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04:54 Techrights-sec; April 1st?
04:54 Techrights-sec; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft
04:54 Techrights-sec; Larabel is now also an M$ apologist
04:54 Techrights-sec; otr: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6366139
04:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Systemd Creator Lands At Microsoft - Phoronix
04:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6366139 )
04:55 schestowitz-TR; yes, see what I said about larabel in my post
04:55 schestowitz-TR; (about this)
05:00 Techrights-sec;
05:00 Techrights-sec; checking
05:00 Techrights-sec; LOL
05:00 Techrights-sec; not good that Larabel has gone that route
05:01 schestowitz-TR; happened years ago already
05:01 schestowitz-TR; I confronted him about it and he made shitty exccuses
05:01 schestowitz-TR; tw, lots of comments on this in irc scrollback since 00:30
05:08 Techrights-sec; checking
05:08 Techrights-sec; not much of substance though
05:08 schestowitz-TR; I was aiming for speed
05:08 schestowitz-TR; and irc is just... irc
05:08 schestowitz-TR; just because michael does not offer wear a suit does not mean he isn't one
05:08 Techrights-sec; comments at phoronix?
05:08 schestowitz-TR; but that's blaming the messenger
05:08 schestowitz-TR; the comments there were minutes old and some were spot on (14 of them)
05:08 schestowitz-TR; I want to see how the community reacts to all this
05:08 schestowitz-TR; we already wrote a lot about the subject
05:08 schestowitz-TR; github etc. that he joined Microsoft like Miguel and Nat is just "icing on the kaka"
05:08 schestowitz-TR; or rather, maybe that helps expose him for what he really is or was all along
05:10 schestowitz-TR; phoronix long ago became one of those sites -- like patent lying sites -- where comments are better than the article
05:10 schestowitz-TR; more honest
05:10 schestowitz-TR; co coprpoprate money spilled in
05:10 Techrights-sec; I suspect that it only exposes him for what his has been all along
05:10 Techrights-sec; he's been out to decommodify linux and will work for whichever company
05:10 Techrights-sec; willing to pay for that regardless
05:14 schestowitz-TR; maybe not too late to stop some of this agenda, e.g. systemd-homed
05:14 schestowitz-TR; I wonder what Debian will say
05:14 schestowitz-TR; given their own state of chaos
05:14 schestowitz-TR; update posted yesterday in debian.coimmunity
05:14 schestowitz-TR; *no croporate money
05:14 schestowitz-TR; wait for SJVN to blog some BS grabage in ZDNet from his TWO chromebooks
05:14 schestowitz-TR; zemlin: huh? what is systemd? sorry, i'm not so technical...
05:14 schestowitz-TR; is this a computer kanguage? d?
05:14 schestowitz-TR; my garndpa was... [some lies]
05:15 Techrights-sec; ack
05:17 schestowitz-TR; I did not tell rianne when I went to bed cause I was not sure how she would interpret it and if it would upset her
05:17 schestowitz-TR; to me, it's another new war in the battle
05:17 schestowitz-TR; and Microsoft Windows is dying rapidly
05:17 schestowitz-TR; so they need to screw the competition
05:17 schestowitz-TR; btw, chromebooks do NOT use system
05:17 schestowitz-TR; gulag has the resources to avoid it
05:17 schestowitz-TR; *systemd
05:17 Techrights-sec; Lennart has been trying to degrade Linux into becoming WIndows-like all along
05:17 Techrights-sec; so it is enraging but not a surprise
05:20 schestowitz-TR; I told kaniini that is he spins a new contrainer (tuxmachines or TM-new) better to make that alpine
05:20 schestowitz-TR; or some other system-less OS
05:20 schestowitz-TR; if we follow through with the plan the stack should be quite simple anyway
05:20 schestowitz-TR; LA--
05:20 schestowitz-TR; or LA-Perl
05:20 schestowitz-TR; I put a lot of thought into implementation, jumping ahead of myself
05:20 schestowitz-TR; and also ways to merge the context of old and news
05:20 schestowitz-TR; tomorrow we find out about shift patterns to ffollow
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05:22 Techrights-sec; ack
05:23 schestowitz-TR; front page of /. just posted anti-Linux story from MSFT and kid arse-fucking arse technically pedo
05:23 Techrights-sec; not a surprise /. has been dead for many years and the husk is owned and
05:23 Techrights-sec; operated by microsofters
05:25 schestowitz-TR; well, /. is dead
05:25 schestowitz-TR; make sure SN does not become the same
05:26 Techrights-sec; takes effort and a bit of defense
05:27 schestowitz-TR; maybe Microsoft will offer the chief editor a "job" (bribe) at Micros~1 RESEAR~1
05:28 Techrights-sec; no they will just troll the site to death like they did with /.
