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06:20 schestowitz-TR; do you have any recent experience with quiterss refusing to start?
06:21 schestowitz-TR; it just crashes no matter what
06:21 schestowitz-TR; IIRC< rianne had a similar problem when she killed it
06:21 schestowitz-TR; and the only way to 'fix' it back then was to copy another set of configs into the approporiate directtories, copying mine to hers
06:21 schestowitz-TR; the traces do not show if it is related to the DB
06:21 schestowitz-TR; it just outright refuses to start this morning
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07:12 Techrights-sec2; I've not had QuiteRSS crash like that but it does crash often
07:12 Techrights-sec2; I try to keep backups of the feed list too
07:12 Techrights-sec2; I'm not sure of other methods, I just export periodically
07:13 schestowitz-TR; I've just managed to get it started again, after failing to repair it with sqlite3
07:13 schestowitz-TR; I just copied in an old DB from backup
07:13 schestowitz-TR; far from ideal
07:13 schestowitz-TR; lost the changes I made in recent times, now I might overcompensate by adding a ton of feeds
07:13 schestowitz-TR; this also means my upc 'research' for this past week is kaput
07:13 schestowitz-TR; the cost of technical issue, I guess
07:13 schestowitz-TR; how can you get a list of feeds without exporting opml periodically?
07:13 schestowitz-TR; I looked at the raw DB file, it's hard to work with at that level
07:13 schestowitz-TR; do you mind sending me your opml or is that too private?
07:13 schestowitz-TR; I think it was long overdue for me to 1) not aste b/w getting lots of patent feeds I barely bother checking
07:13 schestowitz-TR; 2) improve s/n ratio by adding more proper feeds, if I can find any...
07:14 Techrights-sec2; I'll send it. Just a minute
07:14 Techrights-sec2; see /tmp/QuiteRSS-feeds-2022-06-12.opml here
07:29 schestowitz-TR; wow, this is a great list
07:29 schestowitz-TR; I think I can almost just dump Gulag News [sic] completely now, except for words like "Linux" it sometimes
07:29 schestowitz-TR; yields useful thinks for tuxmachines
07:38 Techrights-sec2; np
07:41 schestowitz-TR; you made this a 'blessing in disguise' moment
07:41 schestowitz-TR; as I knew a change was well overdue anyway
07:41 schestowitz-TR; I maybe lost 5-10 feeds I had added since this backup I retored to
07:41 schestowitz-TR; and nothing important, some rather dodgy howto-centric blogs
07:41 schestowitz-TR; I'm thinking now what feeds to dump other than patent ones
07:41 Techrights-sec2; I 'ought' to write a better RSS reader but like with the other things am too
07:41 Techrights-sec2; lazy
07:41 Techrights-sec2; most people use a CMS and nearly every CMS instance now supports RSS or Atom
07:45 schestowitz-TR; bypassing planets is hard
07:45 schestowitz-TR; some blogrolls list all the pertinent rss feeds
07:45 schestowitz-TR; but those too need to be copies manually
07:45 schestowitz-TR; unless the planet "gives away the sauce" (OPML)
07:45 Techrights-sec2; ack
07:55 schestowitz-TR; I need to rethink the whole way we do feeds
07:55 schestowitz-TR; I alrwady have last_rss running locally, maybe I can cobble something together, for _some_ feeds
07:55 schestowitz-TR; surely there must be a BETTER way than what I did until last night
07:55 schestowitz-TR; and this incident is a perfect catalyst
07:56 Techrights-sec2; it would be feasible, without learning antyhing new, to generate a large
07:56 Techrights-sec2; HTML page from the feeds with each entry containing a link to the real article
07:56 Techrights-sec2; It would not be too different from the current automated feeds in function
07:59 schestowitz-TR; yes, the judgment for classification is partly done by the categories
07:59 schestowitz-TR; without any neuristics
07:59 schestowitz-TR; google news got so bad that almost anything with a *reach* wide enough would be better
07:59 schestowitz-TR; and not pollute results with microsoft.com and "Microsoft on The Issues"
07:59 schestowitz-TR; among other crap
07:59 schestowitz-TR; I need a quick nap and also to take the fish downstairs, rianne cleaned their tank
07:59 schestowitz-TR; bbib
07:59 schestowitz-TR; then we'll cycle
07:59 Techrights-sec2; ack
08:00 schestowitz-TR; ok, today's project won't be
08:00 schestowitz-TR; a) feed cleaning
08:00 schestowitz-TR; b) articles
08:00 schestowitz-TR; c) upc
08:56 schestowitz-TR; of note: I mostly used google alerts to track epo matters, but 90%+ of it was noise/lies
08:56 schestowitz-TR; and it was just a backup for things rss did not catch
08:57 schestowitz-TR; getting rid of both saves a lot of time
08:57 schestowitz-TR; bbl
08:57 schestowitz-TR; slight delay in cycling/leaving
08:57 schestowitz-TR; so I've made up my mind about making alternatives, for FOSS/Linux topics, to Google
08:57 schestowitz-TR; many people still rely on Google to curate such news
08:57 schestowitz-TR; and I trust Google less than ever
08:57 schestowitz-TR; it's pushing DRM, Chrome etc.
