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07:17 schestowitz-TR; [topic] Fedora suffers from software patents, removes features, while IBM lobbies for such patents and gives software patents to patent trolls (in sales)

07:56 Techrights-sec; ack


8 AM, October 1

08:28 Techrights-sec; EFF's site seems not to be in chronological order; WTF?

08:28 schestowitz-TR; moz the same

08:28 schestowitz-TR; it is the new fashion

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08:35 schestowitz-TR; like twitter

08:35 schestowitz-TR; optmised for "engagement"

08:35 schestowitz-TR; not usability


9 AM, October 1

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09:09 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Strike 1 for hackaday... after doing a Microsoft puff piece, in effect abetting criminals https://hackaday.com/2022/09/30/microsoft-wants-you-to-help-with-assistive-tech/ | Source: Hackaday

↺ https://hackaday.com/2022/09/30/microsoft-wants-you-to-help-with-assistive-tech/

09:09 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Microsoft Wants You (To Help With Assistive Tech) | Hackaday

09:12 Techrights-sec; Hackaday is a mixed bag but all publishers are in the crosshairs at M$

09:12 Techrights-sec; Change of editors there is important to take note of

09:12 Techrights-sec; ^topic

09:13 schestowitz-TR; when they change editor some months ago the quality sank and linux is mentioned less

09:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe after a strike 2 it's worth covering

09:13 schestowitz-TR; maybe the tip came from a Microsoft rep pitching it to them

09:14 schestowitz-TR; like "Elizabeth" in Solyent News, who jokes about Microsoft opionions not counting... because "hate".. and "sexism"

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09:31 Techrights-sec; ack

09:32 schestowitz-TR; not worth even spending energy on trolls, in some sense..

09:32 schestowitz-TR; but to identity them and help others identify them too

09:36 schestowitz-TR; ddi you see my items above

09:36 schestowitz-TR; re a) torvalds

09:36 schestowitz-TR; b) cisa

09:36 schestowitz-TR; c) covid

09:36 schestowitz-TR; I am going to meet a friend soon, will wear 2 masks

09:37 Techrights-sec; Yes, I though I commented on CISA

09:40 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:02

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:02

09:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022

09:40 Techrights-sec; http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:29

http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-300922.html#tSep%2030%2022:51:29

09:40 Techrights-sec; aka plagiarism

09:40 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 30, 2022

09:42 schestowitz-TR; yes, i try now to do anything perceived to be time-wasting

09:42 schestowitz-TR; but we'll see if the two [topics] in my kate file will last the weekend

09:42 schestowitz-TR; it's the security links (3) and fedora swpats thing so far

09:43 Techrights-sec; regarding machine learning:

09:43 Techrights-sec; https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en

↺ https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/12979-Civil-liability-adapting-liability-rules-to-the-digital-age-and-artificial-intelligence/public-consultation_en

09:43 Techrights-sec; ^ topic

09:43 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ec.europa.eu | Have your say

09:44 Techrights-sec; (either machine learning in general or machine learning and copyright violation

09:44 Techrights-sec; GPL evasion)

09:44 schestowitz-TR; added, thanks

09:44 schestowitz-TR; i am preparing to leave in a few hours

09:45 Techrights-sec; aka plagiarism

09:45 Techrights-sec; ok

09:46 schestowitz-TR; covid will rsise shrply (see link above)

09:46 schestowitz-TR; see still a window of chance to see some people, pruidently

09:46 schestowitz-TR; I\m still finishing some end-of-month tasks

09:46 schestowitz-TR; so multitasking, which is very hard

09:59 Techrights-sec; With the link above it seems not possible to link directly to the Summary report: Ares(2022)2620305 nor to the comments; They are both blocked by gratuitous

09:59 Techrights-sec;

09:59 Techrights-sec; javascript;

09:59 Techrights-sec; Best to focus on one thing at a time, and postpone or tune out distractions.

09:59 Techrights-sec; The cognitive overhead for task switching is really very high.


10 AM, October 1

10:00 schestowitz-TR; usually i do this right after midnight, but I was too tired last night

10:00 schestowitz-TR; anyway, almost done now

10:00 schestowitz-TR; and yes, task switching is a task in its own right

10:30 schestowitz; > Hi Roy,>> I am on holiday for the first time in three years so am not going to> enter a long conversation with you. However, let me put your mind at ease.

10:30 schestowitz; Thanks for responding. I will try to keep it short.

