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06:08 Techrights-sec; spot on
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:23] <DaemonFC> mjg59_, How long until Microsoft changes that policy?
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06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:23] <MinceR> the moment they think they can get away with it
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:23] <DaemonFC> Then even better, when they do that, what stops them from issuing dbx updates that revoke all versions of shim and grub?
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:23] <schestowitz[TR]> keyturn killswitch
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:24] <schestowitz[TR]> they have it hibernating on many PCs already
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:24] <MinceR> nothing stops them from doing that
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:24] <MinceR> that's the whole point
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:24] <MinceR> though they'll probably do a false flag operation to "justify" it
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:26] <DaemonFC> The entire point of mjg59_'s "shim" is to evade the GPL's anti-DRM provisions.
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:27] <DaemonFC> If they tried to "sign" GRUB and then tell you that you couldn't run modified versions of it, they'd be in violation of the GPL.
06:12 schestowitz-TR; [21:27] <DaemonFC> So shim is a GPL evasion tool.
06:12 Techrights-sec; "schestowitz[TR], But will it actually let you turn off Matt GULAG Boot?"
06:12 Techrights-sec; no it will not, soon:
06:12 Techrights-sec; https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000124038/bios-and-operating-system-requirements-to-met-support-secured-core-personal-computing?lang=en
06:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-BIOS and Operating System Requirements to Met Support Secured-core Personal Computing | Dell US
06:16 schestowitz-TR; thank you microsoft, the diamond sponsor
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06:22 Techrights-sec; I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system
06:22 Techrights-sec; to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally
06:22 Techrights-sec; possible as remote actions either through trojans, chained exploits, or
06:22 Techrights-sec; simply taking control over the update process upstream by court or military
06:22 Techrights-sec; order. Restricted boot thus doubles as a remote killl switch.
06:23 schestowitz-TR; yes, germany figured this out a long time ago
06:23 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_ has in effect enabled not only an attack on GNU/Linux
06:23 schestowitz-TR; but on computing in genral
06:23 schestowitz-TR; not just software freedom
06:23 schestowitz-TR; it is the exact opposite of security
06:28 mjg59_; You'd suspect incorrectly
06:29 Techrights-sec; Yes, there is the GPL-circumvention aspect too, but that's a legal and
06:29 Techrights-sec; ethical quagmire. Installing a (remote) kill switch to almost brick x86
06:29 Techrights-sec; hardware is a military or national defense issue. It severely hurts
06:29 Techrights-sec; defensive readiness because as good as all client hardware in both the
06:29 Techrights-sec; public and private sectors are x86, at least as far as general purpose
06:29 Techrights-sec; computing goes.
06:29 schestowitz-TR; I said that almost a decade ago, several times in fact
06:29 Techrights-sec; Yes
06:30 mjg59_; It's amazing how you just make stuff up
06:30 schestowitz-TR; i am sort of 'saying' to myself, wait... is this something new or a eureka moment?
06:30 schestowitz-TR; it's mostly a change in wording or framing
06:30 schestowitz-TR; but both issues we're talking about
06:30 schestowitz-TR; "war on modified systems"
06:30 schestowitz-TR; or
06:30 schestowitz-TR; "remove bricking"
06:30 schestowitz-TR; those were alluded to in different words many times before
06:30 schestowitz-TR; that microisoft would IMPOSE this later with OEMs was predicted from the very start
06:30 schestowitz-TR; that link is not even needed as Lenovo ALREADY does it, not merely speaks about it
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06:31 Techrights-sec; Not really but the framing is different now because Putler has a reason to
06:31 Techrights-sec; use restricted boot against the West now.
06:31 Techrights-sec; Yes, it was clear as daylight that m$ was moving that direction and that
06:31 Techrights-sec; each step brought us closer to that.
06:31 Techrights-sec; Liars and m$ moles would counter each time by saying that the end goal had
06:31 Techrights-sec; not yet been acquire so therefore the step in question was "harmless"
06:31 Techrights-sec; None of the steps have been harmless in and of themselves and each have hurt
06:31 Techrights-sec; general purpose computing in their own way as well as keeping us on the road
06:31 Techrights-sec; to the end of general purpose computing.
06:37 psydruid; is the mole's job to categorically deny any and all wrongdoings?
06:37 psydruid; "There is malware in the firmware that injects malware into your malware"
06:39 schestowitz-TR; to them, BSD and GNU/Linux is the "malware"
06:39 schestowitz-TR; ti prevent it from running
06:45 psydruid; I'm totally fine with that agenda
06:46 psydruid; they should prevent it from running even more
06:46 psydruid; actually it shouldn't run at all now and forever
06:47 psydruid; after
06:54 schestowitz-TR; the important thing is not the losses (or win)
06:54 schestowitz-TR; the important thing is that you keep fighting
06:54 schestowitz-TR; the important thing is not the losses (or win)
06:54 schestowitz-TR; the important thing is that you keep fighting
06:55 psydruid; so more developers will put all of their efforts into supporting non-x86 hardware with free system firmwares
06:55 schestowitz-TR; there are forces and actors to whom users controlling their computing is unacceptable
06:55 schestowitz-TR; and if they are not canceled, they might alert other people
06:55 psydruid; the mole can enjoy his career peddling backdoored hardware
06:56 schestowitz-TR; yes
06:57 psydruid; and this why the mole must be present here causing us to play a game of whack-a-mole instead of focusing on what needs to happen
06:57 schestowitz-TR; the answer is in the question
06:57 psydruid; from what I see the more open hardware all comes from Asia and China in particular
06:57 schestowitz-TR; or the statement
06:58 schestowitz-TR; people have learned to ignore some moles
06:58 schestowitz-TR; so they try to
06:58 schestowitz-TR; -get even
06:58 schestowitz-TR; -salvage something by find some way - ANY way - to cancel the mesenger
06:59 schestowitz-TR; not just china and india
06:59 schestowitz-TR; Russia is trying to make its own domestic chips viable
06:59 schestowitz-TR; they know that in the long run the dying US empire of 6 eyes won't allow anything to boot
06:59 schestowitz-TR; first they spread wsindows everywhere
06:59 schestowitz-TR; now they deliver many boards with trojan horses soldered in so to speak
07:01 psydruid; there are firmwares that inject drivers and utilities into malware operating systems
07:01 psydruid; and people consider this normal
07:03 psydruid; it's not just about windows, it's about furthering the hegemony of US companies over companies from the rest of the world
07:03 psydruid; and imposing US culture too
07:07 schestowitz-TR; yeah, exactly
07:08 schestowitz-TR; anyway, we are a thorn on that agenda's side. Hence the name-calling and stalking.
07:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Yes, I was talking to someone earlier about what I'll do when the PC is hopeless.
07:58 DaemonFC; It's very nearly there already, as mjg59_ himself pointed out.
07:58 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/10/05/Bill_Gates_Evil_Prophecy.gmi
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07:58 DaemonFC; You have to toggle a setting that for all intents and purposes fucks up Windows to get "Secure" Boot running again.
07:58 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: you caught him lying
07:59 DaemonFC; And in that case, you may as well just turn it off and take the hit right there.
07:59 schestowitz-TR; and now he's busted
07:59 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft shill
07:59 schestowitz-TR; see the above article
07:59 DaemonFC; I never wanted the PC to end like this.
07:59 schestowitz-TR; from a Techrights reader
07:59 schestowitz-TR; since like 15 years ago
07:59 DaemonFC; Mainly because other platforms are not as developed and they're not as fast or as cheap (due to mass manufacturing).
08:00 DaemonFC; It's not the technical excellence that keeps me coming back. It's the compatibility and cheapness and the fact that there's no really awful toolchain bugs.
08:00 schestowitz-TR; brb
08:00 DaemonFC; You know, you use PowerPC even and GCC can't build Firefox correctly anymore.
08:01 DaemonFC; You need a hacked up GCC just to build it with most of the JavaScript engine optimizations disabled.
08:01 DaemonFC; That really sucks.
08:01 DaemonFC; Linux had good support for PowerPC on the desktop at one point because Macs used it.
08:01 DaemonFC; So there were people using it and making sure it at least didn't break.
08:02 DaemonFC; And now it's a server thing and if you try to use it as a desktop, you don't know what you have.
08:02 Techrights-sec; ack
08:02 Techrights-sec; it seems to be infecting ARM too
08:03 DaemonFC; mjg59_, So did you have time to go over my question about flashing UEFI from Hirem's BootCD PE?
08:03 DaemonFC; It's nice that there's basically no release notes.
08:03 DaemonFC; You have to pass it to find out what's in it, as Pelosi might say.
08:04 DaemonFC; I don't see much value in updating the firmware.
08:05 DaemonFC; Best case, you close some holes. Worst case, it slips in something really nasty or goes ahead and hoses your motherboard.
08:05 DaemonFC; I haven't seen any indication that Lenovo actually knows a whole hell of a lot about firmware.
08:06 DaemonFC; The last time I flashed it, it was under warranty and 12 revisions in, they still had typos in the UEFI setup program.
08:29 schestowitz-TR; maybe I will ask alejandro, the (c) holder, for permission to reproduce the above article
08:33 mjg59_; I feel like I've been extremely clear that it's not Pluton that's blocking Linux on the Z13
08:36 schestowitz-TR; straw man
08:37 mjg59_; It's a claim that's made in that article
08:37 mjg59_; It's quite clearly not a straw man
08:46 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep
08:46 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-developers.redhat.com | Filter content in HTML using regular expressions in grep | Red Hat Developer
08:46 Techrights-sec; <techrights-news> "Use regular expressions to find and filter content in HTML pages in the grep and pcre2grep command-line utilities." Says Red Hat whose article BLOCKS anyone not running PROPRIETARY JS code... and which also blocks wget https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/10/05/filter-content-html-using-regular-expressions-grep
08:47 Techrights-sec; regex cannot parse HTML or even well-formed XML thus I can tell that the
08:47 Techrights-sec; Red Hat article is 100% bullshit before even clicking on the link.
08:47 Techrights-sec; <schestowitz-TR> <techrights-news> (NEW): Bill Gates' Evil Prophecy
08:47 Techrights-sec; Excellent. By the way, at the end of the article he mentions a FSF campaign
08:47 Techrights-sec; against Vista11, perhaps the profile of that campaign can be elevated?
08:49 schestowitz-TR; that Red Hat started blocking wget is sort of new
08:49 schestowitz-TR; only saw that yesterday
08:49 schestowitz-TR; that it's getting harder and harder to acess the site without JS is a disgrace to what the company stoof for
08:49 schestowitz-TR; *stood
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08:56 schestowitz-TR; re vista 11 campain, it was so muted that I can barely recall if one exists
08:56 schestowitz-TR; I've just mailed alessandro for (c) permission
08:56 schestowitz-TR; he has been reading TR since it was like a year old
08:56 schestowitz-TR; the people of pclos mag are closely connected to tuxmachines through sunsan
08:56 schestowitz-TR; meemaw cannot post to new TM, he's the editor
08:56 schestowitz-TR; anyway, don't want to step on any toes, hence asking
08:56 schestowitz-TR; *campaign
08:57 Techrights-sec; How malicious of them. I only heard of it via alejandro's article,
08:59 schestowitz-TR; I think FSF wrote one blog post about it
08:59 schestowitz-TR; maybe 2 at most
08:59 schestowitz-TR; that's now what I'd call a campaign
08:59 schestowitz-TR; when the Lenovo news came out
08:59 schestowitz-TR; FSF just did some article about BIOS
08:59 schestowitz-TR; and did not mention what Lenovo/Microsoft had done
08:59 schestowitz-TR; that would be a violation of Co^H^Hkind communication guidelines
08:59 Techrights-sec; hip WTF???
