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00:19 schestowitz; [20:40] <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Hello
00:19 schestowitz; [20:41] <xxxxx> Alex pled guilty to get deferred sentence
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04:32 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> COVID-19 Hospitalisations More Than TRIPLED During June; British Government: OK, Let's Start Hiding the Data From the Public! https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/02/covid19-tripled/
04:32 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive COVID-19 Hospitalisations More Than TRIPLED During June; British Government: OK, Lets Start Hiding the Data From the Public!
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05:31 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> British Governments Coronavirus Response Plan/Strategy https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/02/root-issue-is-info/
05:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive British Governments Coronavirus Response Plan/Strategy
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08:54 Techrights-sec2; "permissively-licensed" is in the quote so it cannot be modfied itself,
08:54 Techrights-sec2; but it should be annotated in some way as to point out that the more accurate,
08:54 Techrights-sec2; less loaded term is non-reciprocal.
08:54 Techrights-sec2; The hyperlink "this page" ought to have something semantically relevant
08:54 Techrights-sec2; inside the anchor.
08:54 schestowitz-TR; right, thanks, fixing this now... :-)
08:55 Techrights-sec2; np
08:55 Techrights-sec2; thanks. the explanation ** ought to explicitely say "non-reciprocal" somewhere
08:55 Techrights-sec2; as being the preferred name
09:02 schestowitz-TR; OK, I rewrote the whole footnote in kate
09:04 Techrights-sec2; dua licensing is usually used in conjunction with the GPL and other copyleft
09:04 Techrights-sec2; ^dual
09:04 Techrights-sec2; licenses
09:04 Techrights-sec2; ack
09:06 schestowitz-TR; I thought this when bringing up dual licensing, but with dual sometimes the proprietary parts are "lifted" code without attribution
09:06 schestowitz-TR; they only "donate" what they MUST, i.e. it's not a donation
09:06 schestowitz-TR; it's them afraid of getting sued
09:06 schestowitz-TR; OK, I will plug in a clarification
09:06 Techrights-sec2; with non-reciprocal licenses there is no incentive provided by dual licensing
09:06 Techrights-sec2; so it is a phenomenon which helps GPL;
09:06 Techrights-sec2; that's different, that's "open core" which is a very different activity from
09:06 Techrights-sec2; dual licensing
09:06 Techrights-sec2; dual licensing is either comply with copyleft or pay for a fully proprietary
09:06 Techrights-sec2; license instead (details to be negotaited per customer)
09:06 Techrights-sec2; open core is as you describe it, lifted code which is often without attribution
09:06 Techrights-sec2; thanks
09:08 schestowitz-TR; nobody in the general media will write about graveley like they did about kipman
09:08 schestowitz-TR; it's a taboo like epo corruption
09:08 schestowitz-TR; that's why we got this story in the first place
09:08 schestowitz-TR; mnysignist media
09:08 schestowitz-TR; they covered up for billG for over a year
09:08 schestowitz-TR; until the divorce was made public
09:08 schestowitz-TR; after hailing him as Mister King COVID for OVER A YEAR!
09:09 Techrights-sec2; yes and unfortunatley the plea "deals" work badly; in most cases they punish
09:09 Techrights-sec2; the innocent; and in other cases, like this one, they let the guilty off the
09:09 Techrights-sec2; hook
09:12 Techrights-sec2; one more thing about the licensing, the "open core" stuff has often been
09:12 Techrights-sec2; "crippleware" so that they can use it as bait for a proprietary license
09:12 Techrights-sec2; that is not proper dual licensing because it is *different* code
09:12 Techrights-sec2; dual licensing means two licenses available for the *same* set of code
09:12 schestowitz-TR; yuo taught me something new today
09:17 Techrights-sec2; ?