10:30 schestowitz; > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:17 AM Roy Schestowitz <r@schestowitz.com

10:30 schestowitz; > <mailto:r@schestowitz.com>> wrote:

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > I was right.

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > So have you guys of no sense of shame?

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > The OSI seems to be running for no good purpose anyway.

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > You actively help Microsoft attack Free software and you profit from it.

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/

http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/

10:30 schestowitz; > <http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/>

http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/>

10:30 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Open Source Initiative Controlled (Infiltrated) by Microsoft GitHub: Microsoft Bribes OSI to Justify GPL Violations Under the Guise of AI, Even Writes the OSIs Material | Techrights

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > You're still reading it wrong. I found there was a cash surplus in the

10:30 schestowitz; > seperately-accounted ClearlyDefined "bucket", which is currently an

10:30 schestowitz; > outside-run project but under OSI's fiduciary umbrella (so all we do is

10:30 schestowitz; > collect a 10%fee and let them run things themselves, like Conservancy

10:30 schestowitz; > do)

10:30 schestowitz; The Conservancy is no role model (in recent years I've had many criticisms of them, too) and that 10% fee you're mention simply means you rely on appeasing Microsoft or else lose some income. It's the same issue in the LF. You become incapable of criticising the opposition (yes, Microsoft is STILL attacking us in MANY ways) without fiscal consequences.

10:30 schestowitz; > , and I've proposed using those funds to hire a staff member for OSI

10:30 schestowitz; > for two years under OSI management (not Microsoft), taking over

10:30 schestowitz; > management of ClearlyDefined (so Microsoft no longer staff its

10:30 schestowitz; > administration) and get a new person working on other, independent

10:30 schestowitz; > projects.

10:30 schestowitz; Microsoft is in the board and the new "staff member for OSI" is dependent on Microsoft money. This is not a healthy arrangement.

10:30 schestowitz; > So the ClearlyDefined action is actually Microsoft becoming less rather

10:30 schestowitz; > than more involved.

10:30 schestowitz; So you wish. You say this to yourself. But it's untrue. Also, you still take money from Microsoft through two buckets, GitHub AND Microsoft. GitHub is an ATTACK on Free software, it's imprisoning many projects. It's not encouraging people to violate licences. Microsoft pays the OSI (see link above) to make it sound benign or even desirable.

10:30 schestowitz; > And later you falsely report me to censor any criticism, even perfectly

10:30 schestowitz; > legitimate. Like get me suspended from Twitter under "COVID-19"

10:30 schestowitz; > pretenses.

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; >

10:30 schestowitz; > Huh? No such thing has happened. In fact I have you muted on Twitter so

10:31 schestowitz; > have seen nothing you have done there for several years.

10:31 schestowitz; When I said you I meant collectively, OSI. I wrote a lot about what happened.

10:31 schestowitz; I think you and I got into conflict when you signed that letter of defamation against RMS. You helped legitimise lies. I wonder if you read and fact-checked what you had signed.

10:31 schestowitz; Anyway, I quit all social control media 7 months ago (all sites) willfully because they're going down fast and causing mostly conflicts anyway (it also spreads defamation without hindrance, inc. re RMS). E-mail is a lot more healthy. My Twitter account is there, I just don't use it anymore.

10:31 schestowitz; > Shame on you, Simon. You could have prevented this.

10:31 schestowitz; >

10:31 schestowitz; >

10:31 schestowitz; > I don't run OSI any more. But you're reading it wrong, Roy.

10:31 schestowitz; You did not convince me that I'm reading it wrong. I'm all ears, I know what I'm seeing, I've investigated this for years. Even the co-founders of OSI haven't much good to say.

10:31 schestowitz; Sorry if I spoil your holidays a bit. When I sent you CC 10 months ago it was actually because I see you as the person who can salvage the OSI. I still hope things can improve. Feuds lead to no good, including conflicts with the FSF. You yourself made that joke about Life of Brian. Microsoft is the "Romans" in this context.

10:31 schestowitz; Regards,

10:39 schestowitz-TR; OSI is finished.

