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00:01 schestowitz-TR; [15:35] <techrights-news> Blockchain is Dangerous Nonsense //www.eisfunke.com/article/blockchain-technology.html
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05:47 schestowitz-TR; social control media can be very addictive in some sense
05:47 schestowitz-TR; I noticed this well before "FOMO" was a thing
05:47 schestowitz-TR; back around 2009 and 2010, with identica, I would meticulously go through every "DENT"
05:47 schestowitz-TR; that made it through (by bot) into our IRC channel
05:47 schestowitz-TR; every single one of them
05:47 schestowitz-TR; using the IRC logs
05:47 schestowitz-TR; I'd then follow the link and get it "done"
05:47 schestowitz-TR; it became my toldo list
05:47 schestowitz-TR; based on who I followed, e.g. Glyn Moody
05:47 schestowitz-TR; Years later I stopped doing it
05:47 schestowitz-TR; That was very time-consuming
05:47 schestowitz-TR; That was identica and the results were linear, neutral
05:47 schestowitz-TR; the s/n ratio was nopt too bad
05:47 schestowitz-TR; of course all those dents have been lost forever since 2013, except maybe
05:47 schestowitz-TR; our IRC archive of the odd IA copy (I don't suppose they retain like a million dents)
05:51 Techrights-sec; Glyn should has a feed. I'd go out of my way to read the articles
05:51 Techrights-sec; he writes, even if I would not otherwise visit some of the sites
05:51 Techrights-sec; ^s/has/have/
05:51 Techrights-sec; yes the effort that people put into social control media is largely a waste
05:52 Techrights-sec; Independent, threaded discussion forums like SN are another matter.
05:52 Techrights-sec; They can be of use. Reddit and HN are not among them. Those are shill
05:52 Techrights-sec; sites and Reddit is as least as bad as Twitter, perhaps worse
05:52 Techrights-sec; I generally go out of my way to avoid following a link if I see that it
05:52 Techrights-sec; goes to Reddit
05:52 schestowitz-TR; [21:18] <techrights-news> "Communication within the OpenWrt Project One of OpenWrt's (and former LEDE's) goals is that all project-related communication should be done on public channels that are archived and easily browsable." LOL, outsourcing to malicious, lying, propaganda and censorship site Reddit!!! https://openwrt.org/contact?rev=1651790990&do=diff
05:52 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-openwrt.org | [OpenWrt Wiki] Communication within the OpenWrt Project
05:54 schestowitz-TR; coming soon: Bill gates Ask Me ANything PREFILTERED, about how people yell at me in the streets -- people who
05:54 schestowitz-TR; are conspiracy cranks and wannabe murderers... and how I'm really sorry about meeting a person who
05:54 schestowitz-TR; gives access to little girls... not everyone who does this can just "apologise" his way out
05:56 Techrights-sec; yep they prefilter it so he gets only softball questions
05:56 Techrights-sec; I suppose they are overdue for another such session of reputation laundering
05:57 schestowitz-TR; remember they ewmployed Microsoft Peter for a decade
05:57 schestowitz-TR; they develop a reputation and names for them
05:57 schestowitz-TR; that will chase them for years
05:59 Techrights-sec; yep
06:00 Techrights-sec; though they do what they can to brush that under the rug
06:01 Techrights-sec; not just were but still are doing that
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07:08 schestowitz-TR; Conde Nast (of Reddit etc.): we not only employ pedophiles who shill for Microsoft (and get arrested for raping ki
07:08 schestowitz-TR; ds), for a whole decade. We also do white-washing for billionaires who are Jeffrey Epstein enablers. I suppose Redd
07:08 schestowitz-TR; it and Ars have no qualms about promoting paedophiles while censoring those who speak on the subject.
07:08 schestowitz-TR; bbl
07:08 Techrights-sec; ack
07:32 schestowitz-TR; I've nopticed 2 issues
07:32 schestowitz-TR; 1) the git commnand periodically run does not show me when there are new commits for me to pull
07:32 schestowitz-TR; except the ones I push myself
07:32 schestowitz-TR; 2) the add-irc-line fails to work, I'm still investigating the cause
07:32 schestowitz-TR; OK, re (2), you are running the code that adds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[tag]
07:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | [tag - Search results - Wikipedia
07:32 schestowitz-TR; at your end
07:32 schestowitz-TR; so that's the issue
07:32 schestowitz-TR; (I add those at my end before posting Daily Links)
07:39 schestowitz-TR; I've nopticed 2 issues
07:39 schestowitz-TR; 1) the git commnand periodically run does not show me when there are new commits for me to pull
07:39 schestowitz-TR; except the ones I push myself
07:39 schestowitz-TR; 2) the add-irc-line fails to work, I'm still investigating the cause
07:39 schestowitz-TR; OK, re (2), you are running the code that adds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[tag]
07:39 schestowitz-TR; at your end
07:39 schestowitz-TR; so that's the issue
07:39 schestowitz-TR; (I add those at my end before posting Daily Links)
07:39 schestowitz-TR; re (1), I added a pull before the usual command, then pushed the changes
07:39 schestowitz-TR; [07:36] <techrights-news> Based on Statcounter, Edge market share fell every month this year. Microsoft Edge, Jan to May: 4.12, 4.06, 4.05, 4.05, and 4.04%
07:41 Techrights-sec; the addition of tags is accidental, as mentioned I am a novice with Git
07:41 Techrights-sec; and only just starting with it
07:41 Techrights-sec; the 'git commit; git push' are the two basic commands and if there
07:41 Techrights-sec; are tags added, it is git itself
07:41 Techrights-sec; git is really good and from what I read has the functionality that
07:41 Techrights-sec; is actually needed but the workflow / UI is terrible
07:42 schestowitz-TR; same here, though I was good at cvs and svn
07:42 schestowitz-TR; these things are like waves that com and go
07:42 schestowitz-TR; something will replace git
07:42 schestowitz-TR; wedon't know what yet
07:42 schestowitz-TR; (it won't be github, gh is waning slowly)
07:42 schestowitz-TR; No, I meant you added http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[tag] at your end in combined html file
07:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | [tag - Search results - Wikipedia
07:42 schestowitz-TR; those tags should not be added until the end, from my end
07:42 Techrights-sec; checking...
