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6 AM, May 8

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8 AM, May 8

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08:49 schestowitz-TR; [08:49] <techrights-news> A Critique of Lagrange gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-05-07-critique-of-lagrange.gmi "This is not a full review of Lagrange, but rather discussing one specific aspect of it. My intention here is to start a conversation."

↺ gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-05-07-critique-of-lagrange.gmi

08:50 schestowitz-TR; [02:04] <matey> marisol, marisol, does whatever a marisol does

08:50 schestowitz-TR; [02:05] <matey> the legend of marisol would have made a highly amusing text adventure

08:50 schestowitz-TR; [02:05] <matey> you must collect apple airbuds at some point in the game


9 AM, May 8

09:35 schestowitz-TR; Thanks for the links about FIDO

09:35 schestowitz-TR; Brian Krebs covered that too

09:35 schestowitz-TR; but I still cannot offer any good insights

09:35 schestowitz-TR; I was thinking of doing a video about China's move to GNU/Linux

09:35 schestowitz-TR; and then toss the Edge figures into the mix

09:35 schestowitz-TR; any thoguhts?

09:35 schestowitz-TR; I also did a plasma video last night

09:35 schestowitz-TR; on some fronts the news is very slow, so I reckon advocacy has itsd place atm

09:35 schestowitz-TR; [19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

09:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines

09:35 Techrights-sec; `ack

09:35 Techrights-sec; np

09:35 Techrights-sec; has China made any successful moves in that direction? I know they have

09:35 Techrights-sec; made protestations in that direction but figure they go not much further

09:35 Techrights-sec; than Russia.

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09:38 Techrights-sec; "Intends to". Russia tried that three times, several years apart. Nothing

09:38 Techrights-sec; happened except the third time, all those that knew computers got fired and

09:38 Techrights-sec; M$ cemented its position in politics. At least back in 2010 that was

09:38 Techrights-sec; then.

09:38 Techrights-sec; ^fired and replaced with microsofters

09:39 schestowitz-TR; [19:13] <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linu

09:39 schestowitz-TR; x and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571

09:39 schestowitz-TR; say what you will, but moves are made after all. korea, china, turkey, russia, brazil.

09:39 schestowitz-TR; many schools in TR (turkey) now use gnu and libreoffice

09:39 schestowitz-TR; downplaying all this would notn help us

09:39 schestowitz-TR; it would help bogdan poa at al mocking the whole thing

09:39 Techrights-sec; https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redflag

↺ https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redflag

09:39 Techrights-sec; disontinued

09:39 Techrights-sec; moves are good, it's just that the politics is far harder than most people

09:39 Techrights-sec; are willing to admit

09:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Red Flag Linux

09:41 schestowitz-TR; if at first you fail, keep trying

09:41 schestowitz-TR; many of us never gave up

09:41 schestowitz-TR; the desktop continues to be developed and few percentage in share of a very large share is still tens of millions, maybe so

09:41 schestowitz-TR; on hundreds of millions

09:41 Techrights-sec; BTW distowatch erroneously categorizes systemd as an init system

09:42 schestowitz-TR; systemd is a lot of things

09:45 schestowitz-TR; to borrow an analogy, many people thought we were idealists trying to stop UPC

09:45 schestowitz-TR; and a decade later we're still at it

09:45 schestowitz-TR; I think it's important that some sites don't play the defeatist "year of

09:45 schestowitz-TR; desktop" canard

09:45 schestowitz-TR; and we're consisteitnyly highlighted WHY this was happening

09:45 schestowitz-TR; like Microsoft infiltrating Walmart to stop Linspire

09:45 schestowitz-TR; among many other examples

09:45 schestowitz-TR; which are still perfectly documented both in posts, wiki page, and leaked

09:45 schestowitz-TR; docs


10 AM, May 8

10:00 Techrights-sec; correct, "year of the linux desktop" has been changed to a defeatist meme

10:00 Techrights-sec; by microsoftes and, lately, with the help of useful idiots

10:00 Techrights-sec; Not just Linspire but also Asus EEE was blocked; The GNU/Linux edition

10:00 Techrights-sec; sold out almost immediately but M$ was able to get all over Aaus and

10:00 Techrights-sec; prevent restocking of them and just get the Windoze edition to the stores.

10:00 Techrights-sec; The latter had a very high return rate but the M$ beholden press

10:00 Techrights-sec; spun that as if the GNU/Linux edition didn't sell (without mentioning

10:00 Techrights-sec; that there were none to buy) and implied that the high return rate

10:00 Techrights-sec; was for trhe GNU/Linux EEE devices rather than the reality of the

10:00 Techrights-sec; high return rate for the WIndows EEE devices.