09:17 Techrights-sec2; I had mistakenly thought it was common knowledge
09:17 Techrights-sec2; Around 20 years ago +/- 5 years there were *lots* of dual licenses projects
09:17 Techrights-sec2; but a-hole MBAs got into many of the projects or sponsor companies and
09:17 Techrights-sec2; out of blind stupidity driven by ideology-over-money eliminated the GPL from
09:17 Techrights-sec2; their code base, switching to any number of non-reciprocal licenses;
09:17 Techrights-sec2; then the money dried up immediately as there was no longer any incentive for
09:17 Techrights-sec2; paying for a proprietary license if a company wished to take the code proprietary
09:17 Techrights-sec2; then the MBAs blamed Open Source for their woes rather than admitting their
09:17 Techrights-sec2; mind boggling stupidity and lack of money sense
09:18 Techrights-sec2; it'd be hard to track down which projects did that since there is so much
09:18 Techrights-sec2; noise on the subject and no uniquely used strings for the lame-ass fulltext
09:18 Techrights-sec2; searches, and the fanatical devotion that many companies have towards deleting
09:18 Techrights-sec2; old, but still relevant, documentation
09:19 schestowitz-TR; alfresco did it, but mysql not quite
09:19 schestowitz-TR; nowadays I heard of alfresco less often than I hear about sco
09:23 Techrights-sec2; sorry for the Arse link: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/01/nokia-qt-lgpl-switch-huge-win-for-cross-platform-development/
09:23 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | Nokia Qt LGPL switch huge win for cross-platform development | Ars Technica
09:24 Techrights-sec2; despite the title it was nearly a deathblow for crossplatform development
09:24 Techrights-sec2; because it almost killed Qt
09:36 schestowitz-TR; I will do this as a separate article
09:36 schestowitz-TR; fell asleep on the chair, worked hard to set up the new acquarium
09:44 Techrights-sec2; ack
10:04 Techrights-sec2; It takes a bit of time and a lot of work to prepare a new acquarium.
10:04 Techrights-sec2; One of the more difficult parts is the wait of several days while it
10:04 Techrights-sec2; establishes itself prior to moving the fish into it.
10:06 schestowitz-TR; we prepare and treat the water days in advance
10:06 schestowitz-TR; chemicals, room temp, de-ionisation
10:06 schestowitz-TR; they seem OK now
10:06 schestowitz-TR; I can email you a video?
10:08 Techrights-sec2; better a link than a whole video
10:38 Techrights-sec2; if it's small, put it in /tmp here on the RPi
10:38 Techrights-sec2; mail is not a surrogate for a file system
10:38 schestowitz-TR; this video is loust
10:38 schestowitz-TR; give me time to upload better ones
10:38 schestowitz-TR; btw, days ago our album passed 5m views
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11:31 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> U.S. and U.K. intelligence services influence https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/01/how-spooks-and-establishment-journalists-are-circling-the-wagons/ | Source: Scheerpost
11:31 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-How Spooks and Establishment Journalists are Circling the Wagons scheerpost.com
11:31 Techrights-sec2; excellent, that's a lot of views
11:35 Techrights-sec2; ack
11:35 Techrights-sec2; scheerpost has covered a lot of important topics
11:35 schestowitz-TR; they don't work for intel services,but SJVN works for an org that fronts for some
11:35 schestowitz-TR; so did SJVN
11:36 schestowitz-TR; now it's a mix, same for Sam Varghese
11:36 schestowitz-TR; they don't work for intel services,but SJVN works for an org that fronts for some
11:37 Techrights-sec2; ack
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16:39 schestowitz-TR; we got 2 pineapples (raw) for quarter price, some is open and sliced in the kitchen
16:39 schestowitz-TR; given determination, finding affordable food is possible here
16:39 schestowitz-TR; rianne treats that like a game/challenge
16:39 schestowitz-TR; it'll be a good skill if we work weekends only
16:39 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> The Linux Mint Blog Monthly News - June 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166755 maybe LMDE should rebase on Devuan