07:42 Techrights-sec; I see.
07:44 schestowitz-TR; B0ng [sic] and Edge are so insignificant that any mere mention of themn, IMHO, would be
07:44 schestowitz-TR; 'advertising'... I checked the share because some stupid site did a howo on how to
07:44 schestowitz-TR; install it in "Linux"... I've not seen such misguided howtos in a while
07:44 Techrights-sec; yes they should not be advertised
07:46 Techrights-sec; re-uploaded merged links
07:47 schestowitz-TR; thanks, fetching
07:47 schestowitz-TR; haha 2,200 lines at my expand after expansion
07:47 schestowitz-TR; I think an all-time high ;-)
07:47 schestowitz-TR; good
07:47 schestowitz-TR; I'lll have a crack at it now, accommodating tuxmachines
07:48 Techrights-sec; nice
07:48 Techrights-sec; only 49 links added manually. that is the high end of average
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-01.html:40
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-02.html:19
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-03.html:75
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-04.html:66
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-05.html:53
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-06.html:55
07:48 Techrights-sec; 2022-05-07.html:49
07:52 schestowitz-TR; there is a leftover "]"
07:52 schestowitz-TR; after <h5>
07:52 schestowitz-TR; not sure why, but this one I will remove manually this time at my end
07:52 schestowitz-TR; I am guesing something in the code at you end had this small bug
07:52 schestowitz-TR; but either way, for today's file the fix was simple, with search and replace
07:52 Techrights-sec; ok
07:52 Techrights-sec; $ grep -c http ../m2022-04/2022-04-??.html | awk -F : '{a=a+$2} END {print a/NR}'
07:52 Techrights-sec; 45.5667
07:52 Techrights-sec; probably; I had to re-clone Git yesterday
08:00 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> I deleted Windows! And switched to Fedora gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-05-06-I-deleted-Windows-and-switched-to-Fedora.gmi
08:01 schestowitz-TR; to see what I mean about "[" (or "]" rather) you can open the merged file at your end,
08:01 schestowitz-TR; also see [Old] ]"
08:02 Techrights-sec; Yes what's strange is that the sed formula was balanced, I double-checked
08:02 Techrights-sec; it
08:02 Techrights-sec; I should have checked the output before uploading though
08:03 schestowitz-TR; i fixed it for today, I'm apace now
08:03 schestowitz-TR; I really enjoyed some EPO comments today
08:03 schestowitz-TR; I posted loads in the main channel
08:03 Techrights-sec; ack
08:03 Techrights-sec; DFC
08:03 Techrights-sec; 's channe?
08:04 schestowitz-TR; heh. yes. though matey has been getting dominant there too, which I don't mind
08:04 schestowitz-TR; I don't spend much time there lately
08:04 Techrights-sec; as long as the off-topic rants, misdirection, and lies are minimized all
08:04 Techrights-sec; around
08:16 Techrights-sec; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/
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08:47 Techrights-sec; I wonder how unsustaibable the business model of youtube is,
08:47 Techrights-sec; bandwidth costs always and so does storage and while the bandwidth will
08:47 Techrights-sec; presumably fluctuate in proportion to the ads shown the storage cossts
08:47 Techrights-sec; only rise
08:52 schestowitz-TR; good topic
08:52 schestowitz-TR; I have wondered about it since 2006
08:52 schestowitz-TR; let's break it down
08:52 schestowitz-TR; expenses:
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 1) staff
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 2) equipment in DC
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 3) network (upstream+more hardware)
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 4) replication, see (2) and more of (1)
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 5) moderation and enforcement, see (1)
08:52 schestowitz-TR; sources of income
08:52 schestowitz-TR; 1) ads
08:52 schestowitz-TR; and I think that's it?
08:52 schestowitz-TR; (mind you, over time storage costs go down, but electricity is getting more expensive
08:52 schestowitz-TR; and over time gulag needs to store more and more data. If traffic decreasesd, the cost/benefit
08:52 schestowitz-TR; equation changes as the ad revenue does not keep up with operation costs)
08:52 schestowitz-TR; I forgot to mention among expenses the payouts (before!) to so-called 'creators'
08:52 schestowitz-TR; When Ton from Blender rejected GitHub he said it had been ioperating at a loss
08:52 schestowitz-TR; and riving VCs' money, hence he knew they would turn the tables one day
08:52 schestowitz-TR; same for me with gulagtube
08:52 schestowitz-TR; for techbytes we always self-hosted, gulag has a few copies, but that was all
08:52 schestowitz-TR; gulagtube and gulagdrive are just more "professional" faces on Mega/MegaUpload
08:54 Techrights-sec; I wonder how unsustaibable the business model of youtube is,
08:54 Techrights-sec; bandwidth costs always and so does storage and while the bandwidth will
08:54 Techrights-sec; presumably fluctuate in proportion to the ads shown the storage cossts
08:54 Techrights-sec; only rise
08:54 Techrights-sec; afaik
08:54 Techrights-sec; ah there is also a "premium" for 7 USD / month
08:54 schestowitz-TR; did you not send me a URL about gulagtube shutting down some "premium" thing (not Red)?
08:54 schestowitz-TR; Or was it for Twitter or similar (like blue and that new openwash thing, pretending it's not centralised)?
