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beginning of new day, July 12

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6 AM, July 12

06:09 schestowitz-TR; repairing db

06:09 Techrights-sec; tm-generate-feed.pl -v -d 20220711 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/

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06:32 Techrights-sec; tm-generate-feed.pl -d 20220712 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/ -x > /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/latest-news.html

06:33 schestowitz-TR; just tried that

06:33 schestowitz-TR; also finished repairing db

06:33 schestowitz-TR; this time it was a lot of work

06:33 schestowitz-TR; er really need to move the site soon

06:34 Techrights-sec; any word on the new VM ?

06:38 schestowitz-TR; I've just prodded again\

06:38 schestowitz-TR; gtg in a moment

06:38 schestowitz-TR; I was posting links and doind 4 things at the same time

06:38 schestowitz-TR; inc. db repair

06:38 schestowitz-TR; then forgot my thought/one todo item

06:38 schestowitz-TR; not a huge deal

06:38 schestowitz-TR; it was not critical

06:38 schestowitz-TR; I was also checking the TR backups

06:38 schestowitz-TR; almost all of them are fine

06:38 schestowitz-TR; almost

06:38 Techrights-sec; it does two variations, one HTML one Atom/XML:

06:38 Techrights-sec; tm-generate-feed.pl -d 20220712 -s -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ -r /var

06:38 Techrights-sec; /www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/ > /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/feed.xmlm

06:38 Techrights-sec; ok

06:38 Techrights-sec; \


7 AM, July 12

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8 AM, July 12

08:38 Techrights-sec; otr: probably a paid troll

08:38 schestowitz-TR; we seem to have a new troll in #techrights

08:38 schestowitz-TR; I am probing the motivations at the moment

08:39 schestowitz-TR; def. a troll, I can see now...

08:39 schestowitz-TR; will try to handle without mutes, just ignoring/mocking (like herr sixel)

08:39 schestowitz-TR; you can see scrollback if curious

08:39 schestowitz-TR; anyway, mjg is really under fire

08:39 schestowitz-TR; and I don't have to lift a finger

08:41 Techrights-sec; at least that is an improved situation

08:41 Techrights-sec; mjg helped cause the current situation which is now beginning to manifest

08:41 Techrights-sec; lenovo is the first of what will likely be many

08:41 Techrights-sec; or all

08:45 schestowitz-TR; as both dfc and I noted some hours ago in irc

08:45 schestowitz-TR; mjg silent...

08:45 schestowitz-TR; he wants to be seen as hero calling on lenovo to spot this

08:45 schestowitz-TR; after he did the damage

08:45 schestowitz-TR; i thinbk there is a term for this kind of behavious

08:45 schestowitz-TR; like you declare a war

08:45 schestowitz-TR; and then call for peace

08:45 schestowitz-TR; f* fsf tbh, for somehow giving him an open door to board and award

08:45 schestowitz-TR; how the fuck it happened?

08:45 schestowitz-TR; I think the corporate patronage

08:45 schestowitz-TR; mjg was their mole

08:45 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of eff shilling microsoft and giving AWARDS to the Microsoft privacy abusers

08:45 schestowitz-TR; so f* eff too!

08:45 schestowitz-TR; they\re not my frienbds

08:45 schestowitz-TR; apropos, you saw what I wrote about phroonix 2 hours ago

08:45 schestowitz-TR; f* him too

08:45 schestowitz-TR; amd = pluton, lenovo windows-only

08:45 Techrights-sec; :(

08:45 Techrights-sec; attention spans being what they are with most folks, it needs to be brought

08:45 Techrights-sec; up again and again that he was integral in causing this

08:45 Techrights-sec; if mjg joins deicaza or poettering, it would be no surprise.

08:45 Techrights-sec; ack

08:45 Techrights-sec; :(

08:46 Techrights-sec; attention spans being what they are with most folks, it needs to be brought

08:46 Techrights-sec; up again and again that he was integral in causing this

08:46 Techrights-sec; if mjg joins deicaza or poettering, it would be no surprise.

