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IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, November 11, 2022

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beginning of new day, November 11

00:16 *starstreak is munching on jalepeno dry roasted crickets


1 AM, November 11

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4 AM, November 11

04:03 Techrightssec; I hope SN pulls through. It is about the last site left where comments are

04:03 Techrightssec; possible. ncommander seems willing to try to either right it or archive it

04:03 Techrightssec; by the 10th anniversary.

04:06 schestowitz-TR; they will last longer than twitter, based on news reports

04:07 Techrightssec; The sooner Twitter is removed, the better.

04:07 Techrightssec; Corporate disinformation and propaganda engines like Reddit are another matter

04:07 Techrightssec; That one is a lot cheaper to operate, or so it looks.

04:09 schestowitz-TR; regarding corona, I still 'monitor' what happens here

04:09 schestowitz-TR; we thought about spendign this weekend trekking, but weather is not cooperative

04:09 schestowitz-TR; contact with other people can lead to infection

04:13 schestowitz-TR; it is 4am here and 15 degrees

04:13 schestowitz-TR; i still have many unknowns, so cannot change some workflows indefinitely

04:13 schestowitz-TR; yesterday I did FOUR rounds of Daily Links

04:13 schestowitz-TR; atm there is some time overhead associated with adjusting

04:13 schestowitz-TR; when that clears, I should have lots of more time

04:15 schestowitz-TR; i am reluctant to even link to LINUXHINT anymore

04:15 schestowitz-TR; seeing some of the trash they're filling the site with

04:18 schestowitz-TR; today: windows, discord, git ASSUMING YOU USE WINDOWS (!), JS ... maybe time to delete my feed soon

04:18 schestowitz-TR; I also suspect they're adopted plagiarism artists

04:18 schestowitz-TR; who hide that but use quotes to sort of pretend, we're quoting

04:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe the site got sold to pakistan

04:18 Techrightssec; There are self-styled OSS specialists promoting their activity via "Slack"

04:18 Techrightssec; -- not Slackware, but the proprietary IRC competitor

04:19 schestowitz-TR; I know a company that does that ^_^

04:23 schestowitz-TR; reading feeds

04:23 schestowitz-TR; a) more an MOAR webspam

04:23 schestowitz-TR; b) we can cope

04:23 schestowitz-TR; 3) Daily Links has enough, but granularity changed

04:23 schestowitz-TR; d) need to get more people OFF the Web

04:23 schestowitz-TR; mumble, irc, gemini etc.

04:23 Techrightssec; :/

04:23 Techrightssec; I think the work flow for the links can be moved to tr-new soon. There

04:23 Techrightssec; are some details to work out with Git, but now that the TR Git repository

04:23 Techrightssec; is now in place, that is a step closer to realization.

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04:29 Techrightssec; The web in and of itself is fine, that is until HTTP/3 kicks in.

04:29 Techrightssec; Then it's as good a dead in regards to any characteristics it might have shared

04:29 Techrightssec; with its original goals and vision. However, the web as a vehicle for

04:29 Techrightssec; delivering proprietary javascript browser-based "apps" is better off dead.

04:29 schestowitz-TR; i have a 'stupid' question

04:29 schestowitz-TR; given what happened to FB and still happened to Twitter

04:30 schestowitz-TR; and given how awful youtube has become in pursuit of %

04:30 schestowitz-TR; and given that this strategy still reportedly resulted ina DECLINE ($)

04:30 schestowitz-TR; is youtube next to jump the shark?

04:30 schestowitz-TR; no youtube -> no invidious

04:30 Techrightssec; Youtube has already jumped the shark but as to whether it declines financially

04:30 Techrightssec; enough to see major cuts is another matter.

04:30 Techrightssec; https://grammarist.com/idiom/jump-the-shark/

↺ https://grammarist.com/idiom/jump-the-shark/

04:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-grammarist.com | Jump the shark Idiom Definition

04:31 Techrightssec; I'm loath to say it but invidious was a stupid idea anyway, it's only a front

04:31 Techrightssec; end

04:32 schestowitz-TR; it helps against ads mostly

04:32 schestowitz-TR; but also has other advantages

04:32 schestowitz-TR; the hard part is hosting large files and then delivering them to millions

04:32 schestowitz-TR; i reckon the business model there is the censorship

04:32 schestowitz-TR; or rather, mind control

04:33 Techrightssec; https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark

↺ https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JumpingTheShark

04:33 Techrightssec; The ads, as originally done, were simply the cost of using a "free" service.

