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07:13 *Now talking on #boycottnovell

07:13 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social

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07:13 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021

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07:21 Techrights-sec; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/protecting-graveley-at-microsoft/

gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/08/protecting-graveley-at-microsoft/

07:21 Techrights-sec; The summary text is missing the key information which was relayed in the image.

07:21 Techrights-sec; It needs a line saying something about that the date of the post in some site

07:21 Techrights-sec; shows that Graveley is still working on behalf of M$ in an official capacity.

07:21 Techrights-sec; Also the court docket scan could be described a little.

07:21 Techrights-sec; Should FOSSForce be added to the automated links?

07:21 schestowitz-TR; I will do a followup soon

07:21 schestowitz-TR; yes, let's add that rss feed, remember there's some google tracking cruft in its urls

07:29 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/GyroGen_TM/status/1468734864228855809

↺ https://twitter.com/GyroGen_TM/status/1468734864228855809

07:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GyroGen_TM: @schestowitz Garbage, garbage, garbage . . . Maybe ONE good one???

07:30 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1468672835413594121

↺ https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1468672835413594121

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Bit by bit copy is available on any OS, not the same when it comes to creating partitions and formatti https://t.co/jgj9h8VRKD

↺ https://t.co/jgj9h8VRKD

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zoobab: @schestowitz Bit by bit copy is available on any OS, not the same when it comes to creating partitions and formatti https://t.co/jgj9h8VRKD

↺ https://t.co/jgj9h8VRKD

07:30 schestowitz; https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468672835413594121

↺ https://nitter.eu/zoobab/status/1468672835413594121

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-nitter.eu | zoobab "NO Software Patents" (@zoobab): "Bit by bit copy is available on any OS, not the same when it comes to creating partitions and formatting with special filesystems." | nitter

07:30 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/zalmut/status/1468555597415010304

↺ https://twitter.com/zalmut/status/1468555597415010304

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@zalmut: Yeaa got it again https://t.co/j5Qsa09AqN

↺ https://t.co/j5Qsa09AqN

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Winners in the Month of LibreOffice, November 2021! https://t.co/jffpY31g3C #libreoffice #freesw

↺ https://t.co/jffpY31g3C

07:30 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/Capetok_/status/1468434591669276676

↺ https://twitter.com/Capetok_/status/1468434591669276676

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Capetok_: Si su VPN es Surfshark y usted se siente seguro, lea esto y saque sus conclusiones https://t.co/ozs5JFwbBb

↺ https://t.co/ozs5JFwbBb

07:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: NEWS #KrebsOnSecurity Ubiquiti Developer Charged With Extortion, Causing 2020 Breach https://t.co/4tLokpa0XP

↺ https://t.co/4tLokpa0XP

07:36 schestowitz-TR; I was under pressure of time, working 1am-9am and doing lots of private messaging. hence lack of articles yesterday and very short ones

07:42 schestowitz-TR; bug found in my new code, so now we finally have a case of oops

07:42 schestowitz-TR; basically, lines too long for irc, will correct

07:47 schestowitz-TR; I've just overwritten xhtml-to-to-text with your latest version of it

07:59 schestowitz; On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 09:22:37AM +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

07:59 schestowitz; > > People who say "darkweb" help the likes of BBC perpetuate ruinous myths,

07:59 schestowitz; > > e.g. about a forum that requires a username/password to access.

07:59 schestowitz; Let me be clear about my position on the BBC. I worked there in radio

07:59 schestowitz; in the late 90s and loved it, happy times. Practically, the

07:59 schestowitz; organisation itself was great, they bought equipment I asked for, paid

07:59 schestowitz; invoices and expenses on time, treated people politely and had good

07:59 schestowitz; grub in the canteen. And there were smart, engaging people there, a

07:59 schestowitz; culture I miss.

07:59 schestowitz; Yet politically the organisation was, and is, a hive of cultivated

07:59 schestowitz; naivety and cowardice. Like all big agencies, government, intelligence

07:59 schestowitz; etc, it has its's own internal narrative that is totally

07:59 schestowitz; delusional. In their minds they were never complicit in spreading lies

07:59 schestowitz; that started the Iraq war - they literally believe that. But on a more

07:59 schestowitz; personal level to see how "circles of silence" actually operate was

07:59 schestowitz; enlightening. Everyone would say Jimmy Savile is a pederast and

07:59 schestowitz; necrophile. Prominent people said to my face "you know he likes to

07:59 schestowitz; fuck dead kids, especially the disabled ones that are most helpless?

