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01:20 Techrights-sec; There are over a hundred distros based directly on Debian:
01:20 Techrights-sec; https://distrowatch.com/search.php?basedon=Debian
01:21 Techrights-sec; Then if you count the distros based on those, there are hundreds more.
01:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.
01:26 schestowitz-TR; I put that in TM because it's important to give visibility to critics too
01:26 schestowitz-TR; we're not a cult like ICBM or Microsoft
01:28 Techrights-sec; Debian's central position in the ecology (so to speak) makes it a very valuable
01:28 Techrights-sec; target; As it gets taken over, more unscrupulous individuals get involved
01:28 Techrights-sec; and fewer technically skilled; It becomes about exploitation, technical at
01:28 Techrights-sec; first ...
01:28 Techrights-sec; IMHO that is one of the reasons IBM targeted it for systemd. The derivatives
01:28 Techrights-sec; then fell like dominos. Some skullduggery went on with the vote, if you reall,
01:28 Techrights-sec; as systemd wasn't even in the TC's top three choices yet 1) it was chosen by
01:28 Techrights-sec; one person and 2) everyone both in and out of the technical committee,
01:28 Techrights-sec; with few exceptions, drove it home, 3) those few exceptions objecting to
01:28 Techrights-sec; the flawed process or the flawed product were hounded out of the project and
01:28 Techrights-sec; the community.
01:37 schestowitz-TR; need sleep, voting tomorrow around 9am
01:42 schestowitz-TR; bb in a few hours
01:42 schestowitz-TR; doing a full (first) backup of 'bubi', the new PC with OSB on it
01:42 schestowitz-TR; the critical data and files is safe through redundancy
01:42 schestowitz-TR; I trust magnetic more than SD and SSD
01:42 schestowitz-TR; speeds don't matter if the life is short
01:42 schestowitz-TR; it is very time-consuming having to move all the data from one machine to another
01:43 Techrights-sec; ack
01:43 Techrights-sec; yes magnetic is better in many regards, just monitor the output from
01:43 Techrights-sec; smartmonctl occasionally
01:43 Techrights-sec; slow especially if the network is not 1Gb/s or faster.
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08:39 schestowitz-TR; Wow! Campinos with his tamtrum has scored a massive own goal
08:39 schestowitz-TR; It not only hurts him and the Office but also UPC
08:39 schestowitz-TR; The EFF has said nothing for a week
08:39 schestowitz-TR; but not they give assurances and try to keep it "internal"
08:39 schestowitz-TR; (yes, of course there will be leaks, there's no "internal" for EPO anymore)
08:39 schestowitz-TR; great stuff!
08:39 schestowitz-TR; I said EFF, I meant EPO
08:39 schestowitz-TR; this freudian slip says something about EFF
08:39 schestowitz-TR; EFF has blasted reporters like Assange, in a sense, after Barlow (Assange friend) was gone
08:39 schestowitz-TR; although not directly
08:39 schestowitz-TR; then there was thr RMS stance and boosting of Microsoft + proxies
08:39 schestowitz-TR; EFF is another Mozilla
08:40 Techrights-sec; Finally!
08:40 Techrights-sec; Remember that in politics on of the tactics is to get the opponent to lose his
08:40 Techrights-sec; cool.
08:40 Techrights-sec; The EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing.
08:40 Techrights-sec; Ah. Makes more sense now, but still the EFF has been a cascade of disappointments since Barlow's passing.
08:45 Techrights-sec; Skimming corporate money while swaning around doing the opposite of their
08:45 Techrights-sec; charter?
08:45 Techrights-sec; ^swanning
08:50 schestowitz-TR; It's a short-term, short-sighted "business" model
08:50 schestowitz-TR; you get money from the defection from A to B
08:50 schestowitz-TR; A stops paying
08:50 schestowitz-TR; B pays for thedefection to influence A
08:50 schestowitz-TR; A goes away
08:50 schestowitz-TR; B stops paying because A cannot be infleunced anymore
08:51 schestowitz-TR; the real way to go about is, keep A happy
08:51 schestowitz-TR; That was was you org was for all along
08:51 schestowitz-TR; (ex. OSI)
08:58 Techrights-sec; That's the superficial business model. What the sponsors are really paying for
08:58 Techrights-sec; is for the institution to alienate its userbase, betray its raison d'tre,
08:58 Techrights-sec; and burn bridges with its former community. Once the situation is irrevocable
08:58 Techrights-sec; they will have gotten their money's worth and can withdraw support and
08:58 Techrights-sec; let the institution die. The stenographers will then dutiifully report
08:58 Techrights-sec; that there is not public support for the institution and therefore it has
08:58 Techrights-sec; declined, fully deflecting from the subversion.
09:20 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> EFF covers abortion. I remember when EFF was something rather different... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access | Source: EFF
09:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Digital Security and Privacy Tips for Those Involved in Abortion Access | Electronic Frontier Foundation
09:20 schestowitz-TR; going to vote in a moment (pen and paper)
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11:42 schestowitz-TR; back but afk
11:43 schestowitz-TR; i was wrongg
11:43 schestowitz-TR; cheap roast 227g is 1.09
11:43 schestowitz-TR; good ones
11:43 schestowitz-TR; 1.49
11:43 schestowitz-TR; soy 1 lit. 55p
11:43 schestowitz-TR; cheaper than i remembered
11:43 schestowitz-TR; got loads of these
11:43 schestowitz-TR; for months
11:43 schestowitz-TR; cooking oil limited to 3 bottles now
11:43 schestowitz-TR; need to ask staff
11:43 schestowitz-TR; bbl
11:43 schestowitz-TR; properly back niw
11:43 Techrights-sec; ack
11:43 Techrights-sec; nice
11:43 Techrights-sec; o/
11:43 Techrights-sec; ack
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12:41 schestowitz-TR; you did not click the billbc link
12:41 schestowitz-TR; I did, saw jkust the summary
12:41 schestowitz-TR; I put my comments in IRC -social
12:41 schestowitz-TR; BBC will die in a prison
12:41 schestowitz-TR; it's like Mozilla and EFF
12:41 schestowitz-TR; they will fall on their sowrd
12:41 schestowitz-TR; savile didn't kill them
12:41 schestowitz-TR; this might
12:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe it'll even become cautionary tale
12:41 Techrights-sec; which is sad becaue decades ago it was a rather good service
12:41 Techrights-sec; at least three decades ago ...
