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1 AM, June 3

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7 AM, June 3

07:48 Techrights-sec; did you see the photos of the many crowds there, large and small, in the UK

07:48 Techrights-sec; yesterday? Many superspreader events took place and in the coming weeks the

07:48 Techrights-sec; results will manifest.

07:49 schestowitz-TR; No, I did not see it

07:49 schestowitz-TR; I focus on reayl holidays

07:49 schestowitz-TR; not plutophilia

07:49 Techrights-sec; Understood, but when scanning the news it was hard not to miss the packed

07:49 Techrights-sec; crowds ignoring all sensible distance

07:49 Techrights-sec; .

07:50 schestowitz-TR; we got subjected to this when the bus with the plyers came

07:50 schestowitz-TR; and then hoards of people walking alongside the bus washed us over like a massive wave

07:50 schestowitz-TR; which we disliked stronglyt

07:50 schestowitz-TR; there was no crowd control

07:51 Techrights-sec; yes that is what it looked like in the pictures

07:51 schestowitz-TR; I think I sent you a link to the video

07:51 schestowitz-TR; I almost showed up in it, I saw some people who were near to us

07:52 Techrights-sec; ack


8 AM, June 3

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08:03 schestowitz-TR; you realise typescript is how microsoft attacks javascript, right?

08:03 Techrights-sec; kind of, it is hard to keep track of all the bullshit. so remove it from the

08:03 Techrights-sec; links if necessary please

08:44 Techrights-sec; so typescript is EEE against javascript?

08:45 schestowitz-TR; ack

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9 AM, June 3

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09:35 schestowitz-TR; [09:34] <matey> IBM has followed Microsoft's outline from the Halloween Documents and been able to use systemd to decommodify GNU/Linux in such a way that it becomes so complex that their services must be hired in so decommodification appears to possibly be a recurring theme here.

09:35 schestowitz-TR; [09:34] <matey> well, it only took a year and three months

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10 AM, June 3

10:38 Techrights-sec; ack

10:38 Techrights-sec; "year and three months" ?


11 AM, June 3

11:02 schestowitz; "

11:02 schestowitz; Dear colleagues,

11:02 schestowitz; In 2019, the EPO orchestrated a flawed Financial Study together with Oliver Wyman & Mercer. The President selected a base-2 scenario which foresaw deflation and an overall deficit of 3.8bn by 2038, and added a 2bn arbitrary buffer for closing the alleged gap.

11:02 schestowitz; In May 2020, SUEPO mandated Ernst & Young to perform an analysis. Comparing the key assumptions of the 2019 study with those of other EPO documents, Ernst & Young found that the 2019 study consistently took an overly conservative approach. It was clear that the EPO had no deficit.

11:02 schestowitz; In spite of this evidence, the President put in place as of July 2020 a new salary adjustment procedure aimed at closing the alleged gap and which cuts staff purchasing power. Instead of the alleged deflation, inflation materialized at the historical level of +9,1% in Germany[1] since then. At the same time, EPO salaries were adjusted by only +0,5%.

11:02 schestowitz; Over the same period, the EPO saved on liabilities and increased its assets in the treasury fund and the pension reserve fund. Within only 2 years, the new salary adjustment procedure saved 1,33bn of the 2bn planned to be saved over 20 years. At the end of 2021 the actual budget surplus came to 385.7m, 10.6% better than 2020, and significantly above the budget figure of 214.8m.[2]

11:02 schestowitz; The generated savings are currently not managed by staff. Staff has no say in the supervision of the treasury fund of the EPO and there is currently no mechanism to make cash payouts out of the pension reserve fund.

11:02 schestowitz; In view of the excellent performance of the EPO, staff should be thanked for their effort instead of having a historical loss of purchasing power. This situation is neither justified nor sustainable. For the above reasons:

11:02 schestowitz; SUEPO Munich requests an extraordinary salary adjustment to be applied as of 1 July 2022.

