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04:04 schestowitz-TR; the current pace, how we can process the protein, it'll last maybe 6 months ;-)
04:37 Techrightssec; "Tweet not found"
04:38 schestowitz-TR; Perhaps the 'gallery' would be the easiest to move next.
04:38 schestowitz-TR; back in a few hours
04:38 schestowitz-TR; back
04:39 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m
04:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://nitter.pussthecat.org/palmiro_denoni/status/1599602257116663808#m )
04:39 schestowitz-TR; I have just checked
04:39 schestowitz-TR; seems like an issue in nitter
04:40 schestowitz-TR; yes it is still there in twitter
04:41 Techrightssec; perhaps nitter is being blocked
05:21 Techrightssec; ack
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09:46 schestowitz-TR; new topics welcomed
09:46 schestowitz-TR; as I set steady pace with everything else
09:52 Techrightssec; ack
09:57 schestowitz-TR; I liked or like SN
09:57 schestowitz-TR; this is morale issue combined with tech dent, which is connected
09:57 schestowitz-TR; also, hostile comments and moderation
09:57 schestowitz-TR; I saw that killing pleroma and mastodon instance
09:57 schestowitz-TR; even joindiaspora
09:57 schestowitz-TR; managing a community so t speak (Canonical term, jono microsoft) is though
09:57 schestowitz-TR; even the supposed allies sometimes attack you
09:57 schestowitz-TR; for no good reason
09:57 schestowitz-TR; in the old days, it was your blog, maybe some comments, and pingbacks
09:57 schestowitz-TR; social control media can be a warzone
09:58 schestowitz-TR; i meant tech debt and "tough", not "though"
09:58 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I think jono is not evil, but has several people to feed, so he was pressured to sell out
09:58 schestowitz-TR; he hadn't been a sellout all along
10:00 Techrightssec; I'm not so sure about jono, he was never good for the community not even at
10:00 Techrightssec; the beginning. Rather than being a liaison with the community he yelled at it
10:00 Techrightssec; from on high about how it was going to be and that people should like that or
10:00 Techrightssec; leave
10:01 schestowitz-TR; if you can find a passage connection the french hospital to dll or some ransom name of windows or...
10:01 schestowitz-TR; let me know
10:01 schestowitz-TR; then I can do a video, highlighting our 2020 series on windows at hospitals
10:02 schestowitz-TR; in 2020 we used a whistleblower
10:06 schestowitz-TR; it is even riskier in this profession as you might lose the right to operate, or have a licnce revoked
10:06 Techrightssec; https://www.france24.com/en/france/20221205-french-hospital-suspends-operations-after-cyber-attacks
10:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | French hospital suspends operations after cyber attacks
10:09 schestowitz-TR; any direct allusion to windows/msft?
10:09 schestowitz-TR; of course jim zemlinw on't use this to promote linux
10:09 schestowitz-TR; he will say that's like kicking a puppey and linus has sexuricty issues x, y, and z
10:09 schestowitz-TR; based on microsoft, snyk etc.
10:09 schestowitz-TR; they now keep saying "supply chain"
10:09 schestowitz-TR; which is new FUD
10:10 schestowitz-TR; it basically says,
10:10 schestowitz-TR; some idiot in russia can craft malicious new version
10:10 schestowitz-TR; hence FOSS bad
10:10 schestowitz-TR; of course a mirosoft programmer could do the same
10:10 schestowitz-TR; so they just change the story
10:10 schestowitz-TR; and still no discussion about state-mandated back doors
10:10 schestowitz-TR; is THAT not a "spply chain" issue?
10:10 Techrightssec; only the ransom part, given that there are not in practice ransomware incidents
10:10 Techrightssec; affecting non-Windows systems.
10:10 Techrightssec; Of course.
10:10 Techrightssec; And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.
10:11 Techrightssec; The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?
10:12 schestowitz-TR; iirc, the italian army also... turkey... not sure about germany's
10:12 Techrightssec; https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm
10:12 Techrightssec; https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber-incident-a-20591
10:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.insurancejournal.com | Cyber Attackers Cripple IT Systems of Prominent Indian Hospital
10:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bankinfosecurity.com | Brooklyn Hospitals Decried for Silence on Cyber Incident
10:15 schestowitz; And they will spin it as a "computer" issue, too.
