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4 AM, December 5

04:04 schestowitz-TR; the current pace, how we can process the protein, it'll last maybe 6 months ;-)

04:37 Techrightssec; "Tweet not found"

04:38 schestowitz-TR; Perhaps the 'gallery' would be the easiest to move next.

04:38 schestowitz-TR; back in a few hours

04:38 schestowitz-TR; back

04:39 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m

↺ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m

04:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m )

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04:39 schestowitz-TR; I have just checked

04:39 schestowitz-TR; seems like an issue in nitter

04:40 schestowitz-TR; yes it is still there in twitter

04:41 Techrightssec; perhaps nitter is being blocked


5 AM, December 5

05:21 Techrightssec; ack

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7 AM, December 5

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9 AM, December 5

09:46 schestowitz-TR; new topics welcomed

09:46 schestowitz-TR; as I set steady pace with everything else

09:52 Techrightssec; ack

09:57 schestowitz-TR; I liked or like SN

09:57 schestowitz-TR; this is morale issue combined with tech dent, which is connected

09:57 schestowitz-TR; also, hostile comments and moderation

09:57 schestowitz-TR; I saw that killing pleroma and mastodon instance

09:57 schestowitz-TR; even joindiaspora

09:57 schestowitz-TR; managing a community so t speak (Canonical term, jono microsoft) is though

09:57 schestowitz-TR; even the supposed allies sometimes attack you

09:57 schestowitz-TR; for no good reason

09:57 schestowitz-TR; in the old days, it was your blog, maybe some comments, and pingbacks

09:57 schestowitz-TR; social control media can be a warzone

09:58 schestowitz-TR; i meant tech debt and "tough", not "though"

09:58 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I think jono is not evil, but has several people to feed, so he was pressured to sell out

09:58 schestowitz-TR; he hadn't been a sellout all along


10 AM, December 5

10:00 Techrightssec; I'm not so sure about jono, he was never good for the community not even at

10:00 Techrightssec; the beginning. Rather than being a liaison with the community he yelled at it

10:00 Techrightssec; from on high about how it was going to be and that people should like that or

10:00 Techrightssec; leave

10:01 schestowitz-TR; if you can find a passage connection the french hospital to dll or some ransom name of windows or...

10:01 schestowitz-TR; let me know

10:01 schestowitz-TR; then I can do a video, highlighting our 2020 series on windows at hospitals

10:02 schestowitz-TR; in 2020 we used a whistleblower

10:06 schestowitz-TR; it is even riskier in this profession as you might lose the right to operate, or have a licnce revoked

10:06 Techrightssec; https://www.france24.com/en/france/20221205-french-hospital-suspends-operations-after-cyber-attacks

↺ https://www.france24.com/en/france/20221205-french-hospital-suspends-operations-after-cyber-attacks

10:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | French hospital suspends operations after cyber attacks

10:09 schestowitz-TR; any direct allusion to windows/msft?

10:09 schestowitz-TR; of course jim zemlinw on't use this to promote linux

10:09 schestowitz-TR; he will say that's like kicking a puppey and linus has sexuricty issues x, y, and z

10:09 schestowitz-TR; based on microsoft, snyk etc.

10:09 schestowitz-TR; they now keep saying "supply chain"

10:09 schestowitz-TR; which is new FUD

10:10 schestowitz-TR; it basically says,

10:10 schestowitz-TR; some idiot in russia can craft malicious new version

10:10 schestowitz-TR; hence FOSS bad

10:10 schestowitz-TR; of course a mirosoft programmer could do the same

10:10 schestowitz-TR; so they just change the story

10:10 schestowitz-TR; and still no discussion about state-mandated back doors

10:10 schestowitz-TR; is THAT not a "spply chain" issue?

10:10 Techrightssec; only the ransom part, given that there are not in practice ransomware incidents

10:10 Techrightssec; affecting non-Windows systems.

10:10 Techrightssec; Of course.

10:10 Techrightssec; And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.

10:11 Techrightssec; The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?

