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1 AM, January 2

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3 AM, January 2

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4 AM, January 2

04:11 schestowitz-TR; tarring /var/www/tuxmachines

04:11 schestowitz-TR; doing a few more backups

04:11 schestowitz-TR; a month from now we should have faster connection at home

04:11 schestowitz-TR; that wouldhelp with offsite backups

04:12 schestowitz-TR; oh, I see this backup now includes your static gallery mirror

04:28 techrightssec2; the gallery mirror should not be backed up yet, so that is an oversight

04:28 techrightssec2; the methods for converting the gallery to a static site are still being hammered

04:28 techrightssec2; out and will need more time. perhaps the simplest way is to delete that directory hierarchy for now?

04:30 schestowitz-TR; no need, it's OK

04:30 schestowitz-TR; the gz file for the htdoc is about 1.7gb

04:30 schestowitz-TR; instead of about 700mb

04:30 schestowitz-TR; not a huge deal

04:30 schestowitz-TR; I like to keep such dumps in case the db breaks itself or something

04:30 schestowitz-TR; lots of work going into that site

04:30 schestowitz-TR; i try to think ahead pessimistically for D-R purposes

04:30 schestowitz-TR; in fact, I need to back up my laptops again today, before news "picks up"

04:31 techrightssec2; but the gallery is only partially there in that directory.

04:31 schestowitz-TR; the "master copy" is in old, or rather, in the db container (mariadb)

04:33 techrightssec2; ack

04:33 techrightssec2; \

04:35 schestowitz-TR; am downloading full file system backup of my personal site atm

04:35 schestowitz-TR; over 20 years of stuff

04:35 schestowitz-TR; I've just done a second pass through gemini due to new year's tasks

04:35 schestowitz-TR; and did in fact find an oversight

04:35 schestowitz-TR; there was a bulletin index page missing the link to the new year

04:35 schestowitz-TR; so I'm not satisfied all is covered

04:35 schestowitz-TR; and added that to my node for next year (jan 2024)

04:35 schestowitz-TR; i can finally say I caught up with ress feeds (jan 2nd)

04:35 schestowitz-TR; i paced it that way

04:37 techrightssec2; ack

04:38 schestowitz-TR; due to economic woes LOTS of sites shut down, quietly

04:38 schestowitz-TR; this means lots of history is lost

04:38 schestowitz-TR; if you endure this, you might be the last one to cover topics x y and z

04:38 schestowitz-TR; that in itself has importanace

04:38 techrightssec2; strangely short clips: >http://techrights.org/2023/01/01/richard-stallman-nit-calicut/

http://techrights.org/2023/01/01/richard-stallman-nit-calicut/

04:38 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Richard Stallman Recently Went to India to Give Talks | Techrights

04:43 schestowitz-TR; those are the only ones that I could find

04:43 schestowitz-TR; and only today

04:43 schestowitz-TR; at least evidence he was hopping between unis there

04:43 schestowitz-TR; fsf did not even mention that

04:43 techrightssec2; ok\

04:43 schestowitz-TR; as if they fear people who contact deans

04:43 schestowitz-TR; an org that hides its own father, news at 11

04:43 schestowitz-TR; fsf used to announce almost all his talks in advance

04:43 schestowitz-TR; using site calendars and rss

04:43 schestowitz-TR; the other people who arrange talks in this way (punblic speaking) are neonazis

04:43 schestowitz-TR; not just to avoid cancelation but also deportation

04:43 schestowitz-TR; maybe rms can be the new paul robeson

04:43 schestowitz-TR; the register trolled FS yesterday

04:43 schestowitz-TR; simon sharwood, mentioned in irc several times

04:43 schestowitz-TR; like FS is a weapon for "china" and "Russia"

04:47 techrightssec2; The FSF doesn't even announce his talks after the fact nor do they provide

04:47 techrightssec2; videos any more. Something has gone south at FSF, especially in light of

04:47 techrightssec2; other recent announcements. Too bad.\

04:48 schestowitz-TR; there are new, creative tactitics against

04:48 schestowitz-TR; fsf and gnu

04:48 schestowitz-TR; plagiarism as a service (copilot)

04:48 schestowitz-TR; canceling

04:48 schestowitz-TR; all this "ethical" BS

04:48 schestowitz-TR; where they say, block china or else!