11:02 schestowitz; "

11:26 schestowitz-TR; ota (new epo docs)

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noon, June 3

12:04 schestowitz-TR; such a law would be good, but >50 staff limit should be removed

12:04 Techrights-sec; yes and how can anonymity be guaranteed even setting aside the question of

12:04 Techrights-sec; authenticity

12:05 schestowitz-TR; a matter of track record and TRUST

12:05 Techrights-sec; ack

12:05 Techrights-sec; ack

12:17 schestowitz-TR; draft eta 5 mins

12:17 schestowitz-TR; draft

12:22 Techrights-sec; reading

12:22 Techrights-sec; "Sounds like a mental issue, God complex of sorts" to diagnostic, arm chair

12:22 Techrights-sec; psychiatry

12:22 Techrights-sec; just mental or instability, either way it's not a desirable trait in one

12:22 Techrights-sec; in his ostensible role

12:22 schestowitz-TR; shall I say ego issue?

12:22 schestowitz-TR; OK I will work on rewording that bit now

12:27 Techrights-sec; ack

12:34 schestowitz-TR; remember part of his loss of temper is due to us

12:34 schestowitz-TR; because he named us before it happened

12:34 Techrights-sec; ack

12:37 Techrights-sec; yes a good sign but important they are removed from office and not replaced

12:37 Techrights-sec; with similar crooks or cronies

12:38 schestowitz-TR; being passion ately hated by crooks is a badge of honour

12:39 schestowitz-TR; that's the council's job

12:39 schestowitz-TR; buit it is complicit

12:39 schestowitz-TR; as if the eu/ec

12:39 schestowitz-TR; *as is

12:39 Techrights-sec; the EC is quite corrupt as well, the corruption may be intertwined

12:42 schestowitz-TR; this interplay motivates me

12:42 schestowitz-TR; euipo, wipo

12:42 schestowitz-TR; exzposing epo corruptionb even showed that ilo/aloat is failing

12:42 schestowitz-TR; and lots of conrete examples of that

12:42 schestowitz-TR; so one cog shows a defunct machine

12:42 Techrights-sec; excellent

12:42 schestowitz-TR; so we keep on going

12:43 schestowitz-TR; we started getting uspto tips

12:45 Techrights-sec; The USPTO has been heading into trouble a lot recently but not trouble free

12:45 Techrights-sec; before that either

12:46 schestowitz-TR; epo competes with npos

12:46 schestowitz-TR; uspto lacks rivals

12:46 schestowitz-TR; uspto never enjoyed good reputation like epo

12:46 schestowitz-TR; uspto is widely regarded as tool of trolls and megacorps

12:46 Techrights-sec; ack

12:46 schestowitz-TR; which means there isd not much to damage inmage-wise

12:46 Techrights-sec; , however few outside even think about the USPTO

12:49 Techrights-sec; s/seserts/deserts/

12:49 Techrights-sec; I'm still considering how to get *any* regional news services to pick up

12:49 Techrights-sec; the topic, even superficially

12:49 Techrights-sec; ack

12:49 schestowitz-TR; another aspecst is

12:49 schestowitz-TR; if you ignore news seserts 2012-2022

12:49 schestowitz-TR; there is a long media and popularr tradition 'bashing' uspto

12:49 schestowitz-TR; epo is closer to home and the media treated it like the eu

12:49 schestowitz-TR; bashing = right wing

12:49 schestowitz-TR; corporsations = left weing???

12:49 schestowitz-TR; (standing desk= more typos)


1 PM, June 3

13:00 Techrights-sec; rumors should not be highlighted. i't not sure the best way to document them

13:00 Techrights-sec; without appearing to spread them further

13:57 Techrights-sec; https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-pepper-spraying-cop-got-a-bigger-payout-than-his-victims/280822/

↺ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/the-pepper-spraying-cop-got-a-bigger-payout-than-his-victims/280822/

13:57 Techrights-sec; many used the moving images from the UC Davis incident as a "meme"

13:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.theatlantic.com | The Pepper-Spraying Cop Got a Bigger Payout Than His Victims - The Atlantic

13:57 schestowitz-TR; world's happiest country frags its heels for 2 years before charging someone who assaulted people