10:15 schestowitz; old: https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe
10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20220902-paralysed-french-hospital-fights-cybe )
10:15 schestowitz; r-attack-as-hackers-lower-ransom-demand
10:15 schestowitz; The Gendarmerie succcessfully dropped M$ completely didn't it some years ago?
10:15 schestowitz; https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/international/2022/11/30/696922.htm
10:15 schestowitz; https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber
10:15 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/brooklyn-hospitals-decried-for-silence-on-cyber )
10:15 schestowitz; -incident-a-20591
10:15 schestowitz; microsofters have been covering up and denying the existence of their
10:15 schestowitz; catastrophic breaches
10:15 schestowitz; for decades already.
10:20 schestowitz; they cover up the full extend of the issue
10:20 schestowitz; i volunteered for mri scan ages ago in a local hospital
10:20 schestowitz; for a korean colleague's research
10:20 schestowitz; had to come again another day as windows or something had severe issues
10:20 schestowitz; and there was something else I forgot to say
10:20 schestowitz; it was something about covering up
10:20 schestowitz; but my machine froze
10:26 schestowitz; ah, ok, I REMEMBER NOW :-)
10:26 schestowitz; I was gonng ask, did you watch the latest video from John?
10:26 schestowitz; I pasttd a link
10:26 schestowitz; there is new research in germany that can help explain those excess deaths
10:26 schestowitz; but seems like there's a "hea;lth" cover-up of sorts
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10:26 schestowitz; no questions allowed
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10:30 schestowitz; brb, say nothing
10:30 schestowitz; must reboot
10:31 schestowitz; "
10:31 schestowitz; https://www.govinfosecurity.com/interviews/ransomware-victims-avoid-calling-ransomware-i-5191
10:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.govinfosecurity.com | Why Ransomware Victims Avoid Calling It 'Ransomware'
10:31 schestowitz; no, I generally don't watch his videos
10:31 schestowitz; I tend to focus on finding a narrow range of tech oriented ones as it's just
10:31 schestowitz; too slow a means of information transfer. Younger people might go for that
10:31 schestowitz; since they can't read easily.
10:31 schestowitz; (generally)
10:31 schestowitz; https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hackers-cripple-prestigious-indian-hospital-105917138.html
10:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-finance.yahoo.com | Hackers Cripple Prestigious Indian Hospitals IT Systems
10:31 schestowitz; "
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10:51 schestowitz-TR; mchine needed a reboot
10:51 schestowitz-TR; not the main box
10:51 schestowitz-TR; it's "cecil"
10:51 libertybox__; ?
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10:52 techrightssec2; ack
11:03 schestowitz-TR; that works with techrighs
11:03 schestowitz-TR; but its reach/audience isn't the same as "mainstream"
11:04 techrightssec2; Look at the mainstream articles from 20+ years ago. Newyork Times, Wired, PCMagazine, and so on would all be ban
11:04 techrightssec2; ned from "Reddddit" for "bashing" poor widdle
11:04 techrightssec2; microsoft
11:04 techrightssec2; if those same articles were to be posted in 2022.
11:05 *Now talking on #boycottnovell
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11:06 schestowitz-TR; you know what?
11:06 schestowitz-TR; if you come to think about it,
11:06 schestowitz-TR; when did you last wake up expecting that CNN or NYTime or... ANYTHING
11:07 schestowitz-TR; would cover some gnu/linux story?
11:07 schestowitz-TR; now the BS they push is clickbait and trump saying something "constitution"
11:07 schestowitz-TR; they narrowed down the scope to ways to divide the populace
11:07 schestowitz-TR; which I guess is very much needed by the ruling class atm
11:11 techrightssec2;
11:11 techrightssec2; Honestly? I would have to say just over 20 years ago.
11:11 techrightssec2; NPR used to have a technology policy magazine called the Todd Mundt show
11:11 techrightssec2; Wired used to cover technology policy as well. Bill passed a lot of money to
11:11 techrightssec2; NPR and PBS to ensure that stopped in general and all things tech-related
11:11 techrightssec2; are not given *any* scrutiny.