04:48 schestowitz-TR; we'll see more of that

04:48 schestowitz-TR; the only way for "Linux" to be accepted into the mainstream if for LF (i.e. pantagon) to control

04:48 schestowitz-TR; it first, with drm and valve and...

04:48 schestowitz-TR; and we need to reject that

04:49 techrightssec2; Apropos China, the whine in congress against ByteDance has been about

04:49 techrightssec2; surveillance only not manipulation or, worse, health damage.

04:49 techrightssec2; s/health/physical and mental health/

04:51 schestowitz-TR; the media did fill the gap a bit

04:51 schestowitz-TR; by covering all aspects

04:51 schestowitz-TR; (what's left of the media... not much)

04:51 schestowitz-TR; I've spoken about some of these issues for more than 5 years

04:51 schestowitz-TR; esp. what a storm that causes in the brain

04:51 schestowitz-TR; cannot concentrate

04:51 schestowitz-TR; I was using twitter a lot in the golden days of wikileaks

04:53 techrightssec2; Some of the politicians seem to be somewhat open about the desire to enable

04:53 techrightssec2; surveillance for their interests while blocking surveillance from competing

04:53 techrightssec2; interests. However, they do that by ignoring the intentional damage that

04:53 techrightssec2; ByteDance and, to a certain extent, Meta do to physical and mental health of

04:53 techrightssec2; their victims^wsubscribers


5 AM, January 2

05:19 schestowitz-TR; i have a lot of thoughts on that, but further thinking and input from articles (imc. Daily Links)

05:19 schestowitz-TR; will make our arguments more convincing

05:19 schestowitz-TR; the goal is to get people to frame and to explain the problems correctly

05:19 schestowitz-TR; as with... war on cash... "self-checkout" etc.

05:19 schestowitz-TR; to the point where more people quit using skinnerboxes and "social" "media"

05:19 schestowitz-TR; one nice thing would be, more people on gemini/rss/irc

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05:29 schestowitz-TR; not sure if bug or not

05:29 schestowitz-TR; somehow arindam posted a story with a title blank

05:29 schestowitz-TR; that caused some consistency issues in the site

05:29 schestowitz-TR; I got the url from gemini side

05:29 schestowitz-TR; and updated

05:29 schestowitz-TR; added title

05:30 schestowitz-TR; this mostly resolved things, but maybe not fully

05:30 schestowitz-TR; the navigation arrows link to it, but not the index below

05:30 schestowitz-TR; it is still there in the rss feed. i am strating to suspect he entered invalid title,, e.g. a url

05:30 schestowitz-TR; ah, ok, it is there in updated at the top, so it's gone from nowhere

05:30 schestowitz-TR; long story short, a story with void title got added somehow, but changing it to have one seems to have

05:30 schestowitz-TR; solved everything, no db consistency issues afaictr

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8 AM, January 2

08:34 techrightssec2; """

08:34 techrightssec2; ...Gasse recanted, saying, "I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I

08:34 techrightssec2; deserve it." \

08:34 techrightssec2; """

08:34 techrightssec2; https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

↺ https://birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/

08:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader

08:34 techrightssec2; https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/

↺ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/

08:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techcrunch.com | Ubuntu-maker Canonical now plans to IPO in 2023

08:34 techrightssec2; exit plan\

08:34 techrightssec2; https://linuxiac.com/canonical-considering-ipo-in-2023-what-it-means-for-ubuntu-users/

↺ https://linuxiac.com/canonical-considering-ipo-in-2023-what-it-means-for-ubuntu-users/

08:34 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxiac.com | Canonical Considering IPO in 2023: What It Means for Ubuntu Users

08:34 schestowitz-TR; yes, no users, lower value

08:34 schestowitz-TR; they don't make anything truly essential anyway

08:34 schestowitz-TR; red hat does a lot of gnome

08:35 techrightssec2; No uses anymore thanks to Mark and co selling out to m$, a company which wants

08:35 techrightssec2; Canonical and its flagship product, Ubuntu, quite dead after a bit of public

08:35 techrightssec2; humiliation


9 AM, January 2

09:46 schestowitz-TR; apropos destroing canonical in this way, see my latest post

09:46 schestowitz-TR; going to work out now

09:46 schestowitz-TR; lots of material to come this year, it ain't pretty

09:47 techrightssec2; Checking

09:47 techrightssec2; About the shell company?

