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07:27 Techrights-sec; fixed broken permissions in /home/links/ipfs/ and /home/links/ on tr-new
07:27 Techrights-sec; can log in again now
07:27 Techrights-sec; just got the upload working after diagnosing the permissions
07:27 Techrights-sec; I'll aim the IPFS script at the new location next
07:27 schestowitz-TR; thanks!
07:27 schestowitz-TR; did the file there work ok? for not I run this manually, I still want to make enhancements tot eh scripts
07:27 schestowitz-TR; the location is the same, only hostname changed
07:37 Techrights-sec; checking
07:37 Techrights-sec; The table for today is missing:
07:37 Techrights-sec; cat: /home/links/ipfs/220808.html: No such file or directory
07:37 Techrights-sec; from tr-new
07:37 Techrights-sec; never mind, those would be present tomorrow, 220807.html /is/ present as it
07:37 Techrights-sec; is supposed to be
07:37 Techrights-sec; the script works :)
07:41 schestowitz-TR; great! sorry, on shift atm, response time uncertain
07:41 schestowitz-TR; this afternoon I'll get spares for backup
07:41 schestowitz-TR; news will be slow the whole month, I think (as you put it, it goes down in holidays, never to resume afterwards... varghese ia MIA)
07:41 schestowitz-TR; so we can continue with site work
07:41 schestowitz-TR; debian develops... LEGAL strategy
07:41 schestowitz-TR; we can hlp by promotion of just mention of alpine, devuan and others
07:41 schestowitz-TR; let Microsoft die with systemd
07:41 schestowitz-TR; the red hat staff is already fleeing regardless
07:41 schestowitz-TR; systemd =- Windows Vista
07:41 schestowitz-TR; big and unwanted, I hope
07:41 schestowitz-TR; people already mock larabel in phoronix comments for repeatedly declaring the death of X for like 5+ years
07:41 schestowitz-TR; and where's wayland now?
07:42 Techrights-sec; np
07:42 Techrights-sec; yep that's how it has looked for years
07:42 Techrights-sec; debian is no longer even pretending to be valuable any more, even though
07:42 Techrights-sec; it still is upstream from hundreds of distros. PeppermintOS moved to Devuan
07:42 Techrights-sec; one can only hope that hundreds more follow in short order.
07:42 schestowitz-TR; if peppermint does OK, others will be less sceptical of that choice
07:43 Techrights-sec; wayland was too important to be allowed to survive. :/
07:43 Techrights-sec; downloading now, it will go on the alternate laptop for a while to give it a
07:43 Techrights-sec; spin
07:45 schestowitz-TR; be sure to get the devuan-based ISO, I think there are two
07:45 schestowitz-TR; next, LMDE should based on Devuan (for the same reason LM rejects SNAPS)
07:45 schestowitz-TR; or based on both Debian and Devuan
07:45 Techrights-sec; yes, there are two 64-bit versions one on Devuan the other on the legacy distro
07:45 Techrights-sec; .
07:46 schestowitz-TR; slax moved back to slackware, after being based on debian for years
07:46 schestowitz-TR; that happened last week
07:48 Techrights-sec; nice
07:50 schestowitz-TR; patrick needs more users
07:50 schestowitz-TR; his distro is more 'traditionalist'
07:50 schestowitz-TR; they have chromium without gulag (I forgot the name (ungoogled something with a black logo)
07:50 schestowitz-TR; so in theory users ca get most "things" done on slackware
07:50 schestowitz-TR; nowadays the browser does a lot of stuff
07:50 schestowitz-TR; not that I endorse it, we have idiots who mistake sites for software
07:50 schestowitz-TR; (at work)
07:50 Techrights-sec; it's nice but can be difficult to install
07:51 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure that ius still true, and its derivatives are just plain ISOs, not slckware-live
07:51 schestowitz-TR; if they have a recent kernel, then I guess most things work OK once installed
07:51 schestowitz-TR; calculatelinux for example
07:53 schestowitz-TR; with stuff like jetson or banana or mango or raspberry better to use "official", custome-made distros
07:53 schestowitz-TR; fedora is now hoping to make one for the pi
07:53 schestowitz-TR; but fedora 'community' languishes
07:53 schestowitz-TR; and I put in TM a rant about it last night
08:06 Techrights-sec; ack
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09:29 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Worst July on Record (Since COVID-19 Started), But No Weekly NHS Report on COVID-19 and Overall/Excess Mortality for Over a Month Already https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/08/covid-blackout/
09:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Worst July on Record (Since COVID-19 Started), But No Weekly NHS Report on COVID-19 and Overall/Excess Mortality for Over a Month Already
09:30 Techrights-sec; ack
09:30 schestowitz-TR; problem solved
09:30 schestowitz-TR; move on, peasants
09:31 Techrights-sec; ack
09:31 Techrights-sec; "let the bodies pile up"
09:35 schestowitz-TR; 4000 pensioners a month
09:35 schestowitz-TR; pension @ 20k x 10 more years x 4000 = (grabs kcalc)
09:35 schestowitz-TR; 800 million pounds saved a month
09:35 schestowitz-TR; for pension companies
09:35 schestowitz-TR; for 200k+ dead Brits, assuming life shortened by 10 years
09:35 schestowitz-TR; that's 50 billion
09:35 schestowitz-TR; our natioaal debt is about 2400
09:36 Techrights-sec; yep, there are a lot of incentives to let the pandemic roll
09:36 Techrights-sec; uninhibited. However, the permanent damage to the young will have higher
09:36 Techrights-sec; costs in the long run.