08:56 Techrights-sec;
08:56 Techrights-sec; nut no clue if anyone anywhere has ever signed up for that
08:56 Techrights-sec; yes but those payouts are probably small when considered in context
08:56 Techrights-sec; "YouTube also earns revenue from Channel Memberships, YouTube TV, Super Chats, Super Stickers, Super Thanks & Merch
08:56 Techrights-sec; andise. "
08:56 Techrights-sec; https://whatisthebusinessmodelof.com/business-models/youtube-business-model/
08:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-whatisthebusinessmodelof.com | YouTube Business Model: How YouTube Makes Money
08:56 Techrights-sec; But that can't account for much
08:56 Techrights-sec; there are probably also kickbacks or whatever for surveillance but not
08:56 Techrights-sec; mentioned explicitly
08:56 Techrights-sec; I still can't figure out how Mega differed from the other services
08:56 Techrights-sec; aside from not being fully onboard with surveillance (probably)
08:59 schestowitz-TR; they say mega was not serious about enforcement or moderation re copyrights
08:59 schestowitz-TR; or turned a blind eye
08:59 schestowitz-TR; megaupload more so
08:59 schestowitz-TR; which sounds plausible, but the task does not scale well
08:59 schestowitz-TR; and I don't see evidence of Box or Gulag doing any better in tharhat regardl
08:59 schestowitz-TR; when you are small it\'s common to claim you are infested with "nazis" (parler)
08:59 schestowitz-TR; or "piracy" (MegaUpload)
08:59 schestowitz-TR; though figures are hard to verify with
08:59 Techrights-sec; yet youtube was allowed to grow; I wonder the relative size of youtube
08:59 Techrights-sec; at the time it was bought by Google compared to Mega
09:00 schestowitz-TR; Mega or MegaUpload? Mind you, the latter is dead and the former rather dodgy
09:01 schestowitz-TR; they also eliminated many "unused" accounts to lower operational costs
09:01 schestowitz-TR; 10 years ago rianne and I uploaded backups of photos to mega
09:02 Techrights-sec; yes I sometimes wonder why youtube does not purge content to save space
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09:04 schestowitz-TR; it does delete it
09:04 schestowitz-TR; I also had this theory I tested last month
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09:04 schestowitz-TR; about proximity/cdn
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09:04 schestowitz-TR; and how old and barely watched videoe don't get distributed far
09:04 schestowitz-TR; like Wayback Machine being slow
09:04 schestowitz-TR; they even added ads to my old videos
09:04 schestowitz-TR; that are old howtos
09:04 schestowitz-TR; can you remind me what link you send re shutdown of "premium" plan? was it gulagtube?
09:04 schestowitz-TR; I think we're about to see a major avalanche there...
09:05 Techrights-sec; I think the wayback machien is slow on purpose in self-defense
09:05 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure I recall, looking anyway ...
09:05 Techrights-sec; https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2022/01/19/youtube-to-shut-down-originals-programme/
09:05 Techrights-sec; ??
09:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitaltveurope.com | YouTube to shut down Originals programme Digital TV Europe
09:08 schestowitz-TR; no, it has to be newer, days old, maybe under surveillance or astroturfing
09:09 schestowitz-TR; it was not youtube red or twitter "blue"
09:09 schestowitz-TR; or cnn's drm experiment
09:09 schestowitz-TR; drm has a new name, "+"
09:09 schestowitz-TR; ABCD+
09:09 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to teach people to start paying for something
09:09 schestowitz-TR; 1) they used to get for free
09:09 schestowitz-TR; 2) they can still get for free elsewhere
09:10 Techrights-sec; https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/news/netflix-responds-to-drop-in-subscribers-by-cancelling-more-projects-20220422
09:10 Techrights-sec; ??
09:10 Techrights-sec; https://www.theverge.com/23043232/cnn-plus-axios-chat-shut-down-streaming-news
09:10 Techrights-sec; ??
09:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gamingbible.co.uk | Netflix Responds To Drop In Subscribers By Cancelling Even More Projects
09:10 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theverge.com | This chart might explain why CNN Plus shut down early - The Verge
09:18 schestowitz-TR; checking...
09:18 schestowitz-TR; not sure it's critical, but....
09:18 schestowitz-TR; actually, I might end up ina rabbithole, checking a week's worth of Daily Links
09:18 schestowitz-TR; the point being, never mind what exactly it was (maybe I didn't even get that from "merged"),
09:18 schestowitz-TR; all those upselling programmes are failing
09:18 schestowitz-TR; Bryant when he was still "The Linux Gamer" made fun of Twitter Blue
09:18 schestowitz-TR; or maybe it was someone else
09:18 schestowitz-TR; there is usually no value to these things other than perceived prestiage
09:18 schestowitz-TR; like the blue "Mussk-Certified" tick
09:18 schestowitz-TR; the very fact those programmes keep coming back show that the biz model is not workng
09:18 schestowitz-TR; when twitter OMENTARILY made profits it was the time it was clobbering away at the userbase
09:18 schestowitz-TR; doing things that royally pissed off their users
09:18 schestowitz-TR; like killing their "apps" of choice
09:18 schestowitz-TR; and then the traffic was never the same anymore
09:18 schestowitz-TR; and even with ads evewrywhere Twitter ended up swinging back into losses
09:18 schestowitz-TR; the "peak profit" era was the "period of transition by CASHING IN on what's left"
09:18 schestowitz-TR; (which I am happy about BTW; they can shoot their own feet, riding people's pension
09:18 schestowitz-TR; funds via Wall Street bubbles and spculative high-interest "schemes")
09:18 schestowitz-TR; the new Twitter owner has another momentary business model, like scamcoin and other
09:18 schestowitz-TR; schemes
09:18 schestowitz-TR; now it's the 'honeymoon period', he hasn't turned his knobs yet,
09:18 schestowitz-TR; but clues show that "free speech" means "some accounts are no longer gratis"
09:18 schestowitz-TR; won't be freee OR free....
09:18 schestowitz-TR; but he'll get a ton of attgention (brand) each time he moves the knobs
09:19 Techrights-sec; ack
09:19 Techrights-sec; I'm not so sure the business model is for twitter as much as it involves
09:19 Techrights-sec; twitter
09:19 Techrights-sec; yes, knobs will be turned after the 6-month grace period passes
09:19 Techrights-sec; the attention is part of the business model but it won't necessarily
09:19 Techrights-sec; bring in money to twitter itself, just to musk
09:22 schestowitz-TR; likme omidyar with his pet "media" projects
09:22 schestowitz-TR; rappler, the intercept etc.
