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06:05 schestowitz-TR2; something a bit troubling happened today
06:05 schestowitz-TR2; which shows a weakness in wordpress
06:05 schestowitz-TR2; in the bulletin I noticed one post missing
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; as it turns out, after a lot of investigation
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; when the browser was restored following the reboot
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; the next node would rewrite the previous
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; as it was still 'stuck' on an old post_id
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; thankfully fixing that was easy
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; but it never happened to me before
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; basically one node I published overrode the previous
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; instead of making a new one
06:06 schestowitz-TR2; issue solved, at least I know what actually happened
06:09 schestowitz-TR2; ---
06:09 schestowitz-TR2; wait, another technical issue/bug, this time with IRC logs
06:09 schestowitz-TR2; do not touch the files yet, I need to diagnose and regenerate them
06:12 Techrights-sec; ack
06:18 schestowitz-TR2; two incidents in one morning, but I have time to cope
06:18 schestowitz-TR2; seems like some binary crap got into the irc log files
06:18 schestowitz-TR2; I'm investigating
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; this will take at least an hour to fully fix
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; say you have a text file with some binary junk somewhere
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; how would you pin-point it
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; kate can see there is inavblid char but does not say where
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; is there a text editor you can that can highlight it?
06:26 schestowitz-TR2; I need to remove it, I suspect it's in one of the IRC links
06:26 Techrights-sec; maybe vi ?
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; I will try
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; oh, I think you were right
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; seems the system crash and reboot caused it
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; which I guess makes sense
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; I could not shut down cleanly
06:31 Techrights-sec; :(
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; all because of the generated smaller gif
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; but I caught this issue because of some sanity checks
06:31 schestowitz-TR2; workign to fix this now
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; upsides:
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; we won't make smaller gifs anymore
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; we caught the issue
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; we seem to have fixed everything seems
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; machine rebooted back OK
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; main downsize was loss of time
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; likewise, I fixed the post issue
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; but one article was offline for half a day, the phoronix one
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; because it was 'overwritten'
06:35 schestowitz-TR2; the irc logs will be ready for sure before the usual time of publication
06:42 Techrights-sec; thanks
06:44 schestowitz-TR2; I'm removing the offending line using vi now
06:44 schestowitz-TR2; the social channel logs are about 10 million lines on this box and 1GB raw
06:44 schestowitz-TR2; those files are still opened habitually as the channels go on, I will wait for irc to get quieter
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07:04 Techrights-sec; ack
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; the amount of heavy listing done at those time, by about 5 accounts on 3 machines, is large
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; *lifting
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; but if one thing goes wrong, there's a knock-on effect and then things need to be done manually
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; almost done with the work on vonick, then I need to rerun things on the pi (for gemini and all)
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; then techrights-new (rerun ipfs add)
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; then you will have all the correct hashes
07:14 Techrights-sec; ack
07:34 schestowitz-TR2; if things go right, it's one minute to check output.text
07:34 schestowitz-TR2; today it's one hour to fix
07:34 schestowitz-TR2; and another chuck of time to double-check
07:34 schestowitz-TR2; in the future I'll be able to fix it faster though
07:39 Techrights-sec; ok
07:40 schestowitz-TR2; I've been wanting to back up tr-new for a while
07:40 schestowitz-TR2; however a lot of it is just copies fo files and atm most of the "stuff" is in account-related configs
07:40 schestowitz-TR2; and stuff that's built into the system at a level other than home directories
07:40 schestowitz-TR2; sooner or later there will be more to back up there
07:40 Techrights-sec; ack
07:40 Techrights-sec; yes, though for now I have not paid much attention to it, aside from a
07:40 Techrights-sec; few preliminary modifications
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; ok, I think the files are ready
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; when you retreieve the ipgs bits
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; the hash for the bulletin should end with "Lup"
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; all the files are now updated
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; I will make backups this weekend
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; but I don't have complete backups of the old sites, I hope you make some also
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; I was relieved this morning to grasp what had happened to the post about phoronix
07:44 schestowitz-TR2; at one point I worried that maybe the DB went bad
07:48 Techrights-sec; checking
07:52 schestowitz-TR2; thinking back, after 15 years almost, I probably spent 1000 hours processing IRC stuff