05:28 Techrights-sec; and burn out the editors; when they did that to /. they were able to
05:28 Techrights-sec; get them to sell but this time it would just go under
05:28 Techrights-sec; which is what they want to achieve through their astroturfing anyway
05:29 schestowitz-TR; pro-MSFT Mac Asay = timewasting, a productivity drain
05:29 schestowitz-TR; fustration, loss of interest
05:30 Techrights-sec; asay is on par with lennart; restricted boot and UEFI have been extremely
05:30 Techrights-sec; harmful to commodity hardware and commodity systems
05:38 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Torvalds looks 60. He's now helping Hondahl promote his new paymaster.
05:46 Techrights-sec; over 60 or worse
05:47 schestowitz-TR; microsoft systemdefective: well, he's dead
05:47 schestowitz-TR; now they just need a kernel
05:47 Techrights-sec; https://artixlinux.org/
05:47 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-artixlinux.org | Artix Linux - Home
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07:35 schestowitz-TR; repairing DB (not creitical)
07:35 schestowitz-TR; the db is live is tgemporary
07:35 schestowitz-TR; I'll revert back to 27/6 copy later
07:35 schestowitz-TR; after running a screipt with wget to get all node posted since then
07:35 Techrights-sec; ack
07:35 Techrights-sec; ok
07:35 schestowitz-TR; and then make a list of apache redirection for these (to the copies in the new site)
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07:38 Techrights-sec; what options do you have with wget?
07:41 schestowitz-TR; assuming latest "stable" node was XXXXX
07:41 schestowitz-TR; we just wget XXXXX+1, +2, 3+...
07:41 schestowitz-TR; then make an apache list for each XXX
07:41 schestowitz-TR; and copy the donwloaded files to the new server
07:41 schestowitz-TR; this way no links will be broken
07:41 schestowitz-TR; but I want to get this finished beore the DB breaks down completely
07:41 schestowitz-TR; it's shedding off mostly search index-relared data for now
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08:23 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Tor Network, having as its default search engine DuckDuckGo." Tor took bribes from Microsoft, via its proxy DDG, and now helps Microsoft spy on Tor users. Tor is compromised. https://trendoceans.com/install-tor-browser-linux/ http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
08:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-trendoceans.com | How to Install Tor Browser in Linux with Security Guide - TREND OCEANS
08:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | DuckDuckGo - Techrights
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08:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Tor Browser if not Tor Project is compromised. Bribed by Microsoft to help Microsoft spy...
08:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsoft systemd has made "Linux" as unreliable as Windows https://techhq.com/2022/07/ubuntu-22-oomd-app-killer-mem<techrights-news> Microsoft systemd has made "Linux" as unreliable as Windows https://techhq.com/2022/07/ubuntu-22-oomd-app-killer-memory-pressure/ory-pressure/
08:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techhq.com | Ubuntu 22.04 users find problem with OOMD app killer
08:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-TechHQ - Technology and business
08:39 schestowitz-TR; DDG did not DONATE to Tor. It passed MICROSOFT BRIBE MONEY TO TOR. And now Tor Browser helps the NSA, via Microsoft, spy on users. Microsoft is subsidised (or bailed out) with Pentagon budgets for 'dick moves' like these...