09:48 schestowitz-TR; yes

09:48 schestowitz-TR; compulsory signing of new contract

09:48 schestowitz-TR; not sure about uk law, but I'm quite sure employers cannot do that

09:48 schestowitz-TR; and breaches some protocols

09:48 schestowitz-TR; like giving me time to check with lawyer

09:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe i can consult a lawyer now to see if what they did was even legal

09:48 schestowitz-TR; we've not reached that part yet, it'll take weeks


10 AM, January 2

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11 AM, January 2

11:03 schestowitz-TR; Controversy of init and systemd in Linux https://linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/

↺ https://linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/

↺ gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxtldr.com/init-vs-systemd/

11:03 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linuxtldr.com | Controversy of 'init' and 'systemd' in Linux

11:03 schestowitz-TR; the author wanted to post in Techrights too

11:03 schestowitz-TR; thoughts?

11:22 techrightssec2; checking

11:22 techrightssec2; Waffle is not Gemini :(

11:22 techrightssec2; The linked HTTPS article has rather lame content in that it does not delve

11:22 techrightssec2; into the issues like is needed. Some points have been missed, for example\

11:22 techrightssec2; systemd is /not/ an init system even if it might contain one.

11:22 techrightssec2; Another SystemD article there omits any hint of the politics that forced

11:22 techrightssec2; SystemD into Debian via the TC and thus into 100s of derivatives.

11:22 techrightssec2; Popular != Common

11:22 techrightssec2; I dunno the articles spot checked are not up to the 9to5 Linux level or OMG Ubuntu level

11:22 techrightssec2; By the way, I am wondering if the scaping method is an appropriate direction at

11:23 techrightssec2; all because it's starting to look like the same images get downloaded multiple

11:23 techrightssec2; times. I suppose it would be possilbe to find duplicates and replace them with\hard links instead though. Thoug

11:23 techrightssec2; hts?

11:23 schestowitz-TR; dupe detection does work

11:23 schestowitz-TR; but not perfect

11:23 schestowitz-TR; I'd leave TM as it is

11:32 techrightssec2; Leaving the legacy site as it is creates a liability of unmaintained software

11:32 techrightssec2; neede for content which seems to be archivable as a static site.

11:32 techrightssec2; If it can be upgraded to static content the CMS can be decommissioned and an

11:32 techrightssec2; expensive, large VM removed.

11:32 schestowitz-TR; i was referring to the static part

11:32 schestowitz-TR; assuming you meant the uploader

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11:39 techrightssec2; Oh. I am referring to the gallery and other components still on tm-old

11:50 schestowitz-TR; makes sense

11:50 schestowitz-TR; I think I gradually become as productive as I was in 2009

11:50 schestowitz-TR; when I had more spare time

11:50 schestowitz-TR; we can pick up speed asI re-adjust back to normal sleeping hours

11:55 techrightssec2; ack

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noon, January 2

12:11 schestowitz-TR; No, EFF hardly did anything about software patents or "Patent Trolls" last year https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/seeing-patent-trolls-clearly-2022-review | Source: EFF

↺ https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/12/seeing-patent-trolls-clearly-2022-review

12:11 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.eff.org | Seeing Patent Trolls Clearly: 2022 in Review | Electronic Frontier Foundation

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12:56 schestowitz-TR; i did a 44-min video to demonstrate how little eff was doing to combat not just EPO

12:56 schestowitz-TR; but also anyting patent-related

12:58 schestowitz-TR; See the "Note"; seems like a Microsoft propaganda site and Microsoft is, in fact, a media partner https://analyticsindiamag.com/toxic-linux-community-acting-as-the-perfect-repellent-for-new-users/

↺ https://analyticsindiamag.com/toxic-linux-community-acting-as-the-perfect-repellent-for-new-users/

12:58 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-analyticsindiamag.com | 'Toxic' Linux Community Acting As the Perfect Repellent for New Users

12:59 schestowitz-TR; maybe he got some email about GNU and decided to add horns and scorn to tux


1 PM, January 2

13:04 psydruid; this looks like a write-up by someone from Microsoft the comical media company

13:04 techrightssec2; The graphics is secondary to the multiple lies propagated in that link.

