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07:02 Techrights-sec; what kind of activities have they been moving to the US and what kind have they

07:02 Techrights-sec; been going out of their way to increase? And though you've covered it,

07:02 Techrights-sec; which activities have they already outsourced?

07:02 Techrights-sec; The message gives no details but reads like its closing down in the UK

07:02 Techrights-sec; Regarding the compensatin, what does your union say about the situation?

07:05 schestowitz-TR; gm

07:05 schestowitz-TR; There is a lof of bluff

07:05 schestowitz-TR; I think the plan is to bury debt

07:05 schestowitz-TR; and then start afresh elsewhere

07:05 schestowitz-TR; very long story, but nothing was really moved to the US, it's more like a shell

07:05 schestowitz-TR; game. We did some reading and incolvency may mean that compensation cannot be pursued

07:05 schestowitz-TR; in which case leaving might not be the worse option

07:34 Techrights-sec; ack

07:35 schestowitz-TR; let's put it this way:

07:35 schestowitz-TR; a) company struggling financially for years

07:35 schestowitz-TR; b) looks for way to cut costs (clown, office shutdown etc.)

07:35 schestowitz-TR; c) lying to everyone

07:35 Techrights-sec; a) and making bad decisions which make the financial situation worse ...

07:35 schestowitz-TR; d) betrsying core principles

07:36 Techrights-sec; b, c. and d come from the bad decisions exacerbating a

07:36 Techrights-sec; in other words, a death spiral

07:40 schestowitz-TR; as long as payments were made, it was convenient

07:40 schestowitz-TR; one option is, cash in until the very end

07:40 schestowitz-TR; based on the assumptiom it's an extraction maximised

07:40 Techrights-sec; ack

07:44 schestowitz-TR; so you do not think it is unreasonable. we can save up another large lump each month and if the losses is

07:44 schestowitz-TR; at their own expenses, nothing to lose anyway?

07:44 Techrights-sec; I guess so

07:44 Techrights-sec; Was there any advice about the situation from the labor union?

07:48 schestowitz-TR; there is no union, just a few colleagues who can speak over the phone

07:48 schestowitz-TR; mind you, we've been in 'extraction' mode for years

07:48 schestowitz-TR; some unpleasant decisions made is seem impertative to leave on the basis of principles mostly

07:48 schestowitz-TR; but it was just too darn convenient

07:48 schestowitz-TR; with the current climate, taking it easy would be even easier

07:48 schestowitz-TR; if there is a task reassignment, then it's a whole new pandora's box

07:48 schestowitz-TR; but based on my reading (official gov. site) recovering compensation in case of shutdown would

07:48 schestowitz-TR; likely be off the books. may depend on the country, but I'm no expert

07:49 Techrights-sec; the union can be specific to the field of work not a specific employer

07:49 schestowitz-TR; yes, I was asked about joining an external union about 3 years ago when SarinGad was abusing people

07:49 schestowitz-TR; more like 4 years ago

07:49 schestowitz-TR; it was already grim back then

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07:53 Techrights-sec; ack

07:55 schestowitz-TR; leaving in "good terms" or semi-retiring means better references

07:55 schestowitz-TR; but there is also an element of respect

07:55 schestowitz-TR; all in all, they never treated us badly

07:55 schestowitz-TR; so we might just cash in, say thank you, and boodbye

07:55 Techrights-sec; yes

07:55 Techrights-sec; ack


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10 AM, May 4

10:38 schestowitz-TR; brb

10:38 schestowitz-TR; it looks like, given that one week os work is one month of expenses, better push it till end

10:38 schestowitz-TR; willm speak to co.

10:38 Techrights-sec; ack

10:55 schestowitz-TR; another relatively slow news day

10:55 schestowitz-TR; EPO series has 2 parts left to it

10:55 schestowitz-TR; lupa seems to have slowed down the crawling

10:55 schestowitz-TR; hence, less capacity to see all the new capsules

10:55 Techrights-sec; India is in practice banning VPN usage

10:56 schestowitz-TR; 1-2 days ago I posted an article or link to an articler rather

10:56 schestowitz-TR; about how india was crushing things like a dictatorship under false pretences

10:56 schestowitz-TR; or rather committing crimes whilke claiming ro protect people from crimes

10:56 schestowitz-TR; modi H. Gates :-)

10:56 schestowitz-TR; anyway,m this week feels like "Mayday Week"

10:56 schestowitz-TR; very little news of substance

10:56 schestowitz-TR; I'm OK with it, I can produce more articles


11 AM, May 4

11:00 schestowitz-TR; when we did exercise today I recalled I should really extend planet gemini

