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beginning of new day, June 13

00:45 schestowitz-TR; I've added list-rss-feed.sh to git

00:45 schestowitz-TR; not the list itself, but something that just flattens and sorts of opml

00:45 schestowitz-TR; this can be used to track additions of feeds over time

00:45 schestowitz-TR; for gemini we have two very long files, lists of xml feeds for gemini capsules

00:45 schestowitz-TR; the hope it to encourage people to use these


2 AM, June 13

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11 AM, June 13

11:07 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> This past weekend I've been hunting for RSS feeds. I'm shocked that some MSM sites became surprisingly small (very few original stories per day)

11:07 schestowitz-TR; btw, irc logs not posted yet

11:39 Techrights-sec2; IRC logs posted

11:39 schestowitz-TR; thanks, I'll post Daily Links now

11:39 schestowitz-TR; I'm still trying to net more and more RSS feeds

11:39 schestowitz-TR; identifying sites and sections that cover relevant topics, then pursuing feeds for these

11:39 schestowitz-TR; I find a ton of interesting things along the way

11:42 schestowitz-TR; is there something sensitive in the list of feeds (1150 or so in total, after dupe removal)? i've been trying to make a repeatable process with sorting to

11:42 schestowitz-TR; change-control the list, potentially, but realise some reveals stuff about the collector's taste

11:42 schestowitz-TR; I used to spend days hunting for RSS feeds, there's no authoritative source of an "OPML central" (which incidentally can be like DMOZ but for XML)

11:47 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:47 Techrights-sec2; the RSS feeds turn upwhen they turn up

11:52 schestowitz-TR; see /tmp/sorted-rss-feeds.txt

11:52 schestowitz-TR; output from list-rss-feed.sh

11:52 schestowitz-TR; just sent over as well

11:54 Techrights-sec2; ack

11:54 Techrights-sec2; is that generated with the latest version of the script?

11:56 schestowitz-TR; maybe I changed the filename a bit

11:59 Techrights-sec2; is that generated with the latest version of the script?

11:59 Techrights-sec2; check Git

11:59 schestowitz-TR; thanks

11:59 schestowitz-TR; (markdown works ok with git, xml with ordered sets and unordered sets is not git territories, hence no opml)

11:59 schestowitz-TR; checking git


noon, June 13

12:02 schestowitz-TR; hang on, trying to avert multitasking overload

12:02 schestowitz-TR; learning froma recent past mistake...

12:02 schestowitz-TR; I think a next chapter for us, which merits promotion, is the concept of moving away from cenralised platforms of all sorts and using rss to do the "legwo

12:02 schestowitz-TR; rk"

12:02 schestowitz-TR; which is not the same as gemini, in geminispace too there's a growing centralisation issue as some provide gemini "hosting" for "accounts"

12:02 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:06 schestowitz-TR; ok, pushed

12:06 schestowitz-TR; people are lazy

12:06 schestowitz-TR; or unfamiliar with rss

12:06 schestowitz-TR; anything to lower the entry barrier can put them OFF social control media

12:06 schestowitz-TR; they think they "need" that to know what's new

12:20 Techrights-sec2; checking

12:22 schestowitz-TR; "I recently discovered that my ISP was blocking the domain 'rt.com'. This is the domain of a 'sanctioned' media company, Russia Today. Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, this was a mainstream news source." gemini://gemini.susa.net/shocking_dns_nothingness.gmi

↺ gemini://gemini.susa.net/shocking_dns_nothingness.gmi

12:30 Techrights-sec2; ack

12:31 schestowitz-TR; slippery slope

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 1. "pirate" sites (only after lengthy court battles, in some nations)

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 2. "news" source we do not agree with

12:31 schestowitz-TR; ...


1 PM, June 13

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13:34 schestowitz-TR; draft

13:34 schestowitz-TR; I've just added a newer (shorter) one

13:34 schestowitz-TR; I think this subject is rarely explored

13:34 schestowitz-TR; In Gemini drawing a fake table is the only way

13:34 schestowitz-TR; with ''' (slanted)

13:34 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:34 Techrights-sec2; checking

13:34 Techrights-sec2; a regular HTML table would work there

13:34 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:41 Techrights-sec2; I seldom check youtube videos; even going in to specific known videos,

13:41 Techrights-sec2; they are filled with ads and you have to interact with the ad to get

13:41 Techrights-sec2; past it otherwise the video will not return. I'm a about completely

13:41 Techrights-sec2; done with youtube

13:42 schestowitz-TR; this morning while shaving I watched the latest video from robertson

13:42 schestowitz-TR; rianne makes fun of his voice, she cannot help it, says he sounds like female

13:42 schestowitz-TR; his video showed not much on the screen, but he pastes together many "takes"

13:42 schestowitz-TR; the video had little actual value because it was repetitive

13:42 schestowitz-TR; basically, arch good, but not for everything, coz hard...