04:33 Techrightssec; Now they are invasive, obnoxious, and longer than the actual video content.

04:33 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tvtropes.org | Jumping the Shark - TV Tropes

04:34 schestowitz-TR; yes, youtube became that

04:34 schestowitz-TR; they need to show potential to profit, too

04:34 schestowitz-TR; Bailout Biden might not find more coins between the sofa cushion

04:34 schestowitz-TR; for the so-called psy-ops

04:35 Techrightssec; I'm not sure if FOSS conferences have abandoned youtube or if they have

04:35 Techrightssec; abandoned posting videos. I'm hoping for a third option: self-hosting like

04:35 Techrightssec; CCC has done. But there will be no CCC this year either.

04:35 Techrightssec; Yes, youtube is certainly manipulative.

04:36 schestowitz-TR; if you want to secure access to some video, then download it

04:36 schestowitz-TR; VHS VCRs with record button were not a crimew

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04:45 schestowitz-TR; motta: survival of the fittest (darwin iirc)

04:45 schestowitz-TR; intel/grove: survival of the paranoid

04:45 schestowitz-TR; tech: survival of the agile

04:45 schestowitz-TR; youtube and twitter are too heavy and far too messy to operate

04:45 schestowitz-TR; not sure about soylent news, but it seems like they over-engineered it

04:45 schestowitz-TR; staying on olkd wordpress LTS was wise

04:45 schestowitz-TR; but it's time to move

04:45 schestowitz-TR; youtube may never become financially sustainable

04:45 schestowitz-TR; and to keep "agile" it might looks for excuses to ban "useless" channels

04:45 schestowitz-TR; like those that promote FS

04:45 schestowitz-TR; and have many minutes of video (storage)

04:45 schestowitz-TR; plus bandwidth costs that are hard to "monetise" due to 'uncooperate' (to ads) audience

04:45 schestowitz-TR; and no political gain (brownie points) either3~

04:56 Techrightssec; SN is using the old /. infrastructure which was ambitious and aimed for

04:56 Techrightssec; a larger scale than what is needed anymore. Harware and networks handle

04:56 Techrightssec; much more work and there are fewer visitors anyway. So what they have

04:56 Techrightssec; is kind of overkill.

04:57 schestowitz-TR; i thought it was a lookalike, not same or similar code

04:57 schestowitz-TR; anyway, wordpress is becoming overkill for 99% of sites that use wordpress


5 AM, November 11

05:05 Techrightssec; /. was one of the largest sites 20 years ago

05:05 Techrightssec; in terms of visitors, posts, and traffic. Most importantly, and the reason

05:05 Techrightssec; it drew the ire of the powers that be, was that it reflected the zeitgeist

05:05 Techrightssec; of the era and focused on FOSS and Open Standards and hated with a burning

05:05 Techrightssec; passion all things M$

05:05 Techrightssec; Team99 was active there but was, for a while mitigated, that's where the

05:05 Techrightssec; abbreviation "M$" came from AFAIK. M$ had a search engine continually scraping

05:05 Techrightssec; forums and /. in particular for the string "microsoft" case-insensitive.

05:05 Techrightssec; In the seconds after a thread acquired the string "microsoft", it would

05:05 Techrightssec; be burried in hostile and off-topic comments usually about perversions and

05:05 Techrightssec; unnacceptable practices.

05:05 Techrightssec; https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-building-a-team-99/

↺ https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-building-a-team-99/

05:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.neowin.net | Microsoft Building a 'Team 99' - Neowin

05:08 schestowitz-TR; i have just started one cpu-intensive task again, on my main machine

05:08 schestowitz-TR; seeing it has not had stroage issues for a while

05:08 schestowitz-TR; undecided on next course of action, but for now it seems 'back to normal'

05:08 schestowitz-TR; cleaned my rss feeds just now

05:08 schestowitz-TR; did not net many important stories

05:09 schestowitz-TR; to put it mildly

05:09 schestowitz-TR; but some clusters of links

05:11 Techrightssec; ack

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05:37 schestowitz-TR; going a post about our 16th bday...