13:04 schestowitz-TR; reddit, byfieldism.. I'd say bin the site

13:04 schestowitz-TR; I've seen enough

13:04 schestowitz-TR; seen his history, not just the site's

13:05 schestowitz-TR; I used to skip that site

13:05 schestowitz-TR; as it was full of Microsoft lies

13:05 schestowitz-TR; now we know Microsoft is also paying them

13:05 schestowitz-TR; worth doing a video about?

13:05 schestowitz-TR; or waste of time/publicity for them?

13:06 psydruid; Windows does NOT just work

13:06 psydruid; macOS does NOT just work

13:07 psydruid; yes, I would do a video about them

13:07 psydruid; they're from India, the rest of the world doesn't care that much

13:07 psydruid; but Microsoft knows it can exceed certain limits there

13:08 psydruid; more than it would in western media

13:08 psydruid; and they know the next billions of potential users are in Asia and Africa

13:09 psydruid; so it's a serious matter of life and death for Microsoft

13:09 schestowitz-TR; psydruid: this is one of two articles of his

13:09 schestowitz-TR; both anti-Linux

13:09 schestowitz-TR; in two days

13:09 psydruid; Analytics India Mag should think twice about sending this kind if message into the world and should be punished for it now

13:09 schestowitz-TR; you can see the other one in his history

13:09 schestowitz-TR; Analytics India Mag takes Microsoft money

13:10 schestowitz-TR; they even admit this

13:10 schestowitz-TR; "brand" partner

13:10 psydruid; yes, a lot is at stake at thus crossroads

13:10 schestowitz-TR; so you see how much Microsoft loves Linux

13:10 psydruid; punish them for it now

13:10 psydruid; so they learn a lesson very quickly

13:10 schestowitz-TR; ok, hang on

13:10 schestowitz-TR; but

13:10 schestowitz-TR; no links

13:10 schestowitz-TR; just screenshots

13:10 schestowitz-TR; hang on

13:11 psydruid; I see a lot of those Indian so-called FOSS sites sell out

13:11 psydruid; that will be fine

13:14 techrightssec2;

13:14 techrightssec2; Well, the "toxic" part is not Linux but systemd

13:14 techrightssec2; Yes, it is a matter of life and death for m$ there in India. While India

13:14 techrightssec2; has most of the worst engineers and programmers it also has some of the very

13:14 techrightssec2; best too, and the nation could rather easily reach a tipping point towards

13:14 techrightssec2; software freedom if m$ and its minions cannot maintain tight control over

13:14 techrightssec2; the print media.

13:14 psydruid; I worked at a data integration company

13:14 psydruid; I never touched Windows or Microsoft tools

13:15 psydruid; missions critical infrastructure doesn't use Microsoft

13:15 psydruid; mission-critical*

13:22 schestowitz-TR; i want to ask quickly

13:22 schestowitz-TR; the thing tou said about ibm and microsoft as brand partners

13:22 schestowitz-TR; is that the animated stuff, like carousel?

13:22 schestowitz-TR; i am taking screenshot

13:22 schestowitz-TR; is there another place?

13:26 schestowitz-TR; crude draft, not even previewed yet

13:26 techrightssec2; ?

13:26 techrightssec2; contexrt?

13:29 techrightssec2; https://analyticsindiamag.com/about/

↺ https://analyticsindiamag.com/about/

13:29 techrightssec2; scroll down to "Brands We Partner With"

13:29 techrightssec2; Anything positive they wrote must have been either a fluke or merely baiting

13:29 techrightssec2; the hook

13:29 techrightssec2; "I use 'Linux' at home but ..." type of stuffd

13:29 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-analyticsindiamag.com | About Analytics India Magazine

13:29 schestowitz-TR; is the draft ok?

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13:40 techrightssec2; checking

13:40 techrightssec2; some links to counter points would help, such as showing desktop market

13:40 techrightssec2; \share with and without android, showing supercomputer marketshare ;) and

13:40 techrightssec2; so on. There were also some usability studies around showing that GNU/Linux

13:40 techrightssec2; has been much easier to use on the desktop than M$ for decades now.