11:11 techrightssec2; On a tangent to that, you saw the recent EFF statement on patent trolls aka
11:11 techrightssec2; non-practicing entities. That at least one person at the EFF is returning
11:11 techrightssec2; to the topic even peripherally is a bit of hope for the otherwise defunct
11:11 techrightssec2; organization. Pieter had always advocated for abandoning and replacing
11:11 techrightssec2; such institutions but if the problem is not corruption then the EFF /might/
11:11 techrightssec2; still be salvageable.
11:11 techrightssec2; Yes there are many ways to have the 99% fight each other, race is a main one
11:11 techrightssec2; and has been whipped up to a frenzied state in recent years.
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11:15 mjg59_; An interesting question is what race the people talking about race being a whipped up topic in recent years are
11:19 schestowitz-TR; i think you are missing the point
11:19 schestowitz-TR; so I will bite
11:19 schestowitz-TR; there are several struggles
11:19 schestowitz-TR; most of them shares across races
11:20 schestowitz-TR; but then there's the "colour" angle
11:20 schestowitz-TR; the pro- and anti-police
11:20 schestowitz-TR; but the mainstream media evades sufficient discussion about class
11:20 schestowitz-TR; the last thing they want is people united in the streets marching to bevery hills
11:20 schestowitz-TR; *ly
11:24 mjg59_; How many non-white people are making that argument?
11:25 mjg59_; I've heard the argument that discussion of race is a distraction from discussion of "class" a lot
11:25 mjg59_; But everyone I've heard that argument from is white
11:28 schestowitz-TR; you prove my point
11:29 schestowitz-TR; by dividing it based on race
11:29 schestowitz-TR; many do the same
11:29 schestowitz-TR; "only blacks..."
11:29 schestowitz-TR; "only whites..."
11:29 schestowitz-TR; "it's usually the irish"
11:29 schestowitz-TR; "muslims are, arabs are, jew are."
11:30 mjg59_; If an argument is real, should it not be expressed by every race that's affected by it?
11:30 schestowitz-TR; all are affetcted by it
11:30 schestowitz-TR; myself included
11:30 mjg59_; So where are those arguments?
11:31 schestowitz-TR; links I post
11:31 schestowitz-TR; lots of class issues
11:31 mjg59_; Where are the Black people talking about how the problem is classism, not racism?
11:32 schestowitz-TR; both are issues
11:33 mjg59_; I agree that both are issues
11:33 mjg59_; But which is more important?
11:33 mjg59_; Which contributes more to the problems we have?
11:35 schestowitz-TR; look at why daemonfc dislikes you
11:35 mjg59_; That's not really an answer
11:35 schestowitz-TR; he sees you as someone who talks down issues like his
11:36 schestowitz-TR; and instead work for corporations that contribute to the problem
11:36 mjg59_; You're not answering the question here
11:36 schestowitz-TR; the number one issue is deatha nd hunnger
11:36 schestowitz-TR; those are connected to climate and other aspects
11:36 schestowitz-TR; equality would increase access to food and health
11:37 schestowitz-TR; and the aspect of it that is racism is not big
11:37 schestowitz-TR; tribalism etc.
11:37 schestowitz-TR; natural resources get hoarded
11:37 schestowitz-TR; that's a class issue
11:37 mjg59_; What's your evidence for the aspect of it that is racism not being big?