05:37 schestowitz-TR; draft

05:37 Techrightssec; ack

05:41 schestowitz-TR; re SN

05:41 schestowitz-TR; I saw they use patreon

05:41 schestowitz-TR; iirc, it was patereon that fired ALL sec staf

05:41 schestowitz-TR; and is likely laying off all across the board

05:41 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if,

05:41 schestowitz-TR; like in social control media

05:41 schestowitz-TR; herding all supporters in that one platform

05:41 schestowitz-TR; makes one too financially dependent

05:41 schestowitz-TR; like with a salary

05:41 schestowitz-TR; on the existence and health of that platform

05:41 schestowitz-TR; did they plan for a siatuino of ban or platform shutdown (patreon)?

05:41 schestowitz-TR; not yet thinking of 'crowdfunding' TR

05:42 schestowitz-TR; as we are not broke

05:42 schestowitz-TR; but it's always "in the cards"

05:42 schestowitz-TR; from what I saw, if people start funding, then they throw a fit when some

05:42 schestowitz-TR; article isn't making them happy

05:42 schestowitz-TR; and then use a threat of discontinuing to induce (self)censorship

05:42 Techrightssec; then a disclaimer needs to be visible up front

05:43 schestowitz-TR; right, good point

05:43 schestowitz-TR; anyway, health is ok, financially we're ok

05:43 schestowitz-TR; TR will be fine

05:43 schestowitz-TR; and this is what I've wanted to do since 2006 anyway

05:43 Techrightssec;

05:43 Techrightssec; "as-is"


6 AM, November 11

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8 AM, November 11

08:09 Techrightssec; The various news sites seem to be largely blaming the Mediabank breach

08:09 Techrightssec; on either a) not paying the ransom, or b) the ransomware gang itself,

08:09 Techrightssec; instead of where the blame really lies: M$ and those that brought M$ product

08:09 Techrightssec; into the working environment.

08:09 Techrightssec; ^ topic ?

08:10 schestowitz-TR; thsnks, got 3 topic now

08:10 schestowitz-TR; we might go to town later today/tonight

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9 AM, November 11

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09:17 schestowitz-TR; gym

09:17 schestowitz-TR; 2 daily links batches at 9am ;-)

09:17 schestowitz-TR; i like it

09:17 Techrightssec; ack


11 AM, November 11

11:11 Techrightssec; 2022-11-11 11:11

11:34 Techrightssec; There are some echo settings she might be able to do on her end.

11:34 Techrightssec; Configure -> Settingd -> Audio Input -> Interface -> Echo Cancellation

11:34 Techrightssec; afaik it is off by default and there are two other options which could be tested

11:34 schestowitz-TR; we even did the silence thing

11:34 schestowitz-TR; i think we now have (had) 6 people in mumble

11:35 schestowitz-TR; should have done that years ago

11:35 schestowitz-TR; the echo is bad because rianne does not use a headset

11:35 schestowitz-TR; thanks, having another go at it now

11:35 schestowitz-TR; did mine last night again

11:48 schestowitz-TR; the echo is always worse from some users who are on mumla on android

11:48 schestowitz-TR; but not all

11:48 schestowitz-TR; and I am not sure what the culprit is

11:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe some of them use speaker mode


noon, November 11

12:06 Techrightssec; no idea about android

12:08 schestowitz-TR; if social control media take a tumble

12:08 schestowitz-TR; than the addition associate with it via "phones"

12:08 schestowitz-TR; *addiciton

12:09 schestowitz-TR; may diminish

12:09 Techrightssec; ack

12:09 schestowitz-TR; and maybe there can be a rebound for real computing

12:09 schestowitz-TR; not those palm-size skinner UIs

12:10 schestowitz-TR; the "like" interaction was made for pal-sized and keyboardless things

12:10 schestowitz-TR; so the devices impacted the UIs

12:10 schestowitz-TR; not the other way around

12:10 schestowitz-TR; to the point many programs became worse

12:10 schestowitz-TR; including banking UIs

12:10 schestowitz-TR; equipping the users with worse devices for improved screen time (always in the pocket, making many noises)

12:10 schestowitz-TR; rather than increased productivity

12:10 Techrightssec; s/improved/increased/

12:11 schestowitz-TR; (from advertisers' POV or state propAGANDA, A subset of the PR industry)