09:22 schestowitz-TR; he gains personally, but not from the sites
09:22 schestowitz-TR; BTW, he did shut down the snowden leaks investigation team not too long after
09:22 schestowitz-TR; 'buying' it
09:22 schestowitz-TR; and greenwald ended up ... up in arms
09:22 schestowitz-TR; I rarely see that site anymore, but I'm sure it's still active
09:22 schestowitz-TR; it even employed a fraud arrested for plotting terrorism... as a writer
09:22 schestowitz-TR; I forgot his name
09:22 schestowitz-TR; burning sources did not help omidyar's name, either
09:22 schestowitz-TR; not one but several, and mostly due to severe cases of incompoetence
09:22 schestowitz-TR; among his staff
09:22 schestowitz-TR; I wonder if Lee (Micah) still works there, I very much doubt it
09:23 Techrights-sec; greenwald appears as a say-for-pay crank who accidentally rose to fame
09:23 Techrights-sec; because snowden accidentally picked him as a news contact; midyar shut down
09:23 Techrights-sec; the snowden archive and basically vanished the topicfrom the mainstream
09:23 Techrights-sec; even scheier has not only shut up but also began to toe the line
09:23 Techrights-sec; burning sources IMHO was one of his goals
09:23 Techrights-sec; to sow fear and distrust among potential whistleblowers
09:23 Techrights-sec; note how none have really surfaced since reality winner was
09:23 Techrights-sec; railroaded
09:26 schestowitz-TR; true, I never thought of that as a theory, but there was one firm
09:26 schestowitz-TR; advertising itself to whistleblower with expensive
09:26 schestowitz-TR; ads in large media
09:26 schestowitz-TR; and later it turned out, in court docs, that it had been an fbi informane
09:26 schestowitz-TR; Mark Said et al IIRC
09:26 schestowitz-TR; I used to fight with them, back when Wikileaks was still in good shape
09:26 schestowitz-TR; and jess Raddack along with Thomas Drake wwere prominent in Twitter
09:26 schestowitz-TR; Twitter became a divisive polatrity machine after that
09:27 Techrights-sec; ack
09:27 Techrights-sec; yes though with social control media the polarization is in part one means
09:27 Techrights-sec; to drive "engagement"
09:28 schestowitz-TR; as a side perk, it helps divert attention away from important nonpartisan stuff
09:28 schestowitz-TR; such as wikileaks
09:28 schestowitz-TR; twitter did its best to polarise these things
09:28 Techrights-sec; yes
09:28 schestowitz-TR; if not wings then "Russia" and other red herrings
09:36 schestowitz-TR; hang in there a few more years when lots more of the media and "social" media has given up
09:36 schestowitz-TR; I wonder what this will mean to www and whether things like gemini can maintain the same growth
09:36 schestowitz-TR; but people will still be talking and reading (maybe emojis), so hard to tell... as more regimes
09:36 schestowitz-TR; go to war and struggle to borrow more capital
09:36 schestowitz-TR; my guess is, rather than try to control the media directly there will be more oppression
09:36 schestowitz-TR; like outright shutting sites down or censoring them en masse
09:36 schestowitz-TR; CA system is a hopping point towards mass censorship
09:36 schestowitz-TR; they can start with "nazi" and "pirate" sites "unworthy of SSL certs" in the CA "trust cartel"
09:36 schestowitz-TR; then they will justify the same for lesser and lesser sites
09:36 schestowitz-TR; but they are still building the fences
09:36 schestowitz-TR; which each release of browsers, inc. Mozilla, the nag become worse
09:36 schestowitz-TR; then they remove the bypass buttonsa
09:36 schestowitz-TR; and later they can just outright block, mozilla even has an option for that now!
09:36 schestowitz-TR; Bakerville.
09:36 Techrights-sec; one of the changes that the social control media landscape causes is
09:36 Techrights-sec; a balkanization of society such that there are no common issues to even
09:36 Techrights-sec; debate; futhermore there is the degradation of knowledge and competency
09:36 Techrights-sec; such that opininos are given equal valence to empirical facts and the
09:36 Techrights-sec; latter are disparaged
09:39 schestowitz-TR; yes, but let's keep separate this issue for the sake of compartmentaliaation
09:39 schestowitz-TR; a friend of vigivegan said that sites with no membership in the SSL CA 'cartel' are the
09:39 schestowitz-TR; "new dark web"
09:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe that's the vision they have
09:39 schestowitz-TR; no cert = "might ne nazi"
09:39 schestowitz-TR; hence, block
09:39 schestowitz-TR; first browser
09:39 schestowitz-TR; maybe later ISP
09:39 schestowitz-TR; it's like Orban with his "media or site registration" scheme
09:39 schestowitz-TR; which earned him much notoriety about a decade back
09:39 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: is Orban still doing this?
09:39 Techrights-sec; could be. there is certainly an effort to marginalize those outside
09:39 Techrights-sec; the certificate cartel. That goes *also* for various programing libraries.
09:42 schestowitz-TR; we need to teach people to manage their own code
09:42 schestowitz-TR; "discoverability" is massively overrated
09:42 schestowitz-TR; like being "discovered" in gulagtube or Twitter
09:42 schestowitz-TR; tell that to TODAY's used in both
09:42 schestowitz-TR; Gulag has given up on them completely
09:42 schestowitz-TR; and Twitter is not even used that much
09:42 schestowitz-TR; shithub is one of many now, like skype 5-10 years after the criminals
09:42 schestowitz-TR; bought the darn thing
09:42 schestowitz-TR; With love from Sweden/Estonia/Lux to NSA/Microsoft...
09:42 schestowitz-TR; Made in Europe, made to work for USA, Inc.
09:42 Techrights-sec; it affect IoT badly too
09:43 schestowitz-TR; what is iot?
09:43 schestowitz-TR; what do you mean by iot?
09:43 schestowitz-TR; badly -made devices with some low-quality integration thrown on top of them
09:43 schestowitz-TR; using code "discovered" in Micrrosoft's NSAHub?
09:44 Techrights-sec; yep
09:44 Techrights-sec; more specifically it prevents or inhibits creation of reasonably secure
09:44 Techrights-sec; networked embedded devices
09:45 schestowitz-TR; what is iot?
09:45 schestowitz-TR; what do you mean by iot?