11:00 schestowitz-TR; it was accessed 26 times yeterday, so I assume others are starting to use it too

11:00 schestowitz-TR; it gives visibility to more capsules and I too use it to find picks

11:00 schestowitz-TR; encouraging people to QUIT thinking ogf HTTP/S as the only game in town

11:01 Techrights-sec; more articles heelps, it's why Reddit and other BS sites complain so much about

11:01 Techrights-sec; TR

11:01 Techrights-sec; good, Gemini is useful -- if one can discover the interesdting capsules

11:03 schestowitz-TR; there is something called geddit for discussion within gemini (like social control media),

11:03 schestowitz-TR; but I am not a fun

11:03 schestowitz-TR; Re : [subject] is how we did it iun the golden era of blogging (around 2004), sometimes pingbacks, trackbacks of

11:03 schestowitz-TR; even blog comments

11:03 schestowitz-TR; social control media is centralisation of all those things

11:03 schestowitz-TR; we need to shun that mindset

11:03 schestowitz-TR; there are now about a dozen new articles in geminisppace about free speech

11:03 schestowitz-TR; it's discussed across lots of capsules

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11:14 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Why is EFF trying to boost and save BAD things???? "LISTEN ONYOUTUBE [...] How to Prevent Twitt

11:14 schestowitz-TR; er from Going the Way of the Dodo" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-rights-updates-effector-343 | So

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-rights-updates-effector-343

11:14 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Digital Rights Updates with EFFector 34.3 | Electronic Frontier Foundation

11:14 schestowitz-TR; urce: EFFBBB

11:14 schestowitz-TR; me: twitter SHOULD go the way of the dodo

11:14 schestowitz-TR; and I've been saying that for a very long time

11:14 schestowitz-TR; as for youtube, eff took money from gulag for lobbying

11:14 schestowitz-TR; which caused what'sHerNameFromIceland to get upset

11:14 schestowitz-TR; after she had joined the Board of the EFF and read my blog post

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noon, May 4

12:19 schestowitz-TR; I've decuded at the end there's no point adding more capsules

12:19 schestowitz-TR; as others already syndicate a lot and more importantly sort them by date (I'm not sure how they di

12:20 schestowitz-TR; do it unless the rss feed has a field for that)

12:35 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Surveillance https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/03/indian-government-now-wants-vpns-to-collect-and-turn-over-personal-data-on-users/ | Source: Techdirt

↺ https://www.techdirt.com/2022/05/03/indian-government-now-wants-vpns-to-collect-and-turn-over-personal-data-on-users/

12:35 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Indian Government Now Wants VPNs To Collect And Turn Over Personal Data On Users | Techdirt

12:37 Techrights-sec; yes more in the next batch of links

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2 PM, May 4

14:21 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "Unfortunately, this change resulted in some users no longer being able to use their OpenPGP keys. We learned that the affected users still depend on keys that were created or modified with OpenPGP software that used SHA-1 for the signatures that are part of OpenPGP keys." https://blog.thunderbird.net/2022/05/openpgp-keys-and-sha-1/

↺ https://blog.thunderbird.net/2022/05/openpgp-keys-and-sha-1/

14:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.thunderbird.net | OpenPGP keys and SHA-1 The Thunderbird Blog

14:23 Techrights-sec; SHA-1 is old and unsafe, that is different from the problem exhibited by

14:23 Techrights-sec; thunderbird blockign use of multi-address keys

14:23 Techrights-sec; Either way, it is a bad decision to continue to allow SHA-1 or if nothing

14:23 Techrights-sec; else failing to make a clear statement about the timeline on which it will

14:23 Techrights-sec; be phased out in the future

14:25 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/new-sophisticated-malware.ht

↺ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/new-sophisticated-malware.ht

14:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 404 @ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/new-sophisticated-malware.ht )

↺ https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/05/new-sophisticated-malware.ht

14:25 schestowitz-TR; ml

14:25 schestowitz-TR; of course bruicie does not mention the part about Windows. Goodin is a Microsoft booster in Dondy Nasty. *Conde

14:33 schestowitz-TR; ack

14:33 schestowitz-TR; the press is full of M$ boosters who conveniently omit M$ role in establishing

14:33 schestowitz-TR; a vulnerable industry

14:33 schestowitz-TR; Louis Rossmann covers DRM far better than the EFF, in fact the EFF seems

14:33 schestowitz-TR; to have forgotten about DRM

14:33 schestowitz-TR; He has a interesting interview with Willie Cade about the tractors and

14:33 schestowitz-TR; both understant the problems involved.

