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03:48 Techrights-sec; Drop caps remains but in a different manner.
03:48 Techrights-sec; See the lines starting at # 345
03:48 Techrights-sec; less -N tuxmachines.cs
03:48 Techrights-sec; s
03:50 schestowitz-TR2; checking
03:50 schestowitz-TR2; it seemed to have no effect
03:51 Techrights-sec; however I see that it failed to trigger on
03:51 Techrights-sec; http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/01/Micro_Making_File_Editing_Easier_in_Linux_Terminal.shtml
03:51 Techrights-sec; yes I see why, it might be best to roll back to using the class="dropcap-first"
03:51 Techrights-sec; as the marker.
03:51 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Micro: Making File Editing Easier in Linux Terminal"
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03:55 schestowitz-TR2; I hope to stay up all night today (if I can)
03:55 schestowitz-TR2; going to get some tea, let me know if there's something that needs doing
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; I have suprisingly ample free time today
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; I think the US too had soime holiday
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; (but don't keep track of their holidays)
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; rianne gave to 3 elap[hant charities last night, as she said she would upon passing
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; arindam is meanwhile getting on OK, but I need to send him guidance
03:56 schestowitz-TR2; for now we don't have an image uploader, just the informal wget method
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03:58 Techrights-sec; Well to revisit the EPC question,
03:58 Techrights-sec; European Patent Convention (1973)
03:58 Techrights-sec; versus the EPC
03:58 Techrights-sec; European Patent Court (illegla, unconstitutional fraud)
03:58 Techrights-sec; The Wikipedia article on the EPC is garbage and is filled with a lot of
03:58 Techrights-sec; EPO garbage and points to their site a lot. Wikipedia is all about squatting
03:59 Techrights-sec; or parking on a page, plus edit wars, so I am not sure how to address the
03:59 Techrights-sec; question of EPC vs EPC
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; if you check the LF article in wikipedia
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; see the notices at the to
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; *top
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; same issue for FSFE
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; those pages are marketing brochures
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; wikipedia is inherently flawed
03:59 schestowitz-TR2; the PR people just borrow the brand "wikipedia" as an authoritative name
04:00 Techrights-sec; Yes, wikipedia very design is flawed and vulnerable to marketing teams.
04:00 Techrights-sec; See the two paragraphs starting with "However, the EPC provides further indications on what is patentable."
04:00 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_patent_convention
04:00 Techrights-sec; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention
04:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | European Patent Convention - Wikipedia
04:00 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Software patents under the European Patent Convention - Wikipedia
04:00 schestowitz-TR2; "check wikipedia about us" = check what text we're maintaining on wikipedia
04:00 schestowitz-TR2; even their battistelli article is an utter joke
04:05 Techrights-sec; A poor joke at that, yet some how it is necessary to counter it.
04:05 Techrights-sec; I stopped trying to make an effort with Wikipedia after they started sucking up
04:05 Techrights-sec; to m$ over the ODF and standards pages fell under their control. I was rather
04:05 Techrights-sec; sceptical of Wikipedia's premise before that, having seen from the day it was
04:05 Techrights-sec; announced that various squatters and teams took over specific topics and
04:05 Techrights-sec; presented their warped and, often, wrong spin in place of either the established
04:05 Techrights-sec; real-life situation XOR presenting a well-rounded debate / summary of the debate
04:05 Techrights-sec; tldr; the whole thing is a corporate marketing brochure posing as a useful
04:05 Techrights-sec; resource
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; I found out a very long time ago that editing wikipedia is a waste of time unless you fix z typo
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; nobody will roll back a type fix
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; anything else will vanish by the "real owner/s" of a said page
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; it's "look but don't touch"
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; or it's like moving an item at home
04:05 schestowitz-TR2; rianne will sooner or later put it back where it was
04:09 Techrights-sec; yep
04:09 Techrights-sec; no it would be a waste of time to try to edit wikipedia, that's for sure
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; it's a common thing
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; you can move it
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; but it'll be back to the "right" place
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; anywaym wikipedia is not mine
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; like fedora is not mine
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; it's ISCBM's
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; they control the council
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; so it's never my duty to "fix" wikipedia
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; it's illusion of crowdsourcing
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; let it perish
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; the sad thing, corporate and polical articles sink some rather good bios and science articles there
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; like social control media, maybe it'll be better off dead
04:10 schestowitz-TR2; or WE will be better off without it
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; ---
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; when people tell me "Wikipedia says... blah blah, maybe change this and that" I roll by eye a bit
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; just like contacting "journalists"
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; it's a waste of time as the publishers choose not only the topics
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; but also how to cover those topics
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; the sponsors call all the shots
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; so you're 'masturbating' with that fantasy of media still being accountable to readers of "the world"
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; they're agenda pushers, and unless you pay them they don't give a shit about you
04:13 schestowitz-TR2; remember hos microsoft FLEW 'journalists' to write about OOXML. Even people from poor countries.