09:45 schestowitz-TR; badly -made devices with some low-quality integration thrown on top of them
09:45 schestowitz-TR; using code "discovered" in Micrrosoft's NSAHub?
09:46 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft/NSA (github CSO is from NSA) can actively promote projects with known holes in them
09:46 schestowitz-TR; as long as only NSA knows of the hole
09:46 schestowitz-TR; maybe even because it put them there several years back
09:46 schestowitz-TR; they can poison the "supply chain" with Microsoft as the middleman
09:46 Techrights-sec; "bugdoors"
09:48 schestowitz-TR; but one has to be careful floating such an hypothesis withouit any concrete evidence
09:48 schestowitz-TR; to avoid being labeled a crank
09:48 schestowitz-TR; same for the theories about GitHub Actions
09:48 schestowitz-TR; being the outsourcing of the build system
09:48 schestowitz-TR; so who the heck knows what that generates or will generate
09:49 schestowitz-TR; they control not jujst "supply chain"
09:49 schestowitz-TR; but also buiold process
09:49 schestowitz-TR; in the clown
09:49 schestowitz-TR; "BUT IT IS FREE!!!!"
09:50 schestowitz-TR; a) so what if we use github, it's still our free software
09:50 schestowitz-TR; b) so what if Microsoft took over?
09:50 schestowitz-TR; c) so what is security is managed by NSA now?
09:51 schestowitz-TR; d) so what if they can edit our code, we can check how they 'fix' it
09:51 schestowitz-TR; 3) so what if the build process isn't controlled by us?
09:51 schestowitz-TR; f) I've no arguments left, but trust me, our free software it totally safe! STOP BEING MICROSOT HATER!
09:51 Techrights-sec; yes ad hominem works well when it is heavily funded
09:55 schestowitz-TR; reats-like-we-have-never-seen/ | Source: Counter Punch
09:55 schestowitz-TR; -TechrightsSocial/#boycottnovell-social- Nuclear Threats Like We Have Never Seen - CounterPunch.org
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09:55 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D581.jpg
09:55 schestowitz-TR; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D224.jpg
09:55 schestowitz-TR; wrong paste
09:55 schestowitz-TR; "I think I link being miserable, bitter and cynical to being a good person, which is not healthy" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
09:55 schestowitz-TR; "upper-middle-class work is insane. you have finance (get paid to play the slots and steal from people), consulting (get paid to take the blame for other people's problems) and big tech (manifest the absolute worst ideas anyone has come up with)." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
09:56 schestowitz-TR; "On Tuesday I lost all hearing in my left ear over the course of three hours. I had that otherwise common, ephemeral tinnitus that one sometimes experiences for 3-4 seconds. I had an unusual number of bouts, and they started lasting progressively longer. Then hearing just never returned." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/928
10:08 schestowitz-TR; https://truthout.org/articles/trump-encouraged-elon-musk-to-buy-twitter-truth-social-ceo-devin-nunes-says/
10:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-truthout.org | Trump Encouraged Elon Musk to Buy Twitter, Truth Social CEO Devin Nunes Says
10:09 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Book Banning on the Rise in the US https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ | Source: Project Censored
10:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/book-banning-on-the-rise-in-the-us/ )
10:14 Techrights-sec; yes bookbanning and other censorship is on the rise and the maneuvering
10:14 Techrights-sec; in that direction has been prepared for years; the term "free speech"
10:14 Techrights-sec; is a dog whistle in some groups and code word which they agitate and
10:14 Techrights-sec; fight against
10:14 Techrights-sec; and twitter and the other social control media have been part of that
10:14 Techrights-sec; reframing of the term
10:14 Techrights-sec; https://www.quora.com/When-did-free-speech-become-a-dog-whistle-term-for-hate-speech
10:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-When did free speech become a dog-whistle term for hate speech? - Quora
10:15 schestowitz-TR; "ahte speech" itself is a dangerous label
10:15 schestowitz-TR; but you already know that
10:16 schestowitz-TR; a) a lot of hate is legitimate
10:16 schestowitz-TR; b) the label is poorly defined
10:16 schestowitz-TR; c) the enforcement is done by those who deserve to be hated
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10:33 schestowitz; can you still see what I wrote before my other machine died?
10:33 schestowitz; what happens when the machine dies? (I am still trying to bypass that HDMI PITA)
10:34 schestowitz; did you say something in that other session?
10:34 schestowitz; It looks insistent on starting a new session
10:34 schestowitz; instead of joining an orphaned one
10:36 schestowitz; sec:"
10:36 schestowitz; yes the word in English is becoming on par with "pravda" as people
10:36 schestowitz; move further and further away from empirical facts
10:36 schestowitz; https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/truthiness-meaning-word-origin
10:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What is 'Truthiness'? | Slang Definition of Truthiness | Merriam-Webster | Merriam-Webster
10:36 schestowitz; https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17FOB-onlanguage-t.html
10:36 schestowitz; nonot sure but you had two ytalk sessions going and two tmux sessions
10:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.nytimes.com | Truthiness - The New York Times
10:36 schestowitz; going
10:36 schestowitz; make sure that it is something like this:
10:36 schestowitz; tmux attach-session -t whatever || tmux new-session -s whatever ytalk
10:36 schestowitz; "
10:49 schestowitz; "no -c needed "
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11:11 schestowitz; brb
11:11 schestowitz; do not say anything for now
11:12 schestowitz; I think I found the culrpit
11:12 schestowitz; it's the hdmi cable
11:12 schestowitz; rianne had similar issues with this cable last yhear, we blamed laptop or screen
11:12 schestowitz; brb
11:12 schestowitz; "ack"
11:19 schestowitz-TR; HDMI remains an engima to me
11:19 schestowitz-TR; all those stupid cables
11:19 schestowitz-TR; and the random swap-around
11:19 schestowitz-TR; apropos, I plugged in an external USB storage drive
11:19 schestowitz-TR; 300 GB
11:19 schestowitz-TR; from around 2005
11:19 schestowitz-TR; no computer would be able to mount it
11:19 schestowitz-TR; so you can learn something about age of magnetic disks
11:19 schestowitz-TR; I've not connected it since maybe 2013
11:26 schestowitz-TR; to over-compensate for this misery I plan to work on my desk setup today
11:26 schestowitz-TR; any small improvement counts, over time...