14:33 schestowitz-TR; The EFF has been pedalling twitter and m$ against its own principles

14:33 Techrights-sec; ack

14:33 Techrights-sec; the press is full of M$ boosters who conveniently omit M$ role in establishing

14:33 Techrights-sec; a vulnerable industry

14:33 Techrights-sec; Louis Rossmann covers DRM far better than the EFF, in fact the EFF seems

14:33 Techrights-sec; to have forgotten about DRM

14:33 Techrights-sec; He has a interesting interview with Willie Cade about the tractors and

14:33 Techrights-sec; both understant the problems involved.

14:33 Techrights-sec; The EFF has been pedalling twitter and m$ against its own principles

14:33 schestowitz-TR; EFF has been too busy trying to 'save' Twitter and campaigning in Gulag's censorship network to do

14:33 schestowitz-TR; something to SAVE a network which MANDATED proprietary JS to writes CENSORED comms

14:33 schestowitz-TR; I appreciate EFF partly for humour's purposes, much like Mozilla, which is located nearby and has some overlaps

14:33 Techrights-sec; Tragedy is not funny :(

14:33 Techrights-sec; Mozilla is a similar situation. :(

14:34 schestowitz-TR; It is a sad situation

14:34 schestowitz-TR; but laughter is the best medicine

14:38 schestowitz-TR; if you work in a landfill, better to get used to or love the odor

14:38 schestowitz-TR; if you deal with shit every day, better learn to smile at it

14:38 schestowitz-TR; because it makes the work a lot more tolerable and you don't burn out easily

14:40 schestowitz-TR; I have dealt with shit like this since my early 20s

14:40 schestowitz-TR; most of the time we won't get our way, esp. when choosing very steep slopes

14:40 schestowitz-TR; but when we do win, even just a little, it feels good

14:40 schestowitz-TR; BTW, it's halfway in 2022 and still no UPC

14:43 Techrights-sec; ack

14:43 schestowitz-TR; merely slowing down a massive monsster of great proportions and huge threat is something

14:43 schestowitz-TR; UPC and Microsoft are monsters

14:43 schestowitz-TR; Novell is "small time"

14:43 schestowitz-TR; Murk is already taking Twitter to the cleaners with plans for "fees"

14:43 schestowitz-TR; he runs a losing company, where the only way is down...

14:43 schestowitz-TR; Maybe he can ALREADY short-sell it

14:43 Techrights-sec; it's still a problem that EFF does not act on the harm that social control media

14:43 Techrights-sec; inherently causes

14:44 schestowitz-TR; afaik Barlow never had an account there

14:44 schestowitz-TR; I asaw none anyway

14:44 schestowitz-TR; EFF cofounders got things done

14:44 schestowitz-TR; instead of tweeting

14:44 Techrights-sec; correct

14:49 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Mastodon Basics Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164455 Twitter = one boss. Mastodon = one thousand bosses (some above others). Running your own blog, with RSS feeds = you're the boss.

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164455

14:50 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Mastodon Basics | Tux Machines

14:50 Techrights-sec; correct

14:50 Techrights-sec; ack

14:50 Techrights-sec; Yes, RSS feeds have an advanatage over the Fediverse. Few wish to point out

14:50 Techrights-sec; that the blacklists are centralized os while the instances might be distributed

14:50 Techrights-sec; the control is not

14:52 schestowitz-TR; Tim Wilson pointed this out in JoinDiaspora, in writing, IIRC, and moreover brought this up in at least

14:52 schestowitz-TR; one show/ep of techbytes

14:52 schestowitz-TR; tbh, he saw it ahead of me. Back then I could not grasp what he was getting at, or have not seen the s

14:52 schestowitz-TR; severity of it yet

14:52 schestowitz-TR; The people who flocked from G+ to plupora are on a dying site now too

14:52 schestowitz-TR; its podadmin died

14:52 Techrights-sec; the overhead for running and instance is outrageous anyway

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:51] <schestowitz> https://the-federation.info/diaspora

↺ https://the-federation.info/diaspora

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:51] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- the-federation.info | the federation - a statistics hub

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:51] <DaemonFC> Imagine holiday dinners and stuff.

14:53 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-the-federation.info | the federation - a statistics hub

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <DaemonFC> You let the police in because it's your brother-in-law.

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <schestowitz> Users: 822088

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <schestowitz> Last 6 months users: 30393

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <schestowitz> Last month users: 8825

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <DaemonFC> He sees something. You're arrested for Christmas.

