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1 AM, February 10

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2 AM, February 10

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3 AM, February 10

03:37 schestowitz-TR2; we got ti right again! github layoffs


4 AM, February 10

04:46 schestowitz-TR2; psydruid: to elaborate a bit

04:46 schestowitz-TR2; for a long time clownflare tolerated

04:46 schestowitz-TR2; copyright infringements

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; nazi sites

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; until 2017 iirc

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; because of daily stormer

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; and did not think a cdn should be in internet policing business

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; so what you see above ia a hateful campaign for an irish transphobe

04:47 schestowitz-TR2; against an american who defends the first amendement

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; not wishing to deplatform site

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; as a cdn

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; so this sinister 'activism' is in fact an attack by mjg on the internet itself

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; sort of like putin

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; gulagboy is an irish putin

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; 'cleansing' the net

04:48 schestowitz-TR2; and riling up lunatics

04:49 schestowitz-TR2; ignore the colourful language

04:49 schestowitz-TR2; the bad language is a secondary issu

04:50 schestowitz-TR2; on the upside, i can now show more about graveley

04:50 schestowitz-TR2; whom gulagboy was rushing to 'defend'

04:50 schestowitz-TR2; to say he was wrongly reported on

04:50 schestowitz-TR2; nope

04:50 schestowitz-TR2; it is worse

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/01/05/1354254

↺ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=23/01/05/1354254

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; "

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; As projected here back in October, there is now a class action lawsuit, albeit in its earliest stages, against Microsoft over its blatant license violation through its use of the M$ GitHub Copilot tool. The software project, Copilot, strips copyright licensing and attribution from existing copyrighted code on an unprecedented scale. The class action lawsuit insists that machine learning algorithms, often marketed as "Artificial

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; Intelligence", are not exempt from copyright law nor are the wielders of such tools.

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; The $9 billion in damages is arrived at through scale. When M$ Copilot rips code without attribution and strips the copyright license from it, it violates the DMCA three times. So if olny 1% of its 1.2M users receive such output, the licenses were breached 12k times with translates to 36k DMCA violations, at a very low-ball estimate.

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; "If each user receives just one Output that violates Section 1202 throughout their time using Copilot (up to fifteen months for the earliest adopters), then GitHub and OpenAI have violated the DMCA 3,600,000 times. At minimum statutory damages of $2500 per violation, that translates to $9,000,000,000," the litigants stated.

04:53 schestowitz[TR2]; Besides open-source licenses and DMCA ( 1202, which forbids the removal of copyright-management information), the lawsuit alleges violation of GitHub's terms of service and privacy policies, the California Consumer Privacy Act (CCPA), and other laws."

04:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-soylentnews.org | Microsoft, GitHub, and OpenAI Sued for $9B in Damages Over Piracy - SoylentNews

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; it also goes years back, YEARS

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; with several incidents of each

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; many victims apparently

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:19] <schestowitz> my wife is reading the police report

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:20] <Source> What police report?[18:20]

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; <Source> The one I sent you the affidavit?

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:23] <Source> Sorry lost you there

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:24] <schestowitz> yes

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:24] <schestowitz> I got:

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:24] <schestowitz> [18:20] <Source> The one I sent you the affidavit?

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:24] <schestowitz> [18:23] <Source> Sorry lost you there

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:25] <schestowitz> maybe there's some software to tell the phone not to turn off network when idle

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:25] <schestowitz> some media players are capable of doing so

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:25] <Source> Yeah I wish there was like caffeine for iPhone

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:26] <Source> I use that on my laptop and it's helpful.

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:26] <schestowitz> I don't use mobile

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:26] <schestowitz> but I heard of "caffeine"

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:28] <Source> So that document is more of a petition to the courts[18:28] <schestowitz> it's quite strong

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:28] <Source> To establish probable cause and acquire a warrant [18:28] <schestowitz> if past victims add to it

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:28] <Source> Caffeine is just a Mac app that keeps your laptop from going to sleep[18:28] <schestowitz> then the warrant is stronger, I guess

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> Well they're both legal documents from a US court systems perspective

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> As long as you're using the word allegations are fine

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> Because the police wrote this document

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> Basically the police arrested him and wrote a report which we don't have

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> And it looks like a couple of days later they went to the court because Alex had run away

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> And they went to the court and said hey we have probable cause to arrest this guy can you issue a warrant[18:29] <schestowitz> it would be good to have hard material for that

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:29] <Source> My friend from France explained to me that the police don't need probable cause in Europe[18:30] <Source> I'm not sure what it's like in the UK

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:30] <Source> But he said that they can just like tell you to empty your pockets for no reason

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:30] <schestowitz> I'm not sure either

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:30] <schestowitz> IANAL

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:30] <Source> yeah so this document is basically just a bunch of paperwork saying that that you have a right to arrest and search Alex's person [18:31] <Source> And that he's going to have to go to court docket to see if the prosecutor wants to it [18:31] <Source> It's sort of like a notification that he needs to go to court to deal with this[18:32] <Source> because in the US we have all these rights around search and sei

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; zure because of the constitution there's more paperwork basically[18:33] <Source> In france they can arrest you and question you without probable cause[18:33] <Source> Not that that doesn't happen that the US. Police make up probable cause all the time[18:33] <Source> Which is what Black Lives Matter is complaining about

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:34] <schestowitz> I see...