13:42 schestowitz-TR; if you STILL want to watch youtube, do what rianne does and get librewold

13:42 schestowitz-TR; for now, at least, it rids you from lots of the crap

13:42 schestowitz-TR; she is glad to have lft firefox behind

13:42 schestowitz-TR; partly because of the viewing experience, while it lasts...

13:42 schestowitz-TR; afaik, yutube-dl and derivs are for downloading more than for streaming (yes, I know

13:42 schestowitz-TR; those are similar)

13:42 schestowitz-TR; if I see a video I really like, I download, keep, replay

13:43 Techrights-sec2; mosty empty commentary from him though sometimes on rare occasion quite

13:43 Techrights-sec2; insightful

13:43 Techrights-sec2; but the arch video was not one of the good ones

13:43 Techrights-sec2; youtube-dl still works most ofthe time but is very slow and can take an hour

13:43 Techrights-sec2; for a video that might be skipped sometimes after seeing the first seconds

13:43 Techrights-sec2; i see few of those and have no real way of properly cataloguing them

13:43 Techrights-sec2; there are on occasion those that I would prefer to bring public attention to

13:46 schestowitz-TR; there needs to be a IA/Wayback Machine for video

13:46 schestowitz-TR; I know they host videos, but that is not the same

13:46 schestowitz-TR; a lot of videos we linked to or used in techrgihts over the years are just blank slot now

13:46 schestowitz-TR; for some posts, the posts are rendered next to worthless, except near time of publicaiton

13:46 schestowitz-TR; like those that link to Lunduke videos

13:46 schestowitz-TR; he removed almost every video he ever made

13:47 Techrights-sec2; that had been Youtube before it was purchased

13:47 Techrights-sec2; LBRY is still there but is nearly 100% garbage,

13:47 Techrights-sec2; because of URLs it is still possible to point to useful material there

13:47 Techrights-sec2; but only if one comes in from the outside to a known good video

13:47 Techrights-sec2; searching and browsing will only bring garbage there

13:50 schestowitz-TR; LBRY seems like fakecoin inflation pump and dump

13:50 schestowitz-TR; with 'free' hosting as bait

13:50 schestowitz-TR; last night in gemini I saw a post about a similar platform that mandates you play the NFT spiel

13:50 schestowitz-TR; just to be admitted inside

13:50 schestowitz-TR; the way to go is peertube

13:50 schestowitz-TR; but unless it's a popular video with many peers it's too slow to get going

13:50 schestowitz-TR; even the blender instance of it was way too slow for me

13:50 schestowitz-TR; I did not try searching odysee, but I'm not too interested either

13:50 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't work in my browser of choice

13:51 Techrights-sec2; :(

13:51 Techrights-sec2; I've not used peertube, it's too slow :/

13:51 Techrights-sec2; Odysee is just a UI for LBRY the same comment applies there plus it is infected

13:51 Techrights-sec2; with gratuitious and useless javascript

13:55 schestowitz-TR; if the world's datacentres, CDNs and underwater cables can bear the load of gulagtube, netflix, iptv etc. then this is an allocaiton-of-capacity

13:55 schestowitz-TR; issue rather than a real technocal peril

13:55 schestowitz-TR; but "powers DAT BEEEE" like it the way it is and won't just give away the powers associated with centralisation and DRM

13:55 schestowitz-TR; better yet, with p2p you free up a lot of untapped capacity og bluetooth and wifi

13:55 schestowitz-TR; meshing for instance

13:55 schestowitz-TR; but efficiency isn't a priority, even for the so-called "green agenda" politicians

13:55 schestowitz-TR; they most resort to low-cost pandering with sound bites and distance-future promises, pledges

13:55 schestowitz-TR; apropos, give each person a 5 TB drive with "content", inc. wikipedia in all language, you'll help the planet vastly more

13:55 schestowitz-TR; than all those graft (boradbast access) programmes

13:55 schestowitz-TR; *brandband

13:55 Techrights-sec2; ack

13:55 Techrights-sec2; YaCy tried that but could not gain traction


2 PM, June 13

14:33 Techrights-sec2; https://yacy.net/

↺ https://yacy.net/

14:33 Techrights-sec2; maybe after the mythical OS upgrade we can run an instance of YaCy at TR,

14:33 Techrights-sec2; first for the site itself, later for documents pointed to in the daily links

14:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-yacy.net | Home - YaCy

14:34 schestowitz-TR; yes, more likle migration to a new container or VM

14:34 schestowitz-TR; which depends on the network too being configured to point to the new one when it is ready