10:12 schestowitz-TR; iirc, the italian army also... turkey... not sure about germany's

10:12 Techrightssec; https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

↺ https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

10:12 Techrightssec; https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber-incident-a-20591

↺ https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber-incident-a-20591

10:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.insurancejournal.com | Cyber Attackers Cripple IT Systems of Prominent Indian Hospital

10:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Brooklyn Hospitals Decried for Silence on Cyber Incident

10:15 schestowitz; And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.

10:15 schestowitz; old: https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe

↺ https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe

10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe )

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10:15 schestowitz; r-attack-as-hackers-lower-ransom-demand

10:15 schestowitz; The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?

10:15 schestowitz; https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

↺ https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm

10:15 schestowitz; https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber

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10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber )

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10:15 schestowitz; -incident-a-20591

10:15 schestowitz; microsofters have been covering up and denying the existence of their

10:15 schestowitz; catastrophic breaches

10:15 schestowitz; for decades already.

10:20 schestowitz; they cover up the full extend of the issue

10:20 schestowitz; i volunteered for mri scan ages ago in a local hospital

10:20 schestowitz; for a korean colleague's research

10:20 schestowitz; had to come again another day as windows or something had severe issues

10:20 schestowitz; and there was something else I forgot to say

10:20 schestowitz; it was something about covering up

10:20 schestowitz; but my machine froze

10:26 schestowitz; ah, ok, I REMEMBER NOW :-)

10:26 schestowitz; I was gonng ask, did you watch the latest video from John?

10:26 schestowitz; I pasttd a link

10:26 schestowitz; there is new research in germany that can help explain those excess deaths

10:26 schestowitz; but seems like there's a "hea;lth" cover-up of sorts

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10:26 schestowitz; no questions allowed

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10:30 schestowitz; brb, say nothing

10:30 schestowitz; must reboot

10:31 schestowitz; "

10:31 schestowitz; https://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/ransomware-victims-avoid-calling-ransomware-i-5191

↺ https://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/ransomware-victims-avoid-calling-ransomware-i-5191

10:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.govinfosecurity.com | Why Ransomware Victims Avoid Calling It 'Ransomware'

10:31 schestowitz; no, I generally don't watch his videos

10:31 schestowitz; I tend to focus on finding a narrow range of tech oriented ones as it's just

10:31 schestowitz; too slow a means of information transfer. Younger people might go for that

10:31 schestowitz; since they can't read easily.

10:31 schestowitz; (generally)

10:31 schestowitz; https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hackers-cripple-prestigious-indian-hospital-105917138.html

↺ https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hackers-cripple-prestigious-indian-hospital-105917138.html

10:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | Hackers Cripple Prestigious Indian Hospitals IT Systems

10:31 schestowitz; "

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10:51 schestowitz-TR; mchine needed a reboot

10:51 schestowitz-TR; not the main box

10:51 schestowitz-TR; it's "cecil"

10:51 libertybox__; ?

10:52 *libertybox__ is now known as techrightssec2

10:52 techrightssec2; ack


11 AM, December 5

11:03 schestowitz-TR; that works with techrighs

11:03 schestowitz-TR; but its reach/audience isn't the same as "mainstream"

11:04 techrightssec2; Look at the mainstream articles from 20+ years ago. Newyork Times, Wired, PCMagazine, and so on would all be ban

11:04 techrightssec2; ned from "Reddddit" for "bashing" poor widdle

11:04 techrightssec2; microsoft

11:04 techrightssec2; if those same articles were to be posted in 2022.

11:05 *Now talking on #boycottnovell

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11:06 schestowitz-TR; you know what?

11:06 schestowitz-TR; if you come to think about it,

11:06 schestowitz-TR; when did you last wake up expecting that CNN or NYTime or... ANYTHING

11:07 schestowitz-TR; would cover some gnu/linux story?

11:07 schestowitz-TR; now the BS they push is clickbait and trump saying something "constitution"

11:07 schestowitz-TR; they narrowed down the scope to ways to divide the populace

11:07 schestowitz-TR; which I guess is very much needed by the ruling class atm

11:11 techrightssec2;

11:11 techrightssec2; Honestly? I would have to say just over 20 years ago.

