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08:38 schestowitz-TR; only automated links today or an accient?
08:38 schestowitz-TR; I've just restarted httpd on TM, it was not responding for at least half an hour
08:39 Techrights-sec2; checking
08:39 Techrights-sec2; error. the manual links got folded into yesterday's manual links if I read
08:39 Techrights-sec2; the metadata correctly
08:46 schestowitz-TR; regarding links, what to do?
08:46 schestowitz-TR; regarding TM: I see it was down for almost 2 hours, but at least not very busy times
08:54 Techrights-sec2; not sure, but there are only 28 links from yesterday's file and 1 from today's
08:54 Techrights-sec2; 1~07:32 tux machines We failed to reach a server.
08:54 Techrights-sec2; :/ a bug in the monitor script here
08:54 Techrights-sec2; no lights / buzzer
08:54 Techrights-sec2; tux machines 13:44, tux machines 04:18, tux machines 05:40
09:10 Techrights-sec2; according to the limited logs here, TM was not unvailable for the entire
09:10 Techrights-sec2; interval but only parts of it, however it is likely that performace was
09:10 Techrights-sec2; degraded the whole interval
09:10 Techrights-sec2; also found a loose cable here
09:12 schestowitz-TR; I can catch it fast if I am awake
09:12 schestowitz-TR; btw, how to best deal with the links? I've begun going through the automated ones
09:12 Techrights-sec2; I would say diff the one from yesterday as it is currently on the server
09:12 Techrights-sec2; versus the one you have there
09:39 schestowitz-TR; OK, so I went to the server, got the 13-06 file
09:39 schestowitz-TR; all the links in there were already posted yesterday, I checked one by one
09:39 schestowitz-TR; so if you added any more, I'm not seeing them
09:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe I am not following your instructions correctly
10:38 Techrights-sec2; not sure, I thought I added quite a few but see only the one in today's
10:38 Techrights-sec2; manual links
10:38 Techrights-sec2; oh well
10:39 schestowitz-TR; what I got was about 6 "other links", the automated section, and nothing at the top, just "error 1" or something to that effect
10:39 schestowitz-TR; if we can resurrect lost editing work, great. If not, OK. But I just wanted to explain what I got at my end and I did
10:39 schestowitz-TR; check the server again.
10:40 Techrights-sec2; there should be 28 manual links
10:40 Techrights-sec2; I hope this is not a bug in the process / scripting
10:40 Techrights-sec2; that's correct
10:40 Techrights-sec2; hmm. Let me check again.
10:40 Techrights-sec2; there should be 28 manual links
10:40 Techrights-sec2; I hope this is not a bug in the process / scripting
10:41 schestowitz-TR; yesterday'a (13-06) file had over 20, those were already added yesterday morning
10:41 schestowitz-TR; today's (14) have some error message at the top, then automated starts
10:41 Techrights-sec2; It says '1 error"
10:41 Techrights-sec2; checking ...
10:42 schestowitz-TR; thanks, yes, that's what I saw. I assume there's an input file for that part and maybe it can be salvaged.
10:46 schestowitz-TR; off-topic rant: when I read news links about inequality and then patents, esp. on vaccines, I am reacting more strongly
10:46 schestowitz-TR; than all this insurrection stuff. The latter is a national issue -- in a place I long ago gave up on
10:46 schestowitz-TR; maybe one day we'll be back to covering patent issues more closely, but at the moment the press treats it like something not to
10:46 schestowitz-TR; even be questioned and therefore it's difficult to find any real, authentic journalism on the msatter
10:51 schestowitz-TR; I relative terms you and I are quite young, still, so have several decades left to tackle these issues
10:51 schestowitz-TR; I think the attacks on the Internet are very disturbing atm, inc. dns
10:51 schestowitz-TR; health is a relative thing
10:51 schestowitz-TR; I'm not in perfect shape
10:51 schestowitz-TR; but the body responds positively to high spirits
10:51 schestowitz-TR; [(low stress etc., determination)
10:51 Techrights-sec2; found the error(s),
10:51 Techrights-sec2; re-uploading (but will have to track down the second of the two errors)
10:51 Techrights-sec2; perhaps
10:53 Techrights-sec2; it's not so much an error as an edge case brought on by some changes not that
10:53 Techrights-sec2; long ago
10:55 schestowitz-TR; in my latest commit there's an 'edge case' where the last time gemini server reboot happens on first of the month
10:55 schestowitz-TR; in which case the stats page may show month name before the line with the uptime stats
10:55 schestowitz-TR; which is not a big deal, nor is it likely to happen a lot
10:55 schestowitz-TR; because it scans for MM-DD
10:55 schestowitz-TR; edge cases are best off detected and tackled if each repeated occurrance leads to a lot of head-scratching
10:55 schestowitz-TR; if they are well known and understood, less head-scratching ;-)
11:01 schestowitz-TR; clarification needed: seems like in latest uploaded file there are the automated links
11:02 schestowitz-TR; and then again the automated links for (? I think ?) same "so far today"
11:02 schestowitz-TR; as if it was reraun and then retrieve links that would otherwise be included in tomorrow's batch
11:02 schestowitz-TR; iow, everything after line 647 will repeat itself tomorrow?