08:46 Techrights-sec; ack

08:46 schestowitz-TR; contrary to what microbell said last week, Mirosoft is NOT hiring

08:46 schestowitz-TR; maybe in exceptions it does

08:46 schestowitz-TR; I heard it from inside Microsoft

08:46 schestowitz-TR; they're in pain

08:50 schestowitz-TR; ----

08:50 schestowitz-TR; a) wait till CAs turns out to be the same

08:50 schestowitz-TR; b) same for sigstore

08:50 schestowitz-TR; I will have the last laugh!

08:50 schestowitz-TR; c) I try not to get angry over this, we wrote a lot on this subject already

08:50 schestowitz-TR; d) more EPO series coming later today, we have a LOT of good material about the "fucking president"

08:52 schestowitz-TR; ---

08:52 schestowitz-TR; social control media is a flamestorm that can redirect anger in an instance

08:52 schestowitz-TR; and make activism hard becayuse

08:52 schestowitz-TR; 1) compsusre

08:52 schestowitz-TR; 2) focus

08:52 schestowitz-TR; 3) you start insulting and cursing at people instead of focusing on the issues

08:52 schestowitz-TR; next company meeting in august, I just want colsure for this, but they don't want to pay compensation easily, so they will drag and drag

08:53 Techrights-sec; brigading is one of the problems which social control media is designed to enable

08:55 schestowitz-TR; maybe not originally designed for it

08:55 schestowitz-TR; that aside, a querstion worth studying

08:55 schestowitz-TR; like "highlighting" other users

08:55 schestowitz-TR; or "trending"

08:55 schestowitz-TR; I think those were added a lot later

08:55 schestowitz-TR; after it was no longer chronological timeline

08:55 schestowitz-TR; anyway, glad you too gave up on mastodon

08:55 schestowitz-TR; I see more people jumping on the badwagon of jumping OFF the badwagon

08:55 schestowitz-TR; I hope it'll implode like myspace

08:55 schestowitz-TR; FB will just be "meta"... something...

08:57 Techrights-sec; not originally but quickly optimized for it

08:57 Techrights-sec; mastodon is almost as much of a waste of time as twitter, and for most of

08:57 Techrights-sec; the same reasons


9 AM, July 12

09:00 schestowitz-TR; crude thoughts:

09:00 schestowitz-TR; joins identica 2009

09:00 schestowitz-TR; did not want to

09:00 schestowitz-TR; in irc, trmanco convinced me

09:00 schestowitz-TR; added twitter as "shadow" later

09:00 schestowitz-TR; posted via ping.fm IIRC, to both

09:00 schestowitz-TR; changed software to some adobe thing later, then choquok (KDE/Qt)

09:00 schestowitz-TR; it started gaining impact

09:00 schestowitz-TR; fast-forward 2019

09:00 schestowitz-TR; after making a lot of mess in the world twitter, joindiaspora and mastodon already dying

09:00 schestowitz-TR; fewer active users

09:00 schestowitz-TR; a lot less traffic

09:00 schestowitz-TR; people still assume it's 2014

09:00 schestowitz-TR; and won't let go because of addiction

09:00 Techrights-sec; most of what the social control media sites have going for them

09:00 Techrights-sec; is 1) the network effect, and 2) the misperception that it is a communications

09:00 Techrights-sec; medium

09:01 schestowitz-TR; for quite a few years I had an autorepondoer saying contact me via identica

09:01 schestowitz-TR; some relatives even created accounts there for it

09:01 schestowitz-TR; later changed to irc

09:10 Techrights-sec; there was a bit of news coverage for a while about how the UI was designed

09:10 Techrights-sec; and refined to be highly addictive and, at the same time, unproductive

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09:27 Techrights-sec; the "smartphone" "apps" are useless for finding and showing things;

09:27 Techrights-sec; lots of people have tried to show me stuff and end up just flickign around

09:27 Techrights-sec; almost aimlessly in hopes of finding what it was they thought they stored there