08:59 Techrights-sec; ack
09:01 Techrights-sec; I'd say, let's not be too harash
09:01 Techrights-sec; they are besieged rather than malicious
09:01 Techrights-sec; but it is also a cautionary tale
09:01 Techrights-sec; notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked
09:01 Techrights-sec; in EFF and FSF
09:02 Techrights-sec; spying
09:02 Techrights-sec; finding dirt
09:02 Techrights-sec; identify grudges
09:02 schestowitz-TR; I'd say, let's not be too harash
09:02 Techrights-sec; make demands
09:02 schestowitz-TR; they are besieged rather than malicious
09:02 Techrights-sec; I'd say, let's not be too harash
09:02 schestowitz-TR; but it is also a cautionary tale
09:02 schestowitz-TR; notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked
09:02 Techrights-sec; they are besieged rather than malicious
09:02 schestowitz-TR; in EFF and FSF
09:02 Techrights-sec; but it is also a cautionary tale
09:02 schestowitz-TR; spying
09:02 schestowitz-TR; finding dirt
09:02 Techrights-sec; notice how the divide-and-rule tactics worked
09:02 schestowitz-TR; identify grudges
09:02 Techrights-sec; in EFF and FSF
09:02 schestowitz-TR; make demands
09:02 Techrights-sec; spying
09:02 Techrights-sec; finding dirt
09:02 Techrights-sec; identify grudges
09:02 Techrights-sec; make demands
09:03 schestowitz-TR; (pasted in wrong place)
09:03 schestowitz-TR; finding damaged people like Microsoft Peter is icing on the case
09:03 schestowitz-TR; but mostly because they are easy to control and dispose
09:03 schestowitz-TR; so they can never be truly independent
09:03 schestowitz-TR; but that's just a feature.
09:03 schestowitz-TR; *cake
09:04 Techrights-sec; ack
09:05 Techrights-sec; It still does not explain why the FSF has been so low key about its Vista11
09:05 Techrights-sec; campaign.
09:08 schestowitz-TR; it does not
09:08 schestowitz-TR; but I think they might be understaffed or wrongly staffed
09:08 schestowitz-TR; some tasks were only known to few insiders
09:08 schestowitz-TR; the gaps were filled by "young blood"
09:08 schestowitz-TR; also, as an aside, one could joke about the trolls being like siggi from iceland
09:08 schestowitz-TR; re trhe agenda
09:08 schestowitz-TR; MS peter was the media operative pushing for Microsoft's takeover of git
09:08 schestowitz-TR; and another priority was 'secure' boot
09:08 schestowitz-TR; and sooner or later you identity the priorities
09:08 schestowitz-TR; and who is the liar du jour
09:08 schestowitz-TR; and what they have on them
09:08 schestowitz-TR; like tranphobes-turned-'SJW'
09:08 schestowitz-TR; now in 'damage control' mode
09:08 schestowitz-TR; even in IRC
09:10 schestowitz-TR; btw, the excuse that "he changed his mind" is BS
09:10 schestowitz-TR; or that "20 years ago everyone was like that"
09:10 schestowitz-TR; totally false
09:10 schestowitz-TR; the difference is the self-censorship
09:10 schestowitz-TR; I worked closely with trans 20 years ago
09:10 schestowitz-TR; and saw how silence was the policy
09:10 schestowitz-TR; like "don't ask, don't tell"
09:10 schestowitz-TR; anyway, bringing up the isms is a two-edged sword
09:10 schestowitz-TR; and helps get back on the real topics
09:11 Techrights-sec; Yes, they exploit scum like that. Same for incompetents. They can hold it over
09:11 Techrights-sec; them and the tools know that they can be exposed if they don't obey.
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09:18 schestowitz-TR; the site in question is now blocked
09:18 schestowitz-TR; rt and sputnik were, at some point, blocked
09:18 schestowitz-TR; i only noticed about a week ago, as pointed out in irc
09:18 schestowitz-TR; I don't suppose our own autocrats realise the threat which is double standards
09:18 schestowitz-TR; for moral high ground
09:18 schestowitz-TR; this will later be exploited to show hypocriy
09:18 schestowitz-TR; there are better ways to handle lies
09:18 schestowitz-TR; apropos, the latest video from john campbell is RIDIIIICULOUS...
09:18 schestowitz-TR; like 70% of the video is just him going through Gulag's guidelines
09:18 schestowitz-TR; to ensure the video does not get censored and the channel as a whole taken downa
09:18 schestowitz-TR; apparently they did this to russell brand
09:18 schestowitz-TR; I've not been keeping up but rianne has
09:18 schestowitz-TR; she says he really disliked bill gates
09:18 schestowitz-TR; remember gates pays youtube to put his greeenwashinf ads
09:18 schestowitz-TR; they bombarded rianne with those, she said he sounded like a mice
09:18 schestowitz-TR; pre-roll, iirc skippable after some seconds
09:18 schestowitz-TR; of watchiong the 'oracle' who looks after us and saves the planet
09:19 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I link to the campbell video in irc
09:19 schestowitz-TR; but he wastes all the time being paranoid and reading and complimenting censorship rules
09:19 schestowitz-TR; and cannot ever question davos WEF or WHO or...