07:52 schestowitz-TR2; not participating, just processing
07:53 schestowitz-TR2; at the start I'd manually copy from logs, save, process
07:53 schestowitz-TR2; nowadays it's a lot faster provided it goes as planned
07:53 schestowitz-TR2; but IRC outlived all that other stuff
07:53 schestowitz-TR2; commaents, digg, social control media
07:56 Techrights-sec; ack
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; yes, APA's problem to deal with
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; not my problem
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; to me, the part about "lizard" is problematic
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; as in, some idiots might try to claim it's our positiopn
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; so I monitor that BS closely
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; to avoid such BS
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; thankfully we don't allow comments
08:00 schestowitz-TR2; some articles would be defaced if every nutcase could leave a comment
08:05 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-090922.html#tSep%2009%2020:31:04
08:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 09, 2022
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I was referring to this
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; it was mentiones partly as a joke in references to royals as well
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; like I said, I'm monitoring this
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; it can be mitigated by making it very clear that it's treated as a total farce and joke
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; even if one person does not
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; in whikch case ridicule on the record helps
08:07 schestowitz-TR2; same for nazi sympathisers
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; ----
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; seeing a geerling pick from you
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; I am thinking
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; he refers to people asd "youtuber"
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; but their work is in no way related to youtube
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; imagine calling politicians "twitterers"
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; instead of what they are or supposed to be
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; trump spent many hours "running rhe country" from a shitty vulnerable "app"
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; of course all his "work" was later deleted
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; even my replies to him are orphaned tweets now
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; lots wrong with this world
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; last night I read that the royal family TWEETED the death of the queen
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; like BillG "tweeted" his divorice
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; I did not mention this because that same sentence said they tweeted AND make an official statement
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; iow, it was no twitter (us/ksa) "exclusive"
08:13 schestowitz-TR2; when they make it exclusive the media coverage will turn into promotion of "tweets" and twitter
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; exacerbating the FOMO
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; "trump" 'broke' a lot of news in twitter
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; so his fans worldwide flocked there
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; and @potus account was barely used
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; he knew it was just temporarily his
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; so he cannot continue running the office after his term is terminated
08:14 schestowitz-TR2; like stealing papers that inly a seating president is supposed to have access to
08:16 Techrights-sec; ack
08:16 Techrights-sec; I expect they are cognizant of feeding the machine but to what extent are they
08:16 Techrights-sec; aware that it's maniuplative powers are outside their grasp and controlled byu
08:16 Techrights-sec; others?
08:16 Techrights-sec; IIRC the Saudis have restored controlling shares in Twitter
08:16 Techrights-sec; ... and then some
08:16 Techrights-sec; yes he was not about the office but about his own puffed up ego
08:16 Techrights-sec; There were some tweaks in the sorting order for latest-news.html
08:16 Techrights-sec; Given that the sorting happens within the script (Perl instead of SQL)
08:16 Techrights-sec; it is possible to make the algorith even more complex. Complexity is generally
08:17 Techrights-sec; bad but it would make it possible for the modification date to be ignored
08:17 Techrights-sec; in regards to the sort order for the items below the gap. Would that improve
08:17 Techrights-sec; usability?
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I saw that
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; I thought that horizontal split or vertical split can maybe somehow improve digestion
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; in the old TM there were feeds along the sides and down at the bottom of pages
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; I don't know how helpful those were to visitors, SEO etc.
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; but TM, I think, should be about "bang for buck" in ino sense
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; like, how quickly you can grasp what's truly important in the news
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; clustering of "lesser" news, I think, can help
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; or setting aside "timeless" howtos
08:19 Techrights-sec; They probably weren't helpful to either.
08:20 schestowitz-TR2; those bits of the page were partly inherited from susan, at least the general style was
08:21 Techrights-sec; Right now "RIP, Peter Eckersley (UPDATEDx5)" is at the top after the gap, but
08:21 Techrights-sec; it is from the 4th. So maybe it could be at the end of the list? It was updated recently but not in the last 24 hours and therefore could be sorted by
08:21 Techrights-sec; creation date rather than modification date. Thinking outloud on that one.