09:36 Techrights-sec; it's complex there too, the /debt/ itself is the currency nowadays
09:37 schestowitz-TR; you said this months ago. weeks ago I saw an article that I'd stumbled upon saying something similar.
09:37 schestowitz-TR; but debt is not the currency of everyone, just the majority, e.g. mortgage takers
09:37 schestowitz-TR; undertakers
09:37 schestowitz-TR; mort
09:39 Techrights-sec; it is the currency of the banskters which own the world's various governments
09:43 schestowitz-TR; "how I learned to stop worrying and love the virus"
09:43 schestowitz-TR; football resumed Saturday, we'll soon see a wave (not Mexican)
09:43 schestowitz-TR; hard to research figures: what ratio of savers' money and loans in each bank
09:43 schestowitz-TR; e.g. we have 10,000 customers with total of 1 billion in savings and we gave mortgages for homes with a total "value" of 10 billion
09:43 schestowitz-TR; you know what happens when the bubble implodes, houise pries crash, people default on the mortgage, and suddenly the bank goes under for as little as 10%
09:43 schestowitz-TR; price deflation
09:43 schestowitz-TR; there is a scheme here for "securing" the savbings of only 85,000 max per person
09:43 schestowitz-TR; after the events of 2008
09:43 schestowitz-TR; it used to be 65,000 iirc, in 14 years it increased only to 85
09:43 schestowitz-TR; so savers would be wise to split the savers across relatives
09:43 schestowitz-TR; iow, even your savings at the bank aren't safe
09:43 schestowitz-TR; you're "safe" (government says) for up to that amount
09:43 schestowitz-TR; the rules are probably different in panana and cayman islend
09:48 schestowitz-TR; days ago I read (michael west... now AAP :/) that our finance minister now predicts 13% inflation
09:48 schestowitz-TR; whereas banks only give an interest of like 2-3% AT BEST, if you lock it down
09:48 schestowitz-TR; we can only try to 'cheat' the system with discounted foods, efficient energy use, no travel etc.
09:48 schestowitz-TR; people's salaries have, in effect, decreased by a lot this past year
09:49 schestowitz-TR; magnified two or threefold if they have dependants
09:49 schestowitz-TR; this! is! not! a joke! not a drill, either.