09:19 schestowitz-TR; because that would get him deploatformed
09:19 schestowitz-TR; I told rianne, they already decided he must be banned
09:19 schestowitz-TR; now they're just stalking anf 'hunting' for the trigger/justificationb
09:19 schestowitz-TR; he really pisses off the BillBC, which saw it fit to 'debunk' him and discourage people from watching his videos (which say the same as I always did)
09:19 schestowitz-TR; typo: I meant the site is NOT blocked, not "now"
09:20 MinceR; 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> I would suspect that there are a lot of ways to modify a cracked system
09:20 MinceR; 05 072243 < Techrights-sec> to ensure it won't ever boot again, and those modifications are equally
09:20 MinceR; uefi makes this easy
09:20 schestowitz-TR; I have meanwhile noticed a considerable decrease in Twitter audience
09:21 schestowitz-TR; which means far fewer active accounts
09:21 MinceR; though it's probably specific to the mainboard manufacturer at least
09:21 schestowitz-TR; I judge this based on 951k tweets I posted
09:21 schestowitz-TR; one upside of leaving twitter (but not the reason for it)
09:21 schestowitz-TR; the likelihood of deplatforming my account there is slim to none
09:21 MinceR; there are systems that have trouble booting from removable devices at all
09:22 schestowitz-TR; wow, now nice
09:22 schestowitz-TR; "secure"
09:22 schestowitz-TR; "safe space"
09:22 schestowitz-TR; "community guidelines"
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09:23 Techrights-sec; The ads in YouTube are unskippable nowadays
09:25 schestowitz-TR; wait, I think it's trickier than this
09:25 schestowitz-TR; ime, some videos have TWO videos prior to playback
09:25 schestowitz-TR; depending on content/channel
09:25 schestowitz-TR; one can be skipped/after 5 secs
09:25 schestowitz-TR; the other might not be skippable
09:25 schestowitz-TR; I have a "mute" button on the keyboard
09:25 schestowitz-TR; and virtual desktops
09:25 schestowitz-TR; so I can 'skip' that
09:25 schestowitz-TR; librewolf, IIRC, compltely eliminates those ads
09:25 schestowitz-TR; but I only use invidious these days
09:25 schestowitz-TR; unless I accedentally open the GulagB00B(Tube)
09:25 Techrights-sec; Yes most have two ads first and some in the middle and then more at the end
09:25 Techrights-sec; No, not often. Both ads preceding a video are unskippable, but it may vary
09:25 Techrights-sec; from region to region or so I have read.
09:27 schestowitz-TR; so let me get the Gulag proposition right:
09:27 schestowitz-TR; -you are babysat for what you can say
09:27 schestowitz-TR; -truth gets you banned
09:27 schestowitz-TR; -users report that actions are almost NEVER overturned unless there is a MASSIVE backlash in ANOTHER platform (like twitter; you're banned i.e. persona
09:27 schestowitz-TR; non grata)
09:27 schestowitz-TR; -your videos are being laced with hostile propaganda (inc. Jeffrey Epstein's mate doing reputatioon laundering)
09:27 schestowitz-TR; -those ads pay you NOTHING
09:28 schestowitz-TR; some "deal", eh?
09:28 Techrights-sec; And any video with the string "Linux" in the title is immediately demonetized
09:30 schestowitz-TR; Gulag likes "Linux" only a a kickstarter
09:30 schestowitz-TR; for search
09:30 schestowitz-TR; clown
09:30 schestowitz-TR; android
09:30 schestowitz-TR; but hates the licence
09:30 schestowitz-TR; Gulag is not Brin anymore
09:30 schestowitz-TR; and Linux has long not been named in front page of Google.com
09:31 schestowitz-TR; 1990s Google: a bunch of improvised GNU/Linux machiens, cobbled together to make indexing and rating
09:31 schestowitz-TR; a Web interface with logo made in GIMP script-fu (I think Brin made that)
09:31 schestowitz-TR; and a button for "Linux"
09:31 schestowitz-TR; which is why he and Larry Page made Google, at least in part
09:31 schestowitz-TR; they needed to know how to work with an OS that actually works
09:46 schestowitz-TR; tomorrow we get new nhs figures
09:46 schestowitz-TR; expecting a surge
09:46 schestowitz-TR; but still no discussion on the failing, low efficacy of the vaccines they want to give us more and more of
09:46 schestowitz-TR; no real room for competition
09:46 schestowitz-TR; then again, from a financial pov, solving the issue is not everyone's objective :/
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10:40 schestowitz-TR; the observation some editors work only few days of thwe week validates in zdnet
10:40 schestowitz-TR; they can go on for days with nothing
10:40 schestowitz-TR; then a burst of articles
10:40 schestowitz-TR; like more howtos than one author coulkd possibly research in a day (wallen)
10:40 schestowitz-TR; and sjvn with "news" already 3 days old
10:40 schestowitz-TR; they need to go via the editor
10:40 schestowitz-TR; I suspect an editor (full time staff) is employed for 2-3 days a week, at most
10:40 schestowitz-TR; this of course makes the site suckj
10:40 schestowitz-TR; the news articles [sic] are way too old, rotten
10:40 schestowitz-TR; and howtos come in large bursts, then stop for ages
11:38 Techrights-sec; Seems plausible
12:04 Techrights-sec; The bursty results sure seem to indicate that the magazines are not fully
12:04 Techrights-sec; staffed and work limited hours and don't have a smoot or continuous work flow
12:06 schestowitz-TR; iow, maybe sjvn covrrs the news within hours
12:06 schestowitz-TR; but that won't be published until 72 hours later
12:06 schestowitz-TR; I kept mocking him for being super-late
12:06 schestowitz-TR; but maybe that's not his fauly
12:06 schestowitz-TR; that also limits the qualioty and REACH of his REAL reporting
12:06 schestowitz-TR; the puff pieces are like ads
12:06 schestowitz-TR; timing/speed may not matter
12:07 Techrights-sec; Well, the editors have put shitty, click-bait headlines on the articles.
12:07 Techrights-sec; Usually the headlines over FOSS articles are the opposite of the content:
12:07 Techrights-sec; very negative headlines over positive articles, very positive headlines over
12:07 Techrights-sec; negarive articles. That much has gone on since around 20 years ago at more
12:07 Techrights-sec; than just ZDNet but especially at ZDNet, even during the time when it still
12:07 Techrights-sec; had lots of good articles.
