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01:36 Techrights-sec; The excessive writing when creating the static files is due to the lack of
01:36 Techrights-sec; tracking which records have been used already. There is no marker to show
01:36 Techrights-sec; which records have been written. If there were, then it would only be necessary
01:36 Techrights-sec; to write the new. unwritten record(s) plus the record adjacent to them.
01:36 Techrights-sec; What shortcomings can you see with that approach? I think there might be a
01:36 Techrights-sec; more effcient way than that.
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06:21 schestowitz-TR2; need topics ;-)
06:22 schestowitz-TR2; the world is paralysed not in the sense that nothing is going on
06:22 schestowitz-TR2; but in the sense not much gets investigated and reported over www
06:44 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "I realize there is something performative about issuing a statement via tweet" https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2022/09/why-have-so-many-cabinet-members-still-not-spoken-out-on-stopping-government-funding-for-anti-semite/
06:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.michaelgeist.ca | Why Have So Many Cabinet Members Still Not Spoken Out on Stopping Government Funding for an Anti-Semite? - Michael Geist
06:58 schestowitz__[TR]; https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/03/PeppermintOS_Based_on_Devuan.shtml
06:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines PeppermintOS Based on Devuan
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07:52 schestowitz-TR2; I've just corrected tim-extract for the rss/xml part, did the pull from the server side, but I think another step is required for the changes
07:52 schestowitz-TR2; to take effect as the newly-generated pages still use the old version in <head>
07:52 schestowitz-TR2; I've tested these changes
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08:18 Techrights-sec; Yes, pull then copy to /usr/local/bin
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; that's what I thought
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; but wanted to ask before doing it wrong
08:19 schestowitz-TR2; as it seems precarious at the root level
08:19 Techrights-sec; It's two steps to avoid directly putting the scripts out there.
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08:21 schestowitz-TR2; can you give me a "Safe" command that sends the git shell or perl files to the correct paths?
08:21 schestowitz-TR2; I also want to test in quiterss whether it now picks up the feed correctly in autodiscovery
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08:32 Techrights-sec; It's best to do them one at a time. Do you mean set up something with
08:32 Techrights-sec; 'doas' there?
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; maybe a simpler workflow
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; I ask you to first review the changes
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; with git commit log
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; and then you place it in bin
08:33 Techrights-sec; Ok
08:33 Techrights-sec; checking
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; lowers the chances of accidents
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; marius likes your latest changes (info in irc log, "bytes")
08:33 schestowitz-TR2; for "tomorrow"
08:38 Techrights-sec; ack
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08:58 Techrights-sec; Though the three step proces (w/two peope) reduces errors, there is the problem
08:58 Techrights-sec; of bottlenecks and possible dealys.
08:59 schestowitz-TR2; I don't suppose I will make changes at that level too often
08:59 schestowitz-TR2; I am not a perl coder
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09:15 Techrights-sec; That's a bottleneck too. No matter which language or scripting langauge is
09:15 Techrights-sec; chosen, that will include or exclude people. I hope the code is sufficiently
09:15 Techrights-sec; commented or clear.
09:15 Techrights-sec; The exctraction script needs a ground-up rewrite though given the actual work
09:15 Techrights-sec; flow, and that might mean adding a field to the keys table or else modding
09:15 Techrights-sec; the way that script uses the metadata table. Either way tracking writes is a must ... perhaps. Comments welcom on the approach proposed a few lines earlier.
09:15 Techrights-sec; There mightr be a more efficient way.
09:16 schestowitz-TR2; i wonder how other static generators do this
09:45 schestowitz-TR2; I've just taught arindam how to add and update stories
09:45 schestowitz-TR2; let's see if there are technical or [e.g. lack of grasp how how the UI works] barriers
09:46 Techrights-sec; I looked at some others but not too closely and have forgotten much of what
09:46 Techrights-sec; I noticed. Perhaps there is something written so as to avoid needing to install
09:46 Techrights-sec; them somewhere.