07:59 schestowitz; ... but never say that!". Anyone who said it too loud disappeared.

07:59 schestowitz; Being made party that "shop talk" was a rite of acceptance (Blutkitt

07:59 schestowitz; in Nazi parlence) even for peripheral auxiliaries like me. Everyone

07:59 schestowitz; knew (as John Bowlby put it) what they were not supposed to know, and

07:59 schestowitz; were compliant in keeping it an "open" secret within the business. I

07:59 schestowitz; first heard that in '96 and it didn't really surface publicly until

07:59 schestowitz; 2016. So to my firsthand knowledge at least two decades passed where a

07:59 schestowitz; known child molestere operated with impunity within the highest levels

07:59 schestowitz; of the establishment.

07:59 schestowitz; As a student of organisational dynamics and psychology I hold the BBC

07:59 schestowitz; no more or less accountable than any other institution stuffed with


8 AM, December 9

08:00 schestowitz; snivelling cowards, failed creatives, hopelessly failed leaders and

08:00 schestowitz; narcissistic psychopaths - all the human waste that institutions

08:00 schestowitz; attract and amplify at senior levels.

08:00 schestowitz; > But first about Tor. The project used to have a more detailed page

08:00 schestowitz; > explaining its user base, but the gist remains:

08:00 schestowitz; I've written extensively on overlay networks, the US Navy remit and

08:00 schestowitz; the demonisation of privacy respecting networks by mass media. Not

08:00 schestowitz; sure how much made it into Digital Vegan.

08:00 schestowitz; > Another use-case is it provides a steady address as well as the

08:00 schestowitz; > ability to "NAT punch" for road warriors and those in similar

08:00 schestowitz; > situations.

08:00 schestowitz; I routinely use several mainstream sites (DDG and BBC) that have

08:00 schestowitz; hidden servivce. Often if I'm travelleing and in hotel rooms Tor is

08:00 schestowitz; the only access I can and will use to get out to the world. One of

08:00 schestowitz; the biggest threats to privacy and security on the web in my mind is

08:00 schestowitz; therefore Cloudflare and other CDNs that make almost half of the web

08:00 schestowitz; off-limits to me (no real loss afaics as its mainly trash sites).

08:00 schestowitz; > Now about self-signed certificates, I too observe that the major web

08:00 schestowitz; > browsers, and allied institutions and businesses, have oriented their

08:00 schestowitz; > software and activities to discourage, disparage, and/or block

08:00 schestowitz; > self-signed certificates for web sites. Note the bad "safety" rating

08:00 schestowitz; > that Netcraft gives such HTTPS sites.

08:00 schestowitz; > However, the harm is greater and more insidious than it looks like at

08:00 schestowitz; > first glance: the self-signed part does not refer to the certificate

08:00 schestowitz; > signing itself. The self-signed part refers to the act when an

08:00 schestowitz; > institution (project, business, school, whatever) signs its own. Those

08:00 schestowitz; > discouraging self-signing are doing no less than attacking the authority

08:00 schestowitz; > of those institutions to be allowed to testify themselves as to the

08:00 schestowitz; > integrity and confidentiality of their own communications.

08:00 schestowitz; This is an excellent point that bridges security engineering and

08:00 schestowitz; law. Since there is no link between self-signing and "safety" it seems

08:00 schestowitz; like a case of libelous misinformation. I wonder how exposed to

08:00 schestowitz; liability Netcraft or Google are for misleading potential customers of

08:00 schestowitz; self-signing sites?

08:00 schestowitz; > for c in /etc/ssl/certs/*;

08:00 schestowitz; > do openssl x509 -text -noout -in $c;

08:00 schestowitz; > done | awk '($1=$1) && $1=="Issuer:"' | sort | less

08:00 schestowitz; It would be interesting to plot the output of this over time

08:00 schestowitz; to see the inevitable convergence on "trust monopolists"

08:00 schestowitz; > On 12/8/21 11:26, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

08:01 schestowitz; >> another noteworthy aspect is: the extra complexity and risk of

08:01 schestowitz; >> non-renewal (why expiry so rapid in LE?) encourages outsourcing and

08:01 schestowitz; >> centralisation. Complexity like systemd, which might help sell support

08:01 schestowitz; >> contracts rather than hire competent engineers in-house.