11:38 schestowitz-TR; relatively smaller
11:38 mjg59_; Evidence
11:38 schestowitz-TR; that's like saying transphobia is the main issue
11:38 schestowitz-TR; when very few trans people exist
11:38 mjg59_; Where's the evidence
11:38 schestowitz-TR; but almost all suffer from poverty
11:38 schestowitz-TR; on a global scale
11:38 schestowitz-TR; not local
11:38 mjg59_; You say that racism is not big, but you provide no evidence
11:38 schestowitz-TR; by our standards, maybe 3 quarters of the world are poor
11:39 mjg59_; Roy please provide the evidence for your claim
11:39 schestowitz-TR; racism is about genetics
11:39 schestowitz-TR; you hav a phd in the area
11:39 schestowitz-TR; all people vary genetically
11:39 schestowitz-TR; it's a distraction
11:39 schestowitz-TR; in africa people area racist\
11:39 mjg59_; Yeah I'm aware that racism is a social construct rather than a genetic one
11:39 schestowitz-TR; in india people area racist\
11:39 schestowitz-TR; in chinapeople area racist\
11:39 mjg59_; So please provide the evidence that racism is not an issue here
11:39 schestowitz-TR; china had to pass laws to curb that
11:39 schestowitz-TR; racism is often poor people making excuses
11:40 mjg59_; You seem to be saying that racism matters despite previously saying it wasn't important
11:40 schestowitz-TR; to get back resources they need
11:40 schestowitz-TR; because they cannot co-exist when they cannot get hear and eat
11:40 schestowitz-TR; so they compete
11:40 schestowitz-TR; and join people who loom alike
11:40 schestowitz-TR; kinship
11:40 schestowitz-TR; *look
11:40 mjg59_; Still not seeing evidence
11:40 schestowitz-TR; if people get better live, they don't get as racist
11:40 schestowitz-TR; *lives
11:41 mjg59_; Provide the evidence for that
11:41 schestowitz-TR; poorer societies resort to ethnic clashes
11:41 schestowitz-TR; like in rwanda
11:41 mjg59_; The US is not poor, and yet racism happens
11:41 schestowitz-TR; it's common knowledge
11:41 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, I have other things to do
11:41 mjg59_; So point at the evidence
11:41 schestowitz-TR; US has a lot of poverty
11:41 mjg59_; It does! So does everywhere!
11:41 schestowitz-TR; many rich people, many very rich people
11:42 mjg59_; Singapore is very rich on average, but has a lot of racism
11:42 schestowitz-TR; singapore is pore (poor)
11:42 schestowitz-TR; many rich people
11:42 mjg59_; If the imporant thing were economic disparity, we should see that countries with less economic disparity had less racism
11:42 schestowitz-TR; banksters
11:42 schestowitz-TR; and many living in terrible condition
11:43 schestowitz-TR; like paying rnt for a mere room
11:43 mjg59_; So which countries with less economic disparity have less racism?
11:43 mjg59_; Easy question
11:43 mjg59_; What is the least racist country
11:43 schestowitz-TR; denmark
11:43 mjg59_; Ha ha no
11:43 schestowitz-TR; not answering the second
11:43 schestowitz-TR; but the earlir line in IRC
11:43 schestowitz-TR; denmark is having issues with islam
11:43 schestowitz-TR; but that's a relatively new one
11:43 schestowitz-TR; sweden also
11:44 schestowitz-TR; historically they were welcoming
11:44 mjg59_; What does Islam have to do with economics?
11:45 schestowitz-TR; you mentioned racism
11:45 schestowitz-TR; denmark = rich country
11:45 mjg59_; Racist rich country
11:46 mjg59_; To the extent that the Council of Europe issued a report criticising their racism
11:47 mjg59_; So how is that an economic problem
11:47 mjg59_; Rather than a racist one
11:47 schestowitz-TR; islam is not a race
11:47 mjg59_; Hey
11:47 mjg59_; Look
11:47 schestowitz-TR; it is perceived to be a problem there for other reasons
11:47 schestowitz-TR; like lack of integration
11:47 mjg59_; Islamophobia is a proxy for anti-Arab racism
11:47 schestowitz-TR; if poles come over to denmark and contribute to the "norms", danes would be cool with it
11:48 schestowitz-TR; Brits maybe not as much
11:48 mjg59_; In the same way that the Northern Irish conflict isn't about religion
11:48 schestowitz-TR; esp. as now there is more competition with Pole
11:48 schestowitz-TR; *Poles
11:48 mjg59_; Danish Islamophobia isn't about religion
11:48 schestowitz-TR; and people rushed to blame "EU"
11:48 schestowitz-TR; then voted brexit
11:49 schestowitz-TR; Arab Christians have historically integrated better
11:49 schestowitz-TR; no matter the race
11:49 schestowitz-TR; the religion does not make it taboo for them to assimilate or integrate
11:49 schestowitz-TR; techrightssec2:
11:49 schestowitz-TR; truthout is still iging blank titles
11:49 schestowitz-TR; for now I grab them manually and add them in
11:49 schestowitz-TR; but maybe a little perl tweak can cope with their latest change
11:50 mjg59_; What prevents Denmark from assimilating Muslim immigrants?