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; ---
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; while sites that specialise in topics are typically very open to being proven wrong
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; it's not about persistence, like the 'gamification' (or ... gaming) of wikipedia
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; and so you end up not with meritocricy
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; but pateintocracy or people with the deepest pocket playing the longest
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; so basically the way things used to be... was likely better
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; and like social control media, the terrain got easier to game
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; like W-E gaming Microsoft pages
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; they just buy more "players"
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; like nation states making tens of thousands of twitter bots
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; they need not even post anything
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; just game the rating system for "trrend"s and "trending" and false percception of popularity
04:17 schestowitz-TR2; they can cause instability in enemy states this way
04:18 Techrights-sec; ack
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06:29 schestowitz-TR2; seems rianne passed with distinction
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; btw, re nat friendman
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; do we want to expose him before or after he shows up somewhere else?
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; it can be strategic, but...
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; we do have more materisl
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; iirc, his next venture might have been more of that crypto 'coin' scams
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; similar to madame zemlin
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; rianne does not speak in public
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; seeing what I'm subjected to from trolls
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; in spite of not being on the spectrum or anything
06:29 schestowitz-TR2; so she wants to keep a low profile
06:30 schestowitz-TR2; the spouses of miguel and nat are becoming a liability
06:30 schestowitz-TR2; same for jim zemlin
06:30 Techrights-sec; Congratulations to Rianne on the excellent results!
06:30 Techrights-sec; Hard to say, what are the advantages of publishing now? If the material is
06:30 Techrights-sec; publsihed closer to him performing new antics they might have effect. I would
06:30 Techrights-sec; guesstht if they are published now, there is time for them to blow over or
06:30 Techrights-sec; be normalised.
06:30 Techrights-sec; Does the LF have a charter or constitution anywhere? If so, what are the
06:30 Techrights-sec; priorities actually listed there?
06:32 schestowitz-TR2; hang on...
06:32 schestowitz__[TR]; http://techrights.org/2022/09/01/linux-foundation-mission-creep/
06:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Formally Changed Its Mission! (Based on IRS Files) | Techrights
06:33 schestowitz-TR2; spent too much time chasing an older reference
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; I previosuly compared, based ont ehri official site, how things had changed
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; like community being removed
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; and the words changing
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; I did several such posts, buyt would take further work to find for little net benefit
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; though the purpose is, to you, just to affirm what you already knoiw
06:34 schestowitz-TR2; so I needn't convince you at all
06:35 Techrights-sec; Cryptocurrencies are a total waste of electricity and do further damage
06:35 Techrights-sec; by trying to coopt the nickname 'crypto'; The mainstream press encourages that.
06:35 Techrights-sec; (both)
06:35 Techrights-sec; yes but having a document makes it official and possibly a matter on which legal
06:35 Techrights-sec; action can be taken to correct their behavior
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; wait, do you mean there might be a truly legal basis for someone, even not LT himself (too blackmailed, see IRC logs for today and Thursday)
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; , doing something to restore the mission?
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; it did not work in eff, that's for sure
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; gillmore was driven out
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; based on words I saw, not even peacefully
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; they were fueding
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; and he wasn't the survior
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; *vivor
06:37 schestowitz-TR2; *feuding
06:37 Techrights-sec; If they are legally obligated to do certain things according to their charter
06:37 Techrights-sec; then yes
06:39 schestowitz-TR2; based on what I posted yesterday, the IRS keeps getting told different things about what LF actually is
06:39 schestowitz-TR2; imagine patents or other things being like this
06:39 schestowitz-TR2; many laws are
06:39 schestowitz-TR2; constittutions less so
06:39 schestowitz-TR2; but there are amndments and revolutions
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07:05 Techrights-sec; ack
07:05 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.it/flukejones/status/1565495725810921474#m
07:05 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fluke (@flukejones): "As much as I dislike t3chrights website and the dribble posted there, this should be criminal - it looks a lot like cashing out before the crash: http://techrights.org/2022/07/07/baker-salaries/"|nitter.it
07:06 schestowitz-TR2; https://nitter.it/theglitch76/status/1565513833199853571#m
07:06 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Glitch (@theglitch76): "It took me way too long to figure out that "Baker" was a last name and not an occupation"|nitter.it
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11:07 Techrights-sec; Their divergence from their own bylaws is of interest.
11:08 schestowitz-TR2; some people donated to them
11:08 schestowitz-TR2; or paid a share from a penguin0themed credit card
11:08 schestowitz-TR2; I still don't believe there's grounds/basis for a lawsuit
11:08 schestowitz-TR2; unless filed on behalf of Torvalds
11:08 schestowitz-TR2; and likely for something else
11:09 Techrights-sec; ack
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11:51 schestowitz-TR2; rianne "AA distinction"
11:51 schestowitz-TR2; now it's confirmed, they are sending along the physical cert
11:51 schestowitz-TR2; postal sdervice on strike
11:51 Techrights-sec; Nice! Congratulations!
