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07:17 schestowitz-TR; [topic] Fedora suffers from software patents, removes features, while IBM lobbies for such patents and gives software patents to patent trolls (in sales)
07:56 Techrights-sec; ack
08:28 Techrights-sec; EFF's site seems not to be in chronological order; WTF?
08:28 schestowitz-TR; moz the same
08:28 schestowitz-TR; it is the new fashion
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08:35 schestowitz-TR; like twitter
08:35 schestowitz-TR; optmised for "engagement"
08:35 schestowitz-TR; not usability
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09:09 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Strike 1 for hackaday... after doing a Microsoft puff piece, in effect abetting criminals https://hackaday.com/2022/09/30/microsoft-wants-you-to-help-with-assistive-tech/ | Source: Hackaday
09:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft Wants You (To Help With Assistive Tech) | Hackaday
09:12 Techrights-sec; Hackaday is a mixed bag but all publishers are in the crosshairs at M$
09:12 Techrights-sec; Change of editors there is important to take note of
09:12 Techrights-sec; ^topic
09:13 schestowitz-TR; when they change editor some months ago the quality sank and linux is mentioned less
09:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe after a strike 2 it's worth covering
09:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe the tip came from a Microsoft rep pitching it to them
09:14 schestowitz-TR; like "Elizabeth" in Solyent News, who jokes about Microsoft opionions not counting... because "hate".. and "sexism"
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09:31 Techrights-sec; ack
09:32 schestowitz-TR; not worth even spending energy on trolls, in some sense..
09:32 schestowitz-TR; but to identity them and help others identify them too
09:36 schestowitz-TR; ddi you see my items above
09:36 schestowitz-TR; re a) torvalds
09:36 schestowitz-TR; b) cisa
09:36 schestowitz-TR; c) covid
09:36 schestowitz-TR; I am going to meet a friend soon, will wear 2 masks
09:37 Techrights-sec; Yes, I though I commented on CISA
09:40 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:02
09:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022
09:40 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:29
09:40 Techrights-sec; aka plagiarism
09:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022
09:42 schestowitz-TR; yes, i try now to do anything perceived to be time-wasting
09:42 schestowitz-TR; but we'll see if the two [topics] in my kate file will last the weekend
09:42 schestowitz-TR; it's the security links (3) and fedora swpats thing so far
09:43 Techrights-sec; regarding machine learning:
09:43 Techrights-sec; https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en
09:43 Techrights-sec; ^ topic
09:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ec.europa.eu | Have your say
09:44 Techrights-sec; (either machine learning in general or machine learning and copyright violation
09:44 Techrights-sec; GPL evasion)
09:44 schestowitz-TR; added, thanks
09:44 schestowitz-TR; i am preparing to leave in a few hours
09:45 Techrights-sec; aka plagiarism
09:45 Techrights-sec; ok
09:46 schestowitz-TR; covid will rsise shrply (see link above)
09:46 schestowitz-TR; see still a window of chance to see some people, pruidently
09:46 schestowitz-TR; I\m still finishing some end-of-month tasks
09:46 schestowitz-TR; so multitasking, which is very hard
09:59 Techrights-sec; With the link above it seems not possible to link directly to the Summary report: Ares(2022)2620305 nor to the comments; They are both blocked by gratuitous
09:59 Techrights-sec;
09:59 Techrights-sec; javascript;
09:59 Techrights-sec; Best to focus on one thing at a time, and postpone or tune out distractions.
09:59 Techrights-sec; The cognitive overhead for task switching is really very high.
10:00 schestowitz-TR; usually i do this right after midnight, but I was too tired last night
10:00 schestowitz-TR; anyway, almost done now
10:00 schestowitz-TR; and yes, task switching is a task in its own right
10:30 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,>> I am on holiday for the first time in three years so am not going to> enter a long conversation with you. However, let me put your mind at ease.
10:30 schestowitz; Thanks for responding. I will try to keep it short.
10:30 schestowitz; > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Roy Schestowitz <r@schestowitz.com
10:30 schestowitz; > <mailto:r@schestowitz.com>> wrote:
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > I was right.