11:50 techrightssec2; yuomypo
11:50 techrightssec2; can you show a URL from Truthout which is not reading the title correctly?
11:50 techrightssec2; The feed I have and the script I have seem to be getting the titles here.
11:50 techrightssec2; I see the problme over on tr-new. Checking
11:50 techrightssec2; Fixed
11:50 techrightssec2; Should be ok in tomorrow's batch
11:50 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: not justifying them or anything... but
11:51 schestowitz-TR; from what I can gather, they do try
11:51 schestowitz-TR; but are met with reluctance
11:51 schestowitz-TR; indians have historically assimilated better
11:51 schestowitz-TR; hindus
11:52 schestowitz-TR; their religion does not embolden them to keep the others at bay
11:52 schestowitz-TR; so you can envision indians speaking danish and acting like the local
11:53 mjg59_; Framing Indians as Hindus is already pretty fucked up
11:53 schestowitz-TR; check their %
11:53 schestowitz-TR; wikipedia says 80%
11:53 mjg59_; It's a meaningful percentage but describing a population that way is incorrect
11:54 schestowitz-TR; 0.2% unaffiliated
11:54 schestowitz-TR; as in nonreligious
11:54 mjg59_; It's like saying Irish people are Catholic
11:54 schestowitz-TR; my image of Danes is not positive
11:54 schestowitz-TR; based on ones I met
11:54 schestowitz-TR; or dated
11:55 schestowitz-TR; they can be quite conceited
11:55 mjg59_; There's a large Muslim population in India and they've been subject to a lot of violence
11:55 schestowitz-TR; but that's not the same as racism
11:56 mjg59_; That's conextual
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13:32 schestowitz-TR; GREAT NEWS
13:32 schestowitz-TR; UPC DELAYED
13:32 schestowitz-TR; AGAIN!
13:32 schestowitz-TR; \
13:33 techrightssec2; Is there a formal statement? Ideally the announcement should be accompmanied
13:33 techrightssec2; by the acknowledgement that the UPC is and will remain quite dead and
13:33 techrightssec2; revibval should not be attempted yet again.
13:33 schestowitz-TR; \
13:33 schestowitz-TR; it's like the US bills
13:33 schestowitz-TR; they keep coming back
13:33 schestowitz-TR; never "officially" dying
13:35 schestowitz-TR; remember STRONGER Patent Act?
13:35 schestowitz-TR; been attempted for 5 years
13:35 schestowitz-TR; afaik, no headway
13:35 schestowitz-TR; tons spet on "lobbying'
13:35 techrightssec2; ack
13:37 schestowitz-TR; regarding latest upc scandal
13:37 schestowitz-TR; in gemini stats I noticed many people still access these month-old posts
13:37 schestowitz-TR; I hope that played a role
13:37 schestowitz-TR; but don't know the details yet
13:37 schestowitz-TR; it's verbal
13:37 schestowitz-TR; also, the journalists I spoke to write stuff
13:37 schestowitz-TR; that I've not seen
13:39 techrightssec2; I hope that the Gemini material has been useful and influential.
13:39 techrightssec2; Will the journalists forward their drafts prior to publishing or at least
13:39 techrightssec2; after publishing?
13:39 schestowitz-TR; i did not ask for that
13:47 techrightssec2; With newspapers at least it is common, especially if being quoted, for one
13:47 techrightssec2; to ask to review the draft for accuracy prior to publishing.
13:48 schestowitz-TR; you are thinking of the golden era of journalism
13:48 schestowitz-TR; without very tight deadline and budget
13:52 schestowitz-TR; i am writing about upc atm
13:53 techrightssec2; No, they had very tight deadlines but it was still customary to ask for that
13:53 techrightssec2; but they won't do it unless you do ask. Though I have to say that if one
13:53 techrightssec2; is publishing an article one was asked to write it would be a dick move to
13:53 techrightssec2; not even show a galley proof first. But that's not the case here.