11:11 techrightssec2; NPR used to have a technology policy magazine called the Todd Mundt show

11:11 techrightssec2; Wired used to cover technology policy as well. Bill passed a lot of money to

11:11 techrightssec2; NPR and PBS to ensure that stopped in general and all things tech-related

11:11 techrightssec2; are not given *any* scrutiny.

11:11 techrightssec2; On a tangent to that, you saw the recent EFF statement on patent trolls aka

11:11 techrightssec2; non-practicing entities. That at least one person at the EFF is returning

11:11 techrightssec2; to the topic even peripherally is a bit of hope for the otherwise defunct

11:11 techrightssec2; organization. Pieter had always advocated for abandoning and replacing

11:11 techrightssec2; such institutions but if the problem is not corruption then the EFF /might/

11:11 techrightssec2; still be salvageable.

11:11 techrightssec2; Yes there are many ways to have the 99% fight each other, race is a main one

11:11 techrightssec2; and has been whipped up to a frenzied state in recent years.

11:13 *libertybox is now known as schestowitz-tr3

11:15 mjg59_; An interesting question is what race the people talking about race being a whipped up topic in recent years are

11:19 schestowitz-TR; i think you are missing the point

11:19 schestowitz-TR; so I will bite

11:19 schestowitz-TR; there are several struggles

11:19 schestowitz-TR; most of them shares across races

11:20 schestowitz-TR; but then there's the "colour" angle

11:20 schestowitz-TR; the pro- and anti-police

11:20 schestowitz-TR; but the mainstream media evades sufficient discussion about class

11:20 schestowitz-TR; the last thing they want is people united in the streets marching to bevery hills

11:20 schestowitz-TR; *ly

11:24 mjg59_; How many non-white people are making that argument?

11:25 mjg59_; I've heard the argument that discussion of race is a distraction from discussion of "class" a lot

11:25 mjg59_; But everyone I've heard that argument from is white

11:28 schestowitz-TR; you prove my point

11:29 schestowitz-TR; by dividing it based on race

11:29 schestowitz-TR; many do the same

11:29 schestowitz-TR; "only blacks..."

11:29 schestowitz-TR; "only whites..."

11:29 schestowitz-TR; "it's usually the irish"

11:29 schestowitz-TR; "muslims are, arabs are, jew are."

11:30 mjg59_; If an argument is real, should it not be expressed by every race that's affected by it?

11:30 schestowitz-TR; all are affetcted by it

11:30 schestowitz-TR; myself included

11:30 mjg59_; So where are those arguments?

11:31 schestowitz-TR; links I post

11:31 schestowitz-TR; lots of class issues

11:31 mjg59_; Where are the Black people talking about how the problem is classism, not racism?

11:32 schestowitz-TR; both are issues

11:33 mjg59_; I agree that both are issues

11:33 mjg59_; But which is more important?

11:33 mjg59_; Which contributes more to the problems we have?

11:35 schestowitz-TR; look at why daemonfc dislikes you

11:35 mjg59_; That's not really an answer

11:35 schestowitz-TR; he sees you as someone who talks down issues like his

11:36 schestowitz-TR; and instead work for corporations that contribute to the problem

11:36 mjg59_; You're not answering the question here

11:36 schestowitz-TR; the number one issue is deatha nd hunnger

11:36 schestowitz-TR; those are connected to climate and other aspects

11:36 schestowitz-TR; equality would increase access to food and health

11:37 schestowitz-TR; and the aspect of it that is racism is not big

11:37 schestowitz-TR; tribalism etc.

11:37 schestowitz-TR; natural resources get hoarded

11:37 schestowitz-TR; that's a class issue

11:37 mjg59_; What's your evidence for the aspect of it that is racism not being big?