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; there's a country where they revoke your citizenship inside the embassy and then british cops kidnap you on the corridor and steal your laptop, sending
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; it to a third nation
11:56 schestowitz-TR2; and a fourth country puts bugs and secret cameras for the third country and they say it's perfectly OK because of some girls in a fifth country
11:57 Techrights-sec; yep; the kidnapping from inside the embassy is highly illegal and in violation
11:57 Techrights-sec; of what were previously well-respected treaties.
11:57 Techrights-sec; who had /almost/ no issue with the target, just wanting his address
11:57 Techrights-sec; and ended up having lies spread in their names
12:23 Techrights-sec; ack
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; I realise rianne has no video or audio of hers only
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; maybe some photos or use playing pingpong, but that's about it
12:23 Techrights-sec; ack
12:23 schestowitz-TR2; obv she is not "on fb"
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13:55 schestowitz-TR2; I've noticed that special kinds of "spaces" (not visible, but some kind of special chars) cause the CMS to show an odd symbo9l
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; I am familiar with wordpress having trouble with certtin such chars
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; they can invalidate rss feeds at times
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; what a dumb charset design
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; kate shows them as blank with coloured borders around the blank
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; so they are at least a bit visible
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; there is one example of that in arducam (posted just now in TM)
13:55 schestowitz-TR2; it's not the first time today
13:55 Techrights-sec; There are a lot of hidden types of characters. Can you point to a paragraph
13:55 Techrights-sec; or sentence at a URL with an example of the specific one(s) you are thinking
13:55 Techrights-sec; of? They can be processed out easily enough once they are identified.
13:55 Techrights-sec; checking
13:58 schestowitz__[TR]; see second URL in https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/01/today_s_howtos.2.shtml
13:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-news.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines today's howtos"
14:04 Techrights-sec; .
14:04 Techrights-sec; checking
14:04 Techrights-sec; https://invisible-characters.com/200A-HAIR-SPACE.html
14:04 Techrights-sec; Are other unicode characters doing ok?
14:04 Techrights-sec; The data is in the db ok, insofar as the hairspace is preserved.
14:04 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-invisible-characters.com | U+200A HAIR SPACE
14:04 schestowitz-TR2; the other chars are &#something but I made a away to avoid/convert them
14:05 Techrights-sec; I figure that site is probably using it in a legitmimate manner, but I suspect
14:05 Techrights-sec; other use it and other non-printing characters as markers.
14:12 Techrights-sec; I see the problem with the non-printing character but the unicode stuff seems
14:12 Techrights-sec; ok otherwise
14:12 Techrights-sec; checking
14:18 Techrights-sec; do you have an URL handy with some of the other characters which have not yet
14:18 Techrights-sec; been escape and are problematic?
14:19 schestowitz-TR2; I think I can handle the rest OK and I put my changes in rianne's shell scripts too, so the older issue
14:19 schestowitz-TR2; has rarely crept in lately
14:19 schestowitz-TR2; all in all, it's improving over time and we get faster
14:19 schestowitz-TR2; it's just the news getting slower
14:20 Techrights-sec; I'd like to make sure that the output is correct. The input and the db contents
14:20 Techrights-sec; are ok, but this is perhaps a symptom of something else.
14:20 Techrights-sec; The x200A hair spaces can be zapped and replaced with regular spaces, but
14:20 Techrights-sec; if this is symptom of a wider problem it would be best to figure out the
14:20 Techrights-sec; real problem and fix that (and then also zap the x200a hair spaces too)
14:24 schestowitz-TR2; charset and unicode novice here (still getting better over time), but I get warnings like these still
14:24 schestowitz-TR2; any time I post until maybe >50 recent post (the culprit falls off the far edge):
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Creating temporary directories and files
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Creating static XHTML and GemText hierarchies
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Updating SSI files
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Writing the RSS feed for HTTP
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 130.
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Writing the Atom feed for Gemini
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Writing the Gemini index
14:24 schestowitz__[TR]; Pinging via MQTT
14:25 schestowitz__[TR]; Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found.
14:25 schestowitz__[TR]; Erasing temporary directories and their files.
14:26 schestowitz-TR2; marius and rianne see those two warnings/errors too, it might confuse them a bit
14:26 schestowitz-TR2; over time the first few stages also seem to slow down a bit
14:26 schestowitz-TR2; maybe a DB or query optimisation thing
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14:38 Techrights-sec; the db was only in the sketch stage when it was pushed into production so
14:38 Techrights-sec; there are a lot of refinements missing, such as indexes and cascading deletion
14:38 Techrights-sec; the structure could use a lot of improvement but it is uncomfortable, at best,
14:38 Techrights-sec; to rearrange the structure on a database which is in active use while it is in
14:38 Techrights-sec; active use; That'll haunt us for a while.