08:57 schestowitz-TR; and omits a ton of legit news sources
08:57 schestowitz-TR; it got so bad that they try very hard to hide rss support
08:57 schestowitz-TR; if they still have that at all
08:57 Techrights-sec2; ack
08:57 Techrights-sec2; startpage is just a front-end for Google
08:58 Techrights-sec2; "secuirity" boulevard is anti-FOSS propaganda and promotes anti-security by
08:58 Techrights-sec2; pushing Windoze
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10:41 Techrights-sec2; yes RSS is still decentralized and thus a (minor) threat to their control
10:41 Techrights-sec2; and gatekeeping
10:42 schestowitz-TR; OK, so I was thinking (back now), maybe I can add all my feeds that are easy to parse... to the script lastrss?
10:43 schestowitz-TR; OK, so I was thinking (back now), maybe I can add all my feeds that are easy to parse... to the script lastrss?
10:43 schestowitz-TR; I think it is designed to work on a once-a-day basis, cutoff based on date?
10:43 Techrights-sec2; yes though it would need to be manually configured for each feed
10:46 Techrights-sec2; there are over 500 feeds in the current QuiteRSS opml file
10:46 Techrights-sec2; I'm think that maybe a different script would work: one that fetches the
10:46 Techrights-sec2; feeds, culls based on date, and then displays the results as an HTML document
10:46 Techrights-sec2; with active hyperlinks to the listed items
10:52 schestowitz-TR; Given the existing framework, would that be very labour-intensive? If the result of some items is not legible, I can just skip that
10:53 schestowitz-TR; but ultimately the goal is to wean people off the centralised stuff
10:53 schestowitz-TR; Thinking while cycling, there's not really anything CRUCIAL (the "big" story), I'd not see without Google News
10:53 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later the stories get picked up elsewhere
10:53 schestowitz-TR; and Google gives me a lot of troll-ish results from Microsoft-connected sites
10:53 schestowitz-TR; I rarely get annoying news from "proper" sites
10:53 schestowitz-TR; Google News is not RSS
10:53 schestowitz-TR; Google News became some sort of deranking and curation machine (removing based on commercial and political goal)
10:53 schestowitz-TR; social control media-like algorithms
10:53 schestowitz-TR; with an RSS feed on top
10:53 schestowitz-TR; though every few years they break it
10:53 schestowitz-TR; and then you have to try harder and harder to get an rss feed for it
10:53 schestowitz-TR; they change the APIsx
10:53 schestowitz-TR; leading by example by leaving ALL og Google behind has long relied on me having a lot of RSS feeds, to compensate for narrowwe vista
10:53 Techrights-sec2; it would take time but not be that much of a challenge otherwise
10:53 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:54 Techrights-sec2; as mentioned most rss feeds are the side effect of people using a CMS for
10:54 Techrights-sec2; publishing
10:56 Techrights-sec2; depending on how one measures 40% to 60% of sites use WP
10:57 schestowitz-TR; this can change in the future
10:57 schestowitz-TR; the other "Linux" syndication sites are struggling
10:57 schestowitz-TR; maybe among sites that use a cms
10:57 schestowitz-TR; many sites do not
10:57 schestowitz-TR; and they are not that important or active
10:58 Techrights-sec2; not that many remain which don't use some kind of CMS
10:58 schestowitz-TR; true, on a relative scale
10:58 schestowitz-TR; I'm not even sure a cms is a good pricatice anymor
10:58 schestowitz-TR; econsidering what some cms software is like
10:59 schestowitz-TR; some
10:59 Techrights-sec2; some CMS can be good, but most aren't
10:59 Techrights-sec2; of the ones that are actually at least somewhat beneficial, I suspect that
10:59 Techrights-sec2; most would be static site generators
11:06 schestowitz-TR; TR uses a 'static' CMS for Gemini and for videos etc.
