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05:00 TechrightsBN; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75
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12:34 Techrights-sec; excellent, the rate is picking up
12:34 Techrights-sec; Is there a convenient API for Drupal which the FSF could use easly to
12:34 Techrights-sec; extract content and convert to Gemtext?
12:34 Techrights-sec; IIRC TuxMachines is Drupal.
12:34 schestowitz-TR; sorry, was recording
12:35 schestowitz-TR; yes, I thought about tuxmachines, but with almost 170k pages and not much original among them I would not consider gemini for it
12:35 schestowitz-TR; those pages link to http
12:35 schestowitz-TR; I do not know of drupal-specific gemini tools and mind you, I watch these tools closely to see new things
12:36 schestowitz-TR; re distro.tube at gemini
12:36 schestowitz-TR; for half a year I've repeatedly tried to access it
12:36 schestowitz-TR; hoping that DT would restore the service/capsule
12:36 schestowitz-TR; seems he took too much
12:36 schestowitz-TR; like distrotoot
12:36 schestowitz-TR; and it now cutting down
12:36 schestowitz-TR; maybe gulagtube also deranks him
12:36 schestowitz-TR; I did not check
12:37 schestowitz-TR; as I cite him as yewtu.be
12:37 schestowitz-TR; of odysee when you send me the corresponding URLs
12:37 schestowitz-TR; odysee is its OWN jar of worms
12:43 Techrights-sec; ack
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13:34 schestowitz-TR; now running piclone ont he rasp400, usb to microsd
13:34 schestowitz-TR; that backup will also contain all the gemini pages, even though the system accoun
13:34 schestowitz-TR; t "gemini" was removed
13:34 schestowitz-TR; so a bit of an insurance policy, given that rianne is not likely to
13:34 schestowitz-TR; use up 32gb of storage anyway
13:34 Techrights-sec; odysee only works with an account because you have to spend a week or two
13:34 Techrights-sec; blocking cranks and whackdoodle accounts before you start to see anythig of
13:34 Techrights-sec; either use or interest in the UI
13:34 Techrights-sec; The experience with Drupal might help give tips to the FSF about how t
13:34 Techrights-sec; they can export to Gemtext. TM has nothing to gain from a Gemini presence,
13:34 Techrights-sec; from what I can see. But it has given familiarity with Drupal.
13:38 schestowitz-TR; i have just tralled to the front page of odysee
13:38 schestowitz-TR; ido not have an ccount there
13:38 schestowitz-TR; it is not much distateful content
13:38 schestowitz-TR; not judging by the front page
13:38 schestowitz-TR; no worse than gulagtube
13:38 schestowitz-TR; in gulagtube you feel like they follow you around and profiule you
13:38 schestowitz-TR; maube odysee does the same,but it feels generic
13:38 schestowitz-TR; the interface does not feel like a web page
13:38 schestowitz-TR; and videos are not video files per se
13:38 schestowitz-TR; so that kind of suck
13:38 schestowitz-TR; *sucks
13:46 Techrights-sec; ack
13:46 Techrights-sec; As mentioned the majority needs to be culled using blocking heavily in order
13:46 Techrights-sec; for it to be useful.
13:46 schestowitz-TR; i have just attempted to play some videos
13:46 schestowitz-TR; as in the past some would not even load
13:46 schestowitz-TR; I don't know exactly how lbry works
13:46 schestowitz-TR; but to me it misses the point that
13:46 schestowitz-TR; 1) people should self-host and
13:46 schestowitz-TR; 2)KEEP IT SIMPLE
13:46 schestowitz-TR; spinning off loated shit like mastodon will cause complication, like new PHP
13:46 schestowitz-TR; versions and database going all w0nky
13:47 Techrights-sec; It sucks, but it sucks slightly less than Youtube. :/
13:50 schestowitz-TR; If they do not have a business model and are riding someone's bank account,
13:50 schestowitz-TR; as joindiaspora did,
13:50 schestowitz-TR; tnen
13:50 schestowitz-TR; 1) they will turn evil
13:50 schestowitz-TR; 2) they will shut down
13:50 schestowitz-TR; so you often need to assess whether they are sustinable
13:50 schestowitz-TR; when I looked into them in 2020 it was LBRY
13:50 schestowitz-TR; where is LBRY as a domain today?
13:50 schestowitz-TR; this is far too volatile and new
13:50 schestowitz-TR; LunK00k put lots of stuff there
13:50 schestowitz-TR; and shilled them to death
13:50 schestowitz-TR; now EVEN HIS RANT ABOUT THEM is offline
13:50 schestowitz-TR; I spent ages trying to retreive it,
13:50 schestowitz-TR; but odysee is JS
13:51 schestowitz-TR; so gulag and IA has no copies
13:51 schestowitz-TR; *had
13:51 schestowitz-TR; only thing >I had left was poortions in TR Daily Links
13:51 schestowitz-TR; So I was not anble to explin what wernt wrong there
13:51 schestowitz-TR; ther reason itself vanished
14:03 Techrights-sec; The business model is crytpocurrency. The videos are just a front.