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; I updated it less than a day ago
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; people care about the death
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; I would not call it "hot" news
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; but that's why there might be room for high-profile news
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; balanced against "most recent"
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; afaik,. gulag noise did that too or does it now
08:23 schestowitz-TR2; so some stoiries bubble up to the top a lot
08:24 Techrights-sec; Yes, I'm not picking on that title because of the content but simply picking
08:24 Techrights-sec; the title which happens to be at the top after the gap at this particular
08:24 Techrights-sec; moment in time.
08:24 Techrights-sec; How should 'high profile' be tagged and how long should the priority from
08:24 Techrights-sec; that tagging persist? Right now, updated items get a boost for 24 hours.
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; I can tell you how that used to work
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; in drupal, a newly updated item was shown as having "new comments" near the very very very front page at the top
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; so there was a way to see the change
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; also through "latest comments"
08:27 schestowitz-TR2; how we handle things going forward, an open question
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; but there are things that get updated nearly a dozen times
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; to avoid flooding the site with more and more of the same thing
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; which is sometthing both rianne and I agree can be annoying
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; like a major ubuntu release flooding everything for many days
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; so people lose sightg of other, unique news
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; when accessing social controel media you might go
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; "what da fuck did I just do there? What did I waste time on? I know I did something. But what new stuff did I learn?? Why am I just angry"
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; so we want to do the opposite of that
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; no microsoft clickbait and provocation, we filter the BS/noise/PR
08:28 schestowitz-TR2; and high return on time
08:28 Techrights-sec; Ah. That is a bug. That post was updated less than 24 hours ago and appears
08:28 Techrights-sec; below the gap. The date calculation is in error.
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; the provocation apor noise is also a negative strtategy
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; in mass manipulating
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; distracting from somthing
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; or getting people angry, en masse, over things
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; also see: brigading
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; outrage culture, cancel culture
08:29 schestowitz-TR2; this has caused many suicides already (my dad said the same)
08:32 Techrights-sec; Good idea to de-escalate things like that, or at least attempt to.
08:32 Techrights-sec; Ad-based culture is already supersaturated with fear.
08:32 schestowitz-TR2; insecurity
08:41 Techrights-sec; That is a type of fear. Fear develops into anger according to some models.
08:41 Techrights-sec; If it is allowed to fester untreated for too long. Remember that the younger
08:41 Techrights-sec; the target of the effects is, the more permanent impact the manipulation has.
08:41 Techrights-sec; The emotional damage, including stunting, and (mis-)socialization afflicting
08:41 Techrights-sec; the current crop of teens has removed them from the societies they would have
08:41 Techrights-sec; otherwise grown to become part of. They are lost. They may speak the local
08:41 Techrights-sec; language but they are not, and can no longer, become part of that society
08:41 Techrights-sec; having been acculturated by Tiktok or whatever instead.
08:42 schestowitz-TR2; interesting, i never thought too much along those themes
08:51 Techrights-sec;
08:51 Techrights-sec; It's unfortunate and may be a civilization-ending public health problem.
08:51 Techrights-sec; Those that have not been afflicted with smartphones yet have a chance
08:51 Techrights-sec; if their parents can collectively find a way out of having to assign
08:51 Techrights-sec; a smartphone (and its associated skinner box-like "apps") to the next crop.
08:51 Techrights-sec; But they are small and growing fast all the while their parents are more
08:51 Techrights-sec; and more addicted to the hand-held skinner boxes themselves, and thoughtlessly
08:51 Techrights-sec; handing a small one a smartphone is currently considered an acceptable way
08:51 Techrights-sec; to pacify them. No wonder ADHD and other problems are enhanced these days.
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; in hindsight:
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; i was 19 when my aunt in FL bought me a Palm PDA
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; at first it helped me organised
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; then it started to control my life
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; at some stage I recognised it had downsides too
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; it has not controlled my life in a very long time
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; but this is not the same thing at all, except it's a handheld in the pocket
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; it's more like diary and todo, not FOMO and "likes"
08:53 schestowitz-TR2; so I guess one is a lot more addictive and has little practical gain
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09:12 Techrights-sec; ack
09:12 Techrights-sec; And the PDA was not actively, adaptively modifying your values, mores, ideas,
09:12 Techrights-sec; and emotions real-time. Remember that many (most?) teens are probably wasting
09:12 Techrights-sec; around five or six hours per day being programmed by those dis-services.