12:41 Techrights-sec; not two or less ...
12:43 schestowitz-TR; I listened as a kid
12:43 schestowitz-TR; it was OK
12:43 schestowitz-TR; nowhere near this cesspool
12:43 schestowitz-TR; gossip, COVID misinformation, whitewashing perverts
12:43 schestowitz-TR; this is the "exist strategy" = sel out
12:43 Techrights-sec; Around 2 decades ago BBC World was utter crap already
12:44 schestowitz-TR; I thought doing some response or meme, or...
12:44 schestowitz-TR; but anything of this kind would give attention to something
12:44 schestowitz-TR; I will just put it deeper in the ashtray
12:46 Techrights-sec; some short response for Gemini
12:46 Techrights-sec; it' already chock full of microsofters, so the writing has been on the wall
12:46 Techrights-sec; and given the trajectory it is on, the demise is unavoidable without culling
12:46 Techrights-sec; management -- i.e. inevitable and just a question of when not if
12:48 schestowitz-TR; they have not been keeping up with the times. I think you saw digi-vegan's comment
12:48 schestowitz-TR; he used to work there
12:48 schestowitz-TR; if they mentioned the savile thing (before it was widely known), they'd risk
12:48 schestowitz-TR; getting sacked
12:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe I should refer to the whole BBC as
12:48 Techrights-sec; yes
12:48 Techrights-sec; gates, savile
12:48 schestowitz-TR; The Bill & Savile Broadcasting Corp.
12:48 schestowitz-TR; people would get the references, I think
12:49 schestowitz-TR; the key point is, remind people what bbc did for savile
12:49 schestowitz-TR; and that it takes bribes from gates
12:49 schestowitz-TR; and has learned no lessons sense
12:49 schestowitz-TR; *since
12:52 Techrights-sec; yes it seems very much so
12:53 schestowitz-TR; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/05/04/strength-in-numbers | Source:
12:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-meduza.io | NO TITLE
13:02 Techrights-sec; ack
13:02 Techrights-sec;
13:04 schestowitz-TR; my thinking here is,
13:04 schestowitz-TR; get upset less
13:04 schestowitz-TR; do more
13:04 schestowitz-TR; make them pay for it
13:04 schestowitz-TR; I can make them pay for it a little at the time, over the next 5 years
13:04 schestowitz-TR; it adds up
13:04 schestowitz-TR; leah already gets very upset in IRC (at BBC)
13:04 schestowitz-TR; maybe the anger will come out at gates
13:04 schestowitz-TR; not RMS
13:04 Techrights-sec; ack
13:04 Techrights-sec; good approach
13:04 Techrights-sec; keep working away at it
13:04 Techrights-sec; leah does very good work and at very important tasks, from what I read
13:07 schestowitz-TR; I regard a lot of the anti, then pro, than anti-RMS period (all of tyhem AFTER 2014, mind you!)
13:07 schestowitz-TR; to be attention-seeking, based on her own words, too
13:07 schestowitz-TR; basically using the high-profile name to publicise oneself
13:07 schestowitz-TR; the media has this tactic and people who exploit the media too
13:07 schestowitz-TR; even slapping someone at the oscars can make an old "star"
13:07 schestowitz-TR; that nobody has given a shit about for over 10 years suddently
13:07 schestowitz-TR; the most spoken about person, for at least a week
13:07 schestowitz-TR; without having broken any law
13:11 Techrights-sec; ack
13:11 Techrights-sec; the slap was assault but my cynical idea is that it was mostly a publicity stunt
13:11 Techrights-sec; there have been no actual repercussions
13:11 Techrights-sec; not that charges would have been anything more than an inconvenience to someone
13:11 Techrights-sec; as wealthy as he appears to be
13:11 Techrights-sec; anyway, I think that there is growing acknowledgement that RMS was thrown under
13:11 Techrights-sec; the bus, but not publicly nor is there awareness about why -- both the coup
13:11 Techrights-sec; to take over FOSS and the protection of Bill
13:11 schestowitz-TR; it was not just harmful to Rock but to the image of black people
13:12 schestowitz-TR; the White Supremacists benefited a lot
13:12 schestowitz-TR; like "see, they don't belong in this class..."
13:12 schestowitz-TR; the coup and the distraction are not over
13:12 schestowitz-TR; they are still work in progress 3 years on
13:13 Techrights-sec; :(
13:13 Techrights-sec; There were some fediverse posts about HN takeovers too
13:13 Techrights-sec; but social control media in any form is just hearsay
13:13 schestowitz-TR; HN is already taken over by bad actor s(y combinator)
13:14 schestowitz-TR; and is rather useless
13:14 schestowitz-TR; I don't know why anyone would wish get news through that site
13:16 Techrights-sec; I don't. However, I did see one of the former principals' posts complaining
13:16 Techrights-sec; about it but even he did not see what kind of takeover it was and was still
13:16 Techrights-sec; taking it personally
13:16 Techrights-sec; He was naively, like I often do myself, considering things to be technical
13:16 Techrights-sec; rather than the ICt being a menas of power and political control
13:18 schestowitz-TR; we still talk about HN, right?