10:00 Techrights-sec; All those details are lost, buried, or subjected to revisionist history,

10:00 Techrights-sec; if you can find any coverage at all of M$ misdeeds against Asus.

10:00 schestowitz-TR; when michael was chief of OSI he egged me on to cover those things

10:00 schestowitz-TR; he was a TR reader

10:00 schestowitz-TR; now we have an OSI run by a bunch of idiotcs who try to censor TR

10:04 schestowitz-TR; I'm goine OTA

10:04 schestowitz-TR; either way, now with Steam OS and various other things we clobber away at Windows

10:04 schestowitz-TR; the bailouts do start to received more media scrutiny

10:04 schestowitz-TR; Mirosoft is, at this stage, more like Pentagon 'asset'

10:04 schestowitz-TR; I will also do another video on the Debian TM SLAPP

10:04 schestowitz-TR; OTA


11 AM, May 8

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11:48 schestowitz-TR; done 2 vids

11:48 schestowitz-TR; draft

11:48 schestowitz-TR; 2 drafts now

11:48 schestowitz-TR; videos processing


noon, May 8

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5 PM, May 8

17:14 schestowitz-TR; got another draftr in place

17:39 Techrights-sec; checking

17:39 Techrights-sec; a neo-colonialist plot to ensure the continuing dominance of Western nations."""

17:39 Techrights-sec; link would be good there

17:39 Techrights-sec; is ushing lies about the UPC illegal or has the UPC become invalid / illegal itself?

17:39 Techrights-sec; yes some reinforcement of that can be added into the article

17:39 schestowitz-TR; lies CAN be a violation in the legal profession

17:39 schestowitz-TR; I think they have commitments

17:39 schestowitz-TR; and I think calling them out on it

17:39 schestowitz-TR; helps to silence them

17:39 schestowitz-TR; they don't want to get caught

17:39 schestowitz-TR; I will add some sentence and chase the link

17:39 Techrights-sec; thanks!

17:41 schestowitz; I cannot find a link, similar one in page 81 in

17:41 schestowitz; https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cEqgBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22+the+continuing+dominance+of+Western+nations.%22&source=bl&ots=L7omaXDc1L&sig=ACfU3U3-cnA-Kj2bvFDW3fp_3bNnSSnrKg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO27GFrND3AhXKYMAKHY5oDzIQ6AF6BAgCEAM

↺ https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cEqgBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22+the+continuing+dominance+of+Western+nations.%22&source=bl&ots=L7omaXDc1L&sig=ACfU3U3-cnA-Kj2bvFDW3fp_3bNnSSnrKg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO27GFrND3AhXKYMAKHY5oDzIQ6AF6BAgCEAM

17:41 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-books.google.co.uk | The City in the Developing World - Robert B. Potter, Sally Lloyd-Evans - Google Books

17:41 Techrights-sec; ack


6 PM, May 8

18:07 schestowitz-TR; I have tons of unhandled patent items

18:07 schestowitz-TR; but would rather do articles

18:07 schestowitz-TR; topics are scarce though

18:07 schestowitz-TR; I'll think how to improve Planet some more

18:22 Techrights-sec; ack

18:51 Techrights-sec; nice

18:51 Techrights-sec; so in 2 years it is 20

18:53 schestowitz-TR; Renewing tuaxmachines domain until 2027 when it turns 23!

18:53 schestowitz-TR; in 25 months

18:53 schestowitz-TR; we're still "leading" in some metrics

18:53 schestowitz-TR; even if the site is not exceptionally well known

18:53 schestowitz-TR; so far I got no output from the backup scripts

18:53 schestowitz-TR; and I hope it just means the gz files are in good integrity

18:53 schestowitz-TR; I've just added a TM user account for someone who peronally asked for one

18:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe to add comments

18:53 Techrights-sec; excellent

18:53 Techrights-sec; though the account spam has been a problem for allowing automatic

18:53 Techrights-sec; enrollment

18:55 schestowitz-TR; this problem is not a unique

18:55 schestowitz-TR; # of comments/# of spam

18:55 schestowitz-TR; # of comments/stress of havign to moderate

18:55 schestowitz-TR; this is why many news sites remove the comment sectio

18:55 schestowitz-TR; it's letting people 'vandalise' a page without technical means, just oral or verbal means


7 PM, May 8

19:03 Techrights-sec; yes most sites have removed comments long ago :(

19:04 schestowitz-TR; but not only do they "allow" FB and Twitter (outsourcing "mideration")

19:04 schestowitz-TR; they also outsource themselves to that

19:04 schestowitz-TR; with techrights you have to use rss

19:04 schestowitz-TR; cannot follow new material through other means\

19:04 schestowitz-TR; except unofficial stuff

19:06 Techrights-sec; the encouragement of social control media is misguided since few

19:06 Techrights-sec; know or are willing to admit the amount of spin and filtering that

19:06 Techrights-sec; goes on there. Maybe these issues will get raised via conflict with

19:06 Techrights-sec; China's TikTok since that is the main one that is not under the same

19:06 Techrights-sec; control as Twitter and FB

19:07 schestowitz-TR; sorry for a dumb question, but does this tiktok thing (never saw it)

19:07 schestowitz-TR; have a

19:07 schestowitz-TR; business model?