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > So have you guys of no sense of shame?
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > The OSI seems to be running for no good purpose anyway.
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > You actively help Microsoft attack Free software and you profit from it.
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
10:30 schestowitz; > <http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/>
10:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > You're still reading it wrong. I found there was a cash surplus in the
10:30 schestowitz; > seperately-accounted ClearlyDefined "bucket", which is currently an
10:30 schestowitz; > outside-run project but under OSI's fiduciary umbrella (so all we do is
10:30 schestowitz; > collect a 10%fee and let them run things themselves, like Conservancy
10:30 schestowitz; > do)
10:30 schestowitz; The Conservancy is no role model (in recent years I've had many criticisms of them, too) and that 10% fee you're mention simply means you rely on appeasing Microsoft or else lose some income. It's the same issue in the LF. You become incapable of criticising the opposition (yes, Microsoft is STILL attacking us in MANY ways) without fiscal consequences.
10:30 schestowitz; > , and I've proposed using those funds to hire a staff member for OSI
10:30 schestowitz; > for two years under OSI management (not Microsoft), taking over
10:30 schestowitz; > management of ClearlyDefined (so Microsoft no longer staff its
10:30 schestowitz; > administration) and get a new person working on other, independent
10:30 schestowitz; > projects.
10:30 schestowitz; Microsoft is in the board and the new "staff member for OSI" is dependent on Microsoft money. This is not a healthy arrangement.
10:30 schestowitz; > So the ClearlyDefined action is actually Microsoft becoming less rather
10:30 schestowitz; > than more involved.
10:30 schestowitz; So you wish. You say this to yourself. But it's untrue. Also, you still take money from Microsoft through two buckets, GitHub AND Microsoft. GitHub is an ATTACK on Free software, it's imprisoning many projects. It's not encouraging people to violate licences. Microsoft pays the OSI (see link above) to make it sound benign or even desirable.
10:30 schestowitz; > And later you falsely report me to censor any criticism, even perfectly
10:30 schestowitz; > legitimate. Like get me suspended from Twitter under "COVID-19"
10:30 schestowitz; > pretenses.
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; >
10:30 schestowitz; > Huh? No such thing has happened. In fact I have you muted on Twitter so
10:31 schestowitz; > have seen nothing you have done there for several years.
10:31 schestowitz; When I said you I meant collectively, OSI. I wrote a lot about what happened.
10:31 schestowitz; I think you and I got into conflict when you signed that letter of defamation against RMS. You helped legitimise lies. I wonder if you read and fact-checked what you had signed.
10:31 schestowitz; Anyway, I quit all social control media 7 months ago (all sites) willfully because they're going down fast and causing mostly conflicts anyway (it also spreads defamation without hindrance, inc. re RMS). E-mail is a lot more healthy. My Twitter account is there, I just don't use it anymore.
10:31 schestowitz; > Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this.
10:31 schestowitz; >
10:31 schestowitz; >
10:31 schestowitz; > I don't run OSI any more. But you're reading it wrong, Roy.
10:31 schestowitz; You did not convince me that I'm reading it wrong. I'm all ears, I know what I'm seeing, I've investigated this for years. Even the co-founders of OSI haven't much good to say.
10:31 schestowitz; Sorry if I spoil your holidays a bit. When I sent you CC 10 months ago it was actually because I see you as the person who can salvage the OSI. I still hope things can improve. Feuds lead to no good, including conflicts with the FSF. You yourself made that joke about Life of Brian. Microsoft is the "Romans" in this context.
10:31 schestowitz; Regards,
10:39 schestowitz-TR; OSI is finished.
10:39 schestowitz-TR; Phipps is partly retired and is doing FLOSS weekly, an openwashing front for proprietary firms and bill & lolita gates founddation as of late
10:39 schestowitz-TR; not much that can be done to salvage them
10:39 schestowitz-TR; salvation was probably still possible when michael ran the OSI
10:39 schestowitz-TR; he too vanished
10:39 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure he's in ICBM
10:39 schestowitz-TR; I just didn't see his name, not even iin CNET and other sites he used to appear in
10:39 schestowitz-TR; Tiemann is just some "old fart" who once appearsed in Revolution OS and then spent some years in OSI
10:39 schestowitz-TR; OSI is now run by corporate ilk and saboteurs egging them on
10:40 schestowitz-TR; in the name of "justice" (read: corporate domination)
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11:41 Techrights-sec; Yes, it appears to have been converted into an openwashing front.