13:18 schestowitz-TR; (me puts some roast on; bought 7 packs today, different varities/blends)
13:18 schestowitz-TR; to be clearm, HN does bring a lot of traffic
13:18 schestowitz-TR; potenbtially a million hits in a day
13:18 schestowitz-TR; a lot more than any other site, inc. slashdot, where # of comments can mislead somewhat
13:22 Techrights-sec; yes
13:22 Techrights-sec; I don't read HN since it is a garbage site with enforced anti-FOSS bias and
13:22 Techrights-sec; filters
13:22 Techrights-sec; Oh, it is widely read by others, to be sure, but that does not mean it is
13:22 Techrights-sec; a clean site nor unproblematic
13:27 schestowitz-TR; I'll say something foolish on the surface
13:27 schestowitz-TR; there is unwanted or impure traffic
13:27 schestowitz-TR; traffic for the sake of traffic is a bad measure
13:27 schestowitz-TR; there is wanted attention
13:28 schestowitz-TR; and unwanted (Smityh, Reiser... not the same thing, I know)
13:28 schestowitz-TR; Twitter did bring some unwanted attention
13:28 schestowitz-TR; I wrote about it 2 years ago in relation to cancel culture
13:28 schestowitz-TR; they can gang up on people (lawn too for that matter) to stigmatise them
13:28 schestowitz-TR; with labels and all
13:28 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to name examples, but we both know of some
13:28 schestowitz-TR; once you get labeled, behind your back or without your oinvolvement (being ON the platform can worsen things)
13:28 schestowitz-TR; it's hard to shake it off
13:28 schestowitz-TR; if you are not in the platform, it's in absentia
13:28 schestowitz-TR; if you're on there, you can be tagged and then expected to reply
13:28 schestowitz-TR; and a lack of reply too is a reply
13:28 schestowitz-TR; the original UPC complainanty kept his distance
13:28 schestowitz-TR; no public speaking, just his personal site, PDF form publications,
13:28 schestowitz-TR; and submissions to courts
13:28 schestowitz-TR; but occasionally speaking behind the scenes to journalists
13:28 schestowitz-TR; when confronting rogue people in LARGE NUMBER with CURATED platform you cannot win
13:28 schestowitz-TR; it's designed from the onset like that
13:28 schestowitz-TR; so you are doomed to "lose"
13:28 Techrights-sec; yes brigading as it is called is part of the cultre there and in social control
13:28 Techrights-sec; media in general
13:28 Techrights-sec; https://youtu.be/zrzMhU_4m-g
13:28 Techrights-sec; curation is a euphemism for maniupulation most of the time
13:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Invidious: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g
13:28 Techrights-sec; by filtering timelines it ensured that only the approved viewpoits are
13:28 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> inv.riverside.rocks | She's a witch! - Invidious
13:28 Techrights-sec; avilable and it gives a false impression of sentiments being other than they
13:28 Techrights-sec; are
13:30 schestowitz-TR; there is also digital 'doping'
13:30 schestowitz-TR; where you do things to drive up numbers
13:30 schestowitz-TR; in the short term
13:30 schestowitz-TR; at high personal expense
13:30 schestowitz-TR; like publishing untrue things
13:34 Techrights-sec; yes
13:35 schestowitz-TR; right now billbc is doping
13:35 schestowitz-TR; right now leah is doiping, for the third time around
13:35 schestowitz-TR; lunduke is a serial doper
13:35 schestowitz-TR; like saying he'd quit twitter so many times
13:35 schestowitz-TR; (he's probably still there)
13:37 schestowitz-TR; last night I told rianne as I was scrolling down phoronix
13:37 schestowitz-TR; that number of comments had declined a lot
13:37 schestowitz-TR; it's the only way for me to estimate traffic
13:37 schestowitz-TR; months ago he started to included a picture in every post
13:37 schestowitz-TR; as if to price up the site and retain the readers
13:38 schestowitz-TR; just by means as superficials as these
13:38 schestowitz-TR; linutoday also experimented with images a few times
13:38 schestowitz-TR; today (see IRC logs) someone asked me to make a copy of the image
13:38 schestowitz-TR; in TM
13:38 schestowitz-TR; instead of HotLinking
13:38 schestowitz-TR; not sure if it made it before the midnight cutoff
13:38 schestowitz-TR; with TM it's fast because we don't copy files
13:38 schestowitz-TR; after a few days few will still access these pages anyway
13:38 Techrights-sec; pictures waste bandwidth and add nothing unless the contain supplementary
13:38 Techrights-sec; information and even then they need to be described directly or indirectly
13:38 Techrights-sec; in the text, not just ALT attributes
13:39 schestowitz-TR; I will record re epo when I'm done doing the daily links
13:40 schestowitz-TR; i think that team upc anmd others are going to get in a lot of trouble
13:40 schestowitz-TR; but they do so mostly at the expense of the eu
13:40 schestowitz-TR; so they take down with them something bigger
13:40 schestowitz-TR; which is unfair
13:40 schestowitz-TR; abortion is like 30% of all US news now
13:42 Techrights-sec; Hotlining is *always* a bad idea
13:42 Techrights-sec; ^hotlinking
13:42 Techrights-sec; yes, thanks to the committee that brought in reagan
13:42 Techrights-sec; they distract from other health care issues to prevent any meaningful discussion
13:42 Techrights-sec; of the big picture
13:42 Techrights-sec; the reagan committee also paid kidnappers to hold hostages longer than necessary
13:42 Techrights-sec; committee is not quite the right word
13:42 Techrights-sec; not scotus but reagan
13:42 schestowitz-TR; covid and ukraine wars are over
13:42 schestowitz-TR; thanks scotus
13:43 Techrights-sec; `https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans
13:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Abortion in America: how it became a partisan issue - Vox
13:44 Techrights-sec; https://text.npr.org/1096719971
13:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-text.npr.org | Abortion wasn't always the politically charged issue it is today
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14:15 schestowitz-TR; some trans person knocks on door
14:15 schestowitz-TR; "csn I speak to roy?"