09:12 Techrights-sec; Subjectively time is experienced quite differently the younger you are and so
09:12 Techrights-sec; those hours in a teen are probably the behavioral equivalent to days or weeks
09:12 Techrights-sec; in an adult or older person.
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09:26 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:34 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "'Quiet Fleecing' of US Workers" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/09/analysis-shows-quiet-fleecing-us-workers-not-quiet-quitting-real-problem | Source: Common Dreams
11:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Analysis Shows 'Quiet Fleecing' of US WorkersNot 'Quiet Quitting'Is the Real Problem
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; relevant to the blame-shifting that we spoke about
11:34 schestowitz-TR2; reminds me of "great resignation;"
11:34 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:52 schestowitz-TR2; i spent (don't want to use the word "wasted") another half an hour
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; rectiofying something with rirc logs in gewmini://
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; at least some lessons learned
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; been a plot more productiuve (the day) since
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; many incidents today
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; inc. rianne having to reboot after kwin crashed (rare)
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; spoke to my dad, mostly agreeing about the state of the economy
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; told him rianne got 100%
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; they don't say, but she knew all the questions and was confident
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; it looks like we've done all the work at our end, now it's mostly waiting ahead
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; and so this morning rianne posted half a dozen pages in TM
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; let me know when you feel like the image uploader is read and/or can be added to the workflow
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; I've meanwhile decided to participate a bit less in irc so as to focus more on videos and articles
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; starting today it'll be more productive again
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; put some more urgent things behind, notable rianne's papers
11:53 schestowitz-TR2; *notably
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; ---
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; btw, there was two visits to the lawyer's office yesterday
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; solicitor, attorney,w hatever
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; there's a paralegal ana assiatent too
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; they're of HK origin, I think
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; the second visit was rianne only
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; as she needed to bring in some additional papers
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; power of attorney my passport etc. and I think we're done now
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; the rest can be done digitally
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; i told rianne they don't need to confirm she got 100% if she knew all the questions and the knowledge acquired ius valuable and relevant anyway
12:06 schestowitz-TR2; she knows the british system and history far better than me now
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12:10 Techrights-sec; ack
12:10 Techrights-sec; The image re-scaler is probably ok, but the aminated GIF problem raised some
12:10 Techrights-sec; questions. Will there be a lot of animated GIFs?
12:10 Techrights-sec; Nice once that is finally all settled.
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; animated gifs always seemed not to work right because the process is likely complex
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; de-assembling frame and then assembling new ones
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; I just messed around with it
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; in the more distant mast I hotlinked
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; last night I just wget the originals
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; and now came the resizer
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; and the risizing is what caused wrong output
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; before doing the real damage of crashing my machine
12:10 schestowitz-TR2; of course I hurried to remove that from the page, too
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; ---
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; the paperwork is a onc-in-a-lifetime thing, not just a passport
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; I'd not spend as much time ona visa or passport
12:12 schestowitz-TR2; in fact, I'd rather avoid countries that require a visa because of ratio between pursuing visa and being there (time spent can be almost the same!)
12:16 schestowitz-TR2; --
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; on to a less personal topic, so discussed the whole kids and news and economy thing, ...
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; my dad views kids as zombies now.
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; he mentioned "fotnight" (I read about it, never assessed if 'firsthand')
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; dad is not smart, but compensates for it with car
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; the demise of the news is felt, the weakening of kids, apparently there's also the angle of
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; making kids more feminise, lowering the chance of challenge from the lower class
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; *deminine/affiminate
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; *not sure about spelling, does not matter
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; passive workers and the false narrative is discussed in irc atm (or was discussed)
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; *compensates with cars, not car
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; he sees today's young kids glued to "smart" phones, which worries him and the parents
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; maybe younger parents cannot see what the issue is
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; *cars -> care
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; typo after typo
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; he's OK, but his insights are never very special
12:18 schestowitz-TR2; his grandkids are unable to communicate properly
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12:29 Techrights-sec; "Fortnight" is not a game but a social media event."