11:02 Techrights-sec2; in a POSIX shell, if an element of a pipe files, nothing happens even when -e
11:02 Techrights-sec2; is set
11:02 Techrights-sec2; :(
11:03 schestowitz-TR; for now I will just focus on the manually curated part and then posy the first batch ot today, yesterday we posted an all-time
11:03 schestowitz-TR; record of five
11:13 Techrights-sec2; already using tmp files, what's one more :/
11:13 Techrights-sec2; ok it shold be fixed, thanks for spotting the bug, it was well hidden
11:15 schestowitz-TR; I am using the file uploaded about an hour ago to grab and fuse in those ~28 links
11:15 schestowitz-TR; some more manual work required, but a lot less than it takes to find and organise sduch links in the first place
11:15 schestowitz-TR; I'm still tyring to get used to the new routine
11:15 schestowitz-TR; and hopefully post around a dozen posts per day
11:15 schestowitz-TR; (it is only difficult because of 4.6 shifts at work per week, might change soon)
11:15 Techrights-sec2; a new merged file has been uploded
11:15 Techrights-sec2; ^uploaded
11:16 schestowitz-TR; I already cleaned the file, which lacked the curated stuff, prior to you fixing the bug, so afaik all that was missing: the first part
11:17 schestowitz-TR; victim-blaming comes in many forms
11:22 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:22 Techrights-sec2; yep
11:22 schestowitz-TR; you are "winning" [sic] when there is widespread understanding that certain lies are just lies, such as "WoMD in Iraq" or "patents" as surrogate
11:22 schestowitz-TR; for "innovation"
11:22 schestowitz-TR; nobody takes this shirt seriously, certainly not patent examiners
11:22 schestowitz-TR; *this shit
11:22 schestowitz-TR; they say so themselves
11:22 schestowitz-TR; and they also don't buy the bullishit about "S.A.P." -- lowering salaries while the banks... I mean PATENT OFFICE< nets more money than ever
11:24 schestowitz-TR; expect epo examiners to prolong the industrial action until next year
11:24 schestowitz-TR; now they survey for consent from staff
11:24 schestowitz-TR; they refuse to be rubber-stamping operators
11:24 schestowitz-TR; this is GOOD
11:24 schestowitz-TR; I hope USPTO will follow
11:24 schestowitz-TR; but US is a union-busting beast
11:24 schestowitz-TR; and afaik, uspto workers have no union
11:33 Techrights-sec2; I wish them very much success in their actions to clean up the office
11:33 schestowitz-TR; another point which imho we should get across
11:33 schestowitz-TR; is that a lot of tech is riding "defence" budget or "oil" or similar
11:33 schestowitz-TR; and that those companies are not doing as well as they claim
11:33 schestowitz-TR; and their platforms are bubbles
11:33 schestowitz-TR; looking to do something to us
11:33 schestowitz-TR; oracle is alsom trying to latch onto medical data now
11:33 schestowitz-TR; you saw it about the same time I did, different articles
11:33 schestowitz-TR; bail us out (they don't say that, not like this) or "PEOPLE WILL DIE"
11:35 Techrights-sec2; that is true but there is also a lot of corporate rot in general
11:35 Techrights-sec2; see the SN comment in other links from today about what has happened to
11:35 Techrights-sec2; the kernel
11:35 Techrights-sec2; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eat_the_seed_corn
11:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wiktionary.org | eat the seed corn - Wiktionary
11:35 Techrights-sec2; https://www.ruleoneinvesting.com/blog/retirement-planning/dont-eat-the-seed-corn/
11:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ruleoneinvesting.com | Don't Eat the Seed Corn
11:35 Techrights-sec2; two decades ago there was an easy transition into development for those
11:35 Techrights-sec2; with the aptitude and interest, the skills and knowledge were easy to
11:35 Techrights-sec2; pick up. The skills through college, the knowledge through, among other methods, books. Now colleges teach nothing relevant to applied computer science
11:35 Techrights-sec2; and books on the topic seem to have ceased production.