14:15 schestowitz-TR; I'm here in the dining room
14:15 schestowitz-TR; obviously it's someone visiting about the election
14:15 schestowitz-TR; "I already voted"
14:15 schestowitz-TR; rianne: he wants to know how you voted
14:15 schestowitz-TR; me: I keep it personal
14:15 schestowitz-TR; (I didn't know it was trans until he left and rianne told me)
14:15 schestowitz-TR; so for weeks we get tons of junk mail
14:15 schestowitz-TR; for campaigns
14:15 schestowitz-TR; and now they come knocking like dehovah witnesses
14:15 schestowitz-TR; maybe even worse than last year
14:15 schestowitz-TR; I didn't see the face of anything, but as soon as the knocking started I guessed it
14:15 schestowitz-TR; was election-related nag
14:15 schestowitz-TR; I think asking me how I voted is too nosy
14:15 schestowitz-TR; even if it was "exit poll"
14:15 schestowitz-TR; plus: we still have a virus passing through millions, I want to minimise exposure to people
14:15 schestowitz-TR; for the time being
14:16 Techrights-sec; definitely
14:16 Techrights-sec; and who knows where they are really from
14:19 schestowitz-TR; rianne and I talk about it at the moment
14:19 schestowitz-TR; she mentions how some are paid by parties to survey people
14:19 schestowitz-TR; I joke "it could be a spy even... LOL"
14:19 schestowitz-TR; ransom person passing by asking to speak to me and, failign that, asking how I vote"
14:19 schestowitz-TR; '
14:19 schestowitz-TR; with my first name on paper
14:19 schestowitz-TR; I don't know election rules, but in recent years even the junk mail was very undesirable
14:19 schestowitz-TR; never mind dooor visits
14:19 schestowitz-TR; those can wake a person up
14:19 schestowitz-TR; or be a false alarm
14:20 Techrights-sec; one can work days and hardly ever get an interruption at the door, but working
14:20 Techrights-sec; nights it can often seem like there is a queue in the hallway waiting to
14:20 Techrights-sec; bother the doorbell or knock
14:23 schestowitz-TR; rianne works weekeend basically, I do nights
14:24 schestowitz-TR; next week we'll do the "meeting" (Meet)
14:24 schestowitz-TR; Gulag I assume
14:24 schestowitz-TR; See what they have to offer and decide
14:24 schestowitz-TR; We already discuss other things we can do, since last week in fact
14:24 schestowitz-TR; TM and TR are run very efficiently, I could spare some time to earn the basics
14:48 schestowitz-TR; next thurs. on Gulag meet (yes, proprietary; I might even point that out on the call!)
14:48 schestowitz-TR; we'll see what's on offer and decide whether to take or or leave it... or outright leave
14:48 Techrights-sec; I hope the meeting goes well. BigBlueButton would be another option, it
14:48 Techrights-sec; is better than googemeet and zoom. Maybe it is easy to host on a RPI these
14:48 Techrights-sec; days.
14:54 schestowitz-TR; the probability of leaving is high because even a week ago we spoke about quitting
14:54 schestowitz-TR; before even knowing of any plans, that was just a coincidence
14:54 schestowitz-TR; because rianne was very unhappy about the embrace of Gulag Voice
14:54 schestowitz-TR; which mostly causes stress as it's not reliable liker Asterisk
14:54 schestowitz-TR; and we're not properly listened to, the decisions are not being made
14:54 schestowitz-TR; transparently
14:54 Techrights-sec; ack
14:59 schestowitz-TR; sorry for the ramble etc. I probably won't make the final decision on the spot. 3 people
14:59 schestowitz-TR; whom I spoke to all same more or less the same, but if I cannot keep this very easy job
14:59 schestowitz-TR; or keep this job very simple, it's time to move
14:59 schestowitz-TR; Outsourcing is part of the ongoing journey towards misery or the 'EFF effect'
14:59 schestowitz-TR; so rianne and I knew it would not last forever, even just days before it finally
14:59 schestowitz-TR; materialised, I believe for totally unrelated reasons
14:59 schestowitz-TR; one element here is also pride and principle; some of these clients I outright refuse to work for
14:59 schestowitz-TR; (like passing to a colleague) and it compromises my belief
14:59 schestowitz-TR; like RMS asking people to do things for him
14:59 Techrights-sec; yes
15:00 schestowitz-TR; (of note: it's one of the reasons if not THE reason LXO quit ICBM... I think he didn't like them
15:00 schestowitz-TR; imposing clown things on Red Hat staff)
15:02 schestowitz-TR; /me mentally drafts a post like "Leaving My Job to Do Techrighs Full Time" and explaining
15:02 schestowitz-TR; the rationale and ramifications
15:09 Techrights-sec; again I would suggest setting up a tip jar of sorts at patreon or strip or both
15:09 Techrights-sec; ^stripe
15:09 schestowitz-TR; to be clear, I can point out that all the site's producitity was done for 10 years ith 36-hour-per-week job
15:09 schestowitz-TR; on the side
15:09 schestowitz-TR; but if I take money from readers there might be expectations and demand
15:09 schestowitz-TR; like iam dawe in GoL and Larabel at Phoronix
15:09 schestowitz-TR; that pressure if not healthy, rianne often jokes about Larabel having to write to please
15:09 schestowitz-TR; the sponsors
15:10 Techrights-sec; yes he does, but a tip jar is less pressure and none if one is up front
15:10 Techrights-sec; about goals (or am I too naive in that regard?)