16:39 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Mint Blog Monthly News - June 2022 | Tux Machines
16:40 schestowitz-TR; mint is getting some systemd fatigue
16:40 schestowitz-TR; and turning soem things off now
16:41 Techrights-sec2; That would be a very good move for Linux Mint and as a bonus it would bring
16:41 Techrights-sec2; additional support to Devuan, both work and attention
16:42 schestowitz-TR; LMDE is meant as n insurance policy
16:42 schestowitz-TR; in case ubuntu goes very wrong
16:42 schestowitz-TR; mint already tries to block snap
16:42 schestowitz-TR; LMDE could become also insurance policy against ICBM pushing systemsDEHOMAG
16:43 Techrights-sec2; but if Ubuntu goes wrong it will most likely be due to a bad turn originating
16:43 Techrights-sec2; from Debian and, in all probability, systemd
16:44 schestowitz-TR; I forgot the other derogatorey term I used for systemd the other day in IRC
16:44 schestowitz-TR; but it's not important
16:44 schestowitz-TR; I could blow my mind trying to recall
16:45 schestowitz-TR; maybe systemd Defective, but probably not
16:46 Techrights-sec2; systemd advance because of IBM's backing and only because of it,
16:46 Techrights-sec2; furthermore the only two methods they had to promote it w
16:46 Techrights-sec2; were 1) appeal to novely and 2) ad hominem against anyone who even
16:46 Techrights-sec2; questioned it
16:51 Techrights-sec2; ^W^W or failed to praise it
16:51 Techrights-sec2; the behavior of the Debian TC was bizarre and the way that so many knuckled
16:51 Techrights-sec2; under was bizarre. There was absolutely no rational reason for Ubuntu to
16:51 Techrights-sec2; fold at all, let alone so quickly
16:51 Techrights-sec2; and completely
16:52 schestowitz-TR; ubuntu did this before of Debian
16:52 schestowitz-TR; same now happens with wayland
16:52 schestowitz-TR; I never used wayland, but from what I read it would kill a lot of fuctionality that I really need
16:56 Techrights-sec2; yes, they had a choice early on and decided to kill any chance that Wayland
16:56 Techrights-sec2; could have had for success
16:56 Techrights-sec2; by eliminating key functionality
16:56 Techrights-sec2; X11 need replacing beause of the holes / irreparable bugdoors but
16:56 Techrights-sec2; a proper replacement would have hardened GNU/Linux and the BSDs too much
16:56 Techrights-sec2; so (I suspect) that was a factor in killiing/crippling Wayland
16:56 Techrights-sec2; Now it's something no one wants and they will have to pound it through
16:56 Techrights-sec2; in a similar way that they pounded systemd through but now people have learned
16:56 Techrights-sec2; their lessions and are extra cautious and alert to the tricks
16:57 Techrights-sec2; It's hard to believe but just 20 years ago IBMs interest overlapped with
16:57 Techrights-sec2; GNU/Linux quite nicely, but I figure all the execs involved retired and
16:57 Techrights-sec2; were replaced by Bill worshipers
16:57 Techrights-sec2; even though Bill and his minions were, and still are, very bad for IBM
16:57 Techrights-sec2; and its future survival
16:57 Techrights-sec2; s/future/ongoing/
17:10 schestowitz-TR; All the "HEY HI" in thw world is not improving foreacasts
17:10 schestowitz-TR; here too they cannot even guess the 24 hours ahead3~
17:17 schestowitz-TR; hang on, starting work in 10 mins
17:17 schestowitz-TR; just got updates for July in statcounter, maybe an hour ago they started showing new data
17:17 schestowitz-TR; you too can look for interesting slices throiugh the data
17:17 schestowitz-TR; like countries and metrics
17:17 schestowitz-TR; it's far form perfect
17:17 schestowitz-TR; but it's what we have
17:17 Techrights-sec2; ok
17:28 Techrights-sec2; ok
17:28 Techrights-sec2; Firefox jumped up in FI
17:28 Techrights-sec2; ok
17:28 Techrights-sec2; Firefox jumped up in FI
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17:36 Techrights-sec2; India is strange, >10% unkown:
17:36 Techrights-sec2; https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop-console/india/#monthly-202105-202206
17:36 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-gs.statcounter.com | Desktop & Console Operating System Market Share India | Statcounter Global Stats