11:41 Techrights-sec; Phipps can't do it all himself, even if he had the will, which it appears
11:41 Techrights-sec; he doesn't, but he could have drawn in or recruited people of the right
11:41 Techrights-sec; background to preserve and advace OSI and its values rather than those
11:41 Techrights-sec; who have subverted them.
11:42 schestowitz-TR; I will leave in about 1 hour
11:42 schestowitz-TR; check mail
11:42 schestowitz-TR; I've just posted daily links, spoke a lot to parents etc.
11:42 schestowitz-TR; later I will catch up with rss feeds and sue the spare time for articles
11:42 schestowitz-TR; rianne is working today and tomorrow
11:42 schestowitz-TR; irc has been clam
11:42 schestowitz-TR; *calm
11:42 Techrights-sec; ack
11:42 Techrights-sec; Calm is ok, on-topic is better.
11:51 Techrights-sec; By the way, the NTP article is more important than it might look at first glance
11:52 schestowitz-TR; phk?
12:01 Techrights-sec; Yes, a quote or mention of him but the article is long and covers a lot
12:05 schestowitz-TR; it is in the latest -published daily links
12:05 schestowitz-TR; I'm waiting for the sun to come out, i might leave early
12:05 schestowitz-TR; but wandering aroudn shops in weekends can be risky
12:05 schestowitz-TR; poor ventilation
12:05 schestowitz-TR; trying to think if I need to buy any non-food items
12:05 schestowitz-TR; i plan to back up TR db tomorrow, but TM and TR still need another offsite backup
12:05 schestowitz-TR; gemini has been running nonstop since the system was restored
12:05 Techrights-sec; ack
12:05 Techrights-sec; yes
12:05 Techrights-sec; ack
12:05 Techrights-sec; excellent
12:05 Techrights-sec; What about usage?
12:06 schestowitz-TR; there's the stats section
12:06 schestowitz-TR; there might be growing pains in geminispace
12:06 schestowitz-TR; the media needs to be boosting it some more
12:06 schestowitz-TR; or maybe not, that might ruin it
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12:18 Techrights-sec; checking
12:18 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linu<techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linux" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machinesx" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machines
12:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines
12:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines
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12:26 Techrights-sec; :10
12:26 Techrights-sec; gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/
12:31 schestowitz-TR; the headline from yle reeks of "hatchet job"
12:31 schestowitz-TR; selective quoting with a particular agenda in mind
12:31 schestowitz-TR; but then again most "news" sites are like this
12:31 schestowitz-TR; and one assumes younger people are too lazy to read thr whole thing
12:31 schestowitz-TR; in social control media only the headline would be extracted
12:31 schestowitz-TR; and the editor, not the writer, chooses the headline
12:31 schestowitz-TR; I go by the rule of
12:31 schestowitz-TR; 100% see headline
12:31 schestowitz-TR; 50% read it
12:31 schestowitz-TR; 20% read summary
12:31 schestowitz-TR; 10% read the fucking article (RTFM/A)
12:31 schestowitz-TR; and the earlier paragraphs always get read more than later ones
12:32 schestowitz-TR; most people who comment only read the headline and nothing more
12:32 schestowitz-TR; some people click "like" even if they just saw but did not read the headline
12:32 schestowitz-TR; because they play a game of "I like all yours" and "you like all mine back"
12:32 schestowitz-TR; so we both look popular (in some microcosm of a privaye firm)
12:32 schestowitz-TR; unless the site/.DB shut down
12:32 Techrights-sec; ack
12:32 Techrights-sec; The agitation against SSH seems to be that it allows commodity services.