09:46 Techrights-sec; If he has feedback, that'd be good.
09:48 schestowitz-TR2; "Had the government not rushed and instead properly developed something (it sent it to the private sector with patents on publicly-funded work), then tested it more thoroughly/properly, maybe confidence would be higher." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/03/uk-statistics-about-58-of-the-population-opted-to-receive-a-booster-and-now-they-say-another-vaccine-is-needed/
09:48 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive UK Statistics: About 58% of the Population Opted to Receive a Booster (and Now They Say Another Vaccine is Needed)
10:17 Techrights-sec; ack
10:18 schestowitz-TR2; i think you will like the snowden viddeo I've converted to webm
10:18 schestowitz-TR2; it covers some of the point 'braxman' [sic] did
10:18 schestowitz-TR2; but snowden has better technical understanding
10:18 Techrights-sec; checking
10:18 schestowitz-TR2; having written with bunnie huang about it
10:21 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "Thats not the only thing. With increased stress levels, I really need to reduce my social media use, as it simply does not make me feel better overall and also likely eats an uncomfortably large amount of time." https://linmob.net/re-evaluating-priorities/
10:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-LINMOB.net - Re-Evaluating Priorities
10:22 schestowitz-TR2; we want millions of people to say and do the same -- to the point friends mimic them and we kill off this wasteful, worthless decade of human 'activity'
11:40 schestowitz-TR2; ota
11:40 schestowitz-TR2; done, I did a response to parts of the snowden video
11:40 schestowitz-TR2; 61 mins
11:40 Techrights-sec; ack
11:42 schestowitz-TR2; holidays over, sept. 3rd already, news still very slow
11:42 schestowitz-TR2; not picking up at my end, or barely
11:42 schestowitz-TR2; all across thr board
11:42 Techrights-sec; I notice the same stillness and lack of content.
11:44 schestowitz-TR2; social control media is dying too
11:44 schestowitz-TR2; you're not missing out anything there
11:44 schestowitz-TR2; so it's not like "all the cool kids" are having a meaningful debate elsewhere
11:44 schestowitz-TR2; it's just a vacuum
11:44 schestowitz-TR2; a lack of journalism enables price-fixing and stiffing
11:46 Techrights-sec; ~.
11:46 Techrights-sec; Social control media's demise is good, but not fast enough. To many powerful
11:46 Techrights-sec; interests gain from abusing it.
11:51 schestowitz-TR2; with free europe radio or whatever the US called it at least you knew what you tuned into
11:51 schestowitz-TR2; the broadcaster, source, funder
11:56 Techrights-sec; A /very/ harmful aspect of social control media is that 1) many weak journalists
11:56 Techrights-sec; turn to it for initial "research" instead of getting at the facts and 2)
11:56 Techrights-sec; many high level politicians misuse it in the same way. In that way it looks
11:56 Techrights-sec; like many EC and UN politicians have had the wool pulled over their eyes and
11:56 Techrights-sec; once fooled will not relinquish their mistaken posititions but rather dig in
11:56 Techrights-sec; their heels.
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14:00 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "Her death was announced on Twitter" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/02/honor-her-memory-fighting-hell-barbara-ehrenreich-dies-81 | Source: Common Dreams
14:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.commondreams.org | 'Honor Her Memory... by Fighting Like Hell': Barbara Ehrenreich Dies at 81
14:01 Techrights-sec; "tweets" in place of officia notifications, that allows filtering as well as
14:01 Techrights-sec; tracking
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; <techrights-news> "Her death was announced on Twitter" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/02/honor-her-memory-fighting-hell-barbara-ehrenreich-dies-81 | Source: Common Dreams
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; I remmeber whenn you got such nes with obituaries, not saudi trolls and "likes"
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; oh, come on, you are ssssooooo old fashioned
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; if I die, write a TEET for me
14:02 schestowitz-TR2; *TWEET
14:08 Techrights-sec; :(
14:08 Techrights-sec; Unfortunately that, an appeal to novelty, is successful in marketing
14:08 Techrights-sec; both the manipulation and the surveillance. The addiction is part of the bargain
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16:21 schestowitz-TR2; yes, that is a good topic
16:21 schestowitz-TR2; syngenta is in the middle of some EPO scnadals, too
16:23 Techrights-sec; Apropos news, I notice that neither Brave's nor StartPage's search show,
16:23 Techrights-sec; sort by, or allow selection by approximate date. Up until a few days ago
16:23 Techrights-sec; it was possible to limit search results by the last day, week, month, or year.