13:53 techrightssec2; The deadlines in the old days may have even been shorter, it's just that there
13:53 techrightssec2; was a delay.
13:53 techrightssec2; ack
13:56 schestowitz; > We should find one member state (my exprience is that it is way easier
13:56 schestowitz; > to lobby politiciens/governments at home, for ex Belgium is a small
13:56 schestowitz; > country) to file a complaint based on tfeu259 andviolation of teu19.1
13:56 schestowitz; > (national courts are guardians of EU Law) and tfeu267 (deprive national
13:56 schestowitz; > courts from interprtent EU Law).
13:56 schestowitz; >
13:56 schestowitz; > Poland and Hungary are the obvious candidates on the list, as Czech
13:56 schestowitz; > Republic (pirates in gov).
13:56 schestowitz; >
13:56 schestowitz; > Now our famous polish hacker Jan Macek moved to Philippines...
13:56 schestowitz; >
13:56 schestowitz; > It is just a matter of informing them i believe, especually if you
13:56 schestowitz; > expose the German Const Court denial of escalating EU Law problems to
13:56 schestowitz; > the CJEU.
13:58 schestowitz; Just for IRC for now... don't want to give the legal strategy ahead of time. "Thanks, I plan to follow up the above. Do anything you can on your side."
13:58 schestowitz; There is a lot of coordination behind the scenes, but we live far apart.
14:01 schestowitz; It would help to point to some official EU documentation to that effect. Have you a URL showing the details from the earlier mail?
14:01 schestowitz; 1a) it strictly requires the UK signing (but it cannot because it left the EU)
14:01 schestowitz; 1b) it causes various constitutional issues, some of which confirmed by courts already
14:01 schestowitz; 1c) there was no legitimate economic analysis; it was fabricated a long time ago and those who perpetrated this fraud even said they refuse to allow
14:01 schestowitz; >>> Which one or two constitutional issues are more problematic? The
14:01 schestowitz; >>> European Parliament has a committee dedicated specifically to
14:01 schestowitz; >>> constitutional matters so this might be relevant to bring to them.
14:01 schestowitz; >>
14:01 schestowitz; >> Hungary took this to court. It was ruled unconstitutional.
14:01 schestowitz; > Can you forward the link, in English, to that court decision?
14:01 schestowitz; I am going to research all the original links (maybe not English) fro the next part.
14:01 schestowitz; Patrick might even ask for some links of that kind (I'm waiting).
14:01 schestowitz; to make a quick response to Patrick later will help a lot.
14:04 schestowitz; [09:47] <schestowitz-TR2> (you should contact your mep, I will contact breyer as a german)
14:04 schestowitz; "I am writing to you as a longtime observer of the UPC and also as a German citizen (albeit residing in the UK)."
14:07 schestowitz; ------------
14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,
14:07 schestowitz; > thanks for your trust. Since I am short on time, is there something you think I can do to follow up?
14:07 schestowitz; > Best regards
14:07 schestowitz; Hi,
14:07 schestowitz; Thanks for getting back to me.
14:07 schestowitz; There is no urgency, but estimates say Germany might officially ratify in December or even November.
14:07 schestowitz; Do you want me to share some links on this matter? I understand you're short on time.
14:07 schestowitz; Regards,
14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,
14:07 schestowitz; > as I said I would need a suggestion on how to proceed.
14:07 schestowitz; > Best regards
14:07 schestowitz; > xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
14:07 schestowitz; I suggest submitting another question to the Commission. This one about:
14:07 schestowitz; "how come you allow the announcement of an EU court staff for a court that neither exists nor can legally and constitutionally exist?"
14:07 schestowitz; He (probably Breton, Battistelli's close friend) will run away from your question like he did the last time.
14:07 schestowitz; (There are other questions, but I don't want to over-encumber anyone)
14:07 schestowitz; Regards,
14:07 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,
14:08 schestowitz; > I'm also afraid the reply would be useless, so I'll spare myself the bother. Hope you understand.
14:08 schestowitz; > Best regards
14:08 schestowitz; Yes, I understand entirely.
14:08 schestowitz; Thanks for what you've done so far.