15:12 schestowitz-TR; I can certainly give that a go, but no sooner than 7 days from now when I figure out the situation
15:12 schestowitz-TR; and 'translate' the "BS talk" (they're rarely honest with us, one need to read between the lines)
15:12 schestowitz-TR; I am guesing they wish to keep us with another set of tasks. I.e. much higher output. We've long
15:12 schestowitz-TR; been stagnant in NOC, which was good for us... but the outsourcing was mostly a desperate
15:12 schestowitz-TR; measure to cut costs
15:12 Techrights-sec; https://docs.bigbluebutton.org/2.3/install.html
15:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-docs.bigbluebutton.org | BigBlueButton : Install
15:12 Techrights-sec; BBB is Docker :( :( :(
15:13 schestowitz-TR; Docker means "too compplicated to install, we could not bother to make it easier"
15:13 schestowitz-TR; Ubuntu means "can't install Debian" (true if you have nasty firmware, IME)
15:14 Techrights-sec; ack
15:14 Techrights-sec; yep and full of cruft at that
15:14 Techrights-sec; it means they could not bother even a little
15:14 Techrights-sec; it's basically proprietary software; I had mistaken it for FOSS
15:19 schestowitz-TR; funny story and relevant
15:19 schestowitz-TR; last year or in 2020 the company asked us to study docker and kubernetes
15:19 schestowitz-TR; and sent us links, courses etc.
15:19 schestowitz-TR; rianne even installed the darn thing on her laptop, with 4gb of ram, to tinker
15:19 schestowitz-TR; I cautioned her against it
15:19 schestowitz-TR; later she would also add flatpak and snap
15:19 schestowitz-TR; which are persistent as services
15:20 schestowitz-TR; but never mind that
15:20 schestowitz-TR; the point is, we reckon the company false claimed to possible clients that we had
15:20 schestowitz-TR; the skills ane xperience
15:20 schestowitz-TR; and post-hoc asdked us to study that (they did the same with ansible and kafka)
15:20 schestowitz-TR; I did install kafka on my laptop at one point
15:20 schestowitz-TR; IIRC, kafma started in LinkedIn (before Microsoft) and is now apache
15:20 schestowitz-TR; anyhow, I do know a bit of docker
15:20 schestowitz-TR; it's not impressive, it just assumes infinite resources and while prmising to lower
15:20 schestowitz-TR; complexity it makes things less elegant
15:20 schestowitz-TR; throwing cruft and redundancy at things to compensate for bad design
15:20 schestowitz-TR; flatpak leads to many of the same things being on the same system
15:20 schestowitz-TR; even multiple version of the same thing
15:20 schestowitz-TR; debian was (originally) about shared libraries ands meapackages sorting out the made of deps
15:20 schestowitz-TR; appimages, docker, and sll the rest are a departure from ths appaorahc
15:20 schestowitz-TR; out of laziness
15:20 schestowitz-TR; like the "apps" "ecosystem"
15:20 schestowitz-TR; but nowadays it's noy CS lecturers dictating trends
15:20 schestowitz-TR; but "economists"a and marketing people, who ship as soon as something "runs"
15:20 schestowitz-TR; never mind if it has 64k ports open
15:20 schestowitz-TR; and if it barely works
15:20 schestowitz-TR; it's economics to them, not science
15:20 schestowitz-TR; the EPO syndrome :-
15:20 schestowitz-TR; "if it makes more moneyh,, DO IT!"
15:20 Techrights-sec; Jitsi-Meet seems to fare better: https://download.jitsi.org/stable/
15:20 Techrights-sec; but it seems x86-only
15:20 Techrights-sec; ack
15:20 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.jitsi.org | Index of /stable/
15:20 Techrights-sec; yes
15:20 Techrights-sec; yes, that schools have become followers and not leaders basically means
15:20 Techrights-sec; that society has ended up chasing its own tail in every tightening circles
15:20 Techrights-sec; with no progress forward; a death spiral of extraction as the schools are mined
15:20 Techrights-sec; if it makes more money -- this quarter -- do it!"""
15:23 schestowitz-TR; far-fetched analogy
15:23 schestowitz-TR; but this is why COVID-19 is so widepsread and normalised
15:23 schestowitz-TR; wars all the time(now ukraine, still a total mayhem)
15:23 schestowitz-TR; and poor health [sic] care [sic] not just in the US
15:23 schestowitz-TR; but the media is all about abortion rights at the moment
15:23 schestowitz-TR; (it's a big problem, but they turned it into POLITICS!!!)
15:23 schestowitz-TR; it's not a political issue
15:23 schestowitz-TR; it's "cheaper" to let old people die and younger ones to be crippled
15:23 schestowitz-TR; than to accept lockdowns are better, NZ did that
15:23 schestowitz-TR; we're an island like NZ
15:24 Techrights-sec; yes red herrings work to draw people away from matters of substance
15:24 Techrights-sec; or more accurately away from the /real/ core issues
15:24 Techrights-sec; Everything is being politicized these days
15:33 schestowitz-TR; of note: seveal times when I was 38 or 29 I thought of
15:33 schestowitz-TR; or 29
15:33 schestowitz-TR; *or 39
15:33 schestowitz-TR; I thought I should consider taking a break from work at 40
15:33 schestowitz-TR; I've worked since around 14
15:33 schestowitz-TR; I have some latex memoes where I had the listing of jobs, dates
15:33 schestowitz-TR; I have many of these rough 'memoirs'
15:33 schestowitz-TR; as memories fade and in one old job a had lots of time at "the office"
15:33 schestowitz-TR; withoiut much to do
15:33 schestowitz-TR; so I was typing a lot in LyX and sometimes directly in raw latex
15:33 schestowitz-TR; later years also in palm pda with keyboard
15:33 schestowitz-TR; the idea of working from 14 until 67 does not appeal to me
15:33 schestowitz-TR; nobody can even gurantee one can live till that age, either
15:33 schestowitz-TR; the economy is ina bad state
15:33 schestowitz-TR; and to me that is not an argument for working more or harder
15:33 schestowitz-TR; rather than taking a pause, applicable since cira 2008