11:06 Techrights-sec2; yes
11:12 schestowitz-TR; for many years wordpress imported a lot of crap
11:12 schestowitz-TR; started with small stuff like markup libs
11:12 schestowitz-TR; and the editor (like buttons for bold)
11:12 schestowitz-TR; later came Facebook frameworks
11:12 schestowitz-TR; which became problematic to the GPL
11:12 schestowitz-TR; Matt Mullenweg spoke about this
11:12 schestowitz-TR; b2 was super slim and slnder
11:12 schestowitz-TR; so simple that my blog in 2004 had massive pages due to a lack of pagination feature for categories
11:12 schestowitz-TR; you could download wordpress 3.9.x and then 6.0.x
11:12 schestowitz-TR; then uncompress and count the files
11:12 schestowitz-TR; no matter system-level dependencies
11:12 schestowitz-TR; wordpress used to be so small you could memorise all the file names and know where to change what...
11:13 schestowitz-TR; then came theming
11:13 schestowitz-TR; complexity can cause problems down the road
11:13 schestowitz-TR; like 500MB or RAM Microsoft Office to write a simple letter
11:13 schestowitz-TR; and then you find a 50MB program or some browser tab and realise it does the same cheaply and more quickly
11:13 schestowitz-TR; most wordpress blogs will never exceed 50 blog posts, maybe without even any images or formatting
11:13 schestowitz-TR; 500 files for what could be 50 static files is bad tradeoff
11:13 schestowitz-TR; and then worry about opening support tickets when the DB breaks etc.
11:13 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:13 Techrights-sec2; yes the actual blog takes fewer kB than the software in which it is encumbered
11:19 schestowitz-TR; restarting httpd in TM, there is heavy load
11:19 schestowitz-TR; just waiting for a write operation (add node) to finish
11:19 schestowitz-TR; to reduce risk of breakdage
11:20 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:20 Techrights-sec2; I was just about to ask
11:20 Techrights-sec2; about it
11:20 Techrights-sec2; graceful restart is the way to go then
11:20 Techrights-sec2; apache2ctl graceful
11:20 Techrights-sec2; that prevents new connections until all the old ones have concluded and
11:20 Techrights-sec2; then at that point it restarts the daemon
11:22 schestowitz-TR; it worked OK
11:24 Techrights-sec2; "Remote end closed connection without response"
11:24 Techrights-sec2; ok
11:27 schestowitz-TR; with google news we face the same obstacle as those who try to make a "new" search engine
11:27 schestowitz-TR; and then realise they cannot sail the whole ocean (web) and thus end up making clones
11:27 schestowitz-TR; inheriting the same bias
11:27 schestowitz-TR; so any "third-party" Google News thing would miss the point
11:27 schestowitz-TR; I am still looking and drooling at my feeds, maybe to figure out how to manage the thing
11:27 schestowitz-TR; it is the most time-consuming activity
11:27 schestowitz-TR; and many are not news, they're things like "system76... now in Europe"... which is borderline
11:27 schestowitz-TR; marketing cruft
11:28 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:28 Techrights-sec2; system76 opening in Europe is actually an important event becaue it means
11:28 Techrights-sec2; that it is so much easier to get hardware with FOSS operating systems
11:28 Techrights-sec2; pre-installed; yes, technically, it is possible to get their machines
11:28 Techrights-sec2; but the shipping and other problems mean that it is not economically feasible
11:28 Techrights-sec2; and one is taking a huge risk and counting on zero problems with the hardware
11:28 Techrights-sec2; out of the box.