12:29 Techrights-sec; Many kids entering school / kindergarten do not have basic motor control
12:29 Techrights-sec; skills. Even many older kids, such as those entering pre-med at university.
12:29 Techrights-sec; old: https://boingboing.net/2019/10/26/future-tense.html
12:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-boingboing.net | "Affordances": a new science fiction story that climbs the terrible technology adoption curve | Boing Boing
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12:30 schestowitz; "A new science fiction story about how technical restrictions start with powerless people before coming for us all."
12:30 schestowitz; spy metets, self-service...
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; --a theme that keeps coming back, also to TR
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12:32 schestowitz-TR2; [11:58] <DaemonFC> The last people to admit it are bankers and government officials.
12:32 schestowitz-TR2; [11:59] <DaemonFC> Workers notice that they can't find a job, but the media portrays it as "losers who don't want one".
12:32 schestowitz-TR2; [11:59] <DaemonFC> "Great Resignation. Quiet Qutting.
12:32 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Microsoft-funded sites keep pushing this narrative; Linux typically has nothing to do with the malware, which gets put there some other way. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/new-linux-malware-combines-unusual-stealth-with-a-full-suite-of-capabilities/
12:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | New Linux malware combines unusual stealth with a full suite of capabilities | Ars Technica
12:35 Techrights-sec; ack
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13:19 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> Those systems need to be infected in the first place, and not the fault of "Linux" https://www.securityweek.com/new-shikitega-linux-malware-grabs-complete-control-infected-systems
13:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.Com
13:19 schestowitz-TR2; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- New 'Shikitega' Linux Malware Grabs Complete Control of Infected Systems | SecurityWeek.Com
13:19 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "AT&T didn't say how the initial infection occurs" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/10/in_brief_security/ better find out the actual cause of breach, and it's not likely to be Linux
13:19 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Shape-shifting cryptominer savaging Linux endpoints and IoT The Register
13:20 schestowitz-TR2; thought about doing a video, but this covers a pattern we covered several times before
13:20 schestowitz-TR2; if you can suggest a topic, it'll help
13:20 schestowitz-TR2; net rating a bit outside my confort soze
13:20 schestowitz-TR2; no firsthand experience
13:20 schestowitz-TR2; *comfort zone
13:37 Techrights-sec; ack
13:37 Techrights-sec; Net neutrality is always under threat.
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14:04 Techrights-sec; The question is which angle to discuss it from.
14:05 schestowitz-TR2; never mind, i got some new epo material
14:05 schestowitz-TR2; OTA
14:05 schestowitz-TR2; (michael west site became useless unless you want to read AP/AAP with a different theme)
14:07 Techrights-sec; Yes, I check the Michael West site but it is just wire feed content.
14:08 schestowitz-TR2; I still cull all the stuff matching "AAP"
14:08 schestowitz-TR2; but even afetr that, linking to the site if it's an AP syndication/content farm
14:08 schestowitz-TR2; basically send traffic to AP, not to Michael West
14:08 schestowitz-TR2; in which case, it'll be like sending traffic to the spammers at geeks4geeks
14:09 schestowitz-TR2; or to spamnil's spamfarm for that matter
14:09 schestowitz-TR2; or various redmond sites
14:09 Techrights-sec; I'm considering stopping checking it at all.
14:09 Techrights-sec; He used to write very good material.
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; the top of the site still says "Independent Journalists"
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; but below that there's staff of AP
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; if you don't play close attention
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; so it's misportraying what's there now
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; OTA
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; for now I'll wait a bit and reserve judgement
14:10 schestowitz-TR2; they might come around
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14:50 schestowitz; "
14:50 schestowitz; ILOAT Judgment 4551 on mass emails - Waiting for execution
14:50 schestowitz; Dear colleagues,
14:50 schestowitz; As already explained in a letter of 29 July 2022, there is no legal or technical requirements preventing the EPO from granting authorisation to Staff Committees and their members to use the EPO mailing lists. In fact, granting authorisation is technically a matter of seconds for the EPO internal IT services (BIT) and could have been easily done already immediately after the Judgment was issued.
14:50 schestowitz; The EPO has not executed Judgment No. 4551 two months after the ruling of the Tribunal. In this open letter, the Central and the four Local Staff Committees demand the immediate execution of Judgment No. 4551 and no later than 30 September 2022.