15:33 schestowitz-TR; |*crica
15:33 schestowitz-TR; *circa
15:33 schestowitz-TR; *life is too shortr to proofread unless it's for a large audicnece ;-)
15:38 Techrights-sec; ack
15:38 Techrights-sec; quiterss is useful but very slow and CPU intensive, it sometimes hangs too
15:38 schestowitz-TR; /me looks at quiterss, not much of substance there
15:38 schestowitz-TR; rianne finioshed her pass, she did not find much either
15:38 schestowitz-TR; with less mind pollution from work I could think more clearly of topics to cover
15:38 schestowitz-TR; and work out of the way means more time flexibility
15:38 schestowitz-TR; quite rss is still a lot better than thunderbird after mozilla killed off lots of extensions
15:38 schestowitz-TR; including thunderbrowse, which I had used for years
15:38 schestowitz-TR; thunderbird only got worse for me, but for email the alternatives are abandoned
15:38 schestowitz-TR; as if the concept of making a decent mail client is like building a BBS client
15:38 schestowitz-TR; or USENET client... even IRC clients are still being developed
15:38 schestowitz-TR; but the challenge associated with them is of less complexity then treating WEB PAGES
15:38 schestowitz-TR; as "messages"
15:38 schestowitz-TR; apropos, for techrights-sec I always usequassel, which, seeing the features it is,
15:38 schestowitz-TR; has leapt passed konversation
15:38 schestowitz-TR; but I am too accustomed to konversation
15:38 schestowitz-TR; *leapt past
15:38 schestowitz-TR; *quassel
15:38 schestowitz-TR; I tried it about 12 years ago when Omar in IRC suggested trying it
15:38 schestowitz-TR; it has improved since
15:39 schestowitz-TR; Omar was a Palestinian living in Lebanon
15:39 Techrights-sec; I wish that applications would focus on one thing and do that one thing well
15:39 Techrights-sec; I see no need for a browser or RSSin a mail client
15:39 Techrights-sec; both quassel and konversation are quite good but quite different
15:39 Techrights-sec; ack
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15:44 schestowitz-TR; quassel has in ti the functionality I 'implemented' in bash, to track multiple channels in one place
15:44 schestowitz-TR; afaik, konversation still lacks that
15:44 schestowitz-TR; but my bash thing is more flexible, so it has been extended a bit, in ways I cannot do with bolted in GUI
15:44 schestowitz-TR; re html and mail, don't forget that some 'mail' clients no longer send text
15:44 schestowitz-TR; kaniini complained introducing people to some thing like REAL git (over email) was
15:44 schestowitz-TR; not possible because they thooughht email=web page
15:44 schestowitz-TR; and their "apps" insisted so
15:44 schestowitz-TR; so nowadays thunderbird can ave a ton of holes (EFF with "fmail" was AFTER barlow died...
15:44 schestowitz-TR; EFF keeps bashing PGP... a lot... to promote hipster SHITE)
15:44 schestowitz-TR; as Firefox grows and grows so does thunderbird
15:44 schestowitz-TR; a lot of tyhe trouble is a consequence of tossing gecko into a MAIL client
15:44 schestowitz-TR; and if you tuned off that "bit", then thunderbird would hardly need patches
15:44 schestowitz-TR; I've lost count of how many very fine extensions I once had in thunderbird
15:44 schestowitz-TR; they killed off almost all of them
15:44 schestowitz-TR; same in firefox
15:45 schestowitz-TR; cutting one's own legs and arms for "aerodynamics"
15:45 schestowitz-TR; (runners can run even faster if they surgically remove their ears... or breasts in women's case)
15:47 Techrights-sec; I know, I've started to see that. Also people who are limited to webmail clients are easy victims for phishing, sp
15:47 Techrights-sec; earphishing, and even clickless attacks
15:47 Techrights-sec; Perhaps therre is a conflict of interest among EFF staff that they are
15:47 Techrights-sec; trying to undermine privacy and integrity
15:47 Techrights-sec; yes firefox used to be simple and extensible
15:47 Techrights-sec; there were articles from several unrelated authors about the near impossible
15:47 Techrights-sec; situation GAFAM has created out of the web; it's not possible any more to
15:47 Techrights-sec; start developing a new web browser due to all the cruft and gratuitious
15:47 Techrights-sec; complexity;
15:47 Techrights-sec; I'd like to see a generic XML browser that has style sheets for HTML and other
15:48 Techrights-sec; markup languages
15:49 schestowitz-TR; netsurf is nice, but it would not work with "modern" sites or barely work with them
15:49 schestowitz-TR; afaict, it works nicely in fsf, gnu, tuxmachines, TR
15:49 schestowitz-TR; I did not check much beyond that, except schestowitz.com
15:49 schestowitz-TR; those were build for browsing in the IE6 era
15:49 schestowitz-TR; when the web became very, very stagnenant
15:49 schestowitz-TR; had become rather
15:49 schestowitz-TR; until Firefox came and grew
15:49 schestowitz-TR; www (protocols) and html* (formats, too) have since then became a lot more complex than even ooxml
15:49 schestowitz-TR; but nobody wants to say that
15:49 schestowitz-TR; and we are back to the era of "this works only with x yz browser"
15:49 schestowitz-TR; where it's likely all except firefox are the same codebase
15:50 Techrights-sec; yes we are clearly back in that era. strang that marketeetrs actively throw
15:50 Techrights-sec; away market share in order to pursue pernicious ideologies and not build things
15:50 Techrights-sec; or grow market shar
15:50 Techrights-sec; it's 1996 all over again
15:54 schestowitz-TR; very different in the technical sense due to scale
15:54 schestowitz-TR; bendali says firefrox and chrome are 30+ million LOCs
15:54 schestowitz-TR; he knows cause he builds off of them
15:54 schestowitz-TR; and I reckon he has a fell for which portions are essential
15:54 schestowitz-TR; with "workers" and other crap thrown into the browser (EME is binary blob) it's no longer