16:23 Techrights-sec; Now the results are all jumbled up together, making it impossible to sort out
16:23 Techrights-sec; relevant material by time. So there may be some news pages from yesterday
16:23 Techrights-sec; but they are drowned out by higher ranking ones on the same topic, or same
16:23 Techrights-sec; search words, even if the higher ranking ones are much older as in months or
16:23 Techrights-sec; years
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; I never used Brave or the search, but I know startpage is a no-go
16:24 schestowitz-TR2; we have a WBer from there
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20:16 schestowitz; [02:51] <schestowitz> but can remove
20:16 schestowitz; [02:51] <schestowitz> hand on
20:16 schestowitz; [02:51] <schestowitz> please, yes! send the warrant
20:16 schestowitz; [02:51] <schestowitz> I searched the dept's site
20:16 schestowitz; [02:52] <Source> I'm trying to figure out a way to send you a PDF [02:52] <schestowitz> with names and everything
20:16 schestowitz; [02:52] <Source> Yeah you would need to do an open records request
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <schestowitz> could never bring up the record
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <Source> Yeah Austin is really strange
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <schestowitz> send it by email
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <schestowitz> if it's not a secret thing anyway
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <schestowitz> I'll replace and follow up
20:17 schestowitz; [02:52] <Source> In the rest of tx most police departments post warrants and arrests publicly
20:17 schestowitz; [02:53] <schestowitz> sorry, you caught me at a bad time, and it's 3am here, I have 5 tasks at the same time
20:17 schestowitz; [02:53] <Source> What's your email?[02:53] <Source> Sorry I'm not sure of your schedule I just assumed that you were awake late at night because that's usually when we talk
20:17 schestowitz; [02:57] <Source> He's actually had a warrant since September 3rd[02:58] <Source> So he invaded arrest 3 full months[02:59] <schestowitz> wow
20:17 schestowitz; [02:59] <schestowitz> but we found out late
20:17 schestowitz; [02:59] <schestowitz> if I put out the record
20:17 schestowitz; [02:59] <Source> I found out a while ago[02:59] <Source> But I wasn't sure and didn't have any evidence that it was true
20:17 schestowitz; [02:59] <schestowitz> then it will make it vastly easier for me to proceed to his domestic violence issue
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; ping
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; arindam is posting OK
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; and updating OK, too
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; I've just diffed git tm-extract and which tm-extractr
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; then cp'd that
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; I guess it's the safest way
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; diff in alpine shows not only the different lines
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; but also adds some trailing lines for context
20:23 schestowitz-TR2; never seen this before
20:25 Techrights-sec; thanks
20:25 Techrights-sec; still thinking about how to re-do the html/gemtext generator. it'll likely be
20:25 Techrights-sec; in two stages at this point
20:25 Techrights-sec; checking
20:25 Techrights-sec; yes I thought that was the usual, that diff shows a little context
20:26 schestowitz-TR2; maybe if there are some options or aliad that added them
20:26 schestowitz-TR2; alias like A and B in grep
20:26 schestowitz-TR2; or a and b, before and after
20:26 Techrights-sec; ack
20:26 schestowitz-TR2; I think depending on the implementation
20:28 schestowitz-TR2; btw, I think "TLS options: file not found." is back
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; what would e the optimal approach to back up the new servers inc. root level things?