11:35 Techrights-sec2; For several reasons the investment in the future has ceased, in regards to
11:35 Techrights-sec2; the computing industry
11:35 Techrights-sec2; universities no longer point the way but now follow industry which is now
11:35 Techrights-sec2; relegated to chasing its own tail.
11:35 Techrights-sec2; bailouts instead of investments; rot instead of growth
11:36 schestowitz-TR; this is visible, or in plain sight, in the syllabus
11:36 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if this is a topic we should cover at some point
11:36 schestowitz-TR; it's more of an education topic, before the rise of "EdTECH" and other BS buzzwords
11:37 schestowitz-TR; like rootkits (procotoring)
11:37 Techrights-sec2; yep
11:37 Techrights-sec2; it was covered by Andy a bit; it's partially about education but also about
11:37 Techrights-sec2; control and specifically control through ICT;
11:37 Techrights-sec2; edtech is more M$ entrenching itself as quickly and deeply as it can to
11:37 Techrights-sec2; the exclusion of all real tech
11:39 schestowitz-TR; in my experience, a lot of [x]Tech is buzzwording for software partebts
11:39 schestowitz-TR; medtech
11:39 schestowitz-TR; adtech
11:39 schestowitz-TR; fintech
11:39 schestowitz-TR; they don't want to say what their supposed "innovation" actually is
11:39 schestowitz-TR; and compensate using novelty-like-sounding crap
11:43 schestowitz-TR; ---
11:43 schestowitz-TR; based on what I know from rianne's dad (chemist), this phenomenon is not limited to CS/IT
11:43 schestowitz-TR; sadly, we you see in EPO, shit floats
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and one way to tackle this is to illuminate that shit
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and hope it'll turn around
11:43 schestowitz-TR; anything, however little, you can do to illuminate this shit
11:43 schestowitz-TR; and hopefully get other people to do the same with you
11:43 schestowitz-TR; will be a litte step in the right direction
11:43 schestowitz-TR; but it's a long war, like upc
11:43 schestowitz-TR; we've won many battles already
11:43 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:45 schestowitz-TR; to keep in mind always: the ones you fight WILL NEVER ADMIT WHEN THEY LOSE
11:45 schestowitz-TR; (this is strategic, so keep your own score, and maybe see the noccasional temper breakdown, as a sign of the score)
11:45 schestowitz-TR; see the title of the latest TR post
11:45 schestowitz-TR; bing is a dead end
11:45 schestowitz-TR; now they attack people's PCs
11:45 schestowitz-TR; DDG (Bing proxy) was exposed recently
11:45 schestowitz-TR; I imagine many users are fleeing
11:45 schestowitz-TR; word of mouth
11:45 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:45 Techrights-sec2; bing was always only ever DOA
11:46 schestowitz-TR; they spent money (funny money) buying companies for 'seatchTech' and sank a lot into lobbying
11:46 schestowitz-TR; with revenue sstrerams drying up in the cash cows I suppose they'll pull some plugs soon
11:58 Techrights-sec2; faking growth through purchases is a common trick
11:58 schestowitz-TR; with gulag so dominant for 20+ years no real innovation in search
11:58 schestowitz-TR; other than the BS that is "voice search"
11:58 schestowitz-TR; where you can barely digrest the results of the search
11:58 schestowitz-TR; hence missing the point
11:58 schestowitz-TR; it might be OK for people who lack both arm
11:58 schestowitz-TR; for that they already had GUI framworks that do speech-to-text
11:59 Techrights-sec2; the voice search is almost certainly a front for the excuse to leave the
11:59 Techrights-sec2; microphone on and streaming 24/
11:59 Techrights-sec2; 24/7
11:59 Techrights-sec2; the voice search is almost certainly a front for the excuse to leave the
11:59 Techrights-sec2; microphone on and streaming 24/
11:59 Techrights-sec2; 24/7
12:00 schestowitz-TR; this is the direction they've taken for a while
12:00 schestowitz-TR; is it just my weird imagination or did you type CIA and then backtrack and delete that?