12:10 schestowitz-TR; PJ used to say what I also saw first hand: the authors do not write the headlines
12:10 schestowitz-TR; publishers/editors do
12:10 schestowitz-TR; nobody holds them accountable for it
12:10 schestowitz-TR; instead they lynch the real author
12:10 schestowitz-TR; I wrote some recent headlines
12:10 schestowitz-TR; then the editor changes that to a QUESTION
12:10 schestowitz-TR; or something negative
12:10 schestowitz-TR; or clickbait... or...
12:10 schestowitz-TR; I could dig through old emails to prove that
12:10 schestowitz-TR; at some stage there's no point choosing a headline at all
12:10 schestowitz-TR; because what you spent time writing down will be discarded anyway
12:10 Techrights-sec; Correct, so the editorial staff were the first corrupted or compromised.
12:10 Techrights-sec; Yes, that is my point.
12:12 Techrights-sec; That it happened is well-known, but the means by which M$ gained control
12:12 Techrights-sec; of the editors decades ago and has maintained control since would be
12:12 Techrights-sec; useful to know.
12:13 schestowitz-TR; it's like stacking the deck or panels
12:13 schestowitz-TR; a la "evangelism is war"
12:13 schestowitz-TR; larry dignan fired blakenhorn and maybe paula rooney too
12:13 schestowitz-TR; until she left on her own
12:14 schestowitz-TR; then you had shitheads like perlow (microsoft)
12:14 schestowitz-TR; who was later adpted for LF 'research' (lies)
12:14 schestowitz-TR; the ageist
12:14 Techrights-sec; Yes, similar to stacking the panels, but would require key parts of the
12:14 Techrights-sec; management of each publication to sell out
12:16 schestowitz-TR; they can buy a lot of "ads"
12:16 schestowitz-TR; in exchange for something
12:16 schestowitz-TR; conditions
12:16 schestowitz-TR; ars technica "UK" was established partly by Microsot
12:16 schestowitz-TR; lateer it collapses
12:16 schestowitz-TR; *sed
12:16 schestowitz-TR; but the beancounter can see that money which came from Microsoft
12:16 schestowitz-TR; so could t he editor (Seb), who told me about this when challenged
12:16 schestowitz-TR; they did lots of MSFT puff piece
12:16 schestowitz-TR; and though it was OK cause Microsoft was funding them
12:16 schestowitz-TR; back then they employed a british pedo, ms peter
12:16 schestowitz-TR; his articles (not really his) would later get 'planted' in wikipedia
12:16 schestowitz-TR; which W-E is editing for Microsoft
12:16 schestowitz-TR; Shaw, Microsoift's PR chief, came from W-E
12:16 schestowitz-TR; that's also where Ballmer's wife, Connie, comes from
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12:30 schestowitz-TR; we have no [to
12:30 schestowitz-TR; [topic] atm
12:30 schestowitz-TR; not even epo
12:30 schestowitz-TR; I messed around with bookmarks, found no _good_ ideas
12:30 schestowitz-TR; the github material needs to wait a bit
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13:03 Techrights-sec; possible topic:
13:03 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-031022.html#tOct%2003%2010:24:37
13:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, October 03, 2022
13:03 Techrights-sec; the vote says a lot about the internal politics and priorities and misprioritization
13:04 schestowitz-TR; yes, that is a good [topic]
13:08 schestowitz-TR; plan is, go through all the articles about the outcome
13:08 schestowitz-TR; it's in TM
13:08 schestowitz-TR; then discuss my experiences
13:08 schestowitz-TR; and then the impact on SF
13:20 schestowitz-TR; maybe also a discussion about gnu/linux becoming widepsread
13:20 schestowitz-TR; leads to many compromises andpromotion of people who simple don't gasp FS
13:20 schestowitz-TR; or don't care
13:20 schestowitz-TR; which was long predicted or inevitable
13:20 Techrights-sec; yes
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13:23 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Content consumption implies an economical transaction. Consumers give some currency token to the distributor (which, most of the time, is not the creator). Historically, that currency was fiat money but, nowadays, new kinds of token have appeared :likes, retweets, comments and even "clicks"" gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-10-05-there-is-no-content-on-gemini.gmi
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15:05 schestowitz-TR; OTA
15:05 schestowitz-TR; ok done
15:37 Techrights-sec; ack
15:40 schestowitz-TR; the video did not go too well
15:40 schestowitz-TR; distract by chirping from the kitchen
15:40 schestowitz-TR; but the text is always more important
15:40 schestowitz-TR; draft
15:40 schestowitz-TR; videos are often a ramble or information streams of consciousness BEFORE organising it in written form
15:40 schestowitz-TR; copehagen fc is playing across the road from us tonight, should be very easy game
15:40 schestowitz-TR; the video did mention in passing that it seems zdnet is grossly understaffed
15:40 schestowitz-TR; but I forgot to bring up many points due to lack of a script
15:40 schestowitz-TR; so the text is a bit more complete
15:44 Techrights-sec; checking
15:46 schestowitz-TR; adding a final para quoting rms using your transcript of it
15:46 schestowitz-TR; my videos can suck and articles are rushed, but striving to perfection means you're never happy, just lacking time
15:46 schestowitz-TR; on the www, you don't compete for pages in a book
15:46 schestowitz-TR; as for use of time (others'), that's a legit concern
15:47 Techrights-sec; more important even than the bad treatment of volunteers is the lack of
15:47 Techrights-sec; commitment to freedom. if derivatives want to modify the base, including by adding proprietary crap, then that's on them. the upstream should strive to st
15:47 Techrights-sec; ay
15:47 Techrights-sec; clean. however, the bad treatment of the volunteers might demostrate a pattern
15:47 Techrights-sec; matching that lack of committment to software freedom
15:47 schestowitz-TR; I will add this view, hang on
15:49 schestowitz-TR; added figosdev quote from irc too
15:49 schestowitz-TR; video still processing btw
16:01 Techrights-sec; otr: what I was trying to say is that the bad treatment of the volunteers