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; I'm doing backups atm
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; everything is a file, but with ownerships it gets complicated and some parts of the system are in weird paths
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; Juust thinking ahead of D-R-likke situation
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; all the feedback I got about the new TM design is either positive is neutral
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; I'm going to tidy things up a bit >outside< the new server
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; I've just cleaned my email for first time since July
20:47 schestowitz-TR2; it's more efficient when you can group the spam
20:52 Techrights-sec; For backup, I'd do the OS separate from the services. However, I'm not up on
20:52 Techrights-sec; the best practices for that for Alpine. For APT-based distros, dpkg had
20:52 Techrights-sec; a --get-selections option. There may be something similar for APK.
20:52 Techrights-sec; The TM material is all in /var/www/tuxmachines.org, /home/git/tuxmacines.org,
20:52 Techrights-sec; and /home/tuxmachines. Not all of /var/www/tuxmachines.org needs to be backed
20:52 Techrights-sec; up since the static pages can be recreated.
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; they cannot
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; unless we revert back to the broken DB, make a snapshot of them again, then roll back :-)
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; I will make a good backup of old... started a moment ago in fact
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; just to cement things a bit
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; in TM-new thee is not much yet except Links and IPFS
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; sorry, in TR-new
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; in tm-new we have a lot of work to future-proof
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; like I said, I see NO REASON why TM can't go on another 10 years
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; health OK, finance OK, momentum is there
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; and we don't depend on WWW
20:52 schestowitz-TR2; or on transient, vsolatile social control media
20:53 Techrights-sec; There are a few open-rc configurations, too.
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21:11 Techrights-sec; ack
21:12 schestowitz-TR2; still backing up
21:12 schestowitz-TR2; also researching lf
21:12 schestowitz-TR2; btw, is the TLS error OK?
21:12 schestowitz-TR2; missing file?
21:12 schestowitz-TR2; iirc, you made it vanish at one point
21:13 Techrights-sec; ack
21:13 Techrights-sec; Maybe in November or December we can consider planning migration of TR?
21:13 Techrights-sec; The TLS error should be solved now. That was yet another MQTT client, and it
21:13 Techrights-sec; too needed its certificates updated. The default TTL for the certificates
21:13 Techrights-sec; is 1 month, but I remembered that (after everything expired) and changed
21:13 Techrights-sec; the TTL to just over 36 months.
21:13 Techrights-sec; Checking
21:13 schestowitz-TR2; the error is showing again after adding new pages
21:13 schestowitz-TR2; not sure why
21:13 schestowitz-TR2; I think it came back last inight
21:14 Techrights-sec; Not able to see it with refresh-site-from-db.sh
21:16 Techrights-sec; Not able to see it with refresh-site-from-db.sh
21:16 Techrights-sec; Nor /home/tuxmachines/bin/tm-monitor-site-updates.sh
21:16 Techrights-sec; The wide charcter warning is still there, though.
21:16 Techrights-sec; In which context do you still see the TLS warning?
21:16 schestowitz-TR2; update and refresh as user "Roy"
21:16 Techrights-sec; Checking
21:16 Techrights-sec; Ok. Small repair needed with the paths...
21:17 schestowitz-TR2; oh, good, so we fix another thing
21:17 schestowitz-TR2; arindam was a tad confused by DB-related warnings and htmltidy showing many warnings too
21:21 schestowitz-TR2; I agree we should mograte TR next, esp. when things quiet down a bit
21:21 schestowitz-TR2; we've put lots of effort into TM, hence the sense of urgency to back up what's possible
21:21 schestowitz-TR2; I am backing up both old ones atm, but not fully, they're too large and my conneciton is copper
21:33 Techrights-sec; Oops. Not paths. The SUID bit was removed the other day. Things are
21:33 Techrights-sec; now set up properly in doas.
21:34 Techrights-sec; Oh. I had hoped the tidy warning would have been informative. Any errors
21:34 Techrights-sec; should remain visible but I suppose the warnings and other text should be
21:34 Techrights-sec; supressed? Right?