12:00 Techrights-sec2; imagination AFAIK
12:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe I saw the word "front" and 'auto-completed' in my head
12:05 schestowitz-TR; anyway, Gulag Maps serves similar interests since its inception
12:05 schestowitz-TR; and there are interfaces for real-time access by intelligence agencies
12:05 schestowitz-TR; based on NY Times report from about 15 years ago
12:05 schestowitz-TR; they "target" certain users of it
12:05 schestowitz-TR; but nowadays I suppose they log everything everyone does there
12:05 schestowitz-TR; same for search phases
12:05 schestowitz-TR; as you see in the case of Vault7
12:05 schestowitz-TR; where they pull search phases from like a decade earlier
12:05 schestowitz-TR; you probably would not even remember if you did or did not search for such things
12:05 schestowitz-TR; search phases say a lot more about you than a browsing history
12:05 schestowitz-TR; because one is more proative
12:05 schestowitz-TR; akim to mind reading
12:05 schestowitz-TR; expression rather than mere absorption
12:05 schestowitz-TR; you have mentiuoned "streaming 24/7"
12:05 schestowitz-TR; this already happens with all "phones"
12:05 schestowitz-TR; but they stream locatin data
12:05 schestowitz-TR; in the uk, the carriers must collect and retain such data
12:05 schestowitz-TR; if the retention has time limits, then periodically offload to GCHQ
12:05 schestowitz-TR; that's why I would not carry such a device
12:05 schestowitz-TR; that says more about you than browsing history
12:06 schestowitz-TR; same for a list of iterms you purchase inc. food
12:06 Techrights-sec2; yes those too
12:06 Techrights-sec2; they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them
12:08 schestowitz-TR; they do buffer and send later
12:08 schestowitz-TR; but I forgot the source
12:08 schestowitz-TR; like mic on if you turn connection off
12:09 schestowitz-TR; broadcast later
12:09 schestowitz-TR; with malware (official) or without it
12:09 schestowitz-TR; some phones get updated (cracked) remotely by the state
12:09 schestowitz-TR; so any missing behaviour can be added on demand
12:09 schestowitz-TR; baltic politicians are expressing concern about POTENTIAL feature (off by default) for censoring particular speeh
12:09 schestowitz-TR; for china, for now...
12:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe they will; '180' is China offers to turn that on for the "national security" interest of suppressing pro-Putin voices
12:09 Techrights-sec2; yes those too
12:09 Techrights-sec2; they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them
12:09 Techrights-sec2; those are tag teamed via "loyalty cards" and credit/debit cards
12:09 Techrights-sec2; between the two they know down to a penny what you have spent and on what
12:09 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:11 schestowitz-TR; I've long called those "discount" cards a penlaty for privacy
12:11 schestowitz-TR; and I shun shops that have such cards
12:11 schestowitz-TR; they literally charge me more just for not giving away my ID
12:11 schestowitz-TR; the hard part is getting more people to understand that
12:11 schestowitz-TR; I explained to their staff
12:11 schestowitz-TR; but too afraid to get sacked, they would not even nod or acknowledge the issue
12:11 Techrights-sec2; yep
12:12 Techrights-sec2; yes those too
12:12 Techrights-sec2; they can also /very/ easily buffer sound recordings and send them
12:12 Techrights-sec2; / upload them in bursts, the only question is do they do that yet
12:12 schestowitz-TR; the staff probably aren't even allowed to talk about any subject let alone that
12:12 schestowitz-TR; one
12:14 Techrights-sec2; the staff probably aren't even allowed to talk about any subject let alone that
12:14 Techrights-sec2; one
12:14 schestowitz-TR; it is the "minimum salary NDA"
12:14 schestowitz-TR; or non-dis. clause
12:14 schestowitz-TR; "you get paid, shut up" = van de beld, ECMA (about Microsoft OOXML)
12:14 schestowitz-TR; this is how masters want their slaves to behave
12:15 Techrights-sec2; something like that
12:15 Techrights-sec2; NDAs are being piggybacked into pretty much every employment contract in
12:15 Techrights-sec2; some countries
12:15 Techrights-sec2; Yes, it's about slavery, wage slavery in this case but slavery nonetheless
12:16 schestowitz-TR; mitchell mentioned the microsoft nda the other day
12:16 schestowitz-TR; you would not see it in gemini
12:16 schestowitz-TR; but he got burned by bishop the microsoft "asset"
12:16 schestowitz-TR; and the nda was pretext for firing
12:16 schestowitz-TR; even though he said the truth
12:17 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/06/11/geekwire-doxing/
12:17 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | GeekWire and Todd Bishop: Doxing for Microsoft | Techrights
12:17 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:18 schestowitz-TR; NDA should go somewhere in a chrt of threats
12:18 schestowitz-TR; non-disclosure AND non-'disparagement' (like, hmm... reporting a CRIME?)