14:34 schestowitz-TR; ipfs is a dht pollution machine

14:34 schestowitz-TR; akin to shitcoin with merkle trees

14:34 schestowitz-TR; I've grown dissatisfied

14:34 schestowitz-TR; the more you throw at it, the more it takes

14:34 schestowitz-TR; until you push the limits of hardware and network

14:34 schestowitz-TR; it's like a corporation :-)

14:34 schestowitz-TR; yes, more likle migration to a new container or VM

14:34 schestowitz-TR; which depends on the network too being configured to point to the new one when it is ready

14:56 Techrights-sec2; ack

14:57 schestowitz-TR; rss news have become calmer since not receiving microsofters in the feeds

14:57 schestowitz-TR; or spam or false positives

14:57 schestowitz-TR; I've just made some gemini fixes

14:57 schestowitz-TR; the trash there does exist, but it's not corporate trash

14:57 schestowitz-TR; just people with trash for brains sometimes

14:57 Techrights-sec2; ack

14:58 Techrights-sec2; checking


3 PM, June 13

15:00 schestowitz-TR; i also learned some git syntax in the process

15:00 schestowitz-TR; like how to watch a particular old version of a file

15:00 schestowitz-TR; git show commit-id:path-to-file/file

15:00 schestowitz-TR; I was trying to understand how a dupe in the imports crept in

15:01 schestowitz-TR; I tried to model an addition based on an existing one, forgot to delete the model

15:01 schestowitz-TR; didn't notice until now

15:01 schestowitz-TR; the page to use is AllInOne.gmi

15:01 schestowitz-TR; that compresses everything and organised it

15:01 Techrights-sec2; yes

15:01 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:02 schestowitz-TR; had we used rss software that is extensible, it would be possible to do processing there too

15:02 schestowitz-TR; the automated feeds already do that to some degree, e.g. dupe detection

15:03 schestowitz-TR; also the spamSites.pm detection/matching

15:03 Techrights-sec2; ack

15:03 Techrights-sec2; yes there is some caching in the RSS specification or at least a request

15:03 Techrights-sec2; for how often is the maximum update frequency

15:08 schestowitz-TR; if impelemneted correctly, rss files are cheap to send, cheaper than most images

15:08 schestowitz-TR; cacing rss is very eay

15:08 schestowitz-TR; you only attach a trigger even to new "content" adds, modify the file once

15:08 schestowitz-TR; a page with 50 images in it should be more cumbersome for a server than 50 requests for the same rss feed

15:08 Techrights-sec2; /if/ implemented correctly, some embed whole articles :/

15:14 schestowitz-TR; giving full article rss is good practice

15:14 schestowitz-TR; appreciate by many

15:14 schestowitz-TR; appreciated

15:14 schestowitz-TR; it can actually help performane

15:14 schestowitz-TR; and lower toll on your site

15:14 schestowitz-TR; because people do not go to the site to get css files sd such

15:14 schestowitz-TR; full rss, full story text

15:14 schestowitz-TR; the issue is, some fear it would be leveraged for scraping and plagiarism (as happens)

15:14 schestowitz-TR; some sites cannot deal too well with relative paths (e.g. for images), so it also helps to have images and attachment as

15:14 schestowitz-TR; "self-contained"

15:14 schestowitz-TR; full story rss is terrible for metrics like "pageviews"

15:14 schestowitz-TR; because some people onlye ven fetch xml filkes

15:14 schestowitz-TR; and not even per-page xml

15:14 schestowitz-TR; in those cases, one surrogate for view, assuming the rss reader can diusplay image, is number of requests for an image in that page/post

15:14 Techrights-sec2; except that those badly done RSS feeds seem to fetch images too

15:14 Techrights-sec2; ack

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4 PM, June 13

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5 PM, June 13

17:31 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m

↺ https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m

17:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Stuff like this is why I have to do things like get @schestowitz to re-host their crazy ass blog posts for posterity: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Create-stickiness-with-IP-Microsoft-Partner-Network.pdf"|nitter.it

http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Create-stickiness-with-IP-Microsoft-Partner-Network.pdf"|nitter.it

17:33 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m

↺ https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m

17:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Kevin Beaumont (@GossiTheDog): "apparently MS has my tweets monitored so I do plan to finish live tweeting seasons 4, 5 and 6 of Dawson's Creek for their entertainment"|nitter.it

17:34 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536116460359192576#m

↺ https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536116460359192576#m

17:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Kevin Beaumont (@GossiTheDog): "if u followed me for cybersecurity stuff, monday to fridays work hours i do boring cyber stuff, evenings is Love Island and Dawson's Creek, and Saturday and Sunday is video games."|nitter.it

17:34 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m

↺ https://nitter.it/GossiTheDog/status/1536118999221735426#m

17:34 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536378116137811968#m

↺ https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536378116137811968#m

17:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-mitchel lewis (@stautistic): "Totally a coincidence"|nitter.it