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14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <schestowitz> only 1 in 100 registered users if active

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <matey> last time i was looking for a place, i found a state trooper lived there

14:53 schestowitz-TR; [11:52] <schestowitz> so for each user on the network you have to maintain data, inc. images, for 99 more people

14:54 schestowitz-TR; there is a lot more about this in the main IRC channel today, but that's one of many. We did the same for other "federated" platforms

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3 PM, May 4

15:07 schestowitz-TR; Melinda Gates: I divorce my husband because of Jeffrey Epstein, whose only 'value' was giving access to underage sex. Corporate media: Gates is divorced over adult relationships. Yeah, gaslight the wife for your SPONSOR Bill...

15:08 schestowitz-TR; IF???? https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220503-activists-urge-ad-boycott-if-musk-turns-twitter-toxic

↺ https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220503-activists-urge-ad-boycott-if-musk-turns-twitter-toxic

15:08 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.france24.com | Activists urge ad boycott if Musk turns Twitter toxic

15:20 Techrights-sec; there are a lot of red herrings thrown out there to try to protect bill

15:20 Techrights-sec; he's s bad that you can almost make up stuff and find out later it's true anyway

15:20 schestowitz-TR; that reptile alien illuminati :-)

15:20 schestowitz-TR; don't think he can pull it off.

15:20 schestowitz-TR; In Twitter I saw people linking a lot to TR in recent days

15:20 schestowitz-TR; the more he speaks, the louder people react

15:21 schestowitz-TR; then he comes back from hiding

15:21 schestowitz-TR; hoping that people forgot

15:21 schestowitz-TR; maybe Zuck Musk can silence those "cranks" for him next time around

15:22 Techrights-sec; thus the 'control' part of the social control media epithet

15:23 schestowitz-TR; they made wikileaks go away by locking many accounts and making wikileaks PLUS its high-profikle supporters

15:23 schestowitz-TR; a lot less visible

15:23 schestowitz-TR; they can talk

15:23 schestowitz-TR; but getting an audience will be hard

15:23 schestowitz-TR; even people whom they're followed by

15:23 schestowitz-TR; same issue in gulagtube BTW, from what I am able to gather

15:23 schestowitz-TR; they can arbitrarily decide who wins and who loses

15:45 schestowitz-TR; HELP, accidentially deleted my capsule gemini://jdj.golf/gemlog/shit.gmi

↺ gemini://jdj.golf/gemlog/shit.gmi

15:46 schestowitz-TR; notice hiw like and comment feature at the bottom

15:46 schestowitz-TR; not bad

15:46 schestowitz-TR; not sure abouyt client compat

15:46 Techrights-sec; backups are important -- every day if not more often, depending on the work

15:46 Techrights-sec; "Moral of the story: backup your stuff"

15:48 Techrights-sec; Interesting


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18:23 schestowitz-TR; Chart: Only Lockdowns Have Stopped COVID-19 From Spreading http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/04/covid-

↺ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/05/04/covid-

18:23 schestowitz-TR; test-case-ratio/

18:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive Chart: Only Lockdowns Have Stopped COVID-19 From Spreading

18:24 schestowitz-TR; it goes close to zero after separating people

18:24 schestowitz-TR; at this point their data portal become a propaganda avenue

18:24 schestowitz-TR; they present data in a misleading fasdhion

18:24 schestowitz-TR; asnd several times they made changes, each time to belittle the issue

18:24 Techrights-sec; not a surprise

18:24 Techrights-sec; "based on official NHS data" ... link ?

18:24 Techrights-sec; the chart goes from right to left instead of the usual left to right though

18:24 schestowitz-TR; e data would be an extra hassle, so I did not bother

18:24 schestowitz-TR; you can open the ods and do your own thing

18:24 schestowitz-TR; the chart is there, too

18:26 Techrights-sec; ack

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18:37 schestowitz-TR; [18:37] <techrights-news> Fewer than 50 million Brits got a second shot of 'fake' COVID-19, which means that almost 20 millions have not. But our government brags about figures like "92.5%" -- a misleading peer pressure tactic

18:38 Techrights-sec; ack

18:45 schestowitz-TR; [18:44] <techrights-news> CISA Adds Five Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/04/cisa-adds-five-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog 40% are APPLE and 40% are Microsoft, but CIA is omitting that because it does not wish to admonish proprietary stuff with NSA back doors?

↺ https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/04/cisa-adds-five-known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

18:45 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cisa.gov | CISA Adds Five Known Exploited Vulnerabilities to Catalog | CISA

18:45 schestowitz-TR; *CISA

18:49 Techrights-sec; I would guess so

18:49 Techrights-sec; Remember M$ got in on Biden's election campagin and according to custom

18:49 Techrights-sec; he owes them a big one

18:49 Techrights-sec; for that

18:49 Techrights-sec; even if it is more likely they actually hurt his campaign as much or more

18:49 Techrights-sec; than they helped


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