12:32 Techrights-sec; Via SSH, access is not just secure and universal, but the interface is the
12:32 Techrights-sec; same regardless. With proprietary web interfaces, they are just that: proprietary
12:33 Techrights-sec; The propaganda against SSH is about further decommoditifcation of services
12:33 Techrights-sec; In this case, it is a tactic used against GNU/Linux and BSD hosting.
12:34 schestowitz-TR; gtg
12:34 schestowitz-TR; bbl
12:34 Techrights-sec; ack
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16:10 schestowitz-TR; back
16:12 Techrights-sec; https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/01/1060539/eu-tech-policy-harmful-ai-liability/
16:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The EU wants to put companies on the hook for harmful AI | MIT Technology Review
16:17 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the link, I have 3 topics now as potential topics
16:17 schestowitz-TR; I was thinking of OSI and GPL violations on the way home
16:17 schestowitz-TR; it just made me a little angry
16:17 schestowitz-TR; and could not think of anything new or witty to say
16:17 schestowitz-TR; i suppose tofr morale we could say, that's just the result of it being so ubiquitious
16:17 schestowitz-TR; it becomes a prime target for attacks
16:17 schestowitz-TR; but not everyone sold out
16:17 schestowitz-TR; as a sdie note, the decision to never stress myself too much with exercise was likelu a good
16:17 schestowitz-TR; one as some people I know destroyed their body by doing it too much and too hard
16:17 schestowitz-TR; I will do more walking and watch the weight, that ought to be enough
16:17 schestowitz-TR; back in a bit, catching up
16:17 schestowitz-TR; (also hard to find discounted food, I was almost empty handed after 10 stores)
16:17 Techrights-sec; See also the EU link and the zip file there too. Most of the comments in the
16:17 Techrights-sec; zip file are crap but there are some good ones in there too.
16:19 schestowitz-TR; I tried to kill 3 birds with one stone: eet freidn, get reference for rianne's form from a prof.
16:19 schestowitz-TR; and then get something on the way back home
16:19 schestowitz-TR; all were fulfilled to some extend, but the time spent on the last task was "low yield"
16:19 schestowitz-TR; it was not time for optimal yield, just what suited $friend
16:19 Techrights-sec; ok
16:19 Techrights-sec; ack
16:20 schestowitz-TR; i will ignore chat for a bit to catch up
16:20 schestowitz-TR; rianne finished work soon, then will post links
16:20 schestowitz-TR; *finishes
16:20 Techrights-sec; ack
16:42 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Mr. Puppy Linux: "I have had an account with Amazon for a very long time, but cancelled it yesterday." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/have-cancelled-amazon-account.html
16:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bkhome.org | Have cancelled Amazon account
16:48 Techrights-sec; ack
16:50 schestowitz-TR; even my rss feeds are becoming a higher % of "sea of shit"
16:50 schestowitz-TR; low s/n ratio even in sites that used to be ok :/
16:50 schestowitz-TR; I need to dumpster-dive into the haystack and tolerate some needles in the stack
16:50 schestowitz-TR; some are narcotics
16:50 schestowitz-TR; one method I found useful: let it add up for a bit, e.g. 100 items, then run a set of filter to weed out the shit
16:50 schestowitz-TR; wheat and chaff...
16:51 schestowitz-TR; but even then out of 100 you might be left with 10 "good" stories and maybe of them are mutually related
16:51 schestowitz-TR; gulag noise was really bad already when I left it
16:51 schestowitz-TR; I don't suppose I miss much there
16:51 Techrights-sec; ack
16:51 Techrights-sec; Google "News" is still garbage
16:51 Techrights-sec; I check a few searches still, but not often. And it is even more seldom that
16:51 Techrights-sec; there is anything relevant, and rarer still for it to be worth citing.
16:52 schestowitz-TR; leaving gulag in 2022 is easy like leaving twitter in 2022
16:52 schestowitz-TR; because they no longer optiomise to give me what I ask for
16:52 schestowitz-TR; but what those companies want to push to me
16:52 Techrights-sec; No idea but the end result either way is that they have only garbage.