13:40 techrightssec2; The canard brought up there is installation but 1) installation is eaiser on

13:40 techrightssec2; GNU/Linux anyway, but 2) installation is irrelevant because people buy with

13:40 techrightssec2; a system pre-installed, see the birdhouse link about the idea that the OEMs

13:40 techrightssec2; have no technical barrier to having the hardware come pre-loaded with a choice

13:40 techrightssec2; of several systems and that the purchaser chooses upon first boot.

13:41 schestowitz-TR; I think I'll use these notes and chain that into a video next time I record (tomorrow morning, we

13:41 schestowitz-TR; cover some ISO crap)

13:41 techrightssec2; ok but no direct quoting of the above please

13:41 schestowitz-TR; ok, sure

13:41 schestowitz-TR; just notes for the mind

13:44 schestowitz-TR; i suspect he'll carry on, so having a page or two to link two for rebuttal can help

13:44 schestowitz-TR; like we did icbm before it started viciously attacking the community as "sexist" and "racist"

13:47 psydruid; my mom hasn't used Windows in 6 years since a ransomware attack took out Windows 7

13:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe we need to watch AIM just to monitor for further hatchet jobs

13:48 psydruid; of course all the real data was on a separate drive inaccessible to Windows

13:48 schestowitz-TR; not sure

13:48 psydruid; but she'll never use that malware again

13:49 psydruid; my uncle likewise hasn't used Windows in years

13:49 psydruid; these are normal people, who aren't tech-savvy

13:49 schestowitz-TR; About AIM, I told you months ago they were Microsofters

13:49 schestowitz-TR; it might be worth still watching them

13:49 schestowitz-TR; and putting in other_links

13:49 schestowitz-TR; to see if they keep at it

13:49 psydruid; my cousin told me to erase Windows 10 from his laptop

13:49 schestowitz-TR; and respond

13:52 schestowitz-TR; cool:)

13:56 techrightssec2; ack


2 PM, January 2

14:00 psydruid; reading the Serif forum thread about GNU/Linux support it has become clear to me that entire fields are on GNU/Linux now with just a few applications not being ported over probably due to underhanded tactics and secret agreements with Microsoft and Apple

14:01 psydruid; GNU/Linux adoption is artificially limited at this point

14:08 techrightssec2; They're M$ "partners" so they will only be able to parrot m$ talking points.

14:08 techrightssec2; Though that is annoying it does show what m$ is paying fools to spew to the

14:08 techrightssec2; public these days.

14:24 psydruid; there are more closed source products that work on all 3

14:24 schestowitz-TR; yeah

14:25 psydruid; https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/

↺ https://www.qoppa.com/pdfstudio/

14:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.qoppa.com | PDF Studio - PDF Editor Software for Mac, Windows and Linux

14:25 psydruid; https://www.bricsys.com/nl-nl

↺ https://www.bricsys.com/nl-nl

14:25 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Bricsys | 2D & 3D CAD Software

14:26 psydruid; http://www.viva.us/en/products/desktop-publishing/vivadesigner-desktop-version

↺ http://www.viva.us/en/products/desktop-publishing/vivadesigner-desktop-version

14:26 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.viva.us | VivaDesigner (Desktop)

14:26 techrightssec2; The R-Project is probably one example of a field which is artificially being

14:26 techrightssec2; hobbled to keep *any* Windoze around

14:27 psydruid; markets are changing, so we can expect more M$ and Apple FUD in the near future

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3 PM, January 2

15:01 schestowitz-TR; yes, Apple too

15:01 schestowitz-TR; but Apple tends to proxy a bit via cultists

15:01 schestowitz-TR; not just MVPs and such

15:56 techrightssec2; m$ recent aggression might be due to both a bad financial situation combined

15:56 techrightssec2; with growing political awareness of the importance of ending m$ deployments

15:56 techrightssec2; in production (and development) environments.

15:57 techrightssec2;

15:57 techrightssec2; CNet and others are pushing spam but it is the nature of the spam which is

15:57 techrightssec2; telling. By selling "lifetime" subscriptions, m$ is making a grab for the data\and hoping that people will fall

15:57 techrightssec2; for the sunk cost fallacy some more.


4 PM, January 2

16:15 psydruid; in India GNU/Linux is the main competitor to M$, not Apple

16:15 psydruid; so that probably explains why they think they have to be aggressive now


8 PM, January 2

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