11:29 schestowitz-TR; slimbook, TUX, others also exist and the money would not got o hp
11:29 Techrights-sec2; Slimbook is good, too. Though AFAIK the system76 hardware
11:29 Techrights-sec2; is better even if both are running the antiquated x86 architecture
11:34 schestowitz; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Joins-OSFF <- TWEET ... as ARTICLE
11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LinuxBoot Joins The Open-Source Firmware Foundation - Phoronix
11:36 schestowitz-TR; ok, to summarise (to self at least)
11:37 schestowitz-TR; no more google news here, rianne will still look for tuxmachines
11:37 schestowitz-TR; all patent feeds disabled
11:37 schestowitz-TR; they are not good for the composure/mood anyway, I will check manually a few sites
11:37 schestowitz-TR; no social control media
11:37 schestowitz-TR; so we have combined, other links, automated, and rss feeds in quiterss
11:37 schestowitz-TR; while showering I asked myself, what if I saw no links inside phoronix
11:37 schestowitz-TR; the net yield there is low, I mostly get a few kernel mailing list and git commit links there
11:37 schestowitz-TR; and many are x86 junk
11:37 schestowitz-TR; that I'd not want to promote anyway
11:37 schestowitz-TR; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Boot-Joins-OSFF <- TWEET ... as ARTICLE
11:37 schestowitz-TR; when the SOLE source for the article is a "tweet" (also LF stuff, separate issue) there is no way
11:37 schestowitz-TR; I can even add the source to daily links
11:37 schestowitz-TR; same for git commits or mailing list message for kernel/mesa
11:37 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:37 Techrights-sec2; x86 /is/ junk
11:37 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:37 Techrights-sec2; faux journalism
11:37 Techrights-sec2; some commit messages are adequate as sources though those tend to be over
11:37 Techrights-sec2; at OpenBSD
11:40 schestowitz-TR; if you head over to lkml or other ML mirrors, you will see s/n ratio rather poor and titles rather meaningless
11:40 schestowitz-TR; so it's not suitable as is
11:40 schestowitz-TR; this is where phoronix used to step in
11:40 schestowitz-TR; but he prioiritises AMD patchsets
11:40 schestowitz-TR; I used toi think because he specialised in that
11:40 schestowitz-TR; but now I think he has a sicth sense for $$
11:40 schestowitz-TR; so you inherit a bias, might be motivated by $, which you yourself are not connected to or benefit from
11:43 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:47 schestowitz-TR; youtube is an avalanche atm
11:47 schestowitz-TR; I use rss feeds to follow some channels there
11:47 schestowitz-TR; they have not been as active lately
11:47 schestowitz-TR; I guess not much financial incentive
11:47 schestowitz-TR; seeing the net views per effort put in
11:47 schestowitz-TR; and bryant is posting "shorts" like some z-gen tiktocker
11:47 schestowitz-TR; *tokker I guess
11:47 schestowitz-TR; spamnil has literally put his entire channel at risk
11:47 schestowitz-TR; youtube DID help bring audiences before
11:47 schestowitz-TR; AND spent money paying creators, doing events for them
11:47 schestowitz-TR; then it just sort of stopped
11:47 schestowitz-TR; I think around 2017 when honeymoon/bubble was ending
11:47 schestowitz-TR; youtube is not a charitable effort
11:47 schestowitz-TR; same for clownflare
11:47 schestowitz-TR; wait till they try to cash in
11:49 Techrights-sec2; youtube has not provided anything useful that was not linked to from outside
11:49 Techrights-sec2; it's "discovery" algorithm is worse than ever
11:49 Techrights-sec2; youtube is not sustainable because the volume of archived material grows
11:49 Techrights-sec2; and its availability is essential in the value / perceived value of the service
11:49 Techrights-sec2; yet the income does not grow in proportion to storage and bandwidth costs, or
11:49 Techrights-sec2; so I would guess
11:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:53 schestowitz-TR; to users, the long-term "reliable' storage andf availability of old material is a big selling point
11:53 schestowitz-TR; however, as you put it, youtube revenue must grow in proportion to the cost of storage/availability, no matter how stale and rarely-accessed
11:53 schestowitz-TR; tat stuff it
11:53 schestowitz-TR; that means RAID and inflow of new storage devices, which became more expensive due to inflation in spite of Moore's 'law'
11:53 schestowitz-TR; so one option is, "we delete your videos older than [x] years" (unless you pay us, like Vimeo)
11:53 schestowitz-TR; the other option is, drive away all your loyal "creators"
11:53 schestowitz-TR; they chose the second option
11:58 schestowitz-TR; lol
11:58 schestowitz-TR; fossbytes has taken it to new extremes
11:58 schestowitz-TR; they use wordpress afaik, but went out of their way to block rss
11:58 schestowitz-TR; instead they advertise facebook
11:58 schestowitz-TR; "foss"
11:58 schestowitz-TR; BITES!
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12:11 schestowitz-TR; I try to see what in google news I might miss
12:11 schestowitz-TR; they explain how to put SLACK on CHROMEbook
12:11 schestowitz-TR; "FOSS"
12:11 schestowitz-TR; nothing to be missed here
12:11 schestowitz-TR; that's why I deleted their feed years ago
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15:43 schestowitz-TR; zero google
15:43 schestowitz-TR; I'm google-free today
15:43 schestowitz-TR; the next challenge will be adding more feeds, maybe prefilter them for topic somehow
15:43 schestowitz-TR; btw, js articls, esp. about frameworks like "vue", are considered off topic
15:43 schestowitz-TR; because I see many of these and linkig to these can encourage their use
15:43 schestowitz-TR; I see them as a rival (to real software)
15:45 schestowitz; First impression: less FUD, less false positive, more time to actually research and find on-topic stuff that's not secretly funded by Microsoft or advertising contracts for proprietary junk.
