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07:26 schestowitz; <li>
07:26 schestowitz; <h5><a href="https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ati-radeon-gpus-get-driver-optimizations-linux">Linux Community Updates 20 Year Old AMD GPU Driver</a></h5>
07:26 schestowitz; <blockquote>
07:27 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ati-radeon-gpus-get-driver-optimizations-linux">Linux )
07:27 schestowitz; <p>To demonstrate just how old these GPUs are, the R500 graphics cards, also named the X1000 series were launched in 2007 and were built on a huge 90nm process. The flagship card at the time, the ATI Radeon X1800 XT could only achieve 83 Gflops of performance (with a G). It's a far cry from today where the best graphics cards, like the RTX 3090, can achieve over 35 TFlops.</p></blockquote></li>
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09:43 activelow; the old radeon cards power consumption was lower too
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10:10 activelow; did some calculations: the rtx3090 got ~500x more processing power
10:11 activelow; the die shrink from 90nm to 9nm equals a reduction in power consumption per silicon area 10^2; that's one hundred
10:12 activelow; then, the RTX3090 requiers ~3x the amount of electricity, that's a total of ~300x
10:12 activelow; alltogether, far less impressive, for the fact alone power consumption tripled
10:13 activelow; if Nvidia could manufacture a GPU with 83GFLOPs requiring 500milliwatts total this had been far more impressive
10:19 activelow; some faster ARM Mali graphics score ~20GFLOPs, and even this was sufficient with the opensource graphics drivers for Linux with nexuiz/darkplaces at FullHD@60Hz steady
10:20 activelow; maybe that's another reason why Nvidia seeks to grab ARM, to perpetuate their trillion dollar GPU scam; to sell hardware which requires 500Watts instead of 5W total
10:21 activelow; and the ARM Mali graphics i tested is rather old and outdated already, manufactured at 28nm
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11:48 schestowitz; activelow: afaik, all of those companies make SUPER-proprietary stuff
11:49 schestowitz; I'm not even sure how many options exist for that type of hardware that can be trusted
11:49 schestowitz; Russia and India make their own
11:49 schestowitz; Mali and ARM might be better, but now, but not for lonh
11:49 schestowitz; *long
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11:55 activelow; schestowitz: yep, ARM hardware is fully proprietary
11:56 activelow; nonetheless, IBM Wintel PC and Nvidia are WORSE
13:01 schestowitz-TR; just gopt an emvelopse ;-)
13:01 schestowitz-TR; will put in quarantine for 2 days, as usual
13:01 schestowitz-TR; activelow: arm?
13:03 Techrights-sec; that was fast
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14:06 activelow; schestowitz-TR: what's the question?
14:09 activelow; anyway, Nvidia and most other GPUs are a bad choice, because these are special purpose hardware *only*
14:12 activelow; these cannot be programmed for easily, no operating system can be deployed to them, and with a power budget of 300watts for the GPU only i could imagine 300 ARM cortex general purpose CPU cores instead (or any other power efficient RISC)
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15:01 psydroid2; I'm not sure discrete GPUs have a future outside of certain niches
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15:11 Techrights-sec; congratulations and best of luck
15:11 Techrights-sec; yes, microsofters do what they can to sabotage
15:11 Techrights-sec; moodle is (or at least was) very staright forward to set up
15:11 Techrights-sec; remember though that if they had windows they did not have a techology problem
15:11 Techrights-sec; as much as a staffing problem and those problem individuals, such as those
15:11 Techrights-sec; sabotaging, will have to be dealt with administratively
15:18 schestowitz-TR; this morning we shut off their "azure"
15:18 schestowitz-TR; no more Windows, no more Microsoft
15:18 schestowitz-TR; migration successful, less money for the thugs
15:18 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap
15:18 schestowitz-TR; systemd ;-)
15:18 schestowitz-TR; joke
15:18 schestowitz-TR; this morning we shut off their "azure"
15:18 schestowitz-TR; no more Windows, no more Microsoft
15:18 schestowitz-TR; migration successful, less money for the thugs
15:18 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft seems to have used WAF as vendor lockin, but we found a way around that crap
15:18 schestowitz-TR; systemd ;-)
15:18 schestowitz-TR; joke
15:19 Techrights-sec; some sources I read commented that azure costs close to 20 times the
15:19 Techrights-sec; competition's services; and less reliable too
15:19 Techrights-sec; Yes the "cloud" serviecs from all vendors have varying degrees of lock-in
15:19 Techrights-sec; through bizarre, complcated control interfaces
15:19 Techrights-sec; systemd is part of the move to decommoditize GNU/Linux. Red Hat has made
15:19 Techrights-sec; t(now IBM) has made far more progress than M$ in that regard and the effects
15:19 Techrights-sec; are about as bad
15:19 Techrights-sec; Debian, the core of most other distros, has basically been destroyed by the
15:19 Techrights-sec; infighting that it took to pound through adoption of systemd against all
15:19 Techrights-sec; reasonable technical expectations.