12:18 Techrights-sec2; bishop reads like a weasel there
12:18 Techrights-sec2; yes both
12:21 schestowitz-TR; his message was "unread"... for 5 years ;-)
12:21 schestowitz-TR; liars can lie with a sense of sincerity
12:21 schestowitz-TR; I have a boss like this
12:21 schestowitz-TR; we call hi m "TheLiar"
12:21 schestowitz-TR; he keeps pretending not to see certain emails
12:21 schestowitz-TR; and then makes up some bullshit excuses about spam filters
12:21 schestowitz-TR; and then refuting these excuses
12:21 schestowitz-TR; so cannot even keep a version of the fair tale consistent
12:21 schestowitz-TR; and you still need to work with people like this
12:21 schestowitz-TR; the thing is, since 2018 we've not worked for them, we "milked them"
12:21 schestowitz-TR; after how SarinGas treated staff
12:21 schestowitz-TR; the morale got so low that no wondrer we ended up like this
12:22 Techrights-sec2; any followup on this:
12:22 Techrights-sec2; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/25/22995144/microsoft-foreign-corrupt-practices-bribery-whistleblower-contracting
12:22 Techrights-sec2; depleting the institution was her unspoken goal
12:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | Microsoft is tied to hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign bribes, whistleblower alleges - The Verge
12:23 schestowitz-TR; nop follow-up, let alone any investigation
12:23 schestowitz-TR; crime pays off
12:23 schestowitz-TR; welcome to Earth
12:23 schestowitz-TR; you can participate in the crimes, feel a little guilty
12:23 schestowitz-TR; but "shut up, you get paid" -ECMA
12:25 Techrights-sec2; more and more, apparently
12:27 schestowitz-TR; security as add-on
12:27 schestowitz-TR; phone without charger
12:27 schestowitz-TR; car with missing components, because "supply chain"
12:33 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:34 schestowitz-TR; work without pension
12:34 schestowitz-TR; contract with 6-month terms
12:34 schestowitz-TR; job without career advancement route
12:34 schestowitz-TR; gee, I wonder where all that surplus goes to...
12:34 Techrights-sec2; and zero-hour contracts
12:35 schestowitz-TR; now it has a catchy name, or overlapping concept, the "gig" "economy"
12:41 Techrights-sec2; dead link: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459&query=tridgell+won
12:41 Techrights-sec2; oops, this one works: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459
12:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070919214307459&query=tridgell+won )
12:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Want to meet four men who dared to fight MS -- and won?
12:46 schestowitz-TR; I have not heard of him in years
12:46 schestowitz-TR; a few years ago he got some special honours in his country
12:46 schestowitz-TR; dr. ...
12:46 schestowitz-TR; and some medal, iirc, for his work
12:46 schestowitz-TR; but I hardly see him anywhere in Linux circles
12:46 schestowitz-TR; not sure why
12:46 schestowitz-TR; alan cox sort of vanished some time after his partner had died
12:46 schestowitz-TR; not sure why either
12:46 schestowitz-TR; he was at intel for a bit
12:46 schestowitz-TR; and that was it
12:46 schestowitz-TR; the aussie (not california) andrew mortom is still there, but eerily quite
12:46 schestowitz-TR; *quite
12:46 schestowitz-TR; same for tso, but I still see him in the mailing lists and in events sometimes
12:46 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:46 Techrights-sec2; CoC
12:46 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:46 Techrights-sec2; he's been severely marginalized and the microsofters seem to be calling the
12:46 Techrights-sec2; shots
12:46 schestowitz-TR; norbert got in trouble for merely defending tso from an unproductive bully
12:46 schestowitz-TR; LT is still there, active but not very visible, standing on his last foot... and a very thin pair of legs
12:46 schestowitz-TR; I did show that his legs were rather above normal with muscle tissue just a couple of decades ago
12:48 schestowitz-TR; vmware is also microsofters
12:48 schestowitz-TR; they took over the management tied over a decade ago
12:48 schestowitz-TR; and then violated the GPL, too, according to an insider
12:48 schestowitz-TR; not the "the media" would say that
12:48 schestowitz-TR; that would be metaphorically like kicking a puppy
12:48 schestowitz-TR; (and an advertiser... shuit up you are being paid!)
12:48 Techrights-sec2; ack
12:48 schestowitz-TR; I got everything up to
12:48 schestowitz-TR; "shots
12:48 schestowitz-TR; ack"
12:48 schestowitz-TR; just about...
12:48 Techrights-sec2; that was it
12:49 schestowitz-TR; ok, I will get on witn links/articles, thanks for the chat
13:01 schestowitz-TR; Joys of parenting... https://robertheaton.com/soon-he-ll-be/
13:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-robertheaton.com | Soon hell be three and soon hell be twenty-one | Robert Heaton
13:15 Techrights-sec2; np
13:18 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Gulag is wearing the "Mozilla" robe https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/calling-for-antitrust-reform/ "It is true that companies like Apple and Google offer key privacy features"??????????????????? WHAT?
13:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Call for Antitrust Reform, Updated Competition Laws
13:28 Techrights-sec2; ack
13:28 Techrights-sec2; s/robe/skinsuit/
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16:53 schestowitz-TR; amazing
16:53 schestowitz-TR; I went to Gulag Noise
16:53 schestowitz-TR; did a search
16:53 schestowitz-TR; got 0 items of any use
16:53 schestowitz-TR; all I got was Microsoft site andti-Linux venom
16:53 schestowitz-TR; so in essense affirming that the only "contribution" of Gulag Noise to "Linux" is negative in that area
17:07 Techrights-sec2; as you see there is a lot of anti-linux spam
17:07 Techrights-sec2; unfortunately Google brings it to the forefront with its algorithms
17:07 Techrights-sec2; https://web.archive.org/web/20100412103546/https://google.com/bsd/
17:07 Techrights-sec2; https://web.archive.org/web/20110514040546/http://www.google.com/linux
17:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | <Bsd> - Google Search
17:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-web.archive.org | <Linux> - Google Search
17:07 schestowitz-TR; I remember those pages and mentioned it ina video the other day
17:07 Techrights-sec2; Google stopped being a useful service a long time ago and is now about
17:07 Techrights-sec2; manipulation of public opinion
17:09 schestowitz-TR; the way gulag implemented chromeOS was in some ways worse than Windoiws
17:09 schestowitz-TR; technically and login sense
17:09 schestowitz-TR; of course Microsot copied that later
17:12 schestowitz-TR; peopple arew meant to feel like guests on their own machines
17:12 schestowitz-TR; which I suppose is the "lab" mentality
17:12 schestowitz-TR; like computer lab
17:12 schestowitz-TR; when you pass a machine arounda
17:12 schestowitz-TR; and each person logs in with some roaming profile
17:12 schestowitz-TR; but if they raise kids to think of computing that way, then we have lots of re-training to do
17:12 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:12 Techrights-sec2; re-training won't work, look at how hard it is to overcome the brain damage
17:12 Techrights-sec2; that initial exposure to M$ at an early age causes, it may not be physical
17:12 Techrights-sec2; damage but the logic and functioning of the brain is permanently and irrevocably
17:12 Techrights-sec2; impaired
17:14 schestowitz-TR; fsf must have said something about this, but maybe not enough
17:14 schestowitz-TR; also, afaik gulag was a big sponsor several times in the past decade
17:14 schestowitz-TR; i know rms said a lot about gulag
17:14 schestowitz-TR; but when I met him he refused to say anything very strong about them
17:14 schestowitz-TR; I guess he memorises the "patrons" page ;-)
17:15 Techrights-sec2; that's why the "M$ First" strategy has been both so important to microsofters
17:15 Techrights-sec2; and so heavily emphasized
17:15 Techrights-sec2; It's not just about "being comfortable" with what is used first, it is about
17:15 Techrights-sec2; impairing the ability to work and think logically
17:15 Techrights-sec2; ... permanently
17:15 Techrights-sec2; :/
17:17 schestowitz-TR; i wonder how hard it is to dual boot/wipe/install cruoton on new chromebooks
17:17 schestowitz-TR; also, in canada and taiwan gnu/linux share rose sharply, not even counting chromeOS
17:17 schestowitz-TR; but maybe we need to write more about the chrome/chromeos minset
17:17 schestowitz-TR; I know a bit about chromeos, but my knowledge of it is outdated (machines ollder than 5 years)
17:17 Techrights-sec2; it is the leasing model applied to destkops / laptops
17:18 Techrights-sec2; https://mrchromebox.tech/
17:18 Techrights-sec2; check the list of supported devices. it is short in regards to recent hardware
17:18 Techrights-sec2; https://mrchromebox.tech/static/devices.html
17:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-MrChromebox.tech
17:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mrchromebox.tech | Supported Devices
17:18 Techrights-sec2; as 'Full ROM' goes ...