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10:22 schestowitz-TR; made some memes
10:22 schestowitz-TR; do you want to start prototyping the tuxmachines cms before we even get the machine?
10:22 schestowitz-TR; can start at my end, then push to git
10:22 Techrights-sec; back
10:22 Techrights-sec; is there a machine to work on or should I set up a temporary on here?
10:23 schestowitz-TR; can you set one up, please? apache needed, I can set news.tuxmachines.org to point to that IP address, no matter port number
10:24 Techrights-sec; the address changes periodically; it'll be on an odd port since the IPv4
10:24 Techrights-sec; address is already in use on ports 80 and 443;
10:26 schestowitz-TR; that's OK, I can add ":" for port, just need ssh access to code over
10:26 schestowitz-TR; I will start coding crude prototype in bash here
10:26 Techrights-sec; yes HTTP can be tunneled over SSH using SOCKS5
10:36 schestowitz-TR; got the main loop working
10:36 schestowitz-TR; nice and simple
10:36 schestowitz-TR; I assume you know how to leverage perl to make rss feeds
10:36 Techrights-sec; yes that's straightforward
10:38 schestowitz-TR; I'm thinking,
10:38 schestowitz-TR; font page shows all items last updated in past 24 hours
10:38 schestowitz-TR; maybe with uppser limit imposed on number
10:38 schestowitz-TR; then, for each day we keep an archive and sort of yearly calendar
10:38 schestowitz-TR; catagories and tags are outdated and can be a waste of time
10:38 schestowitz-TR; Google disregards SEO and does its own s***
10:50 schestowitz-TR; main loop done, added css, meta etc.
10:50 schestowitz-TR; my laptop does not run apache, so I cannot show you
10:50 schestowitz-TR; I will push to git in a moment
10:58 schestowitz-TR; ok, adding
11:00 Techrights-sec; checking
11:05 Techrights-sec; missed a line, retry please
11:05 Techrights-sec; yes when the system connects the first time, one of those fingerprints whill
11:05 Techrights-sec; will get shown
11:17 schestowitz-TR; I got connection refused, but I assume I need to add those lines to knownhosts?
11:17 schestowitz-TR; files in place, domain news.tuxmachine.org working
11:17 schestowitz-TR; I think without being in sudoers I cannot feasibly configure apache to serve
11:17 schestowitz-TR; I tried a few things
11:19 schestowitz-TR; it'll need to be configured to use some strange port number for http/s
11:26 Techrights-sec; SOCKS5 will work for http/s
11:26 Techrights-sec; restarting apache2
11:27 schestowitz-TR; what port number?
11:27 schestowitz-TR; see news.tuxmachine.org
11:27 schestowitz-TR; can work as alias for your port 80 site
11:27 schestowitz-TR; but I want to read what's in homedir/tuxmachines atm
11:27 schestowitz-TR; this way we can both see it
11:36 schestowitz-TR; looking under sites_enabled
11:36 schestowitz-TR; must I set it in firefox or can I just localhost:4445 after the tunnel is up and running?
11:36 schestowitz-TR; ok, adding
11:37 Techrights-sec; the firefox profile must point to a SOCKS proxy
11:41 schestowitz-TR; ok, so firefox has for socks v 5 localhost port 4445
11:41 schestowitz-TR; I get nothing for the local IP after that
11:41 schestowitz-TR; no d block?
11:51 Techrights-sec; firefox always tries to force HTTPS if you are not extra careful
11:55 schestowitz-TR; the connection was reset
11:55 schestowitz-TR; hmmm... I've checked the settings again
11:55 schestowitz-TR; and ports etc.
11:55 schestowitz-TR; and the tunnel
11:55 schestowitz-TR; I even set both http proxy and sock5 host to localhost:4445
11:55 schestowitz-TR; out of frustration
11:56 Techrights-sec; and in firefox, Edit->Settings->General->Network Settings->
11:56 Techrights-sec; Manual proxy_> SOCK HOST 127.0.0.1 port 4445 ?