15:31 activelow; Debian (*deb) and RedHat (*rpm) are tailored for consumer comfort and business
15:32 activelow; in practice, the regular updates required are horror
15:33 activelow; i want a system which can be administered, exposed to internet either providing or consuming services, and not requires any update in 10years
15:34 activelow; *does not require
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17:03 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: lots of energy wasted
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17:07 psydroid2; watching developments in the x86 world has been like watching a train accident happening right before your eyes
17:08 psydroid2; https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d
17:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://erik-engheim.medium.com/risc-v-used-because-its-free-e1f04140bc3d
17:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-erik-engheim.medium.com | RISC-V Used Because Its Free?. Is the RISC-V microprocessor | by Erik Engheim | Nov, 2021 | Medium
17:08 psydroid2; not everyone needs a power-hungry graphics card
17:08 psydroid2; and for what purpose would you "need" one?
17:08 schestowitz-TR; exactly
17:09 schestowitz-TR; but you say it in revers
17:09 schestowitz-TR; maybe by intention
17:09 schestowitz-TR; it's the field of dreams
17:09 schestowitz-TR; build it, they will come
17:09 schestowitz-TR; make 100 watt GPU
17:09 schestowitz-TR; gazillion polygons rendered per secomd
17:09 schestowitz-TR; then pay "game" developers to recycle boring old games
17:09 schestowitz-TR; and just throw more loads at them
17:10 schestowitz-TR; with BTC/Bitccoin, throw lots of cpu cycles at trash
17:10 schestowitz-TR; or "hey hi"
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17:10 schestowitz-TR; (data-mining)
17:10 schestowitz-TR; surveillance based on weak pretences, oversold to advertisers and such
17:10 schestowitz-TR; "crime prediction"
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17:12 psydroid2; the first thing is power-efficient ASICs could be used for specific use cases
17:13 psydroid2; and the second one is about the "need" for "games", as you just said
17:14 psydroid2; I frankly couldn't care less about those "games", that are just like ads for buying more power-hungry and more expensive graphics hardware
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17:21 schestowitz-TR; thhey are not fun
17:21 schestowitz-TR; orgy of ploygon pools
17:27 schestowitz-TR; gameplay takes effort
17:27 schestowitz-TR; instead they expect the gamers to spend
17:27 schestowitz-TR; and compensate for map maps, assets etc.
17:28 schestowitz-TR; *bad maps
17:28 schestowitz-TR; for their "polygon" ocean
17:28 schestowitz-TR; lots of inefficiently-rendered stuff
17:28 schestowitz-TR; occlusion etc.