09:49 schestowitz-TR; itf it worsens for 2-3 more years, prices can be up by like 50%
09:49 schestowitz-TR; or salaries effecttively reduceed by that much, IF you still have a job at all
09:49 schestowitz-TR; cumulative multipliers
09:49 schestowitz-TR; otoh, I predict dissent will increase, new laws be passed to ban the most banal things
09:49 schestowitz-TR; and social control experiments be introduced
09:49 schestowitz-TR; like putting microphones in people's homes "for free"
09:51 Techrights-sec; ack
09:51 Techrights-sec; as usual it is all about concentrating wealth
09:51 Techrights-sec; social control media will be used further to spin and deceive
09:54 schestowitz-TR; china saw seeds of discontent over 996 (9am-9pm, 6 days) and low salaries
09:54 schestowitz-TR; so the regime just responded with repressive measures, not fairer distribution of capital
09:54 schestowitz-TR; now with capitalism in most countries on the brink they show they're no better than china,
09:54 schestowitz-TR; except when they could afford to be better
09:54 schestowitz-TR; and journalism is dried up by capitalist means (defunding it)
09:54 schestowitz-TR; in michael west yestyerday I saw the usual BS about fictional "unemployment" figures
09:54 schestowitz-TR; reminded me of truthdig when the lady ruined it and had a massive fued with scheer
09:54 schestowitz-TR; I predict we'll see enhanced attempts to associatre dissent with "reptilians" and "gay frogs"
09:54 schestowitz-TR; I saw those straw man cards played re gates this past weekend
09:54 schestowitz-TR; the context being monkeypox
09:54 schestowitz-TR; sooner or later just pointing out the patent issues about vaccines or lack of clinical trials
09:54 schestowitz-TR; gets luimped in with "gay frogs" and/or pepe the frog (bigots)
09:54 schestowitz-TR; "national security" threat
09:55 Techrights-sec; yes, like with the 5G, like flipping a switch the debate went from /if/
09:55 Techrights-sec; 5G should be rolled out to a fight over /who/ should roll it out
09:55 Techrights-sec; or patent issues in general :/
10:00 schestowitz-TR; kaniini got suspended by twitter for (obviously) making a funny joke about 5g
10:00 schestowitz-TR; was forced to delete sarcastic remark, which was basically mocking cranks
10:00 schestowitz-TR; this is where our society is heading
10:00 schestowitz-TR; not to mention debian.coimmunity was not disowned but RE-owned
10:00 schestowitz-TR; so now SPI cabal (Microsoft, Lenovo, Google) will use the domain to spread some lies)
10:00 schestowitz-TR; reminds of of force confession in tehran and beijing
10:00 schestowitz-TR; where they use the opposition's own mouth (torture/threats/blackmail) to parrot pro-regime
10:00 schestowitz-TR; talking points
10:00 schestowitz-TR; with prenning, they made the force apologyu spiel and then 'forced' talk about diversity
10:00 schestowitz-TR; like conditions for "acceptnace" or "return"
10:00 schestowitz-TR; wioth Torvalds we saw that at end of 1018
10:00 schestowitz-TR; 2018
10:00 schestowitz-TR; a badge of endormeent for "not being rude" to people whose code is utter shit
10:02 Techrights-sec; which itself is a lie, he was never rude about people, rather being
10:02 Techrights-sec; unambiguous about the code; people are not code and yet the press parroted lies
10:02 Techrights-sec; about his criticism being about people;
10:24 Techrights-sec; they succeeded in making it about individuals rather than their code
10:24 Techrights-sec; and it seems to be a functional vehicle for infecting the project with shit code
10:27 schestowitz-TR; imagine if Lannart was a black lesbian and not a younf person who fits the profile of genocidal nazi
10:27 schestowitz-TR; 1 hours ago I scanned rianne's main latpop
10:27 schestowitz-TR; it runs Debian 10 on 4GB of RAM
10:27 schestowitz-TR; it can become slow for several reasons
10:27 schestowitz-TR; I scanned which processes were running I disabled snapd
10:27 schestowitz-TR; rianne added it to install something
10:27 schestowitz-TR; but it keeps running as a background process
10:27 schestowitz-TR; imagine that
10:27 schestowitz-TR; like apt taking up 10-20MB in the backgroung all the time
10:27 schestowitz-TR; or yum/dnf
10:27 schestowitz-TR; anyay, I went through the list of processes
10:27 schestowitz-TR; so much systemd shit
10:27 schestowitz-TR; not the init
10:27 schestowitz-TR; all those other programs from the same brand/unbrella
10:27 schestowitz-TR; now they're effectively controlled not just by SM GitHub
10:27 schestowitz-TR; but a full-time Microsoft employee
10:36 Techrights-sec; snap is garbage, like flatpak. IMHO a bad design and pehpaps only a means
10:36 Techrights-sec; to inject proprietary junk into the system.
10:37 schestowitz-TR; I think they recognise that decades of no real CS education means more devs who can throw
10:37 schestowitz-TR; and glue shit together cannot properly package it
10:37 schestowitz-TR; so they blobify it like Android does, I don't know how apk are compared to deb or to "snaps"
10:37 schestowitz-TR; or how "google play" compared to flathub etc.