11:56 Techrights-sec; and you've connectwde with SSH using:
11:56 Techrights-sec; ssh -D 4445 -p 2230 news.techrights.org
11:56 Techrights-sec; ?
11:56 schestowitz-TR; tuxmachines
11:56 schestowitz-TR; you typd techrights
11:56 schestowitz-TR; but I corrected it
11:58 schestowitz-TR; ok, got it now
11:58 schestowitz-TR; let's get to work ;-)
11:58 Techrights-sec; and Proxy DNS is checked ?
11:58 Techrights-sec; and Enable DNS over HTTP is unchecked?L
11:58 Techrights-sec; yep
12:01 schestowitz-TR; go to webroot
12:01 schestowitz-TR; you can see one shell script
12:01 schestowitz-TR; self-explanatory
12:01 Techrights-sec; not the right place for scripts, but ok
12:03 Techrights-sec; SSI is now turned on
12:03 Techrights-sec; minor problem on this platform: RPi does not have incron :(
12:03 Techrights-sec; soon it is essential
12:03 Techrights-sec; this machine will not go live though
12:03 Techrights-sec; I've added HTML tidy
12:04 schestowitz-TR; the general idea is, under nodes new files are either added or modified (updated)
12:04 schestowitz-TR; find or another tool needs to sort them chronologically
12:04 schestowitz-TR; then, for nodes, cull out header and footer
12:04 schestowitz-TR; incron not essential yet
12:04 schestowitz-TR; as we can use a cron job and when putting it live update triggers can be changed
12:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, this machine won't be live
12:04 schestowitz-TR; rianne told me about borisnaro
12:05 Techrights-sec; the <meta> element is essential for processing by date
12:06 schestowitz-TR; the filesystem, I thought, stored time last modified
12:06 schestowitz-TR; but that's not important atm
12:06 schestowitz-TR; rss would be nice
12:06 schestowitz-TR; and way to strip out header and footer from nodes before or after concatenation
12:06 schestowitz-TR; and computed cheaply
12:08 Techrights-sec; the file system date is not relevant in this case and can be wrong
12:08 Techrights-sec; see nodes/1.html
12:08 Techrights-sec; RSS is easy
12:08 Techrights-sec; header and footer can be served via SSI
12:11 schestowitz-TR; I don't know SSI, so it's good that you do :-)
12:11 schestowitz-TR; I threw a footer in all 4 "nodes"
12:11 schestowitz-TR; and then you came back, so I did not go further than that and copied the file to the server
12:11 schestowitz-TR; in terms of layout, I can make is fancy-schmancy later
12:11 schestowitz-TR; the "core" is the node body
12:11 schestowitz-TR; in kde rianne and I can just have he directory open and add objects to it
12:11 schestowitz-TR; but for a better controlled workflow we can write a command line tool, like
12:11 schestowitz-TR; add note, which asks for frields like title and then does the rest
12:16 Techrights-sec; right look in the HTML source
12:16 Techrights-sec; for 1.html
12:16 Techrights-sec; do we want to use the +x hack or name the files .shtml or just apply SSI to
12:16 Techrights-sec; all the HTML files within the ./node hierarchy?