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:34] <schestowitz> thanks for cluing me up

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:34] <schestowitz> outside my knowledgebase so to speak

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:34] <Source> Yeah so it's a court document. It has more weight than a police report

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:35] <Source> It means that a officer didn't decide that there was probable cause. It means that the court agreed on the probable cause and that's why he was able to get arrested even though he wasn't in the act of a crime[18:37] <schestowitz> I see

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:38] <Source> There will be another police report about the actual arrest but i haven't gotten it yet[18:39] <Source> Obviously you should fact check what I said. These are Travis County Court proceedings. [18:41] <schestowitz> thanks

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:41] <schestowitz> I will cover this slowly

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:41] <schestowitz> once per week

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:41] <schestowitz> so there's time to verify and relate to current news beats

04:57 schestowitz[TR2]; [18:41] <schestowitz> like Nat 'leaving'


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05:42 techrightssec; The one post mentions GitLab without specifying the connection or lack of

05:42 techrightssec; connection between GitLab and M$ GitHub.


7 AM, February 10

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; the one post tnat i saw frist was a microsoft mole

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; maria

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; she had the audscity to use gitlab logo in article about githublayoffs

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; way to confuse

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; these criminals larned from the 90s

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; they need to infltrate andnbribe the media

07:03 schestowitz-TR2; like gangs and mafia infikltrate the polite and the state

07:04 techrightssec; Pure misdirection.

07:04 techrightssec; That there is no connection between GitLab and GitHub is important then


9 AM, February 10

09:24 schestowitz-TR2; your code runs nicely, thank you

09:24 schestowitz-TR2; atm i have a massive file with all the html shown

09:24 schestowitz-TR2; no easy way to fold/unfold

09:25 schestowitz-TR2; so this cascading ui can help navigate

09:25 schestowitz-TR2; i forgot how beatiul it is to read news without any images and other diversions

09:25 schestowitz-TR2; INCLUDING Linux news


11 AM, February 10

11:11 techrightssec; np

11:28 schestowitz-TR2; Dawah. https://www.michigandaily.com/campus-life/global-islamic-studies-center-hosts-islamic-thought-and-civilization-event/

↺ https://www.michigandaily.com/campus-life/global-islamic-studies-center-hosts-islamic-thought-and-civilization-event/

11:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michigandaily.com | Islamic Center hosts 'Islamic Thought and Civilization' event

11:30 schestowitz-TR2; "I remember growing up adamant that I would never have children. A large part of this was because I hated hospitals, blood and the thought of childbirth." https://www.michigandaily.com/opinion/in-our-society-motherhood-is-an-expectation-rather-than-a-choice-children/

↺ https://www.michigandaily.com/opinion/in-our-society-motherhood-is-an-expectation-rather-than-a-choice-children/

11:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michigandaily.com | Society should see having children as a choice, not an expectation

11:31 schestowitz-TR2; they fucked around with the headline somewhat

11:31 schestowitz-TR2; the editor projecting

11:32 schestowitz-TR2; the "don't want to 'insult' readers who have kids" BS

11:32 schestowitz-TR2; maybe inc. the editor whose feelings and choices get challenged

11:32 schestowitz-TR2; and ADVERTISERS'

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noon, February 10

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; draft

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; would be worth linking to a page with a list of links

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; i know only 3 offhan

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; there are dozens, maybe hundreds

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; sometimes the simpler ones are better

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; not over-engineered

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; easier to learn

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; like cgit

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; many lists of github alternatives would be lists of sites, not software

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; as ifgit itself is never worth learning

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; or as if developers are boors who cannot study how to use it

12:02 schestowitz-TR2; and don't know how to use email

12:03 techrightssec; checking

12:03 techrightssec; might mention a list of M$ GitHub competitors in addition to GitLab

12:03 techrightssec; I'm not sure of a summary of version control hosting services.

12:03 techrightssec; btw did techcrunch go away, it seems to have been replaced with a redirection?

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; the "don't want to 'insult' readers who have kids" BS

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; maybe inc. the editor whose feelings and choices get challenged

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; and ADVERTISERS'

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; techrunch is an old and dying brand

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; ued by msft zack and others

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; it does not ave much real value anymoe

12:04 schestowitz-TR2; it seldom breaks news

12:06 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> it looks like the wikipedia article on git was heavily tampered by microsoft and microsofers. even technical articles there have turned into mindless, misleading marketing.

12:09 schestowitz-TR2; [12:09:06] <techrights-news> https://git-scm.com/downloads is promoting github. So you want git and its sends you to PROPRIETARY site of MICROSOFT to get the latest version. Insane. GitHub is an ATTACK on Git. Seems it's already attacked from THE INSIDE.

↺ https://git-scm.com/downloads

12:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git-scm.com | Git - Downloads

12:09 schestowitz-TR2; [12:09:06] [TechrightsSocial] git-scm.com | Git - Downloads

12:13 schestowitz-TR2; found two relativebly authoritative urls

12:36 techrightssec; excellent

12:37 schestowitz-TR2; the goal is to normalise this idea that self-hosting is ok

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; and doable

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; and provide pointers

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; if everyone does it, github is doomed

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; like skype

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; btw, rianne talks to family over mumble and it's good

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; headphones help

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; site a > sites b anc c -> sites d-z

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; needto set the tone and let it roll on

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; like with boycottnovell

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; mumble the official sw is simple

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; i think my one video about it covered most point

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; *points

12:38 schestowitz-TR2; doing another one abiout advance ones would be not useful and also need prior research/tinkering

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