12:38 schestowitz-TR; mumble us hard when trying to balance the volumes between several people with different software,

12:38 schestowitz-TR; different devices, and different modes, all in the same room

12:38 schestowitz-TR; one person's bad settings impacts everyone present, unless one goes deaf/mute

12:38 schestowitz-TR; but this is an inherent issue for that kind of application

12:38 schestowitz-TR; with proprietary craps in "Apps" and "Browser" there is only one "approved" client

12:38 schestowitz-TR; with very limited OS or browser support

12:39 schestowitz-TR; going to record in a bit

12:39 schestowitz-TR; we have put our most of the xmas decor by now

12:39 schestowitz-TR; inc. at the office, entrance, bedrooms

12:39 schestowitz-TR; rianne is crazy about that stuff, even it's mostly for kids


1 PM, November 11

13:31 schestowitz-TR; OTA

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2 PM, November 11

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3 PM, November 11

15:34 schestowitz-TR; draft

15:34 schestowitz-TR; epo quiet, so I recorded just 3 videos

15:34 schestowitz-TR; draft for ms+russia

15:38 Techrightssec; checking

15:38 Techrightssec; checking

15:38 Techrightssec; empty

15:38 Techrightssec; s/face-checking/fact-checking/

15:38 Techrightssec; "attribution" is intentionally difficult in such situations

15:43 schestowitz; https://wikileaks.org/vault7/ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

↺ https://wikileaks.org/vault7/

↺ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

15:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 502 @ https://wikileaks.org/vault7/ )

↺ https://wikileaks.org/vault7/

15:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 502 @ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ )

↺ https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

15:43 schestowitz; go to "Mable Framework"

15:44 schestowitz-TR; *Marble

15:46 Techrightssec; ack

15:48 schestowitz-TR; done

15:56 schestowitz-TR; I did not do any preparation for the video

15:56 schestowitz-TR; but I think it got covered in it

15:56 schestowitz-TR; my arguments can improve a bit over time

15:57 schestowitz-TR; the idea is to get people to argue similarly and push back against BS 'articles'


4 PM, November 11

16:27 schestowitz-TR; is it ok for TR to have a consistent policy of,

16:27 schestowitz-TR; let's quit all social control media? or do you veto?

16:28 Techrightssec; I'm not sure I have a veto but either way I would agree with the push to

16:28 Techrightssec; quit all social control media.


5 PM, November 11

17:14 schestowitz-TR; soon 72 hours since last PC crash

17:14 schestowitz-TR; now got 6-7 people 'enrolled' into mumble

17:15 schestowitz-TR; quite a few client downloads


6 PM, November 11

18:03 Techrightssec; ack

18:03 schestowitz-TR; "Why LBRY was never going to win, and how they have just screwed all crypto." https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-9030

↺ https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-9030

18:19 Techrightssec; ck

18:19 Techrightssec; ack

18:19 Techrightssec; That's a feed not a web page.

18:19 schestowitz-TR; yes, their web page does not yet have that listed

18:19 schestowitz-TR; only the feed

18:22 schestowitz; "Other hospitals also are experiencing high levels of RSV cases, but the pediatric intensive care unit occupancy rate in Michigan has dipped. Statewide data indicates an 86% pediatric ICU occupancy as of Thursday, down from 89% last Friday."

18:22 schestowitz; COVID mentioned also

18:23 schestowitz; for-profit hospitals and insurance companies

18:23 Techrightssec; https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/08/eat-me/

↺ https://scheerpost.com/2022/11/08/eat-me/

18:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-EAT ME - scheerpost.com

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7 PM, November 11

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8 PM, November 11

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20:36 Techrightssec; for-profit means that they already run at capacity without any pandemic or

20:36 Techrightssec; other outbreaks

20:36 Techrightssec; insurance means that the treatment will be based on how it affects profitability

20:36 Techrightssec; regardless of whether it is suitable or functional, decided by MBAs not MDs


9 PM, November 11

21:50 schestowitz-TR; Sir Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch, on Covid-19 Vaccines Safety https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/11/cardio-safety/

↺ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/11/11/cardio-safety/

21:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Sir Christopher Chope, MP for Christchurch, on Covid-19 Vaccines Safety


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