12:16 Techrights-sec; maybe that last option is best
12:17 schestowitz-TR; I don't see "header" and "footer" but top and bottom as those are the bits which go above and below the body, <title> needs to vary and it's in <head>
12:17 schestowitz-TR; yes, just checked the file
12:17 schestowitz-TR; your suggestion is a good one
12:17 schestowitz-TR; in terms of file names, we can write the "slug" as the filename
12:17 schestowitz-TR; maybe some tools can prepend or append date to the filename to avoid slug collisions
12:19 Techrights-sec; yes
12:19 Techrights-sec; a script can ask for the date, the title, the slug, and then open an editor
12:19 Techrights-sec; for the post, and then when the editor is closed (and the post passes validation) then write it all to a file named after the slug in a subdirectory under node
12:19 Techrights-sec; based on year/month/day
12:24 Techrights-sec; ok I must think a bit and then try some scripting
12:29 schestowitz-TR; yes, that would be a plendid workflow
12:29 schestowitz-TR; faster than before
12:29 schestowitz-TR; if two days later we open such a file over ssh
12:29 schestowitz-TR; and add "Update: xxxxxxx"
12:29 schestowitz-TR; the timestamp will change
12:29 schestowitz-TR; so it'll be presented again at the front page
12:29 schestowitz-TR; which is the behaviour we want
12:29 schestowitz-TR; we can make this very very efficient
12:29 schestowitz-TR; to limit the load on kaniini's hardware
12:29 schestowitz-TR; later I can envison myself doing certain types of articles in TR with the same software
12:29 schestowitz-TR; and the IRC log pages can be automated to that effect
12:29 schestowitz-TR; gradually
12:29 schestowitz-TR; maybe link pages too
12:29 schestowitz-TR; time will tell, as DB usage should be restricted to nodes with [cref ] and other fancy things
12:29 schestowitz-TR; if it's made "thin" enouch, pages can be served from local hosting
12:29 Techrights-sec; yes that is a goal
12:29 schestowitz-TR; and then larger files from media.tuxmachines.org or similar (hosted in a DC)
12:32 Techrights-sec; the size of the files only affects the bandwidth not the CPU or anything else
12:32 Techrights-sec; AFAIK
12:32 Techrights-sec; except disk IO
12:33 schestowitz-TR; the pages are not large most of the time, and I don't expect there to be any JS code inline
12:33 schestowitz-TR; css can be put in external file, as is done now
12:34 Techrights-sec; yes CSS can be an external file too
12:36 schestowitz-TR; even an iframe for irc, where nowadays we do chats instead of comments
12:37 schestowitz-TR; but there are privacy implication as we do not self-hhost the irc "applet/s"
13:07 schestowitz-TR; ping
13:07 schestowitz-TR; I've made a 'cheap' cron job to update every min
13:07 schestowitz-TR; add some 'real life' (latest) node examples
13:07 schestowitz-TR; looks good
13:07 schestowitz-TR; simple and clean so far, all static
13:07 schestowitz-TR; it would also make it easier to 'mass add' nodes
13:07 schestowitz-TR; edit several files
13:07 schestowitz-TR; then dump them all at once on the server
13:07 Techrights-sec; pong
13:07 Techrights-sec; working with node/1.html as a mockup
13:07 Techrights-sec; too soon for cron
13:07 Techrights-sec; cron won't be used in the final version anyway, that's what inotify incron is
13:07 Techrights-sec; for
13:09 schestowitz-TR; cron is just there to spare me manually regenerating the thing
13:09 schestowitz-TR; if we use this sort of workflow, then using off-the-shift html->gemtext convertors
13:09 schestowitz-TR; would be simple too
13:38 schestowitz-TR; ---
13:39 schestowitz-TR; yes, I noticed some minutes ago, thanks !
13:39 schestowitz-TR; making the heaings hyperlinks so that individual pages stand out on their own in the front page
13:39 schestowitz-TR; heading changed to h2 as the front page has h1 at the top
13:39 schestowitz-TR; changed files to shtml
13:39 schestowitz-TR; I remember coding pages like this 20 years ago
13:39 schestowitz-TR; like custom error pages
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13:49 Techrights-sec; ok
13:50 schestowitz-TR; I am working on Daily Links, your progress is phenomenal
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13:58 Techrights-sec; still experimenting
14:00 schestowitz-TR; rianne likes it
14:00 schestowitz-TR; it can hopefully make the irc channel of tuxmachines grow a "real" community
14:00 schestowitz-TR; like hack-a-day
14:00 schestowitz-TR; but they don't use irc, there's some other system
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14:04 Techrights-sec; ok is there an original of the image used to produce top3.jpeg somewhere?