13:57 schestowitz-TR; *drags

13:58 schestowitz-TR; if he fragged them, it might take 2 months to charge

13:58 schestowitz-TR; they might pay a home visit

13:58 schestowitz-TR; and serve papers

13:58 schestowitz-TR; and ask kindly to come to the back od the car


2 PM, June 3

14:00 schestowitz-TR; ----

14:00 schestowitz-TR; if you become a thorn on the side of the rich and powerful, be careful and clever about it

14:00 schestowitz-TR; as they will look for way to intimidate, demonise, litigate, and arrest you

14:00 schestowitz-TR; don't make it easier for them and you will last longer as a thorn :)

14:00 Techrights-sec; ack

14:01 schestowitz-TR; if the thorn can stay there long enough, it will cause an infection

14:01 schestowitz-TR; but that takes time

14:05 schestowitz-TR; So you say our work is essential: Essential workers and the potential for transformative learning in the wake of COVID19 social and economic disruption - John Wiley https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ace.20455 opposite of "bullshit jobs"

↺ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ace.20455

14:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 503 @ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ace.20455 )

↺ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ace.20455

14:05 schestowitz-TR; we got rid of one bullshitter: SarinGas

14:05 schestowitz-TR; only damage was done by that job

14:07 Techrights-sec; ack

14:07 Techrights-sec; lasting damage apparently

14:07 schestowitz-TR; some jobs are some bullshit that they are not only a net negative for society but for the business that pays the salary

14:17 Techrights-sec; yep

14:19 schestowitz-TR; thew other day you mentionmed that the renumeration level is high for skilled staff to be

14:19 schestowitz-TR; available at rather unsocial hours of the day without habving to wake anyone up to tackle the issues

14:19 schestowitz-TR; or incidents

14:19 schestowitz-TR; there was a seinfeld skit about how doormen don't do much ("sweep sweep sweep!") but I think it is an apt analogy

14:19 schestowitz-TR; here . they do not need to do much, but their presence alone, merely being there, brings some pece of mind and action when

14:19 schestowitz-TR; it is necessary

14:19 schestowitz-TR; if all jobs required non-=stop action, there would be no way tio employ 5 billion people 40 hours a week

14:19 schestowitz-TR; but people who never do any ACTUAL work do not seem to get it

14:19 schestowitz-TR; There are people who expect their guests to pay for these people's own, self-serving parties. Like our queen...

14:19 schestowitz-TR; [14:13] <techrights-news> Countries' royals are rich due to wealth gained by their people, it's not that those people enjoy wealth because of rich (leech) royals

14:19 schestowitz-TR; [14:15] <techrights-news> A royal's definition of hard work is visiting and shaking hands with people who do hard work. And then embarking on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Gates to 'chill' for a while...

14:20 Techrights-sec; yep

14:20 Techrights-sec; they are paid so that they /are/ there on site when needed

14:20 Techrights-sec; again it is the availability which is being paid for

14:20 Techrights-sec; ack

14:20 schestowitz-TR; in our case, turning day and night upside down

14:21 Techrights-sec; ack


3 PM, June 3

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15:18 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Two things wrong with the link. 1) it links to an anti-Linux BS piece that boosters by a 'Linux' site (it's actually Microsoft BS machine). 2) LXer doesn't link to it directly but to a piece that's just a URL http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=316428

↺ http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=316428

15:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxsecurity.com | EnemyBot Linux Botnet Now Exploits Web Server, Android and CMS Vuln...


4 PM, June 3

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5 PM, June 3

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17:15 schestowitz-TR; PjP

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17:16 schestowitz-TR; ,-'-. _.,

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17:18 schestowitz-TR; I should be thankful our weather is quite sane

17:18 schestowitz-TR; the rare floods and gales are not plasant

17:18 schestowitz-TR; but the cables are underground and we have no quakes

17:18 schestowitz-TR; sometimes I joke to myself that a lack of serious nartural disatsers

17:18 schestowitz-TR; enables Britain to get ahead

17:18 schestowitz-TR; focusing on epxnsion rather than fixing what's at home

17:18 schestowitz-TR; rianne's family routinely experiences extreme weather

17:18 schestowitz-TR; more so in recent decades

17:47 schestowitz-TR; does my draft makew sense

17:47 schestowitz-TR; ofr is it full of bs (I had one glass of wine)

17:47 schestowitz-TR; given the context?