16:01 Techrights-sec; otr: might be because of those specific volunteers' commitment to software
16:01 Techrights-sec; otr: freedom
16:08 schestowitz-TR; done
16:08 schestowitz-TR; rule: read headline 5+ times to be certain no typos there, no ambiguity/bait
16:08 schestowitz-TR; summart 2-3 times
16:08 schestowitz-TR; body: write once, check once
16:08 schestowitz-TR; video: spontaneous
16:08 schestowitz-TR; almost everyone reads the headline
16:08 schestowitz-TR; not many go beyond that
16:08 schestowitz-TR; need more topics now :-)
16:16 schestowitz-TR; ---
16:16 schestowitz-TR; a video about fascism would have little in terms of tech angle unless it's about how social control media handles these words and terms
16:16 schestowitz-TR; and helped associate antifa with things it is now
16:16 schestowitz-TR; *not
16:16 schestowitz-TR; the matter is very good topic, we covered it in TR at the time
16:16 schestowitz-TR; I'm more interested in "what happened" to cryptome if you can figure that out because I've not heard from or abotu them in years
16:16 schestowitz-TR; iirc, it was not too clear who ran it and they were like wikileaks sans the "Dark PR" campaign
16:16 schestowitz-TR; schneier has not muich value proposition either anymore
16:16 schestowitz-TR; he was OK in trhe "golden era" of secrity-related leaks
16:16 schestowitz-TR; now he's a conde nast parrot who links to US gov. sites as if they always tell the full truth
16:16 schestowitz-TR; and in general he barely writes any new essays
16:16 schestowitz-TR; he says,
16:17 schestowitz-TR; x years ago I wrote about y
16:18 schestowitz-TR; I'm gonna d'umpseter-dive' my rss feeds and see if more ideas come up
16:18 schestowitz-TR; the fate of cryptome would be a unique and ibteresting topis, i think
16:18 schestowitz-TR; maybe it's still around, but not old form
16:25 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft Canonical is 'upselling' Debian https://siliconangle.com/2022/10/05/canonical-announces-free-ubuntu-pro-subscriptions-five-workstations-servers/
16:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Canonical announces free Ubuntu Pro subscriptions for up to five workstations or servers - SiliconANGLE
16:25 schestowitz-TR; saying *it like boycott ubuntu would be setting the bar too high
16:25 schestowitz-TR; because if on that basis one was to boycoyy the distro
16:25 schestowitz-TR; mnay others too would be worthy of the same treatment
16:25 schestowitz-TR; I hope that Canonical is at least paying attention to the backlash
16:25 schestowitz-TR; and consider different policies
16:25 schestowitz-TR; they seem to have diversified with "GAFAM" a bit
16:25 schestowitz-TR; not also A and G, not just M
16:25 schestowitz-TR; the problem is still,
16:25 schestowitz-TR; british firm working with very dodgy firms
16:25 schestowitz-TR; and instead of marrying microsoft
16:25 schestowitz-TR; it does a mozilla
16:25 schestowitz-TR; a foursome of surveillance cpmpanies
16:25 schestowitz-TR; but no single point of failure
16:25 schestowitz-TR; they not advertise hosting the deskop under aws
16:25 schestowitz-TR; far worse than scopes spywar
16:32 Techrights-sec; Canonical seems to ignore pushback, recall their response to infecting their
16:32 Techrights-sec; project with Mono-boosters was to double down. Then they hired Microsofters,
16:32 Techrights-sec; then they put some in top staff positions. Bacon was part of that, if he
16:32 Techrights-sec; had any interest in reading the community, rather than pusbing mandates from
16:32 Techrights-sec; on high, he would have noticed that all three moves were strongly opposed.
16:32 Techrights-sec; He did not interact with the community, just made decrees.
16:32 Techrights-sec; Yes, exactly, his task was not to collaborate with but to silence the community.
16:32 Techrights-sec; I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable
16:32 Techrights-sec; side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate
16:32 schestowitz-TR; the goal was not to listen
16:32 schestowitz-TR; or to manage
16:32 schestowitz-TR; but to silence
16:32 schestowitz-TR; or to do 'british genleman' trademark enforcement against "Satanic Edition"
16:32 Techrights-sec; I can't say that the microsoftianism was a direct goal but merely an unavoidable
16:32 Techrights-sec; side effect of such misbehavior and inappropriate priorities
16:36 psydroid2; Microsoft tries to clone and own what's popular and works
16:37 psydroid2; they've been doing this since the very beginning
16:37 psydroid2; so no one should be surprised they did it to GNU/Linux as well
16:38 psydroid2; I wouldn't be surprised if they presented themselves as a Linux company in the future, if they haven't already been doing so for the past decade
17:05 Techrights-sec; ack
17:27 schestowitz-TR; regarding debian
17:27 schestowitz-TR; the distruption comes from sexists and tranphobes
17:27 schestowitz-TR; whop were outspoken transphobes until their dick disagreed
17:27 schestowitz-TR; before they git it on with one
17:48 schestowitz-TR; I've long been suspicious of the "Cambridge Group" too
17:48 schestowitz-TR; slang term, made up
17:48 schestowitz-TR; Cambridge does have a throving industry for stuff that uses Debian
17:48 schestowitz-TR; but it's political role and connection to spy agents is no theory, it's an open secret
17:48 schestowitz-TR; some people who are based there played a big role in the RMS coup
17:48 schestowitz-TR; and some, not all, are close to LF and USA
17:48 schestowitz-TR; they are also mutually coordinated, they have BBQ parties and such
17:48 schestowitz-TR; we mentioned this or alludded to this before
17:48 schestowitz-TR; other distros don't seem to have such a considerably role there
17:49 schestowitz-TR; Debian is an American distro, made by someone born in germany
17:49 schestowitz-TR; iirc, the third DPL was from cambridge
17:49 schestowitz-TR; the first two were americans
17:57 schestowitz-TR; the problem per se is not geographical proximity but social proximity
17:57 schestowitz-TR; which is easily provably by photos they publish from parties
17:57 schestowitz-TR; many code debian people are there
17:57 schestowitz-TR; *corer
17:57 schestowitz-TR; *core
17:58 psydroid2; Cambridge Massachusetts?