09:27 Techrights-sec; sometimes they find it after a while but never easily; worst most are under

09:27 Techrights-sec; the wrong assumption that the object (e.g. photo) they are searching for is

09:27 Techrights-sec; on their phone. There should be scare quote on "on" and "their" because it's

09:27 Techrights-sec; on a server and the phone is only held by them but operated by large companies

09:27 Techrights-sec; maemo was ok but that's a big reason why the board (m$) brought in Elop to

09:27 Techrights-sec; kill off the compan

09:27 schestowitz-TR; when alll you have is a "back buttom" and clown it's not meant to empoer the user in any way

09:27 schestowitz-TR; imagine running techrights from a tablet or phone

09:27 schestowitz-TR; btw, rianne used to post to tuxmahciens from a tablet

09:27 schestowitz-TR; it was like 4 times slower

09:27 schestowitz-TR; even switching between windows is a hassle

09:27 schestowitz-TR; nokia tried to fix this in maemo

09:28 Techrights-sec; By the way, is there a Patreon or Stripe account for Tux Machines?

09:30 schestowitz-TR; no, and outsourcing to such third parties seems risky to me

09:30 schestowitz-TR; maybe in the future we'll figure something out

09:30 schestowitz-TR; assuming only rianne works in the company and we barely make ends meet

09:30 schestowitz-TR; or maybe we'll take "patron" money from Gulag in exchange for inserting some MJG into the board [sic]

09:30 schestowitz-TR; to oust me ;-)

09:30 Techrights-sec; Some method for collecting donations ought to be set up.


10 AM, July 12

10:15 Techrights-sec; about.shtml and index.shtml are updated on the mockup

10:23 schestowitz-TR; just finishing off epo stuff

10:23 schestowitz-TR; in drafts now

10:23 schestowitz-TR; I'm trying to weed out mistakes

10:29 Techrights-sec; ack

10:31 schestowitz-TR; nice work on the front page and rss feed

10:31 schestowitz-TR; if pageloads are fast, then I suppose full text feeds are not as critical

10:31 schestowitz-TR; did you reuse a bit of my shell script?

10:31 schestowitz-TR; \

10:31 schestowitz-TR; it was only a prototype anyway

10:31 schestowitz-TR; like ways to determine time last modified

10:31 schestowitz-TR; but I guess the db overrised that method

10:32 schestowitz-TR; *rides

10:33 Techrights-sec; thanks, it still needs /lots/ of polish though

10:33 Techrights-sec; just some of the pieces not the script itself

10:33 Techrights-sec; yes there is a lot of change and discarding

10:33 Techrights-sec; I accidentally deleted a whole script yesterday as I was going to back it up

10:33 Techrights-sec; it took about 2/3 as long to do it again from scratch, but is probably short

10:33 Techrights-sec; er and more efficient this time around

10:33 Techrights-sec; It is possible to add in a last-modified time, too.

10:33 schestowitz-TR; (off-topic: i quite like it when people call me a microsoft hater or say I am obssessed and then go to techrights

10:33 schestowitz-TR; and it's aall about corruption not related to Microsoft; which discredited the ad hom very fast)

10:34 Techrights-sec; Can you trouble Rianne to take a look and give some ideas or feedback about

10:34 Techrights-sec; the mock up?

10:34 Techrights-sec; The system does not have inotify / incron so the update has to be run manually.

10:34 Techrights-sec; tm-add-entry-sql.pl;

10:37 schestowitz-TR; calling rianne from the kitchen (just had breakfast)

10:37 schestowitz-TR; btw, nodes will def. get updated with followup, buming them up upon update would be good, maybe latest addition to node

10:37 schestowitz-TR; shown on top

10:37 schestowitz-TR; we can extend all this to figure out how to best edit events and ongoing stories

10:38 Techrights-sec; tm-extract-posts-sql.pl -f -v -b /var/www/tuxmachines.org/htdocs/n/ ;

10:38 Techrights-sec; navigation is still missing but I'd like to hear about the core first

10:38 Techrights-sec; Parkinson's Law applies to CMS design and scripting in general, severely

10:38 Techrights-sec; ok

10:45 schestowitz-TR; hang on..