11:38 schestowitz-TR; relatively smaller

11:38 mjg59_; Evidence

11:38 schestowitz-TR; that's like saying transphobia is the main issue

11:38 schestowitz-TR; when very few trans people exist

11:38 mjg59_; Where's the evidence

11:38 schestowitz-TR; but almost all suffer from poverty

11:38 schestowitz-TR; on a global scale

11:38 schestowitz-TR; not local

11:38 mjg59_; You say that racism is not big, but you provide no evidence

11:38 schestowitz-TR; by our standards, maybe 3 quarters of the world are poor

11:39 mjg59_; Roy please provide the evidence for your claim

11:39 schestowitz-TR; racism is about genetics

11:39 schestowitz-TR; you hav a phd in the area

11:39 schestowitz-TR; all people vary genetically

11:39 schestowitz-TR; it's a distraction

11:39 schestowitz-TR; in africa people area racist\

11:39 mjg59_; Yeah I'm aware that racism is a social construct rather than a genetic one

11:39 schestowitz-TR; in india people area racist\

11:39 schestowitz-TR; in chinapeople area racist\

11:39 mjg59_; So please provide the evidence that racism is not an issue here

11:39 schestowitz-TR; china had to pass laws to curb that

11:39 schestowitz-TR; racism is often poor people making excuses

11:40 mjg59_; You seem to be saying that racism matters despite previously saying it wasn't important

11:40 schestowitz-TR; to get back resources they need

11:40 schestowitz-TR; because they cannot co-exist when they cannot get hear and eat

11:40 schestowitz-TR; so they compete

11:40 schestowitz-TR; and join people who loom alike

11:40 schestowitz-TR; kinship

11:40 schestowitz-TR; *look

11:40 mjg59_; Still not seeing evidence

11:40 schestowitz-TR; if people get better live, they don't get as racist

11:40 schestowitz-TR; *lives

11:41 mjg59_; Provide the evidence for that

11:41 schestowitz-TR; poorer societies resort to ethnic clashes

11:41 schestowitz-TR; like in rwanda

11:41 mjg59_; The US is not poor, and yet racism happens

11:41 schestowitz-TR; it's common knowledge

11:41 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, I have other things to do

11:41 mjg59_; So point at the evidence

11:41 schestowitz-TR; US has a lot of poverty

11:41 mjg59_; It does! So does everywhere!

11:41 schestowitz-TR; many rich people, many very rich people

11:42 mjg59_; Singapore is very rich on average, but has a lot of racism

11:42 schestowitz-TR; singapore is pore (poor)

11:42 schestowitz-TR; many rich people

11:42 mjg59_; If the imporant thing were economic disparity, we should see that countries with less economic disparity had less racism

11:42 schestowitz-TR; banksters

11:42 schestowitz-TR; and many living in terrible condition

11:43 schestowitz-TR; like paying rnt for a mere room

11:43 mjg59_; So which countries with less economic disparity have less racism?

11:43 mjg59_; Easy question

11:43 mjg59_; What is the least racist country

11:43 schestowitz-TR; denmark

11:43 mjg59_; Ha ha no

11:43 schestowitz-TR; not answering the second

11:43 schestowitz-TR; but the earlir line in IRC

11:43 schestowitz-TR; denmark is having issues with islam

11:43 schestowitz-TR; but that's a relatively new one

11:43 schestowitz-TR; sweden also

11:44 schestowitz-TR; historically they were welcoming

11:44 mjg59_; What does Islam have to do with economics?

11:45 schestowitz-TR; you mentioned racism

11:45 schestowitz-TR; denmark = rich country

11:45 mjg59_; Racist rich country

11:46 mjg59_; To the extent that the Council of Europe issued a report criticising their racism

11:47 mjg59_; So how is that an economic problem

11:47 mjg59_; Rather than a racist one

11:47 schestowitz-TR; islam is not a race

11:47 mjg59_; Hey

11:47 mjg59_; Look

11:47 schestowitz-TR; it is perceived to be a problem there for other reasons

11:47 schestowitz-TR; like lack of integration

11:47 mjg59_; Islamophobia is a proxy for anti-Arab racism

11:47 schestowitz-TR; if poles come over to denmark and contribute to the "norms", danes would be cool with it

11:48 schestowitz-TR; Brits maybe not as much

11:48 mjg59_; In the same way that the Northern Irish conflict isn't about religion

11:48 schestowitz-TR; esp. as now there is more competition with Pole

11:48 schestowitz-TR; *Poles

11:48 mjg59_; Danish Islamophobia isn't about religion

11:48 schestowitz-TR; and people rushed to blame "EU"

11:48 schestowitz-TR; then voted brexit

11:49 schestowitz-TR; Arab Christians have historically integrated better

11:49 schestowitz-TR; no matter the race

11:49 schestowitz-TR; the religion does not make it taboo for them to assimilate or integrate

11:49 schestowitz-TR; techrightssec2:

11:49 schestowitz-TR; truthout is still iging blank titles

11:49 schestowitz-TR; for now I grab them manually and add them in

11:49 schestowitz-TR; but maybe a little perl tweak can cope with their latest change

11:50 mjg59_; What prevents Denmark from assimilating Muslim immigrants?