14:38 Techrights-sec; Indexes might be possible to safely add, once the right values are figured out.
14:38 Techrights-sec; The cascading deletion probably not.
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14:41 schestowitz-TR2; it actuslly looks not so much like a db issue
14:41 schestowitz-TR2; the pages or entries are updated immediately
14:41 schestowitz-TR2; it's when the gemini and web pages get regenrated that it takes a little longer
14:41 schestowitz-TR2; maybe because it does queries against many existing entries, but that is read-only
14:41 schestowitz-TR2; I think it creates the same pages over and over again when in fact, it typically just needs to rewrite about 3 entries because of prev and next
14:42 Techrights-sec; That will be slower than the HTML page generator because so much processing
14:42 Techrights-sec; has to be done under the hood to find and remove HTML structures in a particular
14:42 Techrights-sec; way, in a particular order per document;
14:42 Techrights-sec; Yes, that is likely. It needs to handle skips in sequences better and the
14:42 Techrights-sec; current approach has too much redundancy.
14:43 schestowitz-TR2; you asked, which errors do rianne and marius see
14:43 schestowitz-TR2; the main ones that look off/odd:
14:43 schestowitz-TR2; Wide character in print at /usr/local/bin/tm-generate-feed.pl line 130.
14:43 schestowitz-TR2; Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found.
14:43 Techrights-sec; Oh. The TLS error from mosquitto there, Error: Problem setting TLS options: File not found.
14:43 Techrights-sec; Ok the second one can be addressed. Checking now
14:45 schestowitz-TR2; yes, but I want to emphasise that things are overall good
14:45 schestowitz-TR2; the site had no downtime at all and these niggling issues are typically minor details
14:53 Techrights-sec; That should be good now. Where should the list of MQTT clients be annotated?
14:53 Techrights-sec; You, I, TM, and Git all have ones. The certificates are good for just over
14:53 Techrights-sec; three years. If no other changes are needed between now and then, new ones will
14:53 Techrights-sec; have to be created and deployed then.
14:53 Techrights-sec; The wide character problem won't likely be solvable until upgrading to Rakulang
14:53 Techrights-sec; It might be stifled, but then so would other error messages. Though
14:53 Techrights-sec; there might be a way around just that one line.
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; thanks, excellent.
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; I need to observe, over time, when this issue occurs and what automated substitutions to make
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; it's just a matter of time
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; when you say "the list of MQTT clients" do you mean keeping abrest of all accounts that are hooked to the agent/server?
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; if these APIs are open to all, maybe we can list clients that can be installed
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; much like the gemini software page
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; oh, wait
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; I just saw "tux machines site update"
14:56 schestowitz-TR2; so I assume you configured the client to have a topic
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15:05 Techrights-sec; Yes
15:05 Techrights-sec; that was a test of the new certificate for that client
15:23 Techrights-sec; topic in mqtt corresponds to channel in irc
15:23 Techrights-sec; when a client is subscribed to the topic it can receive messages sent to that
15:23 Techrights-sec; channel, mosquitto_sub shows only the payload of that message nothing else
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; gonna go out to send parcel, pick up something, see how much I can save on food (usually worth the time as if I was paid to work full time)
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; [more so with soaring "RRP"in food shops; we looked at some restaurant menus in town, they too skyrocketed]
15:46 schestowitz-TR2; back in about 2 hours
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17:28 Techrights-sec; ack
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17:31 schestowitz-TR2; sent parcel, earned 10
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; spent 10 on food that would otherwise cost 50
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; total savings 40pounds, in 1-2 hours of walking exercise
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; i hopem this 'life hack' remains feasible for another decade, it can save a ton of money
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; price of milk went up by about 50% in just a number of months
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; didn't noticed until today as we don't buy milk and eggs ypically
17:31 schestowitz-TR2; their price might double soon
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18:54 Techrights-sec; A lot of staple items are increasing in price drastically. Reports here
18:54 Techrights-sec; are that at the same time the farmers are getting the same or less than before.
18:54 Techrights-sec; So one can conclude that it is the shops eating the difference.
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; speaking of farmers, I bet the price of pitchforks went up by a lot
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; so fewer can buy one
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; bargain hunting is one form of protest
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; I had to nag a lot just to get someone to actually serve me at the till
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; prices double, service eliminated
19:05 schestowitz-TR2; some "progress"...
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; ---
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; I have a battle left to win against vgery spicy chilli
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; I bought many packs
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; had to take a break halfway
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; will finish the battle later tonight
19:07 schestowitz-TR2; taking a break, rest, biab
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19:31 Techrights-sec; ack
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