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10:08 schestowitz-TR2; gearrice is a spam site
10:08 schestowitz-TR2; ignore it
11:12 Techrights-sec; ok adding it to the list
11:13 Techrights-sec; There is now a prototype image fetcher. It takes a URL as an argument.
11:13 Techrights-sec; I'm not sure, yet, how to tie it into the current work flow. It needs
11:13 Techrights-sec; hard testing first, anyway.
11:13 Techrights-sec; It outputs the markup for the thumbnail and / or image
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; thanks!
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; I've tried running it
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; from its location
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; from my owqn homedit
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; with url
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; without url
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; with perl before
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; and without (implicity, in the file)
11:18 schestowitz-TR2; I get error messages so far
11:18 Techrights-sec; checking
11:18 Techrights-sec; oops. it needs the matching file in /var/www/tux/machines.org/db
11:18 Techrights-sec; just a sec
11:19 schestowitz-TR2; yes, I got some errors to that effect,l depending on what I tried
11:26 Techrights-sec; ok should work now
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; it seems to work!
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; is the thumbnail for index pages?
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; oh, wait... I see now, the image references its own full scale version
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; that is good
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; I've cretaed zsh aliases for all users too
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; for add and update
11:33 schestowitz-TR2; rianne will be busy with the second exam till thurs, so I will post more
11:33 Techrights-sec; excellent
11:33 Techrights-sec; The thumbnail is for the post itself. The idea is that the page should
11:33 Techrights-sec; not serve up a giant, wasteful image that's justgoing to be rendered down
11:33 Techrights-sec; in the browser anyway -- unless the visitor actively wishes to see the full
11:33 Techrights-sec; image.
11:33 Techrights-sec; Right now it only works with http / https URLs
11:33 Techrights-sec; nice
11:33 Techrights-sec; this is still in the early phase and needs a lot of work before rolling out
11:33 Techrights-sec; also the work flow must be tweaked first so that it will fit in
11:34 Techrights-sec; Ok. I hope she does well on the next exam too
11:36 schestowitz-TR2; the second exam is easier and she wants to get a perfect score or almost perfect
11:36 schestowitz-TR2; which is possible
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; I am going to knock on it for a bit, in real-time [sic] scenarioa
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; idea: the shell wrapped can invoke it prior to metadata
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; "Does this page have an image?"
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; Supply url...
11:38 schestowitz-TR2; maybe it can even preload that into nano, I'm not sure
11:49 Techrights-sec; yes, I think that might be the approach. The workflow around nano will need
11:49 Techrights-sec; minor adjustment first though.
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; excellent, I'm so happy about this and rianne looks forward to having images restored to her workflow
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; if the workflow is fast, then even cluster pages I'll add images to
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; btw, we just did a long run around the area, non-stop, sent parcel (sale), and fed many geese
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; it's an unusually sunny day, so we took advantage
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; the next 3 days she'll study to perfect the mock exams
11:52 schestowitz-TR2; for the pevious one we practiced togehter, it was for spoken english, not "life in the uk"
11:55 Techrights-sec; Great.
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; success! just added our first page, today's howtos, with the perl-processed routine for the image
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; the image is clickable
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; I'll think hard of workflow
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; and ask rianne for input as well
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; I know her previous workflow and wrote her some bash and dialog tools for it
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; going through the LF IRS stuff, I recognise the wordpress workflow is all wrong
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; same for social control media
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; for quicker output and better effect the tools need to be custom-made
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; for dozens of posts per day, less f**ing around with GUIs and more pipes instead
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; I spent a lot of time fighting with wordpress over things that are rigid, like choosing image
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; dimensionsn categories etc.
12:07 schestowitz-TR2; drupal 7-9 are even worse in that regard (I know them from work)
12:18 Techrights-sec; thanks
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; I've changes the image crontab to retrieve from /i
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; I am guessing that in due court we might make some subdirs there
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; as you can expect about 10k new images per year
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; x2 (thumbnails)
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; these images will have historic value as 5-10 years down the line few of these sites are still online
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; all that remains is the gist and maybe an image
12:23 Techrights-sec; excellent
12:23 Techrights-sec; probably
12:23 Techrights-sec; maybe that should be done sooner than later perhaps by year or year+month
12:23 Techrights-sec; is granular enough?
12:23 Techrights-sec; ack
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; if you add dir death, be sure not to move any existing files, as that would break links
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; likewise, "Features" can stay as it is
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; maybe one day we'll use that mostly for Feature articles where we put PDFs and such
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; where "i" (image) is not the right processing class or dir name
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; I do plan to use the spare time to write some original material
12:25 schestowitz-TR2; this pas weekend I slept a lot more than usual
12:28 Techrights-sec; checking
12:28 Techrights-sec; testing != production
12:28 Techrights-sec; don't add anymore that you expect to keep until later
12:28 Techrights-sec; more changes are needed first to the script, then to the work flow, then
12:28 Techrights-sec; to the script again
12:28 Techrights-sec; Original material is highly valuable even if difficult and time consuming
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; a) yes, I will dop originals
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; the drupal 6 UI was never great for blogging
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; took a long time to teach, not just to use
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; b) I on ly added two images with the new tool
12:31 Techrights-sec; okthanks
12:31 Techrights-sec; ack
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; I'll now go back to the old way
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; consider them 2 tests, and they worked
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; c) the latest two pages (Ubuntu and howtos)
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; demonstrate how it came out
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; I'll soon do today's second batch of Daily Links
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; I finished 4 stright days at 'work' (I no longer do much, I try to 'protest' but they don't get it)
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; I will probably add some "daily gemini" post to tuxmachines at some stage
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; for only the technical gemini posts of the day
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; I reckon there's over a dozen per 1-2 days
12:31 schestowitz-TR2; but need disclaimer added for those who don't know how to open the links
12:34 Techrights-sec; disclaimer or a short guide to acquiring a gemini client
12:34 schestowitz-TR2; it would be similar to the one liner we use in techrights Daily Links
12:34 schestowitz-TR2; maybe even the exact same text
12:34 schestowitz-TR2; and some image banner that -- long with the title -- makes it clear it's mostly for the gemini:// userbase/side
12:34 schestowitz-TR2; maybe some stories can 'seduce' readers into downloading a client
12:34 schestowitz-TR2; the front page of www.tuxmachines.org puts gemini prominently at the top right
12:34 Techrights-sec; and a brief overview of the idea and goals behind the project
12:34 Techrights-sec; Yes the idea would be to pique interest in it
12:47 schestowitz-TR2; ...come to think of it, no need to wait, I can experiment already adding gemini links to TM
12:47 schestowitz-TR2; then see how the links get handled by the gem side of the site/platform
12:47 Techrights-sec; Only just a few, for the start. If there are too many without a populare move
12:47 Techrights-sec; to adopt it, their presence will just irritate people.