14:08 schestowitz; Potentially of interest, last night: http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/11/08/epo-management-fails-to-allow-mass-emails-despite-iloat-judgment/
14:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO management fails to allow mass emails, despite ILOAT judgment - Kluwer Patent Blog
14:08 schestowitz; Regards,
14:09 schestowitz; Old:
14:09 schestowitz; I found a gem, in 2011 someone predicted the CJEU 2018 removal of intra-EU investment courts (ISDS) after opinion 1/09.
14:09 schestowitz; If you follow UPC news, they just adopted the RoP in their little secret meetings.
14:09 schestowitz; Germany should ratify in October.
14:09 schestowitz; I am checking whether we could file a second complaint before the deadline of 1y after publication, which is 12 August.
14:09 schestowitz; And sue Germany to CJEU if they don't want to deal with the issue, which they already said they only do if there are problems with fundamental rights and EU Law.
14:14 schestowitz; >> Someone suggested to find a country to file a complaint other
14:14 schestowitz; > countries
14:14 schestowitz; >> based on the violation of the treaties.
14:14 schestowitz; >>
14:14 schestowitz; >> The problem is that we saw the 'common court' lie only now, there
14:14 schestowitz; > was a
14:14 schestowitz; >> window of 2 months to attack it in 2015.
14:14 schestowitz; >>
14:14 schestowitz; >> I am not sure a country can still challenge it outsider of that
14:14 schestowitz; > window.
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; > Seems like that gives us more time to come up with something?
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; > All the countries that did not ratify are an obvious candidate.
14:14 schestowitz; > Poland does not like Germany, which is driving this project.
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; > The problem is that a country could not easily accuse the others of
14:14 schestowitz; > violating EU law, since EU law (Brussels1 regulation falsely saying
14:14 schestowitz; > it is a common court) is in force since 2015.
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; > At least we have to try and ask and have a debate (even here in
14:14 schestowitz; > Belgium which used many times the 218tfeu to ask the CJEU on
14:14 schestowitz; > compatibility of international treaties with the EU treaties, such as
14:14 schestowitz; > CETA or EnergyCharter).
14:14 schestowitz; >
14:14 schestowitz; > At the end of the day, we need to convince one gov, and Poland is an
14:14 schestowitz; > obvious one, since Karlsruhe blocked a question about TEU19, which
14:15 schestowitz; > is the article Poland is being sued on.
14:15 schestowitz; Let us know how Techrights can help such an outcome.
14:15 schestowitz; I've not been keeping track of UPC lately, we focus a lot on other important topic and do development work.
14:15 schestowitz; Keep fighting, even if it's tiring.
14:15 schestowitz; > One way is to try to cancel the Brussels1 regulation, which wrongly says the UPC is a common court.
14:15 schestowitz; > The question is whether we could go to a national court, and ask them to escalate to CJEU, or do we have to wait that UPC is running.
14:15 schestowitz-TR; using irc logs to share some more ingo
14:15 schestowitz-TR; *info
14:15 schestowitz-TR; not secret
14:15 schestowitz-TR; but not to be shows to team upc at this point
14:15 schestowitz-TR; as it can help them against the strategy
14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > If you have time, i asked David Martin (who predicted the 2008 crash at
14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > eupaco in 2007) where he said that Germany is Always protecting the EPO,
14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > he said there is a record in 2003 with the danish prsidency. I asked
14:19 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > him for a link, still no reply.
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > I suspect Karlsruhe to also protect the patent system, that's why their
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > decisions are 'political'.
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > Now it's pretty clear Karlsruhe found an excuse not to escalate to CJEU,
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > because the lobby behind controls the ministry of justice and want the
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > UPC desperately into force.
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> >
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > We have received other troubling news, that i cannot share for the
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> > moment with you, but December is gonna be critical.
14:20 schestowitz; [06:48] <schestowitz> OK, so the help you need is more coverage of UPC?
14:23 techrightssec2; Then why is it in IRC :/
14:24 schestowitz-TR; inner circle
14:24 schestowitz-TR; but not broad daylight
14:24 schestowitz-TR; added a draft just now
14:24 schestowitz-TR; re upc
14:24 schestowitz-TR; does not give away strategy
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