14:50 schestowitz; The Central Staff Committee - CSC
14:50 schestowitz; "
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15:19 schestowitz-TR2; anger over epo corruption is building up again
15:19 schestowitz-TR2; of course politicians don't life a finger
15:19 schestowitz-TR2; 8*lift
15:42 Techrights-sec; ack
15:42 Techrights-sec; What would it take, besides bribes, for EU representatives to begin to
15:42 Techrights-sec; examine the EPO disaster?
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; darft
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; it's hopeless
15:53 schestowitz-TR2; expanding acronyms
16:08 Techrights-sec; checking
16:08 Techrights-sec; Just be sure to expand acronyms once in the text itself, please.
16:08 Techrights-sec; thanks!
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17:13 schestowitz-TR2; mozilla is a fiasco
17:13 schestowitz-TR2; dreaft
17:13 Techrights-sec; More details about the warning given by thunderbird would be interesting.
17:13 Techrights-sec; Notice that their links is to AWS and not to Mozilla.
17:13 Techrights-sec; More can be said about the embargo or lack thereof.
17:24 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, I have amended it with more info
17:24 schestowitz-TR2; I could say more, but am being a little lazy about it
17:24 schestowitz-TR2; and being from SF, they had to add that genderphobic BS to the email
17:24 schestowitz-TR2; like I don't know cherie is the name of a girl
17:26 Techrights-sec; thanks!
17:26 Techrights-sec; checking
17:26 Techrights-sec; thanks!
17:26 Techrights-sec; checking
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; I need more topics tbh, email is mostly spam
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; notice how often hause of saud bribes people for silence
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; like the families of victims
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; or whistleblowers
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; here, they buy the politicians
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; so the corrollary is,
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; if you do the crime, don't do the time
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; just pay the people who can hold you accountable
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; it works
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; football is all postponed
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; I told you it's taken VERY seriously here
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; you can see many .uk sites going "dark"
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17:49 schestowitz-TR2; she is a relic from BE (empire's era)
17:49 schestowitz-TR2; and her existence
17:49 schestowitz-TR2; helps justified some people's sense of entitlement
17:49 schestowitz-TR2; not just naked nationalism
17:50 schestowitz-TR2; and she is not coming back
17:50 schestowitz-TR2; her kids are already tarnished
17:50 Techrights-sec; Looking
17:53 schestowitz-TR2; financial issues, inc. parents'
17:53 schestowitz-TR2; that's likely a bigger factor
17:53 schestowitz-TR2; set aside climate issues, hose price, job propsects
17:53 schestowitz-TR2; *house
17:53 Techrights-sec; Mozilla won't remove or let you remove that Pocket crap.
17:53 Techrights-sec; Techdirt has some article on twitter politics
17:53 Techrights-sec; TechDirt has had its 25th anniversary, https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/09/last-chance-to-join-us-for-the-techdirt-25th-anniversary-party/
17:53 Techrights-sec; congratulations on the /tech/ coverage
17:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Last Chance To Join Us For The Techdirt 25th Anniversary Party! | Techdirt
17:57 Techrights-sec; One of Louis Rossmann's videos had direct mention of FOSS
17:57 Techrights-sec; recently.
17:58 schestowitz-TR2; his fight has not been in the headlines for years
17:58 schestowitz-TR2; he must adapt
18:00 Techrights-sec; There is overlap between right to repair, doctrine of first sale, and
18:00 Techrights-sec; software freedom.
18:00 schestowitz-TR2; I posted some of his latetss, from daily links, and also all the above-mentioned from techdirt
18:00 schestowitz-TR2; I don't see the ads~spam from techdirt
18:00 schestowitz-TR2; michael geist was active for a whole, then he disappears for ages
18:00 schestowitz-TR2; no consistent momnetum
18:03 Techrights-sec; Not entirely, it is 1) gaining ground albeit unevenly and 2) raising awareness
18:03 Techrights-sec; of the /necessity/ of software freedom among an entirely new and different base
18:03 Techrights-sec; than traditional software developers and hardcore power users
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; the way I see it, the terms change, the trends are waves
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; like swpats
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; patent trolls
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; then other framings
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; the media chooses how to frame it for the masses
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; maybe now social control media too
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; and lobbying 'events'
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; so one must keep up
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; right to repair is seen as yesterday's battle
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; same for NN
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; and swpats
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; you can still write like FSF
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; but even FSF no longer writes like FSF
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; now it's "HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI"
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; same in OSI site
18:03 schestowitz-TR2; HEY HI all the time
18:04 Techrights-sec; Social control media exisits for mass manipulation of public opinion and to
18:04 Techrights-sec; poison attitudes against specific positions. Softeware freedom is one.