16:03 Techrights-sec2; ack
16:03 Techrights-sec2; yes 'frameworks' are malevolent
16:06 schestowitz-TR; Geerling uses Mac :/
16:06 schestowitz-TR; I see you skipped that one
16:06 Techrights-sec2; Yes he often uses a macintosh, those can be ignored but many times he
16:06 Techrights-sec2; actually does something interesting and/or useful with GNU/Linux on RPi
16:08 schestowitz-TR; I've used Google Alerts/News since they were introduced
16:08 schestowitz-TR; I think this is the first time I work without these
16:30 schestowitz-TR; EU Commission site = proprietary JS and empty pages. They do not intend to fix this. EUIPO is the same.
16:30 schestowitz-TR; I don't think European browsers can handle this unless they clone some American browser
16:30 schestowitz-TR; with 30,000,000+ lines of code
16:30 schestowitz-TR; and even then, it is not secure
16:55 schestowitz-TR; do you think it would be worth running silters and silces through many rss feeds with keywords?
16:55 schestowitz-TR; in the gui of quiterss there is no room for automation
16:55 Techrights-sec2; no
16:55 Techrights-sec2; just searching for the presence or absence of strings is quite ineffective
16:55 Techrights-sec2; or an in-depth article can be very informative without actually naming
16:55 Techrights-sec2; what you were searching for with the specific string expected
16:56 schestowitz-TR; right, I take your work for it. e.g. this x is "Available for Windoww, Mac, and Linux" does not give high specificity
16:58 schestowitz-TR; the lack of "Web Directories" is a big problem
16:58 schestowitz-TR; stuff used to be catalogued better before people were brainwashed into "google it!"
16:58 schestowitz-TR; I stil,l turn to wikipedia first if possible
16:58 schestowitz-TR; then searx.be
16:59 Techrights-sec2; what really helps are very formally structured "newspaper-style" articles
16:59 Techrights-sec2; where the summary is /always/ in the same paragraph etc
16:59 Techrights-sec2; yahoo did that but m$ icahn ensured that it was killed off
17:00 schestowitz-TR; dmoz and yahoo! directories were importan to people in early 2000s
17:00 schestowitz-TR; inc. getting into them
17:01 Techrights-sec2; yes very much so and they did quality work with the curation
17:01 Techrights-sec2; for the most part
17:01 Techrights-sec2; iirc yahoo used and contributed a lot to freebsd, and that irked icahn and bill
17:11 schestowitz-TR; i have adopted a different approach
17:11 schestowitz-TR; some sites have an rss feed for particular sections and authors
17:11 schestowitz-TR; those that cover things relevant to us
17:11 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:11 schestowitz-TR; some of that us "URI hacking"
17:11 schestowitz-TR; they don't advertise the feeds
17:15 schestowitz; cpu-intensive for them, but works: https://mightygadget.co.uk/search/linux/feed/rss2/
17:17 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:18 schestowitz-TR; if you look at news.google.com and put in 'linux' there is a shockingly small number of unique sources/sites
17:18 schestowitz-TR; google news was a lot better than this decades ago
17:18 Techrights-sec2; yes and mostly crap in the results too
17:18 Techrights-sec2; even their UI has become garbage and innaviable
17:18 schestowitz-TR; it's not garbage to them
17:18 schestowitz-TR; they make it like this for a reason
17:18 schestowitz-TR; making the user happy is not a business model
17:18 schestowitz-TR; ask twitter
17:19 Techrights-sec2; yes for them it is "engagement" for the rest of us it is time wasted
17:21 schestowitz-TR; only 4 iterms in zdnet->linux so far this month
17:21 schestowitz-TR; sjvn was in el reg the other day
17:26 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:27 schestowitz-TR; at the end I can give you my opml
17:27 schestowitz-TR; (combined)
17:27 schestowitz-TR; or maybe we can push something to git, though change control for opml would likely work poorly
17:27 schestowitz-TR; assuming we have nothing too private in those lists
17:32 schestowitz-TR; or maybe we can push something to git, though change control for opml would likely work poorly
17:32 schestowitz-TR; assuming we have nothing too private in those lists
17:32 schestowitz-TR; WAIT WTF!