10:39 schestowitz-TR; Phipps is partly retired and is doing FLOSS weekly, an openwashing front for proprietary firms and bill & lolita gates founddation as of late

10:39 schestowitz-TR; not much that can be done to salvage them

10:39 schestowitz-TR; salvation was probably still possible when michael ran the OSI

10:39 schestowitz-TR; he too vanished

10:39 schestowitz-TR; I'm not sure he's in ICBM

10:39 schestowitz-TR; I just didn't see his name, not even iin CNET and other sites he used to appear in

10:39 schestowitz-TR; Tiemann is just some "old fart" who once appearsed in Revolution OS and then spent some years in OSI

10:39 schestowitz-TR; OSI is now run by corporate ilk and saboteurs egging them on

10:40 schestowitz-TR; in the name of "justice" (read: corporate domination)


11 AM, October 1

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11:41 Techrights-sec; Yes, it appears to have been converted into an openwashing front.

11:41 Techrights-sec; Phipps can't do it all himself, even if he had the will, which it appears

11:41 Techrights-sec; he doesn't, but he could have drawn in or recruited people of the right

11:41 Techrights-sec; background to preserve and advace OSI and its values rather than those

11:41 Techrights-sec; who have subverted them.

11:42 schestowitz-TR; I will leave in about 1 hour

11:42 schestowitz-TR; check mail

11:42 schestowitz-TR; I've just posted daily links, spoke a lot to parents etc.

11:42 schestowitz-TR; later I will catch up with rss feeds and sue the spare time for articles

11:42 schestowitz-TR; rianne is working today and tomorrow

11:42 schestowitz-TR; irc has been clam

11:42 schestowitz-TR; *calm

11:42 Techrights-sec; ack

11:42 Techrights-sec; Calm is ok, on-topic is better.

11:51 Techrights-sec; By the way, the NTP article is more important than it might look at first glance

11:52 schestowitz-TR; phk?


noon, October 1

12:01 Techrights-sec; Yes, a quote or mention of him but the article is long and covers a lot

12:05 schestowitz-TR; it is in the latest -published daily links

12:05 schestowitz-TR; I'm waiting for the sun to come out, i might leave early

12:05 schestowitz-TR; but wandering aroudn shops in weekends can be risky

12:05 schestowitz-TR; poor ventilation

12:05 schestowitz-TR; trying to think if I need to buy any non-food items

12:05 schestowitz-TR; i plan to back up TR db tomorrow, but TM and TR still need another offsite backup

12:05 schestowitz-TR; gemini has been running nonstop since the system was restored

12:05 Techrights-sec; ack

12:05 Techrights-sec; yes

12:05 Techrights-sec; ack

12:05 Techrights-sec; excellent

12:05 Techrights-sec; What about usage?

12:06 schestowitz-TR; there's the stats section

12:06 schestowitz-TR; there might be growing pains in geminispace

12:06 schestowitz-TR; the media needs to be boosting it some more

12:06 schestowitz-TR; or maybe not, that might ruin it

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12:18 Techrights-sec; checking

12:18 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linu<techrights-news> "SSH" and "Linux" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machinesx" FUD; bad passwords https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machines

↺ https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machinesx"

↺ https://www.fudzilla.com/news/55575-chaos-hits-linux-and-windows-machines

12:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines

12:18 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.fudzilla.com | Chaos hits Linux and Windows machines

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12:26 Techrights-sec; :10

12:26 Techrights-sec; gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/30/infiltration-of-osi/

12:31 schestowitz-TR; the headline from yle reeks of "hatchet job"

12:31 schestowitz-TR; selective quoting with a particular agenda in mind

12:31 schestowitz-TR; but then again most "news" sites are like this

12:31 schestowitz-TR; and one assumes younger people are too lazy to read thr whole thing

12:31 schestowitz-TR; in social control media only the headline would be extracted

12:31 schestowitz-TR; and the editor, not the writer, chooses the headline

12:31 schestowitz-TR; I go by the rule of

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 100% see headline

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 50% read it

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 20% read summary

12:31 schestowitz-TR; 10% read the fucking article (RTFM/A)

12:31 schestowitz-TR; and the earlier paragraphs always get read more than later ones

12:32 schestowitz-TR; most people who comment only read the headline and nothing more

12:32 schestowitz-TR; some people click "like" even if they just saw but did not read the headline

12:32 schestowitz-TR; because they play a game of "I like all yours" and "you like all mine back"

12:32 schestowitz-TR; so we both look popular (in some microcosm of a privaye firm)

12:32 schestowitz-TR; unless the site/.DB shut down

12:32 Techrights-sec; ack

12:32 Techrights-sec; The agitation against SSH seems to be that it allows commodity services.