10:45 schestowitz-TR; I have just

10:45 schestowitz-TR; a) shown front page

10:45 schestowitz-TR; b) show how we add a node (android)

10:45 schestowitz-TR; c) tried to run an opdate

10:45 schestowitz-TR; tried to open individual "node" (did not succeed)

10:45 schestowitz-TR; rss has validation error atm

10:45 schestowitz-TR; but she is OK with it

10:45 schestowitz-TR; I told her she'd run it with rianne option

10:47 Techrights-sec; here is the workflow the last three steps would be automated with incron:

10:47 Techrights-sec; workflow-notes.text

10:47 Techrights-sec; ok

10:48 schestowitz-TR; running the commants,it takes less than 1 sec on the SBC

10:48 schestowitz-TR; on the server it would be faster

10:48 schestowitz-TR; I guess post length is not the bottleneck

10:48 Techrights-sec; ok new bugs

10:48 Techrights-sec; yes it would be faster on a real computer, the post lenght would not affect

10:48 Techrights-sec; that speed

10:59 schestowitz-TR; great job, I like it

10:59 schestowitz-TR; as logn as perl is around and some basic tools like sqlite the technical debt will be minimal

10:59 schestowitz-TR; even repairing the site should not be hard

10:59 schestowitz-TR; backups would probably be just rsync

10:59 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines almost never has any filkes uploaded

10:59 schestowitz-TR; for TR we caN CREATE A WHOLE NEW irc SECTION WITH AUTOMATION IN it

10:59 schestowitz-TR; sorry, caps

10:59 schestowitz-TR; wordpress should not be needed for a secttion such as this (ipfs already has its own section, videos too)

10:59 schestowitz-TR; working on epo articles atm


11 AM, July 12

11:00 Techrights-sec; sqlite will be around and perl5 will eventually transition to perl7 but

11:00 Techrights-sec; it might be possible to take the time to redo the individual scripts

11:00 Techrights-sec; later as python or raky

11:00 Techrights-sec; ^aku

11:00 Techrights-sec; ^raku

11:01 schestowitz-TR; "old" tuxmachines can just be restored with 'factory restore' dDB dump

11:01 schestowitz-TR; if it has issues

11:02 Techrights-sec; btw which external feeds should it show besides 9to5Linux ?

11:02 Techrights-sec; yes

11:02 Techrights-sec; btw which external feeds should it show besides 9to5Linux ?

11:03 schestowitz-TR; if that's for 'padding' the sidebars (or similar), we can use opml files later

11:03 schestowitz-TR; or copy across the feeds from "old" TM

11:03 schestowitz-TR; those can be good for SEO reasons

11:04 schestowitz-TR; stuffing more words in a page about a short node

11:09 schestowitz-TR; noting to self: on TR we can delay the same, starting with new section for IRC posts

11:09 schestowitz-TR; no need for social control media "cards" (image previews), it is a dying medium anyway

11:09 schestowitz-TR; the github stuff or other "leaks" can maybe be adapted as well for a static cms style

11:09 schestowitz-TR; but I don't know how yet...

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noon, July 12

12:36 schestowitz-TR; ota

12:36 schestowitz-TR; draft

12:36 schestowitz-TR; this is about more than epo

12:36 schestowitz-TR; about intl labour

12:36 schestowitz-TR; about europe

12:36 schestowitz-TR; about patents

12:36 Techrights-sec; checking

12:36 Techrights-sec; in the summary, /what/ was discoverd late?