17:35 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m

↺ https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m

17:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "UPC in Slovenia, someone checked if the 2/3 majority requirement was followed, apparently not http://techrights.org/2022/06/12/another-reason-unified-patent-court-upc-is-a-hostile-coup-that-will-fail/"|nitter.it

http://techrights.org/2022/06/12/another-reason-unified-patent-court-upc-is-a-hostile-coup-that-will-fail/"|nitter.it

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6 PM, June 13

18:27 schestowitz-TR; I am adding some changed that I've just tested successfull (first go)

18:27 schestowitz-TR; successfully with a small caveat

18:27 schestowitz-TR; that affects pages where you can have up to 365 days listed

18:27 schestowitz-TR; and groups them into months

18:27 schestowitz-TR; ok, pushed

18:27 schestowitz-TR; the changes are simple enough to be self-explanatory

18:27 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m

↺ https://nitter.it/zoobab/status/1536253258821509120#m

18:27 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m

↺ https://nitter.it/stautistic/status/1536377800835289088#m

18:29 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:29 Techrights-sec2; ok

18:30 schestowitz-TR; I can clean my feeds a lot faster now, with gulkag removed

18:30 schestowitz-TR; and want to garden things more

18:30 schestowitz-TR; the highest priority iis OS migration, but there is a bottleneck who is in canada atm

18:30 Techrights-sec2; ack

18:30 Techrights-sec2; ack

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7 PM, June 13

19:16 schestowitz-TR; LOL

19:16 schestowitz-TR; Mozilla does it again

19:16 schestowitz-TR; go to the Mozilla blog

19:16 schestowitz-TR; Maybe Moz thinks that Firefox users in subsaharan africa are a copy of SF/Bay Area

19:16 Techrights-sec2; checking

19:16 Techrights-sec2; link?

19:16 Techrights-sec2; oh, I see. The themes of the interviews. Nothing about tech, it seems.

19:19 schestowitz-TR; wait, this sucks

19:19 schestowitz-TR; the eitorial presentation in the site and rss feed is not the same

19:19 schestowitz-TR; I need anothher 'angle' on this

19:19 schestowitz-TR; also see what I published re phoronix moments ago

19:19 schestowitz-TR; wow, mozilla does not advertise rss feedsat lacllk

19:19 schestowitz-TR; but plenty of buttons for facebook, twitter, gulag

19:19 schestowitz-TR; they don't give a shit about the web

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19:32 Techrights-sec2; no rss feed, looked at https://blog.mozilla.org/en/latest/ instead

↺ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/latest/

19:32 Techrights-sec2; Mozilla is to the web what LF is now to Linux

19:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Latest - The Mozilla Blog

19:32 schestowitz-TR; exactly! see my draft

19:32 schestowitz-TR; we thought the same

19:32 Techrights-sec2; checking

19:32 Techrights-sec2; probably ought to mention specifically what made Mozilla popular in the "old"

19:32 Techrights-sec2; days

19:32 Techrights-sec2; -- standards and a lean, modular, FOSS browser

19:44 schestowitz-TR; rephrased

19:44 schestowitz-TR; in draft

19:50 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Coronavirus Celebrated Jubilee https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/13/covid19-celebrated-jubilee/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/13/covid19-celebrated-jubilee/

19:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Coronavirus Celebrated Jubilee

19:53 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:55 schestowitz-TR; go celebrate with grandma liz (well, you paid for the party anyway... already.. through tax)

19:55 schestowitz-TR; don't worry if your own grandma died later because you gave her something

19:56 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:58 schestowitz-TR; across the road from us there is a stadium with ~50k seating capacity

19:58 schestowitz-TR; not counting the pitch

19:58 schestowitz-TR; they had 5 or 6 concerns here this month

19:58 schestowitz-TR; eo you can estimate how many "kids" passed near us

19:58 schestowitz-TR; rianne did a lot of the trips to town for food

19:58 schestowitz-TR; and she complained about how reckles these people are

19:58 schestowitz-TR; you would not know we're worse off than summer 2020 and 2021

19:58 schestowitz-TR; I showed it in my blog

19:58 Techrights-sec2; ack

19:58 Techrights-sec2; :(

19:58 Techrights-sec2; they are shortsighted and careless

19:59 schestowitz-TR; it might not kill them

19:59 schestowitz-TR; 'only' loved ones


8 PM, June 13

20:01 schestowitz-TR; to covid-19 they are not just superspreaders

20:01 schestowitz-TR; but "SUPERNODES"

20:01 schestowitz-TR; they are conduits through which to reach more vulnerable human tissues

20:01 schestowitz-TR; but the media is "tried" of THAT crisis

20:01 schestowitz-TR; *tired

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20:22 schestowitz-TR; )just did some housekeeping in TM: test local backup, messages (syslog), mysql.log; all OK. Just needed the affirmation)

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