19:07 schestowitz-TR; I never heard of anyone "buying ads" there...

19:07 Techrights-sec; that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have

19:07 Techrights-sec; one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not

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19:09 schestowitz-TR; twitter was hybrid: ads as "trending" and whatnot and ads marked as such

19:09 schestowitz-TR; the former seems to be implicitly broken down into "paid trends",

19:09 schestowitz-TR; "government d-notice-like bias", and maybe some legit thing thrown in the mix

19:09 schestowitz-TR; but who he heck knows...

19:10 Techrights-sec; that's a good question, I have not heard of one but it might have

19:10 Techrights-sec; one beyond goverment influence campaigns, then again it might not

19:10 Techrights-sec; ads are still secondary in twitter, the mainpulation of opinion seems

19:10 Techrights-sec; top priority there

19:10 Techrights-sec; https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/

↺ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/13/tiktok-russia-censorship-propaganda-tracking-exposed/

19:10 Techrights-sec; https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-eileen-gu-winter-olympics-technology-business-12de242ee53092693c0711b932c1da5c

↺ https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-eileen-gu-winter-olympics-technology-business-12de242ee53092693c0711b932c1da5c

19:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.washingtonpost.com | TikTok's Russia strategy: Censorship, loopholes and propaganda - The Washington Post

19:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-apnews.com | How China's TikTok, Facebook influencers push propaganda | AP News

19:12 schestowitz-TR; the web became a battleground of ideas

19:12 schestowitz-TR; and of corporations too, of course...

19:12 schestowitz-TR; but the latter control and have a stake in the battle

19:12 schestowitz-TR; so they shape the web to win their "ideas"....

19:12 schestowitz-TR; that alone makes the web unhealthy not just to people but to markets

19:13 Techrights-sec; not so much a battleground of ideas but a battleground of disinformation

19:13 Techrights-sec; versus, well, just about anything

19:16 schestowitz-TR; disinformation is the 'doping'

19:16 schestowitz-TR; when you cannot win, you reesort to cheating

19:16 schestowitz-TR; if you lack morals

19:16 schestowitz-TR; but based on what I see in my companies honesty is not how one gets pporomoted and rewarded

19:16 schestowitz-TR; hosentl;y is too "slow"... not "effective" when all one cares about is "winning" (by 'dopinn')

19:16 schestowitz-TR; so you end up working for a bunch of dopes

19:16 schestowitz-TR; I always get this stare or shocked response when highliught to them

19:16 schestowitz-TR; 1) that a statement we made was false

19:16 schestowitz-TR; 2) we are not actually ISO compliant

19:16 schestowitz-TR; or anythiung that somehow challenged the lies nobody is supported

19:16 schestowitz-TR; to poke with a stick

19:17 Techrights-sec; yes

19:17 Techrights-sec; business culture tends to not just encourage but idolize lying :(

19:17 Techrights-sec; those that have skills are seen as a threat by the liars and eventually

19:17 Techrights-sec; driven out

19:24 Techrights-sec; On a discussion forum recently someone commented, with several examples,

19:24 Techrights-sec; how liars are always a threat within a company and over time end up

19:24 Techrights-sec; taking over from the compentent people, reaching a tipping point afterwhich

19:24 Techrights-sec; the skilled people have no peers or insufficient peers to have incentive

19:24 Techrights-sec; to stay on. Steve Jobs said something to the effect of A players

19:24 Techrights-sec; hiring other A players but B players hire C players, who in turn hire D, etc

19:26 schestowitz-TR; seems to be ruining ours

19:26 schestowitz-TR; here, the tipping point was already years ago

19:26 schestowitz-TR; but the job stayed rather easy

19:26 schestowitz-TR; those are the ones who stayed onboard

19:26 schestowitz-TR; if you try hard to push them, they would leave

19:26 schestowitz-TR; we are 50% of those people

19:27 Techrights-sec; it is said to happen eventually in all companies; too bad the government

19:27 Techrights-sec; or public does not pull the plug on companies once they turn bad

19:27 schestowitz-TR; in EFF the B players also oust A players (John)