15:54 schestowitz-TR; just gecko, there are other moving parts inside the machine
15:54 schestowitz-TR; dealing with states and stuff like notifications (OS-level hooks)
15:54 schestowitz-TR; Even VirtualBox does not seem to have that much access
15:54 schestowitz-TR; this is to the OS what WINE, not a VM, is to an OS
15:54 schestowitz-TR; or maybe WSL
15:54 schestowitz-TR; WSL is failing, it's a niche toy and Microsoft seems to have limited the amount of money wasted
15:54 schestowitz-TR; on 1) developing it 2) marketing it
15:55 Techrights-sec; ... except now the browser are being used as virtual machines to run
15:55 Techrights-sec; programs of undetermined provenance and proprietary at that
15:55 Techrights-sec; ack
16:00 schestowitz-TR; to whit, fgulag meet
16:00 schestowitz-TR; I didn't even know what it was
16:00 schestowitz-TR; rianne asked me to check
16:00 schestowitz-TR; I was guessing it's what gulag calls hangover [sic] now
16:00 schestowitz-TR; after canning "Hangouts"
16:00 schestowitz-TR; they also killed off Gulag Voice
16:01 schestowitz-TR; now it's "new experience"
16:01 schestowitz-TR; i.e. they removed some key features like "direct to landline"
16:01 schestowitz-TR; which is how rianne took calls off it
16:01 schestowitz-TR; each timew you log it there is a different version running
16:01 schestowitz-TR; it's a program of unknown integrity
16:01 schestowitz-TR; running off your machine
16:01 schestowitz-TR; but sent over to you by some unknown, NSA-connected entity
16:01 schestowitz-TR; in another continent
16:01 schestowitz-TR; all this just to implement simple chat
16:01 schestowitz-TR; I did this back in the 1990s with 14k baud modem
16:01 schestowitz-TR; just occurred to me, if NSA targets you, gulag will send a tailor-made version
16:01 schestowitz-TR; of gulag hangover/voice/meat [sic] to you
16:01 schestowitz-TR; with lots of juicy things
16:01 schestowitz-TR; now that browsers can access anything on your machine and the network
16:01 schestowitz-TR; you would not see cxhecksums of the program your browser is executing
16:01 schestowitz-TR; and gulag doe snot support any browser not controlled at least partly by gulag for its
16:01 schestowitz-TR; disservices
16:01 schestowitz-TR; so it is in control of "both sides of the transaction"
16:01 schestowitz-TR; the program it sends to you
16:01 schestowitz-TR; and the shandbox which executes it
16:01 Techrights-sec; yep
16:01 Techrights-sec; yep or any number of other things, including javascript in the browser aas
16:01 Techrights-sec; a steping stone to larger intrusions if nothing else
16:06 schestowitz-TR; brb coffee, then working on feeds, then recording
16:06 schestowitz-TR; (feeling like this summer I might be free at last)
16:12 schestowitz-TR; ack
16:12 Techrights-sec; ack
16:12 schestowitz-TR; back
16:12 schestowitz-TR; if I make up free time, I can improve a lot of things in git (over gemini), irc, gemini, and of course the site
16:12 schestowitz-TR; which needs modernising only at the back end
16:13 schestowitz-TR; it's good that we don't rely on just one protocol and everything is consolidated (no social
16:13 schestowitz-TR; controm media inc. for video)
16:13 schestowitz-TR; whichj limits the amount of time-wasting and risk
16:13 schestowitz-TR; I will convey these ideas to rianne later
16:13 schestowitz-TR; I have a feeling the new offer they give us won't be good enough and we will leave in good terms
16:13 schestowitz-TR; as I said a week ago, I had no intention ofm seeking alternative employment
16:13 schestowitz-TR; another option might be, agree to do 1-2 days a week, just to keep financially neutral and a foot inside the
16:13 Techrights-sec; ack
16:13 Techrights-sec; ok
16:13 schestowitz-TR; door so to speak
16:13 schestowitz-TR; it'll likely be negotiable
16:13 schestowitz-TR; rianne does 2 a week now, I've done 4.6 a week for a decade
16:22 schestowitz-TR; daily links heavy on abortion new, light on 'FOSS'
16:22 schestowitz-TR; in progress atm
16:22 Techrights-sec; ack
16:22 Techrights-sec; In the automated links or the manual links?
16:22 schestowitz-TR; in was just about to add:
16:22 schestowitz-TR; the abortion stuff isn't the cujrated bit
16:22 schestowitz-TR; but the sites we have "left" in the program are decent
16:22 schestowitz-TR; and do not over-politicise this issue
16:22 schestowitz-TR; they rightly present this as a women's (primarily) matter
16:22 schestowitz-TR; and how the corporate system with scotus fails them
16:22 schestowitz-TR; (typically when I add those they go near the top of categories not due to preferences
16:22 schestowitz-TR; but practical reasons of finding the category name)
16:22 schestowitz-TR; so "first" means "ltest added"
16:24 Techrights-sec; ok
16:24 Techrights-sec; ack
16:24 schestowitz-TR; I wanmted to point this out many times before
16:24 schestowitz-TR; it really ought to be the opposite, i.e. curated first, then the rest
16:24 schestowitz-TR; but in practice that means a lot of scrolling
16:24 schestowitz-TR; (my mouse has poor scrolling, but it gets by)
16:24 Techrights-sec; I can look into the order but I thought the automated links came after the
16:24 Techrights-sec; curated links
16:26 schestowitz-TR; yes, but when they're added it's reverse-chrom
16:26 schestowitz-TR; popping on top of the stack when searching for the category name, then dropping it on top
16:26 schestowitz-TR; after added the items on top of the "merged" file
16:26 schestowitz-TR; one possible "fix" is to first do automate, then curated added at the top
16:26 schestowitz-TR; another is, always scroll down to the bottom
16:26 schestowitz-TR; but that's like 100-200 times per day
16:27 Techrights-sec; Ok I'll look into fixing the sequencing, it may take a day or so
16:27 Techrights-sec; I just have to see which script is reversing the sequence, if that is what's
16:27 Techrights-sec; happening.