21:34 Techrights-sec; Hmm. Suppressing the output will require a more advanced approach.
21:48 schestowitz-TR2; no hurry, uyou wanted input from arindam
21:48 schestowitz-TR2; and he wrote about the warningsa
21:48 schestowitz-TR2; rianne too mentions these habitually
21:48 schestowitz-TR2; they think something went horribly wrong
21:48 Techrights-sec; thanks
22:08 schestowitz-TR2; just published comparative overview (6years) of LF salaries
22:08 schestowitz-TR2; you asked for something to that affect
22:08 schestowitz-TR2; *efefect
22:08 Techrights-sec; Thanks!
22:09 Techrights-sec; The warnings from tidy are probably suppressed. Can you double-check please?
22:09 schestowitz-TR2; I will add a page now to test
22:09 Techrights-sec; Thanks
22:16 schestowitz-TR2; excellent, now it's a lot less verbose:
22:16 schestowitz; [y/N] y
22:16 schestowitz; Waiting for database to unlock ...lock acquired
22:16 schestowitz; Record added
22:16 schestowitz; Creating temporary directories and files
22:16 schestowitz; Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies
22:16 schestowitz; Updating SSI files
22:16 schestowitz; Writing the RSS feed for HTTP
22:16 schestowitz; Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 131.
22:16 schestowitz; Writing the Atom feed for Gemini
22:16 schestowitz; Writing the Gemini index
22:16 schestowitz; Pinging via MQTT
22:16 schestowitz; Erasing temporary directories and their files.
22:17 Techrights-sec; Thanks
22:17 Techrights-sec; np
22:17 Techrights-sec; I guess the text can be distracting. I am not a good basis for asessing the
22:17 Techrights-sec; output because I have been using tidy since it was released.
22:17 Techrights-sec; I can take another look at the wide character warning later on.
22:17 Techrights-sec; The first guess did not solve it.
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22:23 Techrights-sec; Ok that was easy. Try now.
22:23 schestowitz-TR2; "annnnnnnnd, it's GONE!" (South Park ref)
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; while psoting I reccalled we paid for the phone line today, 12 months advance
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; we pay about 50 pence per day per person for Internet
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; and we use thatvery heavily on many machines
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; I hope it stays that way
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; prices did not increass emuch (nor should they)
22:25 schestowitz-TR2; my dad has a theory about the inflation and how to ensure it barely affects onself
22:25 Techrights-sec; ack
22:25 Techrights-sec; hopefully it was not "too" easy
22:25 Techrights-sec; not bad
22:25 Techrights-sec; ack
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22:26 schestowitz-TR2; iirc, in parts of the US we'd pay at least twice as much
22:26 schestowitz-TR2; and might even get woprse service for that
22:26 schestowitz-TR2; (parts of, from what I understand it's very location dependent)
22:28 Techrights-sec; and there you would have intermittent service which would be slow when it
22:28 Techrights-sec; works at all, assuming you live in a region with any service at all.
22:28 Techrights-sec; iirc 40% are without
22:28 Techrights-sec; not just locaion dependent but neighborhood dependent and the phone companies
22:28 Techrights-sec; have carved up the areas into tiny monopolies. One street with one company
22:28 Techrights-sec; and maybe down the block another, both with drastically different pricing and
22:28 Techrights-sec; levels of service.
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; The US has competition
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; competition over blocks
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; not competition WITHIN blocks
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; redefining "free market" and "compettion"
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; it's called marketing "sharing" IIRC
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; Micreosoft tried to do that with Netscape
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; and of course in the long run there would be a dagger in the backl
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; *market sharing
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; we have this in the netscapoe petition in our wiki
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; iof course most no00bs will go to wikipeis onn these issues
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; and read a bunch of lies from Microsoft
22:30 schestowitz-TR2; guarded by W-E
22:49 Techrights-sec; ack
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