10:37 schestowitz-TR; but they're all resulting in very insecure stuff because you have many of the same code (binarieS)
10:37 schestowitz-TR; scattered all over the prtice and it's also a waste of disk space (storage got cheap)
10:37 schestowitz-TR; and it means performance tool, i.e. more ewaste
10:37 schestowitz-TR; *toll
10:37 schestowitz-TR; soon enough they'll just say we need a whole new OS or VM for each "app"
10:37 schestowitz-TR; or argue that web browser is enough of a sandbox
10:37 schestowitz-TR; or tell us the browser is the OS. oh, wait...
10:37 schestowitz-TR; with chromeOS, you don't have programs, you have a program
10:37 schestowitz-TR; all the stuff yoiu run is contrlled at binary level --set aside the spying - by the "masters"
10:37 schestowitz-TR; they can even taoilor a binary just for you for a session
10:37 schestowitz-TR; like "google maps" taoiled to a "person of interest" without any way to verify the integrity of the binaries
10:40 schestowitz-TR; with flatpack, proprieetary and free are indistinguishable
10:40 schestowitz-TR; hard-linking and self-containment for blob
10:40 schestowitz-TR; in the past, space and b/w were factors, so you needed to reuse
10:40 schestowitz-TR; and that meant better patch management too
10:40 schestowitz-TR; now any little brtowser update means my connection is clogged up while it gets like 200MB of "Stuff"
10:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe to patch some WIndows hole with a single line oe code. so I can be "up to date" with version
10:40 schestowitz-TR; SAME.SAME.X+
10:40 schestowitz-TR; with 'webapps', it's even worse
10:40 schestowitz-TR; it's like a kiosk
10:40 schestowitz-TR; you cannot even delete the binaries you use
10:40 schestowitz-TR; or the data those binaries make
10:43 Techrights-sec; m$, and bill in particular, killed CS globally
10:43 Techrights-sec; I haven't had time to investigate apk vs apt
10:43 Techrights-sec; yes and there was some bullshit about trying to force the package developers
10:43 Techrights-sec; into doing the packaging; packaging is for the distros, but my guess is taht
10:43 Techrights-sec; there are fewer hands every quarter as those with the skill retire or die
10:43 Techrights-sec; and are not replaced at a sustainable rate; the only way to get the prerequisite
10:43 Techrights-sec; skill is to *avoid* current CS programmes yet teach oneself not just programming
10:43 Techrights-sec; but the theory that used to be taught in previous generation's CS programmes
10:43 Techrights-sec; yep
10:43 Techrights-sec; the hardlinking facilitates the inclusion of proprietary payloads
10:43 Techrights-sec; it also means that if you have n packages which depend on library x then
10:43 Techrights-sec; when x needs to be updated you have to update all reverse dependencies
10:44 schestowitz-TR; that offloads costs
10:44 schestowitz-TR; we know how corporationsd value "efficiencies"
10:44 schestowitz-TR; earlier on today rianne and I were discussing what it means to ask for assistance at the shop, inc. at the till
10:44 schestowitz-TR; Mark Shuttleworth herded many thousands of slaves between 2004 to around 2014
10:44 Techrights-sec; ack
10:46 schestowitz-TR; while at the same time making back room deals with Microsoft, which obviously put off volunteers
10:46 schestowitz-TR; codecs around 2007 and later azure and wsl
10:46 schestowitz-TR; pocock did write what it meant to be a volunteer, then discarded at the earliest inconvenient, blackmailed a bit (conditions)
10:46 schestowitz-TR; and then demonised as a madman
10:50 schestowitz-TR; WordPress used to be hundreds of coders who played with WP and B2 and coordinated support, code, mailing lists etc.
10:50 schestowitz-TR; and blogged about it
10:50 schestowitz-TR; when that became a company it started to revolve more around "SEO" frauds and dodgy extensions, "ecosystem", "clowns"...
10:50 schestowitz-TR; and so a lot of the fun was gone
10:50 schestowitz-TR; sort of like Linux (kernel)
10:50 schestowitz-TR; You'd have to be insane to be a Con Kolivas in 2022
10:50 schestowitz-TR; it's infesible and they don't give a shit about your code because of your email domain suffix
10:50 schestowitz-TR; "buy a seat from Jim and Sheela Microsoft, then come back to us.."