17:47 schestowitz-TR; I'm likely going to spend more time on the wiki


6 PM, June 3

18:04 Techrights-sec; checking

18:04 Techrights-sec; (oops, too slow again)

18:04 Techrights-sec; Would some kind of UPS make sense at your place? Even maybe a UPS HAT for one

18:04 Techrights-sec; of the RPis?

18:05 schestowitz-TR; I said to the man on the phone )verry LON chat)

18:05 schestowitz-TR; that if a second outage happens, I'll get a ups for the modem and pi

18:05 schestowitz-TR; we talked aboutprices and such

18:05 schestowitz-TR; there has not been a repeat incident since

18:05 schestowitz-TR; so a ups might turn out to be a total wate of effort an dtime

18:06 Techrights-sec; ack

18:06 Techrights-sec; yes, if the power is that reliable it would be unnecessary

18:06 schestowitz-TR; first time in 16 years, unless we do something silly that takes down a fuse... to be fiar, for OUR OWN protection

18:09 schestowitz-TR; draft

18:09 schestowitz-TR; not a ramble

18:09 schestowitz-TR; but tipsy recollsction

18:09 schestowitz-TR; i think it ought to be said

18:09 schestowitz-TR; I think I'll have a LOT more free time next month

18:09 schestowitz-TR; we already lapsed the pension payment this month

18:09 schestowitz-TR; so I assume they reset tge system temproareily.

18:11 Techrights-sec; ack

18:11 Techrights-sec; EEE could be expanded (https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/html-abbr-tag/)

↺ https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/html-abbr-tag/)

18:11 Techrights-sec; the characteristics which make Battistelli seem like a gangster could be

18:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.geeksforgeeks.org | HTML abbr Tag - GeeksforGeeks

18:11 Techrights-sec; annotated briefly

18:11 Techrights-sec; .

18:12 schestowitz-TR; ok

18:12 schestowitz-TR; more like bankster

18:12 schestowitz-TR; but there is no proper def for it

18:12 schestowitz-TR; m,aybe mobster

18:12 schestowitz-TR; the family n corsica is notorious

18:12 schestowitz-TR; I shall expand a bit

18:12 schestowitz-TR; I might even make a video about it (not draunk, justa little tipsy)

18:12 Techrights-sec; ack

18:14 schestowitz-TR; this is so embarassing

18:14 schestowitz-TR; for "europe"

18:14 schestowitz-TR; as in the pertinent democratic institutions

18:14 Techrights-sec; ack

18:14 Techrights-sec; .

18:14 schestowitz-TR; I wasn'ty even covering politics

18:14 schestowitz-TR; IO focused on patents

18:14 schestowitz-TR; and here we are writing about ilo and ec and stuff...

18:14 schestowitz-TR; because it is all connecte

18:14 schestowitz-TR; dwhether you like it or not

18:15 schestowitz-TR; ota

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7 PM, June 3

19:10 schestowitz-TR; ok, donme recording

19:10 schestowitz-TR; and rianne came back home with lots of clow-cost cheese

19:10 schestowitz-TR; like less than quarter price

19:10 Techrights-sec; cheese stores well for the most part, so usually there is no rush to eat it

19:10 Techrights-sec; up quickly

19:11 schestowitz-TR; the thing to rush with is the milk

19:11 schestowitz-TR; I have cereal already

19:11 schestowitz-TR; back to work tonight for 4 nights in a row


8 PM, June 3

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10 PM, June 3

22:44 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.it/WukinaJ/status/1532806905743216642#m

↺ https://nitter.it/WukinaJ/status/1532806905743216642#m

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22:44 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Li bh (@WukinaJ): "stranka ma sice #AccessDenied http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165603 nicmene i #screenshot z #RSSnextcloud se bude lbit : @darklordoflinux a @Kosieh_Barter -------------------- #VPN #Account #googlecache jsem nezkousel" | nitter.it

↺ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165603


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