16:56 schestowitz-TR; this, i predict, will mean a growing future need for good curation
16:56 schestowitz-TR; there's a massive vacuum
16:56 schestowitz-TR; sadly this vacuum also means lesened incentive to actually run news sites
16:56 schestowitz-TR; they're invisibles
16:56 schestowitz-TR; like a company without a business model
16:56 schestowitz-TR; and time runs out
16:56 schestowitz-TR; alexa.com
16:56 schestowitz-TR; did lots of "work"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; got many "users"
16:56 schestowitz-TR; no business model
16:56 schestowitz-TR; shut dow in May IIRC
17:01 Techrights-sec; Yes, too few have a means to find / track / discover real news. I suspect
17:01 Techrights-sec; that many are instead allowing themselves to be mislead by social control media.
17:01 Techrights-sec; about what to read and when.
17:01 Techrights-sec; TM used to have some original content though.
17:01 schestowitz-TR; sites that invest in maintaining presence in such "sites" are time-wasting
17:01 schestowitz-TR; for a whole slew of reasons
17:01 schestowitz-TR; TR never wasted time on this, tuxmachines is on auto-pilot pretty much
17:01 schestowitz-TR; me? I quit all of it and at the time though I might return one day (I no longer think so)
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17:21 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Linux-hostile companies that fund ZDNet are behind this; they don't care about security, they just use that as a leash on communities https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-what-in-the-united-states-securing-open-source-software-act/ http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/
17:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What the Securing Open Source Software Act does and what it misses | ZDNET
17:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Attempts to Legislate Against Free Software in Order to Elbow Such Software Aside | Techrights
17:21 schestowitz-TR; sjvn
17:22 schestowitz-TR; he borrws the name and face, I guess, even to defamation campaigns like the rms one
17:22 Techrights-sec; sjvn is coin-operated since a few years back, so what he says is less important
17:22 Techrights-sec; than who is getting him to say what he says
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18:08 Techrights-sec; The list of recent posts in TM now has a distinct CSS class for the updated
18:08 Techrights-sec; posts. The CSS has not yet been modified to make it visible to visitors.
18:09 schestowitz-TR; ah, ok, that explains why hard-refresh shows no difference
18:10 Techrights-sec; Something unobtrusive is needed as a marker.
18:11 schestowitz-TR; in my notes I have my old discussion about splitting it up further using some heuristics, like pseudo categories
18:11 schestowitz-TR; maybe vertically or with vertical bars
18:13 Techrights-sec; Categories would be one way to do that , but it must be by proper categories
18:13 Techrights-sec; and not trying to guess based on strings in the titles. That is a little
18:13 Techrights-sec; more error prone, though, the way posts are currently entered. Pull down
18:13 Techrights-sec; menus work best for that but those are not really feasible without major
18:13 Techrights-sec; headache and rewriting using ncurses or something else awful.
18:16 schestowitz-TR; based on our experiences with drupal, it is an extra burden with little practical benefit
18:16 schestowitz-TR; guesswork might not be doable either
18:16 schestowitz-TR; so in my notes it's one of several ideas
18:16 schestowitz-TR; we still don't have proper archives pages in gemini and https
18:16 schestowitz-TR; (rioanne just broke a plate ;/)
18:16 Techrights-sec; Ok, then maybe it should be ignored.
18:16 Techrights-sec; What kind of archives for TM are needed in Gemini and HTTPS?
18:17 schestowitz-TR; something for each data/week/months
18:17 schestowitz-TR; at the very least for searchg engines to index easily
18:19 schestowitz-TR; not intentional, good platye, but the noise distracted me, she loved that plate
18:19 Techrights-sec; Oh.
18:19 Techrights-sec; As it stands, the search engines should be able to follow the navigation
18:19 Techrights-sec; links forwards and backwards.
18:19 Techrights-sec; (throughout the entire tm-new site)
18:20 schestowitz-TR; i keep telling her, it's not expensive
18:20 schestowitz-TR; first question, "is this just a plate?"
18:20 schestowitz-TR; "don't worry, it's used and onl;y worth like a pound anyway"
18:20 schestowitz-TR; (it was not a gift, either)
18:21 Techrights-sec; ack
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21:59 Techrights-sec; Testing CSS, not in Git yet
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