17:32 schestowitz-TR; Jim Salter now listed as "Former" in Ars staff page
17:33 schestowitz-TR; as if he left or got fired
17:33 schestowitz-TR; he was like their only remaning person who covered bsd and gnu/linux
17:33 schestowitz-TR; last article 11/11/21
17:33 schestowitz-TR; he's the one who linked to the transcript from SELF
17:33 schestowitz-TR; no wonder the only time I see ars this year is when an goodin pottymouths it
17:41 schestowitz-TR; back when the web hardly had rss feeds I wrote some tools to detect changes in pages and then serve the new items to my desktop
17:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe I can make use of that
17:41 schestowitz-TR; some sites do not give rss by topic/authorAAA
17:41 schestowitz-TR; asking today's web sites for their details rss capabilities is like asking a dishonest mechanic for a receipt
17:41 schestowitz-TR; "oh, you want one??"
17:44 Techrights-sec2; pretty similar
17:45 schestowitz-TR; of note: many major sites STILL outsource to FEEDBURNER, i.e. Gulag
17:45 schestowitz-TR; they will never learn, it's a ticking time bomb
17:45 schestowitz-TR; Even "The Hacker News" does this
17:45 schestowitz-TR; poor "secops"
17:47 Techrights-sec2; HN is propaganda and dogma
17:48 schestowitz-TR; this one is not related
17:48 schestowitz-TR; but it does air some anti-Linux FUD
17:54 schestowitz-TR; tech[sic]republic (CBS, zdnet) redirects "linux" to "open-source"
17:56 Techrights-sec2; the hyphen is a telltale sign that they are not legitimate. strange how that
17:56 Techrights-sec2; has ended up being an indicator
17:57 schestowitz-TR; looking at page sources of bloated corprate sites hunting for xml, rss, feeds etc.
17:57 schestowitz-TR; I've seen some ugly stuff like pages that are 2/3 just CSS stuff (in the index) with images as DATA: octal for images
17:57 schestowitz-TR; as if web pages as all-in-one tar or zip file
18:02 Techrights-sec2; they are a lot of junk nowadays
18:02 Techrights-sec2; see the superficial survey(s) done in 2019 here on TR
18:04 schestowitz-TR; experiment I would not do
18:04 schestowitz-TR; 1) scan google for topics
18:04 schestowitz-TR; count number od sources
18:04 schestowitz-TR; sum for each source
18:04 schestowitz-TR; plot as a chart
18:04 schestowitz-TR; I reckon about 10 domains make up like 70% or more of the results
18:05 schestowitz-TR; in english
18:05 schestowitz-TR; 5 domains are maybe majority of all
18:05 Techrights-sec2; 1) would require some semi-proprietary NLP modules
18:05 schestowitz-TR; like the distribution of welath and media companies in the US
18:05 schestowitz-TR; so google news becomes a bit of a "laxy person's shortcut"
18:05 schestowitz-TR; for what could otherwise b ejust a dozen rss feeds
18:05 schestowitz-TR; in patents the few "giants" like lexology dominate results
18:05 schestowitz-TR; and they are just relaying lies and marketing spam
18:05 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:12 Techrights-sec2; patents get little to no coverage
18:14 schestowitz-TR; OK, I think I now have enough rss feeds to see for tuxmachines about 80%-90% of what I saw through the filter of Google
18:14 schestowitz-TR; should we add opml to git at some point?
18:14 schestowitz-TR; ok
18:15 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:15 Techrights-sec2; probably not
18:15 Techrights-sec2; since QuiteRSS does not do diffs etc
18:15 Techrights-sec2; import / export is manual and all or nothing at that
18:20 schestowitz-TR; see /tmp/roy-june
18:20 schestowitz-TR; in this machine
18:20 schestowitz-TR; or just keep for ref
18:20 schestowitz-TR; I lost about 10 feeds due to time diff between broken DB today and last easily-accessible backup
18:20 schestowitz-TR; it would not be worth spending an hour retreiving a more recent one for just 10 URLs of mostly
18:20 schestowitz-TR; dodgy howto sites
18:20 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:20 Techrights-sec2; $ grep -c http roy-june
18:20 Techrights-sec2; 1168
18:20 Techrights-sec2; that's too much to merge manually
18:20 schestowitz-TR; this is a combined feeds of your site and mine
18:20 schestowitz-TR; they are partioned
18:23 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:23 schestowitz-TR; /me noticed fossforce had no post since 18/5
18:23 schestowitz-TR; there is also utm_source=rss[some cruft] trackers
18:23 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:24 schestowitz-TR; most of these died for good when gulag served the first death blow to feedburner
18:24 schestowitz-TR; but some sites still have this
18:24 schestowitz-TR; I don't know feedburner well enough (never used it) to understand why
18:24 schestowitz-TR; I imagine it is used to serve them some stats
18:24 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:32 schestowitz-TR; feedburner is a failed company
18:32 schestowitz-TR; like technorati
18:32 schestowitz-TR; it did something useful for some people, perhaps, but that does not mean it can sustain operational costs
18:32 schestowitz-TR; a bit like gulagtube
18:32 schestowitz-TR; to me, feedburner is like malware
18:32 schestowitz-TR; for over 10 years I had to manually delete tracking parts of URLs
18:32 schestowitz-TR; and rianne had to do the same
18:32 schestowitz-TR; plus, some feeds people followed no longer work
18:32 schestowitz-TR; so well done, outsourcers
18:32 schestowitz-TR; "subscribe to my blog in this OTHER domain" (oh oh!!)