17:36 schestowitz-TR; handing over work
17:36 schestowitz-TR; than will have draft
17:36 schestowitz-TR; k, draft
17:37 schestowitz-TR; read "unknown" as "not Windows"
17:37 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft goes out of its way to advertise itself
17:37 schestowitz-TR; and some "Windows" are botnets running amuk
17:37 Techrights-sec2; yes and these are only approximations anyway
17:42 schestowitz-TR; adding india
17:43 Techrights-sec2; about the title, the lost marketshare is shown for June. The month of July has
17:43 Techrights-sec2; not yet happened so there are no stats yet, but one can guess based on the long
17:43 Techrights-sec2; standing trend that the downturn for Windows will continue
17:44 schestowitz-TR; using a trick you can see market for July (so far)
17:44 schestowitz-TR; that's why I was waiting until today
17:44 schestowitz-TR; also watch the graph and click the links
17:44 schestowitz-TR; the india links shows july 2022
17:44 schestowitz-TR; I removed consoles from it
17:44 schestowitz-TR; you chose "desktop"-console"
17:45 schestowitz-TR; added link for vista11 being at 1%
17:56 Techrights-sec2; ack
17:56 schestowitz-TR; so note that we are (afaik) the only site covering this angle
17:56 schestowitz-TR; omg ubuntu and other idiots still push the windows "90%" or 95% lie
17:56 schestowitz-TR; athe corporte media looks the other way
17:56 schestowitz-TR; "analysts sell out.. it's their business model"
17:56 schestowitz-TR; I notice not many based "open source" stuidies purely on shithub ANYMORE
17:56 schestowitz-TR; so that's progress
17:57 Techrights-sec2; yes
17:57 Techrights-sec2; ubuntu got taken over via mono MOTU and via Canonical's infiltration
17:57 Techrights-sec2; when they cancled Bug #1 it was clear they no longer were going to stic
17:57 Techrights-sec2; k around. Also notice that Ubuntu/Canonical has passed up a great many
17:57 Techrights-sec2; opportunities to expand on the desktop by exploiting M$ blunders
17:59 schestowitz-TR; they worry that "disparaging" Microsoft would harm "CLOWN" revenues
17:59 schestowitz-TR; that's how Microsoft prefers it
17:59 schestowitz-TR; make your rivals fearful of competing
17:59 schestowitz-TR; antitrust MIA
17:59 schestowitz-TR; it mostly started when mark shuttleworth wrote a blog ost infurating many people by calling
17:59 schestowitz-TR; azure "exciting"
17:59 schestowitz-TR; a long time ago
18:01 schestowitz-TR; [11:42] <techrights-news> The day after Russias February invasion of Ukraine, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Mark Warner sent a letter to Google https://www.propublica.org/article/google-russia-rutarget-sberbank-sanctions-ukraine | Source: Pro Publica should disclose it takes bribes from Bill Gates, so won't cover Microsoft and Gates crimes
18:01 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.propublica.org | Google Let Sberbank-Owned RuTarget Harvest User Data for Months ProPublica
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18:01 Techrights-sec2; yep that was after he'd already been corrupted or fooled
18:01 Techrights-sec2; they had already taken on M$ toads onto the payroll at that point
18:01 Techrights-sec2; antitrust capabilities inthe US were defunded and then the remaining skeleton
18:01 Techrights-sec2; crew was sicced on Google, leaving Oracle, Facebook, Microsoft, and the others
18:01 Techrights-sec2; to operate unimpeded
18:06 schestowitz-TR; as matey said some weeks ago, he's looking for the "big story" and that story is not coverage
18:06 schestowitz-TR; like epo corruption, windows going down etc.
18:06 schestowitz-TR; we need to repeat what is under-covered
18:06 schestowitz-TR; until it becomes common knowledge
18:06 schestowitz-TR; the big budgets are against us, unlike the verifiable facts
18:06 schestowitz-TR; but then again, it has always been that way
18:06 Techrights-sec2; ack
18:06 schestowitz-TR; kings never let the peasants speak freely
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18:57 schestowitz; https://diaspora.psyco.fr/posts/8705094#2094e780d1c9013a9a3252540014a95d
18:57 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.psyco.fr | Corporate Media Funded by Microsoft Tries to Blame Every Security-R...