08:01 schestowitz; >>

08:01 schestowitz; >

08:01 schestowitz; > That kind of complexity appears to be in pursuit of decommodification.

08:01 schestowitz; > All the companies seem to be aiming to take part of the commons

08:01 schestowitz; > proprietary.

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10:31 schestowitz-TR; will watch carefully next night: 1) irc bot

10:31 schestowitz-TR; 2) whether the output in gmi is still OK

10:31 schestowitz-TR; could use another pair of eyes ;-)

10:31 schestowitz-TR; next week I have two days taken off work

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10:38 Techrights-sec; 0c19b1a..e04cfde

10:38 Techrights-sec; added fossforce

10:38 schestowitz-TR; cool!

10:38 schestowitz-TR; I've rebuilt my relations with that site, which gives TM traffic

10:38 schestowitz-TR; no more bruce byfield dominating that site

10:39 Techrights-sec; Excellent. They also appear to use a decent CMS which is easy to parse.


11 AM, December 9

11:11 Techrights-sec; That's good news. He was kind of against FOSS and at best damning it with

11:11 Techrights-sec; faint praise.

11:11 schestowitz-TR; yes

11:11 schestowitz-TR; he is till active in linuxmag

11:13 Techrights-sec; :(

11:28 schestowitz; "

11:28 schestowitz; [SUEPO] Challenging the New Career System: Complaint against the general decision CA/D 10/14 -> DEADLINE 15 DECEMBER 2021

11:28 schestowitz; Dear SUEPO members,

11:28 schestowitz; In May 2021, SUEPO distributed templates and instructions to file complaints against the New Career System (NCS) on the basis of the individual decisions of lack of automatic step and the transposition letter.

11:28 schestowitz; On 17 September 2021, Ms Simon (VP4) issued a rejection decision on appeal RI/2017/041 against the general decision CA/D 10/14 of the NCS.

11:28 schestowitz; SUEPO recommends appellants to also file a complaint in front of the Tribunal on this basis. This publication explains how. SUEPO members receive the required instructions and templates by email.

11:28 schestowitz; If you are a SUEPO member and have not received by email the instructions and templates, or need help, please contact your local SUEPO committee:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

11:28 schestowitz; The deadline for filing is 15 December.

11:28 schestowitz; SUEPO Central

11:28 schestowitz; "

11:29 schestowitz; "

11:29 schestowitz; Back in 2015, SUEPO invited staff to file (around March 2015) a management review to

11:29 schestowitz; the Administrative Council (AC) against the general decision CA/D 10/14 of the New

11:29 schestowitz; Career System.

11:29 schestowitz;

11:29 schestowitz; In its 144th meeting, which took place on 24 and 25 June 2015, the Council decided to

11:29 schestowitz; dismiss the requests as manifestly irreceivable and published its decision on 9 July 2015.

11:29 schestowitz; In a letter to the requesters dated 14 July 2015, the Chairman of the Council stated that

11:29 schestowitz; the Councils decision to reject these requests constitutes a final decision which may be

11:29 schestowitz; challenged in front of the Tribunal.

11:29 schestowitz;

11:29 schestowitz; SUEPO invited staff to file (around October 2015) a complaint in front of the Tribunal. The

11:29 schestowitz; complaint was registered under the reference AT-5 4193.

11:29 schestowitz;

11:29 schestowitz; In a letter dated 13 February 2017, the Chairman of the Council notified the complainants

11:29 schestowitz; that in view of Judgment 3796, the rejection decision of the Council was withdrawn and

11:29 schestowitz; remitted the case to the President. The remittal was later endorsed by the Tribunal in

11:29 schestowitz; Judgment 4255 on 10 February 2020.

11:29 schestowitz;

11:29 schestowitz; On 12 April 217, the President rejected the request for review under the reference MR

11:29 schestowitz; 2017-0031.

11:29 schestowitz; "

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20:46 *Now talking on #boycottnovell

20:46 *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social

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20:46 *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~roy@haii6za73zabc.irc at Tue Jun 1 20:22:10 2021

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