11:50 techrightssec2; yuomypo

11:50 techrightssec2; can you show a URL from Truthout which is not reading the title correctly?

11:50 techrightssec2; The feed I have and the script I have seem to be getting the titles here.

11:50 techrightssec2; I see the problme over on tr-new. Checking

11:50 techrightssec2; Fixed

11:50 techrightssec2; Should be ok in tomorrow's batch

11:50 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: not justifying them or anything... but

11:51 schestowitz-TR; from what I can gather, they do try

11:51 schestowitz-TR; but are met with reluctance

11:51 schestowitz-TR; indians have historically assimilated better

11:51 schestowitz-TR; hindus

11:52 schestowitz-TR; their religion does not embolden them to keep the others at bay

11:52 schestowitz-TR; so you can envision indians speaking danish and acting like the local

11:53 mjg59_; Framing Indians as Hindus is already pretty fucked up

11:53 schestowitz-TR; check their %

11:53 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia says 80%

11:53 mjg59_; It's a meaningful percentage but describing a population that way is incorrect

11:54 schestowitz-TR; 0.2% unaffiliated

11:54 schestowitz-TR; as in nonreligious

11:54 mjg59_; It's like saying Irish people are Catholic

11:54 schestowitz-TR; my image of Danes is not positive

11:54 schestowitz-TR; based on ones I met

11:54 schestowitz-TR; or dated

11:55 schestowitz-TR; they can be quite conceited

11:55 mjg59_; There's a large Muslim population in India and they've been subject to a lot of violence

11:55 schestowitz-TR; but that's not the same as racism

11:56 mjg59_; That's conextual


noon, December 5

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1 PM, December 5

13:32 schestowitz-TR; GREAT NEWS

13:32 schestowitz-TR; UPC DELAYED

13:32 schestowitz-TR; AGAIN!

13:32 schestowitz-TR; \

13:33 techrightssec2; Is there a formal statement? Ideally the announcement should be accompmanied

13:33 techrightssec2; by the acknowledgement that the UPC is and will remain quite dead and

13:33 techrightssec2; revibval should not be attempted yet again.

13:33 schestowitz-TR; \

13:33 schestowitz-TR; it's like the US bills

13:33 schestowitz-TR; they keep coming back

13:33 schestowitz-TR; never "officially" dying

13:35 schestowitz-TR; remember STRONGER Patent Act?

13:35 schestowitz-TR; been attempted for 5 years

13:35 schestowitz-TR; afaik, no headway

13:35 schestowitz-TR; tons spet on "lobbying'

13:35 techrightssec2; ack

13:37 schestowitz-TR; regarding latest upc scandal

13:37 schestowitz-TR; in gemini stats I noticed many people still access these month-old posts

13:37 schestowitz-TR; I hope that played a role

13:37 schestowitz-TR; but don't know the details yet

13:37 schestowitz-TR; it's verbal

13:37 schestowitz-TR; also, the journalists I spoke to write stuff

13:37 schestowitz-TR; that I've not seen

13:39 techrightssec2; I hope that the Gemini material has been useful and influential.

13:39 techrightssec2; Will the journalists forward their drafts prior to publishing or at least

13:39 techrightssec2; after publishing?

13:39 schestowitz-TR; i did not ask for that

13:47 techrightssec2; With newspapers at least it is common, especially if being quoted, for one

13:47 techrightssec2; to ask to review the draft for accuracy prior to publishing.

13:48 schestowitz-TR; you are thinking of the golden era of journalism

13:48 schestowitz-TR; without very tight deadline and budget

13:52 schestowitz-TR; i am writing about upc atm

13:53 techrightssec2; No, they had very tight deadlines but it was still customary to ask for that

13:53 techrightssec2; but they won't do it unless you do ask. Though I have to say that if one

13:53 techrightssec2; is publishing an article one was asked to write it would be a dick move to

13:53 techrightssec2; not even show a galley proof first. But that's not the case here.