12:32 Techrights-sec; Via SSH, access is not just secure and universal, but the interface is the

12:32 Techrights-sec; same regardless. With proprietary web interfaces, they are just that: proprietary

12:33 Techrights-sec; The propaganda against SSH is about further decommoditifcation of services

12:33 Techrights-sec; In this case, it is a tactic used against GNU/Linux and BSD hosting.

12:34 schestowitz-TR; gtg

12:34 schestowitz-TR; bbl

12:34 Techrights-sec; ack

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4 PM, October 1

16:10 schestowitz-TR; back

16:12 Techrights-sec; https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/01/1060539/eu-tech-policy-harmful-ai-liability/

↺ https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/10/01/1060539/eu-tech-policy-harmful-ai-liability/

16:12 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.technologyreview.com | The EU wants to put companies on the hook for harmful AI | MIT Technology Review

16:17 schestowitz-TR; thanks for the link, I have 3 topics now as potential topics

16:17 schestowitz-TR; I was thinking of OSI and GPL violations on the way home

16:17 schestowitz-TR; it just made me a little angry

16:17 schestowitz-TR; and could not think of anything new or witty to say

16:17 schestowitz-TR; i suppose tofr morale we could say, that's just the result of it being so ubiquitious

16:17 schestowitz-TR; it becomes a prime target for attacks

16:17 schestowitz-TR; but not everyone sold out

16:17 schestowitz-TR; as a sdie note, the decision to never stress myself too much with exercise was likelu a good

16:17 schestowitz-TR; one as some people I know destroyed their body by doing it too much and too hard

16:17 schestowitz-TR; I will do more walking and watch the weight, that ought to be enough

16:17 schestowitz-TR; back in a bit, catching up

16:17 schestowitz-TR; (also hard to find discounted food, I was almost empty handed after 10 stores)

16:17 Techrights-sec; See also the EU link and the zip file there too. Most of the comments in the

16:17 Techrights-sec; zip file are crap but there are some good ones in there too.

16:19 schestowitz-TR; I tried to kill 3 birds with one stone: eet freidn, get reference for rianne's form from a prof.

16:19 schestowitz-TR; and then get something on the way back home

16:19 schestowitz-TR; all were fulfilled to some extend, but the time spent on the last task was "low yield"

16:19 schestowitz-TR; it was not time for optimal yield, just what suited $friend

16:19 Techrights-sec; ok

16:19 Techrights-sec; ack

16:20 schestowitz-TR; i will ignore chat for a bit to catch up

16:20 schestowitz-TR; rianne finished work soon, then will post links

16:20 schestowitz-TR; *finishes

16:20 Techrights-sec; ack

16:42 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Mr. Puppy Linux: "I have had an account with Amazon for a very long time, but cancelled it yesterday." https://bkhome.org/news/202210/have-cancelled-amazon-account.html

↺ https://bkhome.org/news/202210/have-cancelled-amazon-account.html

16:42 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bkhome.org | Have cancelled Amazon account

16:48 Techrights-sec; ack

16:50 schestowitz-TR; even my rss feeds are becoming a higher % of "sea of shit"

16:50 schestowitz-TR; low s/n ratio even in sites that used to be ok :/

16:50 schestowitz-TR; I need to dumpster-dive into the haystack and tolerate some needles in the stack

16:50 schestowitz-TR; some are narcotics

16:50 schestowitz-TR; one method I found useful: let it add up for a bit, e.g. 100 items, then run a set of filter to weed out the shit

16:50 schestowitz-TR; wheat and chaff...

16:51 schestowitz-TR; but even then out of 100 you might be left with 10 "good" stories and maybe of them are mutually related

16:51 schestowitz-TR; gulag noise was really bad already when I left it

16:51 schestowitz-TR; I don't suppose I miss much there

16:51 Techrights-sec; ack

16:51 Techrights-sec; Google "News" is still garbage

16:51 Techrights-sec; I check a few searches still, but not often. And it is even more seldom that

16:51 Techrights-sec; there is anything relevant, and rarer still for it to be worth citing.

16:52 schestowitz-TR; leaving gulag in 2022 is easy like leaving twitter in 2022

16:52 schestowitz-TR; because they no longer optiomise to give me what I ask for

16:52 schestowitz-TR; but what those companies want to push to me

16:52 Techrights-sec; No idea but the end result either way is that they have only garbage.