16:28 schestowitz-TR; that is more of my workflow issue, not the program
16:28 schestowitz-TR; namely, it is faster to search for the heading of the category, then place the cursor below <ul>
16:28 schestowitz-TR; than to find the bottom of the blocks of stories, then place the cussor there
16:32 schestowitz; https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/04/candlelit-vigil-will-press-biden-deliver-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver
16:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | Candlelit Vigil Will Press Biden to Deliver Covid-19 Vaccine Patent Waiver
16:33 schestowitz-TR; KEI/Jamie Love seem to be MIA
16:33 schestowitz-TR; or maybe went under some years ago
16:33 schestowitz-TR; they're barely visible anymore
16:33 Techrights-sec; ack
16:33 Techrights-sec; can you point to a file (presumably 2022-05-05-merged.html) and a
16:33 Techrights-sec; title in a section demostratingthe problem? I'm seeingthe curated links
16:33 Techrights-sec; at the top and the automated links trailing them
16:35 schestowitz-TR; the workflow is the issue, not the file
16:35 schestowitz-TR; I start at the top, adding them in order
16:35 schestowitz-TR; then, later, I assemble the unsorted lot, but adding those to top of their parent node, rather than bottom, as find
16:35 schestowitz-TR; ing the bottom typically means scrolling down a lot
16:56 schestowitz-TR; finalising faily links
16:56 schestowitz-TR; thoughts
16:56 schestowitz-TR; when unis were wpontrolled by the statge they served science
16:56 schestowitz-TR; whenc otnrolled by corporatios or partnering with them
16:56 schestowitz-TR; they tend to gravitate towards serving the financial needs of the companies
16:56 schestowitz-TR; inc. factors like marketing (clown, training)m and outsourcing
16:56 schestowitz-TR; so that might expalin whjy professors become followers ratheer thasn leadersa
16:56 schestowitz-TR; and bruce schnier often times just parrots what ciorporations say
16:56 schestowitz-TR; instead of forming his own views/words/interpretation
16:56 schestowitz-TR; bbiab
16:56 schestowitz-TR; just tryion t to do one thing at one time to avoid confusion
16:57 Techrights-sec; ok so the curated links should be at the end instead of the beginning where
16:57 Techrights-sec; they are at the moment?
16:59 Techrights-sec; ack
16:59 Techrights-sec; ok fixing that ...
16:59 schestowitz-TR; yes, it would help place them at he top of categories, where they truly belong, or I could just start reading the
16:59 schestowitz-TR; file from the middle
16:59 schestowitz-TR; I think actually, don't chenge that
16:59 schestowitz-TR; leave as is
16:59 schestowitz-TR; I will just start near the middle next time
16:59 schestowitz-TR; there is also the section that is new "supplementary'" which I don't kw hopw or when to handle
17:01 Techrights-sec; ok
17:01 Techrights-sec; it's not too hard to change , just a shell script
17:01 Techrights-sec; that's not feasible without some ML and first harvesting the full article
17:01 Techrights-sec; would anchors help so that it is easy to hop back and forth within the page?
17:01 schestowitz-TR; the real challenge would be using some heuristics to 'guess' where the iterms might belong, or make assumptions bas
17:01 schestowitz-TR; ed on the feeds e.g. dont extraditeassange always going under "freedom of the press" and torrrentfresk always under
17:01 schestowitz-TR; copyreights
17:01 schestowitz-TR; not sure how to implement this neatly
17:02 Techrights-sec; something like that might be feasible but not so easy to maintain
17:03 schestowitz-TR; done manually, it does not take much effort
17:03 schestowitz-TR; the issue is, I need to start with the latter stuff, to make it so that curated goes on top
17:18 schestowitz; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/
17:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths)
17:19 schestowitz-TR; report typos please ;-)
17:21 Techrights-sec; ack
17:21 Techrights-sec; checking
17:21 Techrights-sec; need a stronger reminder about Gates forcing the university to reneg on their
17:21 Techrights-sec; promise not to patent / collect royalties on the UK vaccine
17:22 schestowitz-TR; I also add that
17:29 Techrights-sec; firefox has broken its ability to parse files if they do not have the right
17:29 Techrights-sec; names or parts of names. 'x' will not be accepted even if it is HTML but the
17:29 Techrights-sec; same file if renamed to 'x.html' will be acccepted.
17:30 schestowitz-TR; CLI functionality of FF got worse over time
17:30 schestowitz-TR; instead of more versatile
17:30 schestowitz-TR; I've finalised my post, found some typos
17:30 schestowitz-TR; this won't be the last on this topic
17:30 schestowitz; While the BBC is Whitewashing a Criminal That Sponsors the BBC COVID-19 Kills Many More (and That BBC Sponsor Profits From Those Deaths) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/
17:33 schestowitz-TR; looking at corona portal atm
17:33 schestowitz-TR; I will have a go at billBC...
17:33 schestowitz-TR; more important than EPO
17:33 schestowitz-TR; report typos please ;-)
17:33 schestowitz-TR; http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/05/bbc-whitewashing-a-criminal/
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18:12 schestowitz-TR; OTA
18:12 schestowitz-TR; got part 14
18:12 schestowitz-TR; wanns see it in /tmp ?
18:12 schestowitz-TR; it is there now
18:12 Techrights-sec; ok
18:14 schestowitz-TR; [18:12] <DaemonFC> schestowitz-TR, Facebook blames Apple and "the general macroeconomic environment" for a hiring f
18:14 schestowitz-TR; reeze and a 40% collapse in their stock price.
18:14 schestowitz-TR; 12 and 13 were published and had been put there already IIRC
18:14 Techrights-sec; where are parts 12 and 13?
18:14 Techrights-sec; found it
18:27 Techrights-sec; all set
18:27 schestowitz-TR; added crude first draft while video processing
18:51 Techrights-sec; ack
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