11:26 schestowitz-TR; what I lost before the incident was,
11:26 schestowitz-TR; I said that just like "hate speech" the word "truth" got a bit of a bad connotation
11:26 schestowitz-TR; and that using the work, unlike facts or science, can have a bit of baggage or burden
11:26 schestowitz-TR; but I do not know it that started around 9/11/2001
11:26 schestowitz-TR; as I had been a teenager prior to it
11:26 schestowitz-TR; and did not read political literature
11:26 schestowitz-TR; the web was still just a decade old
11:33 Techrights-sec; ack
11:33 Techrights-sec; it was two links about the definition of truthines neologism
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11:40 schestowitz-TR; I think I am going to use that old hard drive as a hard prop, to hold up a screen
11:40 schestowitz-TR; sad when recycle means use electronics as a rough propr
11:41 schestowitz-TR; because they're poorly made
11:41 schestowitz-TR; not meant to last
11:50 Techrights-sec; it was two links about the definition of truthines neologism
11:50 Techrights-sec; https://www.quora.com/When-did-free-speech-become-a-dog-whistle-term-for-hate-speech
11:50 Techrights-sec; it might not be a good idea to put physical stress on the device if
11:50 Techrights-sec; it is till in use at all
11:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-When did free speech become a dog-whistle term for hate speech? - Quora
11:51 schestowitz-TR; no, the point is,
11:51 schestowitz-TR; that machine cannot be mounted
11:51 schestowitz-TR; it's almost 20 years old
11:51 schestowitz-TR; and short of forenstic tools I doubt much data can be taken off it
11:51 schestowitz-TR; it's already backed up fully yo a bigger drive iirc
11:51 schestowitz-TR; 10 times the capacity
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11:53 Techrights-sec; if it has been taken out of use then don't worry
11:53 schestowitz-TR; right now I try to over-compensate
11:53 schestowitz-TR; (psych trick)
11:53 schestowitz-TR; for the loss of productivity
11:53 schestowitz-TR; moreover knowing that starting a new sesison gives a chance to rearrange
11:53 schestowitz-TR; more so if I shuffle hardware around
11:53 schestowitz-TR; which I have to be very careful with
11:53 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I break or tear things in ther process, which means moire time wasted
12:07 Techrights-sec; ack
12:39 schestowitz-TR; it is an opti'm problem
12:39 schestowitz-TR; reusing some VERY old gear
12:39 schestowitz-TR; 20+ years
12:39 schestowitz-TR; rianne uses 3 mqachines atm
12:39 schestowitz-TR; shwe is on shift
12:39 schestowitz-TR; now I am closer to the window and doing exercise while reading should be a tad simpler
12:39 Techrights-sec; ack
12:39 Techrights-sec; treadmill?
12:39 schestowitz-TR; no, shotput ball inside a pillow case
12:42 Techrights-sec; doing TR and TM backup ATM
12:42 Techrights-sec; no
12:42 Techrights-sec; , that was the last line
12:42 schestowitz-TR; did I miss something when session reset?
12:42 schestowitz-TR; last I saw was treadmill
12:51 Techrights-sec; rupaldatabase-20220506.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated
12:53 Techrights-sec; wordpressdatabase-20220506.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated
12:54 schestowitz-TR; I guess my test scripts do not work correctly then
12:54 schestowitz-TR; you can see the empty file ~/dump-integrity-check.log and the cronjob that is supposed to send such output to it
13:01 Techrights-sec; yes that file is empty
13:02 Techrights-sec; $ gzip -t drupaldatabase-20220506.dump.gz
13:02 Techrights-sec; gzip: drupaldatabase-20220506.dump.gz: invalid compressed data--format violated
13:02 Techrights-sec; the gzipped dump is no good on TR as well
13:02 schestowitz-TR; I think I can see the issue now
13:09 Techrights-sec; which script?
13:09 Techrights-sec; fetch-tm-dump.sh ?
13:09 Techrights-sec; there is no redirect in that script, gzip works directly on the file.
13:09 Techrights-sec; perhaps that is the problem?
13:09 Techrights-sec; ^symptom
13:09 Techrights-sec; checking
13:09 schestowitz-TR; OK, I think the issue is
13:09 schestowitz-TR; running guznip and using >> to a file
13:10 schestowitz-TR; the i/o which reports an error does not go to the file
13:10 schestowitz-TR; maybe need some number there?
13:10 schestowitz-TR; ~
13:10 schestowitz-TR; the file is ~/bin/get_dbs.sh
13:10 schestowitz-TR; there are 3 places there where it sends output to a file
13:10 schestowitz-TR; there is a similar thing in the TM remote backup script
13:13 Techrights-sec; same there, gzip works directly on the file
13:13 Techrights-sec; i'm going to try re-running get_dbs.sh manually
13:13 schestowitz-TR; thanks, this way you can see i/o
13:16 Techrights-sec; although it was yesterday's which failed and today's is ok
13:16 schestowitz-TR; based on a test that I did, the error message from gunzip shows up in the command line
13:16 schestowitz-TR; but does not go to the file based on my test
13:16 schestowitz-TR; so I did the output-to-file thing wrong
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13:28 Techrights-sec; ack
13:30 schestowitz-TR; it is possible that it was always a mistake to do in-place gzip?
13:30 schestowitz-TR; doesn't seem to have caused issues until jan 6th 2022?
13:30 schestowitz-TR; I think 1>2 or something like that would let me see the status of the gz
13:30 schestowitz-TR; but that in itself would not solve the issue, just highlight it when it happens
13:30 schestowitz-TR; (/me finished shuffling things around, a lot better now!)
13:30 Techrights-sec;
13:30 Techrights-sec; ack
13:30 Techrights-sec; perhaps but I have no idea about what is causing the symptoms
13:31 schestowitz-TR; can you see my mistake, like why >> log file
13:31 schestowitz-TR; would not send the output I get when running the same interactively from the CLI?