12:36 Techrights-sec; too many commans and parentheses

12:36 schestowitz-TR; thanks, working tro correct what you pointed otu while vieo processes


1 PM, July 12

13:06 Techrights-sec; thanks

13:06 Techrights-sec; Devices/Embedded: Small SBC and Arduino

13:06 Techrights-sec; ^otr : wrong paste

13:06 Techrights-sec; thanks

13:06 Techrights-sec; Devices/Embedded: Small SBC and Arduino

13:06 Techrights-sec; ^otr : wrong paste

13:08 schestowitz-TR; scrollback has a lot more

13:08 schestowitz-TR; or wait till tomorrow's daily irc logs, starts circa 1pm gmt

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13:12 schestowitz-TR; drizzle here

13:12 schestowitz-TR; we need some of that

13:12 schestowitz-TR; humid though

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13:45 schestowitz-TR; i am rsyncing TR uploads dir at the moment

13:45 schestowitz-TR; all of it

13:45 schestowitz-TR; before FS repair

13:45 schestowitz-TR; just in case

13:45 schestowitz-TR; tons of critical assets there (more info and context in irc)

13:45 Techrights-sec; good idea

13:45 schestowitz-TR; regarding experiemntce with xfs_repair

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> ah, that's whyt

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> hmm i see

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> actually, i think this is not so bad.

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> phew

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> this xfs log notice is old

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> so i guess repairing the xfs filesystem will fix it

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> since january 6th (yes, we checked exact date) some backup gz files were failing

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> in april we started having tm db issues, it's the only db hosted locally

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> yeah that's when we did a reboot on the SAN

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> i think

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> okay

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> well nbd

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> i'll fix it

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> at one point one file became empty file, but that was back in april, seen no such issue since

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> tomorrow night

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> the san reboot was february

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> oh, was it?

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> okay

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> well

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> yeah, I checked the dates

13:46 schestowitz; <Ariadne> easy enough to fix

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> :D

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> I was worried

13:46 schestowitz; <schestowitz[TR]> even scanned the sizes of all files


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5 PM, July 12

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17:36 schestowitz; https://www.fosslife.org/how-prevent-memory-leaks-java

↺ https://www.fosslife.org/how-prevent-memory-leaks-java

17:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fosslife.org | How to Prevent Memory Leaks in Java

17:36 schestowitz; "

17:36 schestowitz; Memory leaks occur when an application accidentally hangs on to object references that are no longer necessary, explains Joydip Kanjilal, and over time these leaks can lead to performance degradation.

17:36 schestowitz; This programming tutorial covers memory leaks in Java, including why they occur despite Javas garbage collection capability and how you can prevent them.

17:36 schestowitz; "


6 PM, July 12

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18:21 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft: get busy, regulators, with "GAFA"... while we too spy even more than "GAFA" and also commit a ton of crimes... including against GNU/Linux (which we claim to "love" to keep you asleep)

18:21 schestowitz-TR; Why is Microsoft absent from this? Have the bribes paid off? Paid politicians? Paid press? https://techpolicy.press/u-s-antitrust-reform-is-necessary-to-defend-global-human-rights/

↺ https://techpolicy.press/u-s-antitrust-reform-is-necessary-to-defend-global-human-rights/

18:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techpolicy.press | U.S. Antitrust Reform Is Necessary to Defend Global Human Rights

18:21 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- techpolicy.press | U.S. Antitrust Reform Is Necessary to Defend Global Human Rights

18:22 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Public Access is already infiltrated by Microsoft (the Board), but is Access Now also infiltrated to distract and deflect?


9 PM, July 12

21:07 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> LOLOLOLOL! Kaiku shoots its own foot by outsrcing payment processing to a crime syndicate called Microsoft https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2022-07-11_github_sponsors/

↺ https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2022-07-11_github_sponsors/

21:07 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.haiku-os.org | Haiku, Inc. Now Accepting Donations Through GitHub Sponsors | Haiku Project

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21:57 schestowitz-TR; This is 100% about Microsoft and 100% about Windows; notice how they evade the mention of that, as Microsoft failed to patch and it's already actively exploited; CISA is like a Microsoft front, shielding the NSA's back doors https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/12/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog

↺ https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/12/cisa-adds-one-known-exploited-vulnerability-catalog

21:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds One Known Exploited Vulnerability to Catalog | CISA


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