18:57 schestowitz; "
18:57 schestowitz; Tek #aEvl_us <#> {
18:57 schestowitz;
18:57 schestowitz; all the shit people use windblows for
18:57 schestowitz; "
18:58 schestowitz; https://diaspora.psyco.fr/posts/8725523#95f8bae0d626013a92ee28a1592b385a
18:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-diaspora.psyco.fr | Classic Confinement in Snaps and Reasons Flatpaks and Snaps Are Gre...
18:58 schestowitz; "Safer but slower."
19:54 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> UK COVID-19 Patients in July 2022 Six Times More Than in July 2021 and Three Times More Than in July 2020 https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/02/10k-patients-summertime/
19:54 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-schestowitz.com Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Patients in July 2022 Six Times More Than in July 2021 and Three Times More Than in July 2020
19:54 schestowitz-TR; bravo to borisnaro
19:56 Techrights-sec2; ack
19:57 schestowitz-TR; not related to techrights (also reputatioon risk because of the narratives), but another one of those
19:57 schestowitz-TR; things either suppressed or misrepresented in the media
19:57 schestowitz-TR; so I'll keep at it
19:57 schestowitz-TR; I have "too much" time this weekend, so any video/article idea would help
19:57 schestowitz-TR; I am doing the dual licence one now
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20:19 schestowitz-TR; draft
20:22 schestowitz-TR; I'e not yet checked for typos at all
20:22 schestowitz-TR; nor have I chosen title, summary, image
20:22 schestowitz-TR; I'm meanwhile looking at some other refs to make a coherent story
20:22 Techrights-sec2; ack
20:24 Techrights-sec2; what is the gist of Ve's video? Videos are very time consuming to click on
20:24 Techrights-sec2; so it would be advantageous to know what it is about and if it is to be clicked
20:24 Techrights-sec2; on;
20:24 Techrights-sec2; thanks
20:24 Techrights-sec2; most are, and they are so slow to deal with compared to reading and
20:24 Techrights-sec2; they are not searchable nor are they conveniently quotable
20:25 schestowitz-TR; I will add a gist, I watched part of it while shaving
20:25 schestowitz-TR; it's a bit boring tbh, but he's very knowledgeable of KDE stuff
20:25 schestowitz-TR; being hard to quote is a plu
20:25 schestowitz-TR; *plus
20:25 schestowitz-TR; when covering particular sensitive topics
20:26 Techrights-sec2; ack
20:26 Techrights-sec2; I should keep a list of topics handy
20:26 Techrights-sec2; what topics which have bee covered in the last 48 hours could be covered in
20:26 Techrights-sec2; more detail. IIRC there were several articles which you had commented about
20:26 Techrights-sec2; returning to certain details, but I cannot recall which ones specifically.
20:26 Techrights-sec2; There are also the M$ spin where M$ is dishonestly misrepresented as any kind
20:26 Techrights-sec2; of authority, especially the false narrative that they have anything to do
20:26 Techrights-sec2; with computer security, aside from the fact that they have impaired it for
20:26 Techrights-sec2; decades. Then there is the false narrative in M$ media about attacks
20:26 Techrights-sec2; being the same as breaches and that an attack always leads to a breach
20:26 Techrights-sec2; checking
20:26 Techrights-sec2; please fix spellin the quotes, even though they are quotes the mispellings
20:26 Techrights-sec2; are not intended
20:26 Techrights-sec2; The are other articles besides the Qt one but I'm not surewhere to look atm
20:27 schestowitz-TR; being hard to quote is a plu
20:27 schestowitz-TR; *plus
20:27 schestowitz-TR; when covering particular sensitive topics
20:27 Techrights-sec2; agreed, but many of the topics covered by most people's videos are the kind
20:27 Techrights-sec2; of thing the would want quoted easily and (ideally) frequently
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