13:35 Techrights-sec; the error message probably goes to stderr so I've added a redirection
13:35 Techrights-sec; for both lines
13:41 schestowitz-TR; in tmux I set up a small pane that notifies us when there is a bad gz
13:41 schestowitz-TR; I see three lines, for 3 gz files, I will add the missing one
13:41 schestowitz-TR; done
13:41 schestowitz-TR; the missing one was in wiki dump
13:41 schestowitz-TR; should it be 2>&1
13:41 schestowitz-TR; or the other way around?
13:41 schestowitz-TR; because in TM backup scripts it's used the other way around
13:42 schestowitz-TR; see tmux middle pane right now...
13:48 Techrights-sec; ack
13:48 Techrights-sec; it should be 2>&1
13:49 Techrights-sec; ok, so we have identified a years-old bug along the way
13:49 Techrights-sec; (I think)
13:49 Techrights-sec; or maybe those other lines are OK
13:49 schestowitz-TR; ok, so we have identified a years-old bug along the way
13:49 schestowitz-TR; (I think)
13:49 schestowitz-TR; or maybe those other lines are OK
13:49 Techrights-sec; probably
14:06 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Sites like propublica, which take bribes from Bill Gates, have two reasons not to cover his crimes but to cover them up. 1) they might put at risk future money from the criminal. 2) by writing on the issue people might be led to point out the bribes, taking the scandal public So the bribes are hush money or PR money (BillPR/NPR and BillBC).
14:15 Techrights-sec; ack
14:43 MinceR; 07 103918 < schestowitz-TR> MinceR: is Orban still doing this?
14:43 MinceR; i'm not sure what happened to that
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16:45 Techrights-sec; https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/05/05/youtube-go-is-shutting-down/
16:45 Techrights-sec; https://futurism.com/the-byte/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-bad-idea
16:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/05/05/youtube-go-is-shutting-down/ )
16:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-futurism.com | Bill Gates Says It Was a Bad Idea to Pal Around With Jeffrey Epstein
16:55 Techrights-sec; BillG won't make a comeback
16:55 Techrights-sec; people will fire back
16:55 Techrights-sec; re GulagTube Go, yes... that's the one I had in mind
16:55 Techrights-sec; GO-LAG-GO
16:55 Techrights-sec; ack
16:56 schestowitz-TR; BillG won't make a comeback
16:56 schestowitz-TR; people will fire back
16:56 schestowitz-TR; re GulagTube Go, yes... that's the one I had in mind
16:56 schestowitz-TR; GO-LAG-GO
16:56 Techrights-sec; ack
16:58 schestowitz-TR; with billg, unlike rms, he cannot claim that it was all false
16:58 schestowitz-TR; ratger, he admits that he lied
16:58 schestowitz-TR; what's more, the media keeps pulishing this, reminding people or telling peopple
16:58 schestowitz-TR; that he was close to epstein
16:58 schestowitz-TR; not all of them even know about it
16:58 schestowitz-TR; so I don't think his strategy can ever work
16:58 Techrights-sec; yes but it looks like they do that to softpedal his involvement in
16:58 Techrights-sec; Epstein's activities; There's been very little coverage of the money
16:58 Techrights-sec; part too.
16:59 schestowitz-TR; then people start searcjing the Web
16:59 schestowitz-TR; maybe part of that is just periodically googlebombing
16:59 schestowitz-TR; but again, I doubt this will work
16:59 Techrights-sec; it looks like googlebombing
16:59 schestowitz-TR; plus namecalling
17:00 Techrights-sec; they may also be trying to wear out the public's attention span
17:09 schestowitz-TR; my dad sent me 2 links about this
17:09 schestowitz-TR; two, separarelt
17:09 schestowitz-TR; he was livid
17:09 schestowitz-TR; he also says people he knew strongly dislike Gates
17:09 schestowitz-TR; it does not take an opinion poll
17:09 schestowitz-TR; that's definitely a new thing
17:10 Techrights-sec; before his long and expensive campaing for reputatino laundering he
17:10 Techrights-sec; was one of the most hated people in industry
17:14 schestowitz-TR; OK, finished daily links
17:14 schestowitz-TR; rss left, lots of stuff piling us there
17:14 schestowitz-TR; had 2+ hours of nap
17:14 schestowitz-TR; I did successfully overcompensate for thgat hdmi+crash issue
17:14 Techrights-sec; ack
17:14 schestowitz-TR; the setup here is a lot better now
17:14 schestowitz-TR; so I can say "maybe for the better..."
17:14 schestowitz-TR; I had too small a space for moving the mouse
17:14 schestowitz-TR; also, I improved the water/coffee isolation (from equipment)
17:14 schestowitz-TR; I still have 2 birthday balloons here
17:14 schestowitz-TR; if you can think of topic idea, that would help
17:14 schestowitz-TR; my goal will be to clean all feeds except patents
17:14 schestowitz-TR; adn then focus on patents tomorrow
17:18 Techrights-sec; i had some the other day but cannot recall, do you keep a list of possible
17:18 Techrights-sec; ideas?
17:21 schestowitz-TR; usually a mental list if not concrete
17:21 schestowitz-TR; if concrete I sump a link
17:21 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I yarn for ideas and then regret not writing them down
17:21 schestowitz-TR; this morning I mention to you Edge market share
17:21 schestowitz-TR; it was a remote idea of something to ADDD to something ELSE
17:21 schestowitz-TR; as a BY THE WAY
17:21 schestowitz-TR; as I do not wish to mention that BRAND
17:21 schestowitz-TR; but it might help to show that
17:21 schestowitz-TR; 4% is no majore threat
17:21 schestowitz-TR; I am still adjusting here, had extra sleep
17:21 schestowitz-TR; rianne dealt today with a client she hates
17:21 schestowitz-TR; on thurs. we'll see what best suits us
17:21 schestowitz-TR; even food discounts might be at risk
17:21 schestowitz-TR; my dad says I'm super-lucky to have such an easy job from home
17:21 schestowitz-TR; and gets upset if I tell him I might leave
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17:53 Techrights-sec; is net neutrality a relevant topic?
17:53 Techrights-sec; what about this push to deploy or pretend to deploy FIDO everywhere?