10:50 schestowitz-TR; last week it turned out Microsoft now tells Linux what things to remove, e.g. DEC
10:50 schestowitz-TR; like they're bossing the whole project now
10:59 Techrights-sec; ack
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14:35 schestowitz-TR; back home
14:35 schestowitz-TR; getting harde to find discount
14:35 Techrights-sec; a little pricey
14:35 schestowitz-TR; got 32gb usb for 9 pounds
14:35 schestowitz-TR; waiting for links, a supplementary set for now
14:43 schestowitz-TR; I updated two cripts
14:43 schestowitz-TR; all I had to do was add the subdomains as you migrated it very transparently
14:43 schestowitz-TR; nice
14:43 Techrights-sec; checking
14:48 Techrights-sec; excellent
14:48 Techrights-sec; I'm relieved that it went smoothly
14:48 schestowitz-TR; not pushing the changes to git as the address techrights.org will one day be linked to that same ip anyway
14:49 Techrights-sec; ok
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17:58 Techrights-sec; Windows has not just backdoors, but also "bugdoors"
17:58 Techrights-sec; -- bugs that they are slow to fix because various agencies are using them
17:58 Techrights-sec; for access
18:09 schestowitz-TR; for the first time in over a week, I think, I had to stop a high load at tm-old
18:09 schestowitz-TR; those sorts of issues will be a thing of the past after the migration
18:20 Techrights-sec; ack
18:21 schestowitz-TR; regardless of intent, the net effect of bug doors and back doors is the same
18:21 schestowitz-TR; and when the vendor refuses to patch a publicly kknown issue (not just nsa/cisa/microsoft)
18:21 schestowitz-TR; it's even worse as they willingly open you to attack by anybody, not only themselves as agencies
18:25 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> NIST works for NSA (i.e. back doors) agenda, and this is what NSA Bruce has to say on the topic https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/nists-post-quantum-cryptography-standards.html
18:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-NISTs Post-Quantum Cryptography Standards - Schneier on Security
18:25 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> In some sense NIST is worse than NSA because you know what NSA strives to do but EXPECT better from NIST
18:26 schestowitz-TR; Expecting secure crypto from the US regime is like expecting women's rights from Tehran
18:27 Techrights-sec; ack
18:27 Techrights-sec; though with bug doors there is a modicum of plausible deniability and they
18:27 Techrights-sec; can kind of truthfull claim that it's not an intentional back door even
18:27 Techrights-sec; if the patching itself has been intentionally postponed or neglected in order
18:27 Techrights-sec; to extend access to those in the know
18:27 Techrights-sec; ack
18:27 Techrights-sec; though with bug doors there is a modicum of plausible deniability and they
18:27 Techrights-sec; can kind of truthfull claim that it's not an intentional back door even
18:27 Techrights-sec; if the patching itself has been intentionally postponed or neglected in order
18:27 Techrights-sec; to extend access to those in the know
19:00 schestowitz-TR; Is an economy with 1000 companies in debt better than an economy with 100 companies in debt, even if call them "successful" loss-making firms?
19:01 Techrights-sec; "successful" bankruptcy
19:03 schestowitz-TR; debt companies (loans) apparently tell people it's better to borrow than now to borrow because being in debt is "good for your credit"
19:03 schestowitz-TR; based on the BS logic that if you had debt before, than you are more trustworthy
19:03 schestowitz-TR; I mocked this endlessly when rianne told me people had told her that
19:03 schestowitz-TR; sounds like banksters' propaganda
19:03 schestowitz-TR; come on, borrow money, it's GOOD for you
19:03 schestowitz-TR; living within one's means? You're doomed!!
19:03 schestowitz-TR; "scucessful" bankruptcy = we didn't pay any of the workers we laid off and the lenders turned to government, not to us, for help
19:14 Techrights-sec; ack
19:15 schestowitz-TR; "being" just 'a bit' in debt is OK, I can pay that back anytime I want to = i'm not addicted, I can quit anytime
19:15 schestowitz-TR; I think in the US maxing up not one but several credit cards is a national sport of sorts...
19:15 schestowitz-TR; to the point you can have a powwow with mates about how you\re "managing your creddit"
19:15 schestowitz-TR; and what worthless junk you bought to keep up with "friends"
19:17 Techrights-sec; could be
19:17 Techrights-sec; if you max out one, then other companies tend to send additional, pre-approved
19:17 Techrights-sec; cards
19:17 Techrights-sec; sometimes they come in fast enough that you can kind of pay off parts of the old
19:17 Techrights-sec; ones with the new ones and within a few years accumulated more than a lifetime
19:17 Techrights-sec; of debt with no chance out except for a 'successful' bankruptcy
19:17 Techrights-sec; the people who do that tend not to do better afterwards afaik
19:21 Techrights-sec; the Peppermint OS Devuan torrent is seeding quite a bit: there is a lot of
19:21 Techrights-sec; interest apparently, though perhaps because it is a new release
19:21 Techrights-sec; Mint and the others are just idling and not seeding
19:21 Techrights-sec; ... from here at least
19:25 schestowitz-TR; 1) which version
19:25 schestowitz-TR; 2) which DE?