18:33 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:33 Techrights-sec2; I haven't looked into feedburner one way or another, but its use does complicate
18:33 Techrights-sec2; the feeds somewhat
18:36 schestowitz-TR; "infleuncer" = follow my channel in youtube. banned.
18:36 schestowitz-TR; "journalist" = follow me in twitter. shadowbanned.
18:36 schestowitz-TR; the latter = follow my article in this site I write for.
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and then moves to another site
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and another site..
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and starting again with 0 each time
18:36 schestowitz-TR; like mJim Salter and SJVN
18:36 schestowitz-TR; at one poiunt he ran his own site
18:36 schestowitz-TR; but he did not keep it going
18:36 schestowitz-TR; from articles that turned into links to other sites he wrote in
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and then nothingt
18:36 schestowitz-TR; then offline
18:36 schestowitz-TR; pragmatictech I think he called it
18:36 schestowitz-TR; after quinstreet killed of desktoplinux.com
18:36 schestowitz-TR; *off
18:37 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:38 schestowitz-TR; this is NOT a google issue
18:38 schestowitz-TR; not a Microsoft issue
18:38 schestowitz-TR; not a www issue
18:38 schestowitz-TR; this is a conceptual and topological issue
18:38 schestowitz-TR; people assuming other people will give a shit about their work
18:38 schestowitz-TR; companies are not like that
18:38 schestowitz-TR; they're not even people!
18:38 schestowitz-TR; "do me a favour mate!"
18:38 schestowitz-TR; even "coimmunities" like diaspora
18:38 schestowitz-TR; look what they did
18:45 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:45 Techrights-sec2; a lot of corporate activities were / are about crushing or preventing community
18:46 schestowitz-TR; "zero-sum" mindset
18:46 schestowitz-TR; we need to crush this and that
18:46 schestowitz-TR; they can undermine some things, but people regroup unless you assassinate them
18:46 schestowitz-TR; btw, there is some important stuff re debian coming soon
18:46 schestowitz-TR; even the lawyers have their limits
18:50 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:50 schestowitz-TR; to avoid a sursurgene I need to keep some stuff under the wraps and out of irc for now, temporarily
18:50 schestowitz-TR; they underestimate the power of unionised volunteers and hacktivists
18:50 schestowitz-TR; *resurgence
18:59 Techrights-sec2; unions are important, over in the US, Amazon is doing what it can illegally to
18:59 Techrights-sec2; try to break or prevent them
19:00 schestowitz-TR; amazon over 1 ml workers
19:00 schestowitz-TR; walmart over 2ml
19:00 schestowitz-TR; both notorious now for union-busting
19:00 schestowitz-TR; there is a massive potential in there for the workers to call the shots
19:02 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> What happens to the Third World when the First World no longer needs it? gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1007 "Observation: Amazon's sole advantage is that it ships stuff fast, but the quality of what you find and price of the stuff that you find isn't that much cheaper than buying stuff second hand from a site such as Ebay, where you typically filter by location."
19:09 schestowitz-TR; when people can collectively take on corporations the next level is the samer people taking over the state, which they corporations and their
19:09 schestowitz-TR; chiefs typicallty dominate
19:09 schestowitz-TR; this is why Sleep Joe and his ilk are so sloppy at supporting union actions
19:09 schestowitz-TR; and instead double-dip
19:09 schestowitz-TR; for appearase, optics, serving mixed messsages
19:09 schestowitz-TR; iceland showed its head of state the door
19:09 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:14 schestowitz-TR; raspberrypiuse.co.uk not only died
19:14 schestowitz-TR; but its domain kills off quiterss every time for rss feed requests since months ago
19:14 schestowitz-TR; I am checking again my disabled feeds
19:15 Techrights-sec2; :(
19:16 schestowitz-TR; quiterss was never so fault-tolerant wqhen receiving some very oddball responses
19:16 schestowitz-TR; I think they could make bettgee exception handling or input sanitisation
19:16 schestowitz-TR; for years rianne and I wasted hours trying to track down, one by one,
19:17 schestowitz-TR; which feed became a culprit
19:35 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:53 schestowitz-TR; draft
19:53 schestowitz-TR; due to my gulag stance, which I will do a post about shortly, we will be more focused
19:53 schestowitz-TR; and those weekly upc posts are affected
19:53 schestowitz-TR; i have just published it
19:53 schestowitz-TR; forgot to shorten the url slug :/
19:53 schestowitz-TR; anyway...