19:28 Techrights-sec; Yes, that is the common theme in all "reality" tv shows, the shows

19:28 Techrights-sec; which train the public to act that way

19:28 Techrights-sec; the world culture, at least in the west, is 1) identify the strong players

19:28 Techrights-sec; 2) form alliances to remove them at the earliest opporunity 3) squabble

19:28 Techrights-sec; internally afterwards

19:29 schestowitz-TR; I wish I could say out death spiral was around the same Jeff Epstein's BFF landed a little bribe

19:29 schestowitz-TR; but it predates that somewhat

19:29 schestowitz-TR; so you could not honestly say such a thing

19:30 Techrights-sec; I'm still curious what is behind that NDA. It seems the troubles there

19:30 Techrights-sec; manifested around then or at least that is the perception from outside.

19:33 schestowitz-TR; no, we took the train down to sign a new contract with a new shell

19:33 schestowitz-TR; months before the MIR expose

19:33 schestowitz-TR; *MIT

19:33 schestowitz-TR; Signing = around June 2019

19:33 schestowitz-TR; August 019 press reports on MIT

19:33 schestowitz-TR; Oct 2019 NDA mentioned

19:33 schestowitz-TR; the BFF is ther FIRST US client

19:33 schestowitz-TR; I kid you not

19:33 schestowitz-TR; SarinGas was already in the company by then

19:33 schestowitz-TR; annying not only us but also colleagues

19:33 schestowitz-TR; so a hypothetial if not creative timeline would be difficult tom prove

19:33 schestowitz-TR; like they say, "if you set up this shelkl, we'll become first company..

19:33 schestowitz-TR; blah blah...

19:34 Techrights-sec; The troubles allowed the NDA to be acceptable and left the company

19:34 Techrights-sec; open for contact from bill's minions

19:34 Techrights-sec; I think it is unrelated to MIT etc but targeted for other reasons

19:34 Techrights-sec; Yeah like those hockey stick growth charts which have only two real

19:34 Techrights-sec; data points in a flat line and the expontential growth 10 years in

19:34 Techrights-sec; the future...

19:35 schestowitz-TR; \

19:35 schestowitz-TR; (me avoids conspiratiroal thinking like me avoids covid)

19:35 schestowitz-TR; if there was some "Grand Plan" to oust us, it would not take years to "pull the trigger"

19:35 schestowitz-TR; so I rule that out and move on

19:37 Techrights-sec; m$ always looks for companies to crush, they'll go out of their way

19:37 Techrights-sec; to do so

19:37 Techrights-sec; not to oust any specific staff, though certainly they have tried that too,

19:37 Techrights-sec; but just to weaken or destroy the company -- because they can

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19:41 schestowitz-TR; the company was already in a weak position at the time

19:41 schestowitz-TR; but it became more unpleasant

19:41 schestowitz-TR; that was also the time we started adopting clown shits

19:41 schestowitz-TR; with growing pressure for me to follow

19:41 schestowitz-TR; after I had refused

19:41 schestowitz-TR; specifically, also in that June 2019 meeting

19:41 schestowitz-TR; you would assume by then the "BFF" was already in contact

19:41 schestowitz-TR; as 4 months later the NDA was mentioned

19:41 schestowitz-TR; "BFF" as first "US client"

19:41 schestowitz-TR; I asked a colleague what this whole US thing was about

19:41 schestowitz-TR; she would not even answer the qyestiuon

19:41 schestowitz-TR; she made up a fictional questions

19:41 schestowitz-TR; and then answered it

19:41 schestowitz-TR; we suspect the setting up of the new shell was a ploy to ofset employer liabilities

19:41 schestowitz-TR; like back to zero

19:41 schestowitz-TR; but not for pension reasons or compensation

19:41 schestowitz-TR; rather, the now-divorced wife was a director/board in the old company

19:41 schestowitz-TR; so it was a ploy to get her off the sheet

19:41 schestowitz-TR; and then flee the country

19:41 schestowitz-TR; that's my theory

19:41 schestowitz-TR; after that we've barely had any direct communications

19:42 schestowitz-TR; (I am OK with all thie being public)

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19:42 schestowitz-TR; (of course old email trails could easily and quikckly illuminate what had actually

19:42 schestowitz-TR; happened and when

19:42 schestowitz-TR; and how much money was at stake with that NDA)

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19:52 Techrights-sec; ack

19:59 schestowitz-TR; just been upstairs explaining the order of events

19:59 schestowitz-TR; rianne thinkks it is not implausable

19:59 schestowitz-TR; but she too says proof is needed

19:59 schestowitz-TR; I guess enough was done to deny and obfuscate anything up to now

19:59 schestowitz-TR; as a "professional job" would...

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