14:04 Techrights-sec; The jpeg is full of artifacts and ought to be tidied, as well as
14:04 Techrights-sec; redone for some slight layout changes
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14:05 schestowitz-TR; if there was an original, it's long gone (it's from susan's times)
14:08 Techrights-sec; it's a nice picture but the file is damaged with compression artifacts
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15:45 Techrights-sec; I'll let it rest a bit and consider how the script should put it together
15:45 Techrights-sec; the latest.html would be generated automatically by incron
15:45 Techrights-sec; the text of this one does not make much sense on its own:
15:45 Techrights-sec; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/07/miguel-de-lp/
15:45 Techrights-sec; with TM, the old site uses /node/... so it must be renamed for the new site
15:45 Techrights-sec; so that the patterns used in the Rewrite Engine are simpler
16:05 schestowitz-TR; back
16:05 schestowitz-TR; excellent, I think that's the majority of the work done already
16:05 schestowitz-TR; rss feed and adding new nodes would be next
16:05 schestowitz-TR; I'll prod kaniini
16:05 Techrights-sec; working on the secondary rss feeds atm
16:05 Techrights-sec; rss-since-scraper.pl will be the base for that
16:05 Techrights-sec; too soon for that, let's have more of a prototype first
16:07 Techrights-sec; It'll take a day or two
16:07 schestowitz-TR; right, I agree.
17:16 schestowitz-TR; I've modified the index to sort the nodes by age last modified
17:16 schestowitz-TR; so if, e.g. I added "Upd[ate" to some node, it'll show up at the top again
17:16 schestowitz-TR; prior to it the list was just all nodes from past 24 hours
17:32 Techrights-sec; I've added the external feed option
17:32 Techrights-sec; 1.shtml
17:32 Techrights-sec; It might need tweaking
17:37 schestowitz-TR; aha! great idea
17:37 schestowitz-TR; also reuse of our toolset
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17:43 Techrights-sec; It links to the external feed, but I guess it could be modified to link to
17:43 Techrights-sec; the main HTML site instead
17:45 schestowitz-TR; the part that says "latest post", yes
17:45 schestowitz-TR; once we have rss feeds for new tuxmachines
17:45 schestowitz-TR; site querying itself for its own rss feed to present latest posts in the right sidebar, plus
17:45 schestowitz-TR; it would highlight the newly modified ones if the rss feed is derived from the slice in the front page
17:45 schestowitz-TR; which scans timestamps of files and sorts by them
17:57 Techrights-sec; yes, that's what it's for: the site's own RSS feed
17:57 Techrights-sec; I'll take a look at the scripts to create and update posts tomorrow
17:59 schestowitz-TR; this will give us a ton of flexibility
17:59 schestowitz-TR; drupal was not just bloated but constantly changing so any 'hacking' on the code, even if modularised, would break later
17:59 schestowitz-TR; there are several ways we can make TM better
17:59 schestowitz-TR; inc. building a community for discussions, likely the one in the TR IRC network
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18:00 Techrights-sec; you'll need much better (by orders of magnitude) curation of any IRC channe
18:00 Techrights-sec; used for TM; it'll work but it will cost time and effort and need several
18:00 Techrights-sec; volunteers to cover different time shifts; booting off-topic chatter
18:00 Techrights-sec; will probably be essential in particular in the beginning
18:04 schestowitz-TR; atm it is barely 'advertised', so it rarely gets anough momentum to get long discussions going
18:04 schestowitz-TR; at our end (desktop) we'd also need to tweak some scripts, but the modifications would be minor
18:04 schestowitz-TR; I reckon the old site can cope OK another 7 days before we revert back to its older and more complete state
18:04 schestowitz-TR; the "missing" nodes can be downloaded algorithmically, uploaded after reverting back, then linked to with apache redirects
18:04 schestowitz-TR; to avoid 404s, but those are all minor details
18:04 schestowitz-TR; the lion's share of readers is the rss crowd
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