17:20 schestowitz-TR; OK, so Gulag has veered off in its own direction
17:20 schestowitz-TR; the "open" system mentality will go away in due course
17:20 schestowitz-TR; years ago you already have to open up the laptop and mess around with soldered in screwed
17:20 schestowitz-TR; *screws
17:21 Techrights-sec2; and in veering off, they are trying to take as much away with them as possible
17:21 Techrights-sec2; notably e-mail :/
17:21 Techrights-sec2; there is a glimmer of hope there related to the 'Right to Repair' movement
17:21 Techrights-sec2; but they are not cognizant of Software Freedom per se
17:22 schestowitz-TR; Windows is collapsing
17:22 schestowitz-TR; you might say, "get out of here"
17:22 schestowitz-TR; but a lot of people I know barely use a laptop or do not bother buying one
17:22 schestowitz-TR; it would be wrong to ignore those other issues UNTIL Windows is like 9% of the market
17:22 schestowitz-TR; it would be too late
17:23 Techrights-sec2; yes but now they've taken it further and soldered in the hard drive
17:23 Techrights-sec2; most fiddle with a smartphone for half an hour rather than complete the same
17:23 Techrights-sec2; task in 5 minutes on a laptop or desktop
17:23 Techrights-sec2; that's one of the reasons it is quite good (and important) that system76
17:23 Techrights-sec2; is opening up shop in the EU
17:24 schestowitz-TR; I thought about doing article/video about 5 or so people I know for sure they bribed for "reviews"
17:24 schestowitz-TR; 3 in youtube
17:24 schestowitz-TR; 2 in linux news sites
17:24 schestowitz-TR; I have reservations as they are not an evil company, it might be hp's idea, and that
17:24 schestowitz-TR; distracts from microsoft doing even worse things all the time
17:24 schestowitz-TR; thoughts?
17:42 Techrights-sec2; checking
17:42 Techrights-sec2; which 5 or so people?
17:42 Techrights-sec2; bribing them for reviews is an effective way of getting them out of the way
17:42 Techrights-sec2; by wiping their reputation
17:42 Techrights-sec2; and Gardiner, as one example, has not produced anything interesting or even
17:42 Techrights-sec2; noteworthy since selling out
17:42 schestowitz-TR; iirc, gardiner, linux expoeriment (yes, he was banned for it before), maybe learn linux tv, larabel, and liam dawe
17:44 Techrights-sec2; I suspect the theme is that M$ and the powers backing it continue to wish to
17:44 Techrights-sec2; prevent the public from getting a taste of GNU/Linux by any and all means
17:44 Techrights-sec2; they can
17:45 schestowitz-TR; this is different.
17:45 schestowitz-TR; around 2009 HP tried making its own distro
17:45 schestowitz-TR; months ago HP was pushing WSL
17:45 schestowitz-TR; then then got some grip on system76
17:45 schestowitz-TR; I don't know the nature of their agreement
17:45 schestowitz-TR; like how they split revenue
17:47 schestowitz-TR; at one point ms peters (now Microsoft) shilled for them
17:47 schestowitz-TR; and bill hilf was a manager there
17:47 schestowitz-TR; also, stephen walli goes back and forth
17:47 schestowitz-TR; HP is not an ally
17:48 Techrights-sec2; that includes subverting and destroying the distros and changing them
17:48 Techrights-sec2; into Windoze-like experiences
17:48 Techrights-sec2; some control must have happened
17:48 Techrights-sec2; back to the video mentioned the other day (https://youtu.be/zPt_e9Cdk08)
17:48 Techrights-sec2; one big difference was the unalloyed optimism displayed by those interviewed
17:48 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=zPt_e9Cdk08
17:48 Techrights-sec2; HP is an M$ booster and makes garbarge hardware still
17:48 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> invidious.flokinet.to | The Code: Story of Linux documentary (Multilingual) (HQ 50 fps) - Invidious
17:48 Techrights-sec2; the old HP of the 1980s is long gone, Fiorina killed off the last of that
17:51 schestowitz-TR; i think of hp laptop as compaq with another logo
17:51 schestowitz-TR; iirc, until years ago you could still find the older brand on some machines
17:51 Techrights-sec2; HP is an M$ booster and makes garbarge hardware still
17:51 Techrights-sec2; the old HP of the 1980s is long gone, Fiorina killed off the last of that
17:51 Techrights-sec2; and her residue persists to this day
17:52 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:53 Techrights-sec2; compaq was bought around 2002 and the name used until 2013 or so but
17:53 Techrights-sec2; afaik just the "name"
17:54 schestowitz-TR; lenovo is, afaik, still the leading oem in tghis space
17:54 schestowitz-TR; maybe the west will ban it next.,.. like huawei and xiaomi
17:54 Techrights-sec2; compaq buckled and failed and was sold off as (IMO) the direct result of
17:54 Techrights-sec2; trying to partner with M$
17:54 Techrights-sec2; lenovo is chinese
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18:55 schestowitz-TR; oTA
18:55 schestowitz-TR; I don't know how to best help to the ousting of the EPO Mafia
18:55 schestowitz-TR; for starters, the population needs to be aware
18:55 schestowitz-TR; for that to happen, the media MUST participate
18:55 schestowitz-TR; this is journalistic misconduct!