17:28 schestowitz-TR; in doom you could render a lot with very little
17:28 schestowitz-TR; not it's the opposite
17:29 schestowitz-TR; to just show some characters you need billions of transistors
17:29 schestowitz-TR; even though the gab process improced a lot
17:29 schestowitz-TR; likewise, the Web:
17:29 schestowitz-TR; sites like online banks now need like x10 the hardware resources
17:29 schestowitz-TR; to do the same thing you did in them like 20 years ago
17:29 schestowitz-TR; I picked up my bank's CD-ROM
17:39 schestowitz-TR; quite the git diff ;-)
17:39 schestowitz-TR; and one whitespace fewer ;-)
17:40 schestowitz-TR; we have 10 more parts on EPO, the one from last night was a short reminder
17:40 Techrights-sec; yes long but unimportant
17:40 Techrights-sec; great!
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17:48 Techrights-sec; Just looking at it from this distance, it looks like the EPO could do much
17:48 Techrights-sec; better by not pushing out junk patents, trimming management, and hiring more
17:48 Techrights-sec; skilled/experienced examiners.
17:49 schestowitz-TR; SUEPO wrote about this for years; it will be DIFFICULT for them to hire the RIGHT people now. It's a crisis. They get fresh grads, to EXAMINE monopolies. Knowledge of one language.
17:49 schestowitz-TR; also see
17:49 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/
17:49 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | With EPO Strike Regulations Belatedly Ruled Unlawful, EPO Management May be Lowering the Salary Even Further by Introducing Outside Temps or Casual Workers | Techrights
17:53 Techrights-sec; I see. The union was broken or at least weakened substantially
17:54 schestowitz-TR; many have retired. Jose left months ago. he's the one who had fainted after IU treatment.
18:00 schestowitz; this is in Planet Debian right now https://linux.codehelp.co.uk/diversity-and-gender.html
18:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.codehelp.co.uk | Diversity and gender - linux.codehelp.co.uk
18:00 schestowitz; not connected to Free Software of Debian
18:00 schestowitz; seems like a way to divide the hackers
18:04 Techrights-sec; ack
18:04 Techrights-sec; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/10/15/stirling-and-pan-european-seal-programme/
18:04 Techrights-sec; WTF?
18:04 Techrights-sec; That's not code.
18:04 Techrights-sec; get them fighting each other so M$ does not lose ground so quickly as it would
18:04 Techrights-sec; otherwise
18:04 Techrights-sec; destroying debian takes out hundreds of derivative distros
18:04 Techrights-sec; some of the derivatives, like Ubuntu, were important enough for M$ to go out
18:04 Techrights-sec; of their way to infiltrate specifically
18:04 Techrights-sec; however no project is too small for them to attack
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18:09 Techrights-sec; m$ attacks and tries to infiltrate any group it learns about
18:09 Techrights-sec; schools are more beholden to money than even magazines, so the long game
18:09 Techrights-sec; has been to crush and destroy comp sci and programming at university and college
18:09 Techrights-sec; levels
18:12 Techrights-sec; yes, microsoftianism is a lifestyle choice
18:13 schestowitz-TR; I still wonder if our client was putting a moodle site on wsl or something, for maybe 100,000 users... I wasn't close enough to lean the details from the "server and server engineer" ;-)
18:13 schestowitz-TR; *learn
18:13 schestowitz-TR; but my colleague was LMAO
18:13 schestowitz-TR; and said they had no idea what they were doing
18:14 schestowitz-TR; they fought hard against running moodle on gnu/linux
18:14 schestowitz-TR; and outside azure ^_^
18:17 Techrights-sec; as mentioned earlier, the presence of M$ products is not a technical problem
18:17 Techrights-sec; but a staffing problem; the performance of wsl and azure is not good, among
18:17 Techrights-sec; the many other problems they introduce. someone there is fighting against
18:17 Techrights-sec; technology and pushing M$ at all costs; if they are behaving like those at other
18:17 Techrights-sec; institutions they would probably rather see their employer go bankrupt than
18:17 Techrights-sec; let it leave M$ clutches.