13:53 techrightssec2; The deadlines in the old days may have even been shorter, it's just that there

13:53 techrightssec2; was a delay.

13:53 techrightssec2; ack

13:56 schestowitz; > We should find one member state (my exprience is that it is way easier

13:56 schestowitz; > to lobby politiciens/governments at home, for ex Belgium is a small

13:56 schestowitz; > country) to file a complaint based on tfeu259 andviolation of teu19.1

13:56 schestowitz; > (national courts are guardians of EU Law) and tfeu267 (deprive national

13:56 schestowitz; > courts from interprtent EU Law).

13:56 schestowitz; >

13:56 schestowitz; > Poland and Hungary are the obvious candidates on the list, as Czech

13:56 schestowitz; > Republic (pirates in gov).

13:56 schestowitz; >

13:56 schestowitz; > Now our famous polish hacker Jan Macek moved to Philippines...

13:56 schestowitz; >

13:56 schestowitz; > It is just a matter of informing them i believe, especually if you

13:56 schestowitz; > expose the German Const Court denial of escalating EU Law problems to

13:56 schestowitz; > the CJEU.

13:58 schestowitz; Just for IRC for now... don't want to give the legal strategy ahead of time. "Thanks, I plan to follow up the above. Do anything you can on your side."

13:58 schestowitz; There is a lot of coordination behind the scenes, but we live far apart.


2 PM, December 5

14:01 schestowitz; It would help to point to some official EU documentation to that effect. Have you a URL showing the details from the earlier mail?

14:01 schestowitz; 1a) it strictly requires the UK signing (but it cannot because it left the EU)

14:01 schestowitz; 1b) it causes various constitutional issues, some of which confirmed by courts already

14:01 schestowitz; 1c) there was no legitimate economic analysis; it was fabricated a long time ago and those who perpetrated this fraud even said they refuse to allow

14:01 schestowitz; >>> Which one or two constitutional issues are more problematic? The

14:01 schestowitz; >>> European Parliament has a committee dedicated specifically to

14:01 schestowitz; >>> constitutional matters so this might be relevant to bring to them.

14:01 schestowitz; >>

14:01 schestowitz; >> Hungary took this to court. It was ruled unconstitutional.

14:01 schestowitz; > Can you forward the link, in English, to that court decision?

14:01 schestowitz; I am going to research all the original links (maybe not English) fro the next part.

14:01 schestowitz; Patrick might even ask for some links of that kind (I'm waiting).

14:01 schestowitz; to make a quick response to Patrick later will help a lot.

14:04 schestowitz; [09:47] <schestowitz-TR2> (you should contact your mep, I will contact breyer as a german)

14:04 schestowitz; "I am writing to you as a longtime observer of the UPC and also as a German citizen (albeit residing in the UK)."

14:07 schestowitz; ------------

14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,

14:07 schestowitz; > thanks for your trust. Since I am short on time, is there something you think I can do to follow up?

14:07 schestowitz; > Best regards

14:07 schestowitz; Hi,

14:07 schestowitz; Thanks for getting back to me.

14:07 schestowitz; There is no urgency, but estimates say Germany might officially ratify in December or even November.

14:07 schestowitz; Do you want me to share some links on this matter? I understand you're short on time.

14:07 schestowitz; Regards,

14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,

14:07 schestowitz; > as I said I would need a suggestion on how to proceed.

14:07 schestowitz; > Best regards

14:07 schestowitz; > xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

14:07 schestowitz; I suggest submitting another question to the Commission. This one about:

14:07 schestowitz; "how come you allow the announcement of an EU court staff for a court that neither exists nor can legally and constitutionally exist?"

14:07 schestowitz; He (probably Breton, Battistelli's close friend) will run away from your question like he did the last time.

14:07 schestowitz; (There are other questions, but I don't want to over-encumber anyone)

14:07 schestowitz; Regards,

14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,

14:08 schestowitz; > I'm also afraid the reply would be useless, so I'll spare myself the bother. Hope you understand.