12:48 Techrights-sec; But a few now and then would be good for a test of the reception by people and
12:48 Techrights-sec; to see how the site generator deals with them.
12:49 schestowitz-TR2; I will cherry-pick from this past weekend... eta 5 mins
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; ok, see the latest page, in gemini:// is gives headings correctly but they lack a URI
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; it probably scans only for httpX and not gemini/gopher
13:02 schestowitz-TR2; ok, had to edit a few times for html to look better
13:11 Techrights-sec; checking
13:11 Techrights-sec; which URL points to a page demonstrating the problem?
13:11 Techrights-sec; It processes gemini:// links, or at least is supposed to but will append
13:11 Techrights-sec; the curled arrow to 'external' links which use http https
13:11 Techrights-sec; Seems ok:
13:11 Techrights-sec; gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Gemini_Articles_of_Interest.gmi
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; aha
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; unless you changed the code
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; the issue was with my hypertext/markup
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; and fixing that in turn fixed the gemini page too
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; so we're good to go
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; I put aside template text for this
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; will keep the headline consistent so people can easily filter it out
13:22 schestowitz-TR2; if they loathe gemini/gopher
13:49 Techrights-sec; the code is still the same since the 3rd
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; would it be worth reusing some of these thumbnail-sized images in techrights daily links? I think it would complicate things for gemini @ TR
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; and add some bloat
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; upon further thinking it would overcomplicate the workflow too much if inline images were added to Daily Links
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; severel programs already parse through it
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; I was thinking earlier, maybe we can add the [Source] -> [Headline] pair based on Camelcase in TuxMachines
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; the processing might be similar and it adds a better understanding of what source links come from
13:51 schestowitz-TR2; so they don't have to click if they hate the publisher
13:54 Techrights-sec; ack
13:54 Techrights-sec; Since there is no javascript, the domain should still be visible when hovering
13:54 Techrights-sec; over links.
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; yes, but without browser extensions that would be tedious and maybe gemini clients do not have this functionality
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; it is efort-free once put in place and we already have the domain 'dictionaries'
13:56 schestowitz-TR2; btw, there is still an android "app" for tuxmachines
13:56 schestowitz-TR2; but it is not advertised much as it's not privacy-safe
13:56 schestowitz-TR2; it's mostly a preloaded rss reader with some branding added
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14:02 schestowitz-TR2; rant; michael west published 8 posts this morning
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; only one is original, the rest is AAP
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; they're 'diluting' the feed
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; if I wanted (A)AP, I'd fucking subscribe to fucking AP (which I would NOT)
14:25 schestowitz-TR2; gonna write a short original in tm to explain we have some gemini clusters and what gemini is
14:25 Techrights-sec; ack
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14:59 Techrights-sec; <techrights-news> FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html
14:59 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fsfe.org | Broad alliance demands: Digitization must serve social and ecological change - FSFE
14:59 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> FSFE: we used to fight for Software Freedom (before slandering the founder of the movement), now we take bribes from Microsoft, hire lawyers to threaten our critics, and promote veganism/green agenda https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220905-01.en.html
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16:29 Techrights-sec; "Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue"
16:29 Techrights-sec; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/05/Tux_Machines_in_Gemini_gemini_tuxmachines_org.shtml
16:29 Techrights-sec; If it's got scripts it should be removed then
16:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Tux Machines in Gemini (gemini.tuxmachines.org)"
16:30 schestowitz-TR2; the cerf of the proxy itself is bust
16:30 schestowitz-TR2; I noticed that
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; good news and ODF in draft
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; the issue is not scripts but susa site having expired certificate
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; afaik, he does not use JS
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; the pages are generated by calling a SERVEY site script called proxy or Proxy
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; wait, isn't that the same proxy software you modeled yours after?
16:43 schestowitz-TR2; i forget whose code was sent to us as a tarball
16:55 Techrights-sec; checking
16:55 Techrights-sec; no, it is this:
16:55 Techrights-sec; https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini.tuxmachines.org
16:55 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Missing content type. Ignoring.
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19:24 schestowitz-TR2; As usual, Wikipedia is basically a bunch of ads regarding corporations and political figures. Wikipedia is decent as reference for science, language, but for political history and corporations never ever bother with Wikipedia.
19:24 schestowitz-TR2; Wikipedia 2002: new site anyone can edit. Wikipedia 2012: a well-known site many PR agencies edit. Wikipedia 2022: ads.
19:25 schestowitz-TR2; Wikipedia is a collection of ads anyone can temporarily edit. The advertisers will revert back any changes which interfere with the ads' value.
19:26 Techrights-sec; Yep. Emphasis on temporarily edit.
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