18:17 Techrights-sec; In that case, while they might be on their employer's payroll, they are reallky
18:17 Techrights-sec; working for M$ against the enployer.
18:18 schestowitz-TR; bingo. but we won the argument at the end. it's a big client.
18:20 Techrights-sec; again congratulations and continued good luck
18:20 Techrights-sec; I'm wondering if any companies ever have policies that those on the payroll
18:20 Techrights-sec; must work for the company and not its competitors, like m$
18:20 schestowitz-TR; good point
18:21 schestowitz-TR; rianne know better than me because she read most of the correspondence, I have not
18:21 schestowitz-TR; I can't be bothered fighting with microsofters
18:22 schestowitz-TR; not my "pay grade" :-)
18:22 schestowitz-TR; *would know
18:23 Techrights-sec; m$ sees other companies not just as competitors to squash but as opponents
18:23 Techrights-sec; politically
18:23 Techrights-sec; ack
18:23 schestowitz-TR; microsoft phoned to complain about me and Gates Foundation passed a "bribe"
18:24 Techrights-sec; yes but under nda iirc
18:24 schestowitz-TR; yes, the "SECRET" 'charity'
18:25 Techrights-sec; with strings attached, implicit and explicit
18:25 schestowitz-TR; on call, the first thing the boss did was,
18:25 schestowitz-TR; he said, I know roy might not like tis
18:25 schestowitz-TR; or something to that effect
18:25 schestowitz-TR; he mentioned nobody else
18:31 Techrights-sec; hmm.
18:43 Techrights-sec; another topic, would it be useful to make a Git repository for the daily links?
18:43 Techrights-sec; that would pave the way for several concurrent contributors, including a more
18:43 Techrights-sec; independent automated RSS harvester.
18:44 schestowitz-TR; I thought about it before, but it would not suit the current workflow at all
18:48 Techrights-sec; ack
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21:26 schestowitz; https://nitter.eu/herrsmithson/status/1469709141342101504
21:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | Alex C. Smithson (@herrsmithson): "Gi il padre finanziava il PATH. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/Ideas/Media-Center/Press-Releases/1999/04/Program-for-Appropriate-Technology-in-Health-PATH#:~:text=SEATTLE%20--%20PATH%20%28Program%20for%20Appropriate%20Technology%20in,development%20of%20Ultra%20Rice%E2%84%A2%2C%20a%20fortified%20rice%20product. Gates fu anche "bannato" dall'India. https://rupe-india.org/57/gates.
21:28 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/csolisr/status/1469769931440988166
21:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@csolisr: @schestowitz As somebody who has to use Windows for reasons: yeah
21:28 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/natynecc/status/1469708848344743936
21:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@natynecc: @schestowitz I even Don't know what is Azure and wtf it's used?
21:28 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469599308739747843
21:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: don't fall for the #bluehydrogen con... https://t.co/wAGhYPUYdR
21:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #DeSmog Mapped: Europes #FossilFuel -Backed #Hydrogen Lobby https://t.co/jJ8A1kNXtf
21:29 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/1469598941901733890
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: hey hey, it's the monkees... https://t.co/2hp8WWyDah
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #nesmith https://t.co/c9yv8OPkx5
21:29 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/ssk85760565/status/1469594121274802176
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ssk85760565: Here comes the next US-created disaster in Aftica. #Ethiopia https://t.co/zORWcwHRDB
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #MintPressNews Every Option Is on the Table: US Prepping for Libya-Style Intervention in #Ethiopia https://t.co/WOm3CsaVYH
21:29 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/Z_ballss/status/1469590760836276225
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Z_ballss: @schestowitz It means theyll be in poverty for a longer time now
21:29 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/ManuelRomer2/status/1469502849633636356
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ManuelRomer2: @schestowitz https://t.co/QdBoOKyATX
21:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gofundme.com | Fundraiser by Jessica Gonzalez : ABK Strike Fund
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