18:01 Techrights-sec; ack
18:01 schestowitz-TR; Cambridgeshire
18:02 schestowitz-TR; steve mcintyre
18:02 schestowitz-TR; ian
18:02 schestowitz-TR; and many others
18:02 schestowitz-TR; even the release manager
18:02 schestowitz-TR; the ousted (from debian) are often germans
18:02 schestowitz-TR; or swiss
18:03 schestowitz-TR; so I think there might be a bit of a clique formign there
18:03 schestowitz-TR; cliques are never good for universal, global projects
18:03 schestowitz-TR; let alone for workplaces
18:03 schestowitz-TR; that's why some employers shuffle workers around
18:06 *psydroid2 considers it dangerous to build critical infrastructure on top of a purportedly global operating system heavily and perhaps even primarily dependent on US developers
18:12 Techrights-sec; ack
18:12 schestowitz-TR; psydroid2: maybe that's why china abandons this case
18:12 schestowitz-TR; kylin -> ubuntu -> debian
18:12 schestowitz-TR; deepin -> debian
18:13 schestowitz-TR; deepin is moving to arch, iirc
18:13 schestowitz-TR; of just its own base
18:13 schestowitz-TR; *or
18:13 schestowitz-TR; /case/base/
18:13 Techrights-sec; ack
18:16 schestowitz-TR; of note:
18:16 schestowitz-TR; there was a high-profile mailing list discussion in debian
18:16 schestowitz-TR; it was about how to know who's a spy inside debian
18:16 schestowitz-TR; jake appelbaum brought that up before he was "deleted"
18:16 schestowitz-TR; and then it was brought up again by daniel pocok and others
18:16 schestowitz-TR; the answer is, you don't know
18:16 schestowitz-TR; debian does not know
18:16 schestowitz-TR; and people can just upload anything
18:16 schestowitz-TR; there is barely peer review
18:16 schestowitz-TR; a lot of blind trust
18:16 schestowitz-TR; when the discussion intensified steve mcintyre SUDDENLY wrote a long post, WITHIN HOURS, about firmware polict
18:16 schestowitz-TR; This was perceived to be a sudden effort to change the subject
18:17 schestowitz-TR; the media then helped steve changed the subject
18:17 schestowitz-TR; within a day the original subject was suppressed
18:17 schestowitz-TR; but proving the correlation isn't simply
18:17 schestowitz-TR; based on guit feeling
18:17 schestowitz-TR; it seemed like steve had written that as a draft long beforehand
18:17 schestowitz-TR; and unleashed it to change the subjecy with the media's help
18:18 Techrights-sec; probably a contributing factor in his untimely end as a developer
18:18 Techrights-sec; there used to be a bit of vetting in projects, now even microsofters get in
18:18 Techrights-sec; canonical/ubuntu was champing at the bit to have an excuse to give microsofters
18:18 Techrights-sec; MOTU access and looked to be helping accelerate the process instead of
18:18 Techrights-sec; circling the wagons and fending them off
18:18 Techrights-sec; likely
18:18 Techrights-sec; yes, with the help of the media
18:20 schestowitz-TR; so clause number x is no longer "we don't hide issue"
18:20 schestowitz-TR; but
18:20 schestowitz-TR; don'\t you bring up anything that can lead to doubts about our reputation/people/leadership/safety
18:20 schestowitz-TR; which is basically the exact opposite
18:20 schestowitz-TR; the ones at the top (if you charted the heiracrchy in debian today, it's lots of cambridge)
18:20 schestowitz-TR; can say and do anything they want to the ones at the bottom
18:20 schestowitz-TR; that's coc in action
18:20 schestowitz-TR; they are not only exempt, they take advantage of that
18:20 schestowitz-TR; same as EPO with immunity+impunity
18:22 Techrights-sec; CoCs are applied asymmetrically by intent, there was never any intention
18:22 Techrights-sec; to use them as advertised and pretty much everyone involved seemed to be
18:22 Techrights-sec; aware. The proponents knew they could abuse it to meet their ends and the
18:22 Techrights-sec; opponents knew it would be weaponized and badly abbused.
18:23 Techrights-sec; for politcial ends and interfere (on purpose) with development and project
18:23 Techrights-sec; control
18:23 schestowitz-TR; EPO has had "Code of Conduct" for about a decade
18:23 schestowitz-TR; Battistelli used that similarly
18:23 schestowitz-TR; while violating his own CoC
18:28 schestowitz-TR; spamnil boosting utter shit from accenture this afternoon
18:28 schestowitz-TR; some "guests"
18:28 schestowitz-TR; in need of 10 viewers
18:28 Techrights-sec; Accenture is basically a front for M$ sales. They're expensive as hell,
18:28 Techrights-sec; they're slow to produce results, and at the end of the project the deliverable
18:28 Techrights-sec; barely works if it works at all, due to being built around m$ products
18:28 Techrights-sec; instead of around the customer's needs.
18:29 Techrights-sec; Not going to click on spamnil nor even lookup what is latest. He's a waste
18:29 Techrights-sec; of time except to track how the LF is using him to degrade the brand and
18:29 Techrights-sec; trademark through his antics.