18:55 schestowitz-TR; WTO has meanwhile entirely canned suggestions of patent waiver
18:55 schestowitz-TR; nd nobody talks about it
18:55 schestowitz-TR; heck, nobody even talks about the surge in COVID cases
18:55 schestowitz-TR; they think 5 billion people getting infected is now "just the flu"
18:55 Techrights-sec2; agreed, they are complicit a this point due to having turned a blind eye to
18:55 Techrights-sec2; all the scandals, and even the basic problems, for so long
18:59 Techrights-sec2; there is collusion or something in apparently agreeing to not cover SARS-CoV-2
18:59 Techrights-sec2; \
19:02 schestowitz-TR; I argue differently
19:02 schestowitz-TR; there is no agreement
19:02 schestowitz-TR; no collusion
19:02 schestowitz-TR; the same people already own the media
19:02 schestowitz-TR; no need for agreement
19:02 schestowitz-TR; they coordinate many of these things at once
19:02 schestowitz-TR; to me, the media now engages in the same rheetorical BS it used to mock, condemn
19:02 schestowitz-TR; as if "it's just the flu"
19:02 schestowitz-TR; theie "afct checkers" used to dispute that
19:02 schestowitz-TR; now our gov. downplays it and lets it spread
19:02 schestowitz-TR; and keeps us in the dark re data/info
19:02 schestowitz-TR; the net outcome will be only further erosion of trust in one's gov
19:02 schestowitz-TR; and yield more disobeience not more obedience
19:03 Techrights-sec2; another area where the media goes out of its way to cause trouble is when
19:03 Techrights-sec2; it intentionally confuses and or conflates immmigtration, illegal immigration,
19:03 Techrights-sec2; human trafficking/smuggling, asylum, and so on
19:03 schestowitz-TR; [10:03] <techrights-news> "Deporting refugees to Rwanda has nothing to do with tackling people-trafficking" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/13/protests-erupt-after-uk-court-greenlights-plan-deport-asylum-seekers-rwanda | Source: Common Dreams
19:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Protests Erupt After UK Court Greenlights Plan to Deport Asylum-Seekers to Rwanda
19:04 Techrights-sec2; it causes all kinds of trouble and strife both domestically and internationally
19:04 Techrights-sec2; because they do that
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19:15 schestowitz-TR; people like immigration when it it another nation'\s brain drain, e.g. hungarians leaving for greener pastures
19:15 schestowitz-TR; but they don't call them the same thing
19:15 schestowitz-TR; there are racial connotations with each term
19:15 schestowitz-TR; overseas workers
19:15 schestowitz-TR; students on visas
19:15 schestowitz-TR; workers on visas
19:15 schestowitz-TR; refugees escaping war zones...
19:15 socrates; techrights articles are attracting corporate slaves now?
19:15 socrates; expats vs immigrants
19:16 schestowitz-TR; no, see context
19:16 schestowitz-TR; this channel is not techtrights
19:16 schestowitz-TR; [19:03] <schestowitz-TR> [10:03] <techrights-news> "Deporting refugees to Rwanda has nothing to do with tackling people-trafficking" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/13/protests-erupt-after-uk-court-greenlights-plan-deport-asylum-seekers-rwanda | Source: Common Dreams
19:16 schestowitz-TR; this is about politics
19:18 schestowitz-TR; anyway, going back on topic, I think we need to think what to do about EPO
19:18 schestowitz-TR; it is one area where we have "access" no other site has
19:26 Techrights-sec2; what about the M$ bribery cases in the African nations? That came up a few
19:26 Techrights-sec2; months ago and has been papered over.
19:26 schestowitz-TR; what is left to say about it, based on no news information
19:26 schestowitz-TR; *new information
19:27 Techrights-sec2; not sure, not much new information just more of the same, M$ goes unprosecuted
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and that TOO is not news
19:30 schestowitz-TR; that crime pays off
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and that the next day Microsoft can do press releases about some pro-worker spin
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and get 100 publishers in 50 countries to parrot it
19:30 Techrights-sec2; there was a strong EEE example recently , showing M$ is still as before,
19:30 Techrights-sec2; though I am struggling to recall.
19:30 Techrights-sec2; I'd say that the lack of coverage is itself minor news
19:32 Techrights-sec2; it illustrates the level of corruption present in the media and some of the
19:32 Techrights-sec2; control that M$ has over it
19:43 schestowitz-TR; working on text
19:43 schestowitz-TR; draft
20:00 Techrights-sec2; ack
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23:49 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HyOS1D2f-5A
23:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | Erling Haaland And Alf Inge Haaland,, Daddy And Son Skill! - Invidious
23:53 schestowitz; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xL5QSrGq7PY
23:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yewtu.be | The Reason Why Erling Haaland HATES Manchester United And Will NEVER Join The Red Devils - Invidious
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