make a better vaccine

22:51 DaemonFC; But the fourth one is like nothing at all.

22:51 schestowitz-TR; when you're done making a GOOD vaccine

22:51 DaemonFC; And they're going to start offering them at the nursing homes.

22:51 schestowitz-TR; AND tested it

22:51 schestowitz-TR; I may take it

22:51 schestowitz-TR; just like ALL the other vaccines I took

22:51 schestowitz-TR; that had been used and tested for nearly a century

22:52 schestowitz-TR; inc. some vaccines a few years ago

22:52 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: go to:

22:52 schestowitz_TR2; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/

↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/

22:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com

22:53 schestowitz-TR; totally not antivaxx, the exact opposite

22:53 schestowitz-TR; I call our our politicians for downplaying the problem

22:53 schestowitz-TR; brb

22:54 schestowitz-TR; lately I've heard of sleep issue

22:54 schestowitz-TR; not just from you

22:54 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to "prove" any vaccine is connected to it

22:54 schestowitz-TR; because not much is know

22:54 schestowitz-TR; *known

22:58 DaemonFC; Yeah, well, the only thing I can do about it now is not take any more.


11 PM, June 16

23:08 schestowitz-TR; I see you arguing in that other channel

23:08 schestowitz-TR; let me ask you

23:08 schestowitz-TR; if you are 60+ and take a flu shot

23:09 schestowitz-TR; is there expectation of the body repelling the flu before you show symptoms?

23:09 schestowitz-TR; that would be indicative of effective shots

23:09 schestowitz-TR; when the body does not let the virus settle in and build up to quantity

23:09 schestowitz-TR; from what I can gather, high-profile boosters (and profiteers) of the COVID shows

23:09 schestowitz-TR; *shots

23:09 schestowitz-TR; fails to curb COVID

23:10 schestowitz-TR; and then started relying on pills and such

23:10 schestowitz-TR; very expensive care

23:10 DaemonFC; They have a high dose flu shot for old people.

23:10 schestowitz-TR; that only they and Trump can afford

23:10 schestowitz-TR; and which has nothing to do with the jabs

23:10 DaemonFC; My grandmother took two flu shots.

23:10 DaemonFC; One in August and one in January.

23:10 schestowitz-TR; they rely on an expensive second line of denfence

23:11 schestowitz-TR; in my blog you can see the latest numbers

23:11 schestowitz-TR; we've gone from

23:11 schestowitz-TR; "|et's eradicate this"

23:12 schestowitz-TR; to

23:12 schestowitz-TR; "let's stop it killing people"

23:12 schestowitz-TR; to

23:12 schestowitz-TR; "let's vaccine so that when we get it, which will happen, it won't send us to hospital"

23:12 schestowitz-TR; "let's vaccine so that when we get it, which will happen, it won't kill us"

23:12 schestowitz-TR; basically lowering our expectations of success

23:12 schestowitz-TR; if we all get this shot

23:13 schestowitz-TR; now they push it to kids

23:13 schestowitz-TR; like that'll make a dent

23:13 schestowitz-TR; it's becoming comical

23:13 schestowitz-TR; I have a bunker-like setup here

23:13 schestowitz-TR; with open doors and yard

23:13 schestowitz-TR; i just don't get exposed to unknown people

23:13 schestowitz-TR; and I should be fine like this

23:14 schestowitz-TR; until the gov. figures out what the heck its covid strategy is

23:14 schestowitz-TR; we'll soon exceed 200k covid-linked deaths here

23:14 schestowitz-TR; it keeps growing

23:14 schestowitz-TR; and from what I hear

23:14 schestowitz-TR; people have side effects either from the shots or the virus

23:14 schestowitz-TR; or both

23:14 schestowitz-TR; so I'm not interested in either for now

23:14 schestowitz-TR; I camp it out

23:15 schestowitz-TR; until we know what's true and what's unadulterated marketing

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