18:36 schestowitz-TR; I don't like, I save people the legwork by summarising what I factually observe
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and it does matter, for more than the reason you mention
18:36 schestowitz-TR; it also says a lot about YouTube
18:36 schestowitz-TR; /s/like/link
18:36 schestowitz-TR; the other observed fact is,
18:36 schestowitz-TR; how they censor linux, but not a clickfraud spammer whose "views" are 95% fake
18:36 schestowitz-TR; and how they censor doctors who say facts
18:36 schestowitz-TR; to the point where most of their videos can be just them reading the guilines, parising them, and efending themselves
18:36 schestowitz-TR; *praising
18:36 schestowitz-TR; reminds me of chinese dissents on the dock
18:36 schestowitz-TR; or that chinese journalist who was filmed next to another lady rolling her eyes very visibly
18:36 Techrights-sec; That observation on the behavior of Google/YouTube is very important to drive
18:36 Techrights-sec; home. Many mistakenly believe that they are presented with or finding on their
18:36 Techrights-sec; own a representative sample of what's out there. The reality is very different
18:36 Techrights-sec; and very anti-FOSS. For example, just try finding even known videos of FOSS
18:36 Techrights-sec; conferences.
18:39 schestowitz-TR; when I search it via invidious (Same results) the pags are truly awful
18:39 schestowitz-TR; loits of hostile stuff, crap, and totally unrelated
18:39 schestowitz-TR; you don't feel like the results come from people who even understand the area
18:39 schestowitz-TR; but then again it is optimised to sell ads (engagement) rather than deliver relevant material
18:39 schestowitz-TR; iow, it's about econopmics
18:39 schestowitz-TR; if you bought brittania as a subscription
18:39 schestowitz-TR; and they charged you by number of page flips, there would not be an incentive to save you time
18:39 schestowitz-TR; brittanica
18:40 Techrights-sec; Rather there would be a disincentive.
18:43 schestowitz-TR; the reason I started tracking those videos was the defacing of linux.com using those vidoes ("shows")
18:43 schestowitz-TR; which he advertises or advertised using linux.com
18:43 schestowitz-TR; it's like the site got stolen to promote a fraud
18:43 schestowitz-TR; and his "Sales"
18:43 schestowitz-TR; then again, Sheela Mirosoft did even worse
18:43 schestowitz-TR; we're dealing with sociopaths anfrauds managing the inage of the brand us geeks spent decades promoting, pro gratis
18:47 Techrights-sec; "like the site got stolen to promote a fraud" -- that's it in a nutshell
18:47 schestowitz-TR; linux.com is basically dead now
18:47 schestowitz-TR; it was a waste of time to those too busy counting their money
18:47 schestowitz-TR; and memorising speeches about thanking Microsoft
18:47 schestowitz-TR; now they are overprovisioned by several factors and can lessen the hosting costs
18:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe microsoft can arrange for them a VM in azure
18:50 schestowitz-TR; ---
18:50 schestowitz-TR; media not gets sued for 'insulting' companies that replace real (paper) voting with toys that can be remotely manipulated, even from abroad
18:50 schestowitz-TR; *now gets
18:50 schestowitz-TR; they also use the term "election deniers" so you know it's a pretty serious offence
18:50 schestowitz-TR; likke stuffing people into ovens
18:56 psydroid2; as long as the US is the top dog in the capitalist race to the bottom they can (try to) set the rules for the rest of the world
18:56 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsoft Windows TCO: "Confirms the FBI and CISA have no reporting to suggest cyber activity has ever prevented a registered voter from casting a ballot, compromised the integrity of any ballots cast, or affected the accuracy of voter registration information." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/10/05/fbi-and-cisa-publish-psa-malicious-cyber-activity-against-election
18:56 psydroid2; https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/
18:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | FBI and CISA Publish a PSA on Malicious Cyber Activity Against Election Infrastructure | CISA
18:56 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.investopedia.com | Countries by GDP: The Top 25 Economies in the World
18:57 schestowitz-TR; this just in, timing a coincidence!
19:02 schestowitz-TR; I think this statement is hailarious because it is issued by agencies that meddle with elections processes overseas :-)
19:02 schestowitz-TR; many run WIndows
19:02 schestowitz-TR; "we're resistant, don't worry!!"
19:02 schestowitz-TR; also: "we respect election outcomes!!"
19:02 Techrights-sec; And indirectly with domestic processes by not just tolerating but protecting
19:02 Techrights-sec; m$
19:02 schestowitz-TR; https://www.npr.org/2022/09/08/1121682138/a-hacker-bought-a-voting-machine-on-ebay-michigan-officials-are-now-investigatin
19:02 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.npr.org | A hacker bought a voting machine on eBay. Michigan officials are now investigating : NPR
19:05 schestowitz-TR; CIA: we especially think our diamond sponsor bill gates ;-)
19:05 schestowitz-TR; *thank
19:09 Techrights-sec; ack
19:11 schestowitz-TR; over time, as the fascists do in fact grow in numbers (See italy and others in europe), it gets hard to maintain the perception oif election integrity,
19:11 schestowitz-TR; access to ustice, free press, and success of capitalism
19:11 schestowitz-TR; so we'll have more 3- and 4-letter agencies medddling to shape the narrative around obviously broken system
19:11 schestowitz-TR; which in turn discreditsd them
19:11 schestowitz-TR; WHO has an awful reputation since 2020
19:11 schestowitz-TR; it's perceoved to be little but a lobby/front group of corporations, like UN's WIPO
19:13 schestowitz-TR; the media pushes towards outcomes
19:13 schestowitz-TR; that in itself is not always sinister
19:13 schestowitz-TR; but if the outcomes are chosen by clients, then it's a problem
19:13 schestowitz-TR; like FB+CA for Brexit
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