18:04 Techrights-sec; The doctrine of first sale is another (right to repair). '
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; it changes how people speak and WHAT they speak about
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; hence, algospeak'
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; the thing to do, therefore, is ignore it altogether
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; flush it down
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; speak about the REAL issues
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; the social control media's REAL owners' goal is to distract from such issues
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; like they bury some biden scandals
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; and even admit it
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; that's also frames as a binary choice; 'bash' biden, that makes you pro-trump nazi
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; or "election denier"
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; (person who rejects proprietary abck-dooed voting 'PCs')
18:06 schestowitz-TR2; that you can buy from ebay to reverse-engineer
18:06 Techrights-sec; Yes Newspeak.
18:06 Techrights-sec; https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/more-tech-support/201403/the-new-skinner-box-web-and-mobile-analytics
18:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.psychologytoday.com | The New Skinner Box: Web and Mobile Analytics | Psychology Today
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; take my words for it: they are a fad
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; "smart" mobile "phones", social control media
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; some games
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; my dad is clueless about most tech, but he too can see endless harm
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; hence he keeps some distance (and he worked his whole life selling electronics!)
18:08 schestowitz-TR2; society will rebel against at least some of these things
18:09 Techrights-sec; The endless harm won't bring about an end to Facebook or its properties nor
18:09 Techrights-sec; to the smartphones, rather it is a factor in prolonging their painful existence
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; with narcotics
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; the addicted die younger, alarming the rest
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; those who become addicted to ewaste shit will perish and vanish
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; annd they don't have much pourchasingf power, either
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; the mistake we make is,
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; we sometimes think we can 'help' them
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; but they are addicts
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; and our 6 minutes of plaetings are beaten by 6 hours a day with fake 'friends'
18:12 Techrights-sec; cancel and troll
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; who are just used as pawns and avataar by mass manipulation companies that hire psychs to enhance the dependability
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; either way, if we stick to the issues, and if we foster young rebels, there's hope counter-momvements will grow
18:12 schestowitz-TR2; then yuo have idiots on meds like mr. gulag trying to 'cancel' those who do pave the way
18:14 schestowitz-TR2; those trolls have very limited shelf liefe
18:14 schestowitz-TR2; they're discarded/.disploased by oligarchs who hold their strings
18:14 schestowitz-TR2; becausee each round of trolling makes them enemies
18:14 schestowitz-TR2; then they 'leave' kernel dev
18:15 schestowitz-TR2; after like 10 years wasted, learning the APIs but pissing off all the colleagues
18:15 schestowitz-TR2; not just gulag but also nnot-so-shapr
18:15 schestowitz-TR2; who not build a a career in trollling at SFC
18:15 schestowitz-TR2; *now builds
18:15 Techrights-sec; https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/09/mozilla_cso_ftc_surveillance/
18:15 Techrights-sec; https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2022/09/commercial-surveillance-data-security-anpr-public-forum
18:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theregister.com | Mozilla wants FTC to fine Big Tech's surveillance giants The Register
18:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ftc.gov | Commercial Surveillance and Data Security Public Forum | Federal Trade Commission
18:16 schestowitz; https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin
18:16 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and Society
18:16 schestowitz-TR2; checking where erwin came from..
18:16 schestowitz-TR2; https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin
18:20 Techrights-sec; "Marshall began his career in the intelligence community, where ..."