16:56 schestowitz-TR; this, i predict, will mean a growing future need for good curation

16:56 schestowitz-TR; there's a massive vacuum

16:56 schestowitz-TR; sadly this vacuum also means lesened incentive to actually run news sites

16:56 schestowitz-TR; they're invisibles

16:56 schestowitz-TR; like a company without a business model

16:56 schestowitz-TR; and time runs out

16:56 schestowitz-TR; alexa.com

16:56 schestowitz-TR; did lots of "work"

16:56 schestowitz-TR; got many "users"

16:56 schestowitz-TR; no business model

16:56 schestowitz-TR; shut dow in May IIRC


5 PM, October 1

17:01 Techrights-sec; Yes, too few have a means to find / track / discover real news. I suspect

17:01 Techrights-sec; that many are instead allowing themselves to be mislead by social control media.

17:01 Techrights-sec; about what to read and when.

17:01 Techrights-sec; TM used to have some original content though.

17:01 schestowitz-TR; sites that invest in maintaining presence in such "sites" are time-wasting

17:01 schestowitz-TR; for a whole slew of reasons

17:01 schestowitz-TR; TR never wasted time on this, tuxmachines is on auto-pilot pretty much

17:01 schestowitz-TR; me? I quit all of it and at the time though I might return one day (I no longer think so)

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17:21 schestowitz-TR; <techrights-news> Linux-hostile companies that fund ZDNet are behind this; they don't care about security, they just use that as a leash on communities https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-what-in-the-united-states-securing-open-source-software-act/ http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/

↺ https://www.zdnet.com/article/whats-what-in-the-united-states-securing-open-source-software-act/

http://techrights.org/2022/09/28/discriminating-against-free-software/

17:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-What the Securing Open Source Software Act does and what it misses | ZDNET

17:21 -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Attempts to Legislate Against Free Software in Order to Elbow Such Software Aside | Techrights

17:21 schestowitz-TR; sjvn

17:22 schestowitz-TR; he borrws the name and face, I guess, even to defamation campaigns like the rms one

17:22 Techrights-sec; sjvn is coin-operated since a few years back, so what he says is less important

17:22 Techrights-sec; than who is getting him to say what he says

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6 PM, October 1

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18:08 Techrights-sec; The list of recent posts in TM now has a distinct CSS class for the updated

18:08 Techrights-sec; posts. The CSS has not yet been modified to make it visible to visitors.

18:09 schestowitz-TR; ah, ok, that explains why hard-refresh shows no difference

18:10 Techrights-sec; Something unobtrusive is needed as a marker.

18:11 schestowitz-TR; in my notes I have my old discussion about splitting it up further using some heuristics, like pseudo categories

18:11 schestowitz-TR; maybe vertically or with vertical bars

18:13 Techrights-sec; Categories would be one way to do that , but it must be by proper categories

18:13 Techrights-sec; and not trying to guess based on strings in the titles. That is a little

18:13 Techrights-sec; more error prone, though, the way posts are currently entered. Pull down

18:13 Techrights-sec; menus work best for that but those are not really feasible without major

18:13 Techrights-sec; headache and rewriting using ncurses or something else awful.

18:16 schestowitz-TR; based on our experiences with drupal, it is an extra burden with little practical benefit

18:16 schestowitz-TR; guesswork might not be doable either

18:16 schestowitz-TR; so in my notes it's one of several ideas

18:16 schestowitz-TR; we still don't have proper archives pages in gemini and https

18:16 schestowitz-TR; (rioanne just broke a plate ;/)

18:16 Techrights-sec; Ok, then maybe it should be ignored.

18:16 Techrights-sec; What kind of archives for TM are needed in Gemini and HTTPS?

18:17 schestowitz-TR; something for each data/week/months

18:17 schestowitz-TR; at the very least for searchg engines to index easily

18:19 schestowitz-TR; not intentional, good platye, but the noise distracted me, she loved that plate

18:19 Techrights-sec; Oh.

18:19 Techrights-sec; As it stands, the search engines should be able to follow the navigation

18:19 Techrights-sec; links forwards and backwards.

18:19 Techrights-sec; (throughout the entire tm-new site)

18:20 schestowitz-TR; i keep telling her, it's not expensive

18:20 schestowitz-TR; first question, "is this just a plate?"

18:20 schestowitz-TR; "don't worry, it's used and onl;y worth like a pound anyway"

18:20 schestowitz-TR; (it was not a gift, either)

18:21 Techrights-sec; ack


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