14:03 Techrights-sec; I figure option #2 sometime.
14:03 Techrights-sec; Videos are ephemeral anyway.
14:12 Techrights-sec; """
14:12 Techrights-sec; Usenet died for four reasons:
14:12 Techrights-sec; It got spammed to death.
14:12 Techrights-sec; It lost control over its culture, and that culture was crucial to its functio
14:12 Techrights-sec; ning.
14:12 Techrights-sec; It was too problematic for ISPs (or others) to provide ready access to it: sp
14:13 Techrights-sec; am, harassment, child pornography, and copyright violations all posed massive con
14:13 Techrights-sec; cerns.
14:13 Techrights-sec; There was no viable business model for providing the service.
14:13 Techrights-sec; """
14:13 Techrights-sec; Points 1 and 2 especially.
14:13 schestowitz-TR; https://joindiaspora.com/posts/22282896
14:13 schestowitz-TR; https://diaspora.glasswings.com/posts/049bdfc06cd7013a2d24448a5b29e257
14:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@podmin@joindiaspora.com: # Hello JoinDiaspora there is some unfortunate news to share. Feneas will be dissolved and as Joindiaspora is one of the services. JD will also be shut down on 1 March. This is unless we can find someone who wants to take over the service. If you think you can handle the task please contact us via [hq@feneas.org](mailto:hq@feneas.org). You can find the original post below or via https://git.feneas.org/feneas/
14:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2021-12-09.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
14:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | meetings/agm-minutes-2022-01-04.txt master Feneas / association GitLab
14:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> git.feneas.org | Feneas GitLab
14:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.glasswings.com | Social Control Media is a Bubble and JoinDiaspora Might be the Next...
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15:30 schestowitz-TR; I know you have not played around with piclone
15:31 schestowitz-TR; but I think they host only in shithub
15:31 schestowitz-TR; and there are some bugs
15:31 schestowitz-TR; it's not something they give much love to
15:31 schestowitz-TR; it neeeds to run with a bunch of options
15:31 schestowitz-TR; and if run from the CLI you see the rough edges
15:31 schestowitz-TR; at the moment I run it over ssh with x-forwarding
15:31 schestowitz-TR; it's GUI only
15:31 schestowitz-TR; so I cannot run it in a screen session
15:31 schestowitz-TR; this is progressing (rianne's machine)
15:31 schestowitz-TR; but may take another 3-5 hours
15:31 schestowitz-TR; that includes all the oibjects that were in other accounts although I deleted
15:31 schestowitz-TR; the accounts and disabled all the syst5emd services that are not needed
15:31 schestowitz-TR; bottom line: piclone can be powerful, and can be very simple to use
15:31 schestowitz-TR; but under the hood it's a bit crude
15:31 schestowitz-TR; yes, I saw the source code last time
15:31 schestowitz-TR; when trying to assess when the progress bar was not progressing for line 4 hours
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18:16 schestowitz-TR; rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled
18:16 schestowitz-TR; the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot
18:16 schestowitz-TR; to usb, 32GB, as before...
18:16 schestowitz-TR; atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo
18:16 schestowitz-TR; today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds
18:16 schestowitz-TR; , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines
18:16 schestowitz-TR; rianne's pi is now backed up to microsd, labeled
18:16 schestowitz-TR; the gemini etc. server is now halfway through making a complerte snapshot
18:16 schestowitz-TR; to usb, 32GB, as before...
18:17 schestowitz-TR; atm I work on part 50 for tomorrow, epo
18:17 schestowitz-TR; today and tomorrow I will asssess whether to delete some or all gulag noise feeds
18:17 schestowitz-TR; , except maybe "linux" things because of tux machines
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18:33 schestowitz-TR; ---
18:33 schestowitz-TR; i really love how the pis are working
18:33 schestowitz-TR; I also love how easy they are to offload to a fingernail-sized thing
18:33 schestowitz-TR; I wonder,
18:33 schestowitz-TR; back on the ol' days we had sueme linux
18:33 schestowitz-TR; we could, in principle, convert the nginx/gemini cambo into a .osi
18:33 schestowitz-TR; one that lets people surf the site 'offline'
18:33 schestowitz-TR; using gemini or http
18:33 schestowitz-TR; the logistics would not be hard
18:33 schestowitz-TR; *.iso
18:36 schestowitz-TR; alternatively, a tool COULD be developed (I know of no wuch tool)
18:36 schestowitz-TR; which converts a gemini basedir into a surfable thing like Xanadu
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and make it downloadable as a compress archive for offline access or
18:36 schestowitz-TR; fopr longterm preservation
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21:52 Techrights-sec; it would be easy enough to have a tarball of any Gemini site. Gemtext is
21:52 Techrights-sec; highly compressible, too.
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