17:53 Techrights-sec; aside from the surveillance and gatekeeping factor, there is a question
17:53 Techrights-sec; (on my part) about standard-critical software patents.
17:54 schestowitz-TR; i do not know FIDO well enough
17:54 schestowitz-TR; I know what it is about
17:54 schestowitz-TR; 2FA is antoehr problem
17:55 Techrights-sec; Yes it is one aspect of 2FA but it can be deployed in a way that weakens
17:55 Techrights-sec; security or leaves it the same, likewise it can be deployed in a way that
17:55 Techrights-sec; causes problems for privacy and can introduce single point of failure risks
17:56 Techrights-sec; https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/outage-disrupts-microsoft-services/
17:56 Techrights-sec; old
17:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Outage disrupts Microsoft services - CNET
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18:22 Techrights-sec; https://www.information-age.com/microsoft-in-passport-climb-down-285266/
18:22 Techrights-sec; old
18:22 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.information-age.com | Microsoft in Passport climb down - Information Age
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19:02 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Imposing Microsoft junk on Gemini protocol? gemini://gemini.marmaladefoo.com/blog/
19:03 SomeH4x0r; congratulations, you were noticed
19:03 SomeH4x0r; a few decades pass, and you will be saying "kill Gemini"
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19:04 SomeH4x0r; any big attempts to fix the evil system will be infiltrated by their agents which you won't notice
19:04 SomeH4x0r; then these attempts will be converted to the same evil
19:05 SomeH4x0r; I have no hope
19:09 Techrights-sec; ack
19:09 Techrights-sec; which part of "Luke's Gemlog" ?
19:09 Techrights-sec; eww "SmolNetSharp ..."
19:13 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> China intends to transfer state institutions and state-owned enterprises to Linux and PCs of local manufacturers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164572#comment-33571
19:13 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | China Orders Government, State Firms to Dump Foreign PCs | Tux Machines
19:13 schestowitz-TR; one way or another, we're getting our way
19:13 schestowitz-TR; not without challenge
19:13 schestowitz-TR; but we'll get there
19:13 schestowitz-TR; and get co-opted
19:14 Techrights-sec; the good part is that the latest entry is from years ago so it looks
19:14 Techrights-sec; abandoned
19:20 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164582
19:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Small-Scale Fab: Make Parts with Free/Open Source Software | Tux Machines
19:30 Techrights-sec; ack
19:31 schestowitz-TR; ergonomics improved a lot here today, also mobility of a laptop habitually used for 'gym'
19:31 schestowitz-TR; I wish I had done that sooner
19:31 schestowitz-TR; I had a good excuse to pause and work on this
19:31 Techrights-sec; great
19:37 Techrights-sec; ergonomics are very important very quickly and bad ergonomics can
19:37 Techrights-sec; very suddenly become a severe problem and take ages to correct / repair
19:39 schestowitz-TR; getting up and back down fast is helpful
19:39 schestowitz-TR; also distance from the lamp when doing exercise
19:39 schestowitz-TR; like I said at noon, it's a never-ending optimisation problem
19:39 schestowitz-TR; in the old place I recheed near optimum but then ran out of space when
19:39 schestowitz-TR; adding another PC
19:39 schestowitz-TR; so I relocated
19:39 schestowitz-TR; now I'm next to two doors that open up to the sun
19:39 Techrights-sec; nice
19:39 Techrights-sec; though sun is hard with computer screens due to low contrast, so continual
19:39 Techrights-sec; adjustment through the day is necessary
19:40 schestowitz-TR; the sun was a bigger problem at the old place because it was direct (face, screens, or both)
19:41 Techrights-sec; ack
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19:55 schestowitz-TR; I've shut the door, but cannot record about FIDO as I think I have a weak grasp on the pertinent issue
19:55 schestowitz-TR; maybe a textual rebuttal would be better, provided pounters other than the aofrementioned ones
19:55 Techrights-sec; I wonder if the whole 2FA / FIDO / OAUTH thing has been vetted against
19:55 Techrights-sec; submarine patents
19:56 schestowitz-TR; i see posts about swpats a lot (in weekends this year) and havent not seen many of this kind, in suit,
19:56 schestowitz-TR; just some allusions to security
19:56 schestowitz-TR; but I think with FIDO it's better to focus on control rather than the patebt aspects
19:56 schestowitz-TR; cui bono?
19:58 schestowitz-TR; I thought about doing some video about the (now 2) coverage from Daniel about Debian using the
19:58 schestowitz-TR; trademark for overt censorship
19:58 schestowitz-TR; the TM person in Debian has just resigned
19:58 schestowitz-TR; (FIDO is a little outside my ballpark, we covered it before quoting a secuirty enthusiast)
19:59 Techrights-sec; yes that is very interesting too especially what they are trying to
19:59 Techrights-sec; hide through trademark enforcement
20:01 schestowitz-TR; I covered the Fedora case
20:01 schestowitz-TR; This one is similar to it
20:01 schestowitz-TR; Though I suspect the motivations are a bit different
20:01 schestowitz-TR; I'll wait and see what happens...
20:01 schestowitz-TR; "A large sum of money from Debian funds is now paying for Jonathan Cohen, a lawyer at Charles Fussell & Co LLP, to purse a
20:01 schestowitz-TR; SLAPP lawsuit and try to shut down the Debian Community News and the Uncensored Debian Planet web sites." https://fsfellows
20:01 schestowitz-TR; hip.news/charles-fussell-jonathan-cohen-debian-slapp-microsite-resignations/
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20:02 Techrights-sec; can ties or parallels be discussed, that would be a topic as well
20:02 Techrights-sec; unfortunate, I figure those uses of the trademark are valid since they
20:02 Techrights-sec; are used to talk /about/ debian and identify it.
20:04 schestowitz-TR; this is an ongoing tory (2 parts in 3 days), so i can wait, add more parts as comments in TM
20:04 schestowitz-TR; and then go through them one by one
20:04 schestowitz-TR; I will have no struggle or qualm explaining those
20:04 schestowitz-TR; as I myself had experience with SLAPP
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