14:08 schestowitz; > Best regards

14:08 schestowitz; Yes, I understand entirely.

14:08 schestowitz; Thanks for what you've done so far.

14:08 schestowitz; Potentially of interest, last night: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

↺ http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/

14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog

14:08 schestowitz; Regards,

14:09 schestowitz; Old:

14:09 schestowitz; I found a gem, in 2011 someone predicted the CJEU 2018 removal of intra-EU investment courts (ISDS) after opinion 1/09.

14:09 schestowitz; If you follow UPC news, they just adopted the RoP in their little secret meetings.

14:09 schestowitz; Germany should ratify in October.

14:09 schestowitz; I am checking whether we could file a second complaint before the deadline of 1y after publication, which is 12 August.

14:09 schestowitz; And sue Germany to CJEU if they don't want to deal with the issue, which they already said they only do if there are problems with fundamental rights and EU Law.

14:14 schestowitz; >> Someone suggested to find a country to file a complaint other

14:14 schestowitz; > countries

14:14 schestowitz; >> based on the violation of the treaties.

14:14 schestowitz; >>

14:14 schestowitz; >> The problem is that we saw the 'common court' lie only now, there

14:14 schestowitz; > was a

14:14 schestowitz; >> window of 2 months to attack it in 2015.

14:14 schestowitz; >>

14:14 schestowitz; >> I am not sure a country can still challenge it outsider of that

14:14 schestowitz; > window.

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; > Seems like that gives us more time to come up with something?

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; > All the countries that did not ratify are an obvious candidate.

14:14 schestowitz; > Poland does not like Germany, which is driving this project.

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; > The problem is that a country could not easily accuse the others of

14:14 schestowitz; > violating EU law, since EU law (Brussels1 regulation falsely saying

14:14 schestowitz; > it is a common court) is in force since 2015.

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; > At least we have to try and ask and have a debate (even here in

14:14 schestowitz; > Belgium which used many times the 218tfeu to ask the CJEU on

14:14 schestowitz; > compatibility of international treaties with the EU treaties, such as

14:14 schestowitz; > CETA or EnergyCharter).

14:14 schestowitz; >

14:14 schestowitz; > At the end of the day, we need to convince one gov, and Poland is an

14:14 schestowitz; > obvious one, since Karlsruhe blocked a question about TEU19, which

14:15 schestowitz; > is the article Poland is being sued on.

14:15 schestowitz; Let us know how Techrights can help such an outcome.

14:15 schestowitz; I've not been keeping track of UPC lately, we focus a lot on other important topic and do development work.

14:15 schestowitz; Keep fighting, even if it's tiring.

14:15 schestowitz; > One way is to try to cancel the Brussels1 regulation, which wrongly says the UPC is a common court.

14:15 schestowitz; > The question is whether we could go to a national court, and ask them to escalate to CJEU, or do we have to wait that UPC is running.

14:15 schestowitz-TR; using irc logs to share some more ingo

14:15 schestowitz-TR; *info

14:15 schestowitz-TR; not secret

14:15 schestowitz-TR; but not to be shows to team upc at this point

14:15 schestowitz-TR; as it can help them against the strategy

14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > If you have time, i asked David Martin (who predicted the 2008 crash at

14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > eupaco in 2007) where he said that Germany is Always protecting the EPO,

14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > he said there is a record in 2003 with the danish prsidency. I asked

14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > him for a link, still no reply.

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > I suspect Karlsruhe to also protect the patent system, that's why their

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > decisions are 'political'.

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > Now it's pretty clear Karlsruhe found an excuse not to escalate to CJEU,

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > because the lobby behind controls the ministry of justice and want the

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > UPC desperately into force.

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > We have received other troubling news, that i cannot share for the

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > moment with you, but December is gonna be critical.

14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> OK, so the help you need is more coverage of UPC?

14:23 techrightssec2; Then why is it in IRC :/

14:24 schestowitz-TR; inner circle

14:24 schestowitz-TR; but not broad daylight

14:24 schestowitz-TR; added a draft just now

14:24 schestowitz-TR; re upc

14:24 schestowitz-TR; does not give away strategy


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