19:25 Techrights-sec; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25775-we-buy-things-we-don-t-need-with-money-we-don-t
19:25 Techrights-sec; Peppermint OS Devuan 64-bit, the installer seemed to offer a choice from
19:25 Techrights-sec; several desktop environments, if I was paying attention properly
19:25 Techrights-sec; https://peppermintos.com/guide/downloading/
19:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Dave Ramsey: We buy things we don't need with money we don't...
19:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-peppermintos.com | 1. Download and Install Peppermint OS
19:26 schestowitz-TR; I means mint 21? or lmde? cin/mate/xfce?
19:26 schestowitz-TR; *meant
19:27 Techrights-sec; those... Mint 20.3 cinnamon, Mint 20.3 MATE, 2022-04-04-raspberrypi-os-*
19:27 Techrights-sec; You're right, new versions have been released, however I need the old one
19:27 schestowitz-TR; you may be comparing apples (old) to oranges (new) then
19:28 Techrights-sec; You're right, new versions have been released, however I need the old one
19:28 Techrights-sec; in the archive for now.
19:30 schestowitz-TR; I saw 3 or 4 articles in the past 24 hours, inc. official mint blog, re how to UPGRADE to 21
19:30 schestowitz-TR; they evn made some solid tools for it
19:30 schestowitz-TR; they consider doing AUTOMATIC updates
19:30 schestowitz-TR; and are very eaget to get people OFF the version you're after
19:30 schestowitz-TR; not every distro is so eager to push people to latest
19:30 schestowitz-TR; because it's a lot of work backporting stuff
19:30 schestowitz-TR; hence many "rolling" distros
19:30 schestowitz-TR; Windows is a very shitty rolling release
19:30 schestowitz-TR; very unreliable and unpredictable
19:33 Techrights-sec; Linux Mint 21 Cinnamon is now seeding but a small fraction
19:33 Techrights-sec; if at all
19:33 schestowitz-TR; they have lots of donated mirrors
19:33 schestowitz-TR; I saw a lot when I got lmde
19:33 schestowitz-TR; so maybe they just don't use bittorrent as much
19:34 schestowitz-TR; is there a torrent tracker that can help us do a "ppuilarity contest" post?
19:34 Techrights-sec; could be, but it is the efficient way to publish the ISO-9660 images
19:34 Techrights-sec; not sure ...
19:34 Techrights-sec; maybe this ?
19:34 Techrights-sec; https://linuxtracker.org/
19:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtracker.org | Linuxtracker .::. The Premier Linux Bittorrent Website
19:38 Techrights-sec; https://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=extra-stats
19:38 Techrights-sec; that first one is reverse chronological the second one is more popularity
19:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtracker.org | Linuxtracker .::. Index->Statistics
19:40 schestowitz-TR; good timing
19:40 schestowitz-TR; I know the site
19:40 schestowitz-TR; seems kde neon and peppermint devuan ed does better (more seeds) than the normal [sic] edition]
19:40 schestowitz-TR; I shall mention this :-)
19:40 schestowitz-TR; btw, I still use neon
19:40 schestowitz-TR; so far it always boots OK
19:40 schestowitz-TR; kde does not depend on systemd afaik, only gnome...
19:40 schestowitz-TR; maybe they can rebase on devuan one day
19:40 Techrights-sec; are you sure, I thought KDE had a lot of systemd dependencies lately
19:40 Techrights-sec; I could be quite wrong though
19:40 schestowitz-TR; my info might be outdated
19:43 Techrights-sec; apt-cache --recurse depends kde-plasma-desktop | grep systemd
19:43 Techrights-sec; apt-cache dotty kde-plasma-desktop
19:44 schestowitz-TR; took screenshot for a post
19:44 schestowitz-TR; but first, today's links ;-)
19:50 Techrights-sec; ack
19:53 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> PeppermintOS Without Systemd More Popular Than the Standard Edition? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/08/peppermintos-devuan/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/08/peppermintos-devuan/
19:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | PeppermintOS Without Systemd More Popular Than the Standard Edition? | Techrights
20:10 Techrights-sec; ack
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