19:53 schestowitz-TR; we got some compliments today on our reporting (via email)
19:59 Techrights-sec2; congrats on the positive feedback
20:01 schestowitz-TR; some p[eople come for the reports and stay for the links
20:01 schestowitz-TR; some come for the links and then read our reports, too
20:01 schestowitz-TR; TM+TR over http/s are 8.5 hits/second on average; gemini in TR is 12.2k so far today and IPFS is hard to measure because of the way it works
20:01 schestowitz-TR; so as long as we have rss feeds and such... we'll be able to justify the efforts
20:01 schestowitz-TR; but traffic ~= quality
20:01 schestowitz-TR; if you want traffic, you upload pr0n and stuff
20:01 schestowitz-TR; but that's not quality
20:01 schestowitz-TR; or run some "streaming" service for football
20:01 schestowitz-TR; until you are behind bars
20:03 Techrights-sec2; ack
20:03 schestowitz-TR; 20-10 years ago companies feared EFF and FSF condemning them in public
20:04 schestowitz-TR; that's where we want to be
20:04 schestowitz-TR; due to the nature of the activism that we are doing and the inhernrtly naturew of our goals since tghe BN days
20:10 Techrights-sec2; since then both have been infiltrated and weakened same for LF and OSI.
20:10 Techrights-sec2; Not sure about FFII
20:11 schestowitz-TR; does the draft make sense to you?
20:11 schestowitz-TR; single pass so far
20:11 schestowitz-TR; for sanity sheck
20:11 schestowitz-TR; FFII has been unofficially defunct since 2010
20:11 schestowitz-TR; they even joked about it to me
20:11 schestowitz-TR; pilch left and the zombie ghost boat was run by nobody oifficially
20:11 schestowitz-TR; zoobab and another person occasionally penned something
20:11 schestowitz-TR; with the formerly important org name attached
20:11 schestowitz-TR; Ante Weseels for instance
20:11 schestowitz-TR; *Wessels
20:11 Techrights-sec2; checking
20:11 Techrights-sec2; draft seems off to a good start
20:11 Techrights-sec2; EFF seems into appeasement more than anything else and no longer touches
20:11 Techrights-sec2; any relevant issues, except on rare occasion.
20:11 Techrights-sec2; It was easier for them, I suppose, back when there was an actual trade press.
20:11 Techrights-sec2; Wired, for example, before it got sold, used to cover policy topics.
20:13 schestowitz-TR; sorry to say it so bluntly, but when I see wired (schneitr linked to it again the other day)
20:14 schestowitz-TR; you deal with another tentacle of the conde nast octopus (Schneier SHOWS interest!! Eyes wide open)
20:14 schestowitz-TR; they do the same with the New Yorker
20:14 schestowitz-TR; they did play a massive, pivotal role in ousting LT (he came back, conditionally)
20:14 schestowitz-TR; and along with Ars and other tentacles they did the same to RMS a year later
20:14 Techrights-sec2; yes it since became garbage, after several sales
20:14 Techrights-sec2; same for /.
20:14 Techrights-sec2; so media consolidation ought to be on the threats list we examined the othe day
20:18 schestowitz-TR; yes, but I think we need several charts/blobs
20:18 schestowitz-TR; this one did not touch on sw freedom at all, by intention
20:18 schestowitz-TR; media consolidation fits in with internet freedom issues
20:18 schestowitz-TR; inc. rss, protocol extensions, bloat, and isps curbing upload speeds
20:18 schestowitz-TR; it's a very complex task to map
20:18 schestowitz-TR; without even naming any particular brand
20:18 schestowitz-TR; btw, boss blurted out changes tasking effect only 2 months from now
20:18 schestowitz-TR; but tentative decisions by month's end
20:18 schestowitz-TR; they drag their heels, but meanwhile we get paid and in two months' time rianne can start the naturalisaiton process/application
20:18 Techrights-sec2; excellent if you can get the naturalization process completed soon
20:19 schestowitz-TR; it is not so crucial, but a nice-to-have and easier if she has a long-term employment record (9 years in the company this year; they can issue an
20:19 schestowitz-TR; endorsement letter)
20:19 Techrights-sec2; ack
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