18:20 Techrights-sec; https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_related
18:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-cyberlaw.stanford.edu | Marshall Erwin | Center for Internet and Society
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; Hitler started his career as a defence worker
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; (artillery)
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; sorry
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; the "defence COMMUNITY"
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; it does not say which agency he was in, but they mention Libya
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; he could just as well be a CIA hire for mozilla
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; like github hired from NSA to CSO of GitHub
18:20 schestowitz-TR2; which would show how closely connected mozilla became to the State (capitalised)
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; can you find out which "Company" is "intelligence community"
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; there is ther joke
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; that CIA is known as "the Company"
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; also we need to be sure what year he was hired and whether there was another employer in between
18:22 schestowitz-TR2; aka "cool-off" periods
18:23 Techrights-sec; https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/about/people/marshall-erwin?qt-tabs_user_related=2#qt-tabs_user_related
18:23 Techrights-sec; https://docs.house.gov/meetings/HA/HA00/20220216/114403/HHRG-117-HA00-Bio-ErwinM-20220216.pdf
18:23 Techrights-sec; *The* Company
18:23 Techrights-sec; "I spent roughly the first five years of my career in the CIAs ..."
18:23 Techrights-sec; https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/marshall-erwin-trust/
18:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.mozilla.org | Rapid Fire: Marshall Erwin talks trust and security at Mozilla and Firefox
18:23 Techrights-sec; "He joined the company six years ago..."
18:23 Techrights-sec; https://www.protocol.com/mozilla-employees
18:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Ex-Mozilla employees lead the tech reform charge - Protocol
18:26 schestowitz-TR2; the libya thing was not long beforehand
18:26 Techrights-sec; ack
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; draft
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; still working on it
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; it'll be a good ref in the future
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; notice they only added CIA later in an update to their post
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; maybe it was intentionally timed
18:46 schestowitz-TR2; to be missed
18:46 Techrights-sec; There's little/no content in the text part?
18:46 Techrights-sec; ack
18:46 Techrights-sec; s/trustowrthy/trustworthy/
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; i think I will do a vieo about it, citing the images, then do text
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; my question about where he came from
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; was based on past patterns I noticed
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; and then you wonder why those MFers aree pushing the CA artel down our throats
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; for all I know, Moz is GAFAM and state
18:48 schestowitz-TR2; not 'free' software
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18:59 Techrights-sec; ack
18:59 Techrights-sec; The CA model they uses facilitates MitM
18:59 Techrights-sec; especially with their antipathy towards self-vouched for certificates.
18:59 Techrights-sec; They are especially state, then after that Google specifically though
18:59 Techrights-sec; pandering to M$ a lot.
18:59 Techrights-sec; https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/09/08/0113234#1270987
18:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Honoring Peter Eckersley, Who Made the Internet a Safer Place for Everyone - SoylentNews
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; he was friends with Daniel P.
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; If it was not cancer, you'd be able to make up or come up with theories
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; anyway, his intentions were good at first
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; in recent years we saw Gulag et al treating sites not controlled by THEM like they're a bunch of lepers
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; "get me out of here!"
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; failing that, zero rating ;-)
19:11 schestowitz-TR2; I wonder but did not check which CA the FSF outsources services to
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; making a meme
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; hopefully not over the top
19:29 schestowitz-TR2; humour never killed anyone
19:29 Techrights-sec; ack
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; many orgs are being defang
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; metaphorically getting their dicks removed
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; and projects, orgs, communities orphaned
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; RMS, EFF, Moz...
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; what's left is a relic without charisma or clue
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; I choose to think what happend to freenode too is a misfortunate turn of events
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; there is an NDA ending next year iirc
19:32 schestowitz-TR2; phanes then has some stories to tell
19:32 Techrights-sec; ack
19:32 Techrights-sec; https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/sanford-and-son-star-redd-foxxs-death-sadly-imitated-his-sitcom-shtick.html/
19:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cheatsheet.com | 'Sanford and Son' Star Redd Foxx's Death Sadly Imitated His Sitcom Shtick
19:32 Techrights-sec; Hopefully those dumb enough to have signed the NDA will speak up then.
19:34 schestowitz-TR2; andrew tried to hire me also
19:34 schestowitz-TR2; and kaniini
19:34 schestowitz-TR2; we turned that down
19:36 Techrights-sec; Thankfully so.
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20:34 Techrights-sec; https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/
20:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.patrick-breyer.de | Chat Control Patrick Breyer
20:36 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR2: On meds?
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