[2022-01-28T01:15:54Z] <phoebos> midfavila-laptop: i think of Mid Favila
[2022-01-28T01:21:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> https://handheld.computer/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/P37B-and-General-Dynamics-MR-1.jpg
[2022-01-28T01:21:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> I would really rather the handheld on the right in this photo, to be honest
[2022-01-28T01:21:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> Looking to replace my CF-C2 since it's starting to degrade
[2022-01-28T01:22:48Z] <phoebos> is that as small as it looks
[2022-01-28T01:23:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> yes
[2022-01-28T01:23:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's about 4" at its widest
[2022-01-28T01:23:32Z] <phoebos> what do you do with that
[2022-01-28T01:23:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> what I do with my laptop rn
[2022-01-28T01:23:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> which is shitpost on the go, ssh into SDF or other machines, and listen to music
[2022-01-28T01:23:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> sometimes light programming
[2022-01-28T01:24:22Z] <phoebos> why do you want something so small
[2022-01-28T01:24:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> because I want to replace my laptop and phone with a UMPC
[2022-01-28T01:24:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> https://mildef.com/product/mildef-db7/
[2022-01-28T01:24:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> even something like this would work tbqh although it's not ideal
[2022-01-28T01:25:26Z] <phoebos> huh, ok
[2022-01-28T01:25:36Z] <phoebos> do you never telephone people
[2022-01-28T01:25:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> no
[2022-01-28T01:26:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm going to cancel my line once I'm through with college
[2022-01-28T01:26:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> all I used my SIM for is a datalink
[2022-01-28T01:29:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> https://www.ebay.ca/itm/223942294389
[2022-01-28T01:29:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> one of these would be really nifty too, but it runs WinCE so
[2022-01-28T01:55:13Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: uhhh a sledgehammer
[2022-01-28T01:55:23Z] <acheam> gotta test those durability ratings
[2022-01-28T02:12:50Z] <maximum_yellow> kiss has no notion of equivalent providers, right? If A and B both provide dependencies for C, we can't express this right?
[2022-01-28T02:13:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> correct
[2022-01-28T02:13:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> there's no "provides" statement
[2022-01-28T02:13:19Z] <maximum_yellow> well, in a sense it's implicit in each line of depends
[2022-01-28T02:13:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> i and others have brought it up in the past and it's kinda been shut down with "well alternatives already exist"
[2022-01-28T02:13:37Z] <maximum_yellow> this is a little irritating
[2022-01-28T02:14:10Z] * maximum_yellow is very concerned with not artificially inflating the package count
[2022-01-28T02:22:35Z] <noocsharp> how does it artificially inflate package count?
[2022-01-28T04:11:58Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-01-28T05:25:56Z] <noocsharp> hi
[2022-01-28T10:44:32Z] <testuser[m]> https://termbin.com/ujxo
[2022-01-28T13:11:08Z] <omanom> i mean, wasn't the idea behind the "kiss community package repo" that things people found to be common could/should be packaged there?
[2022-01-28T13:12:27Z] <omanom> if you don't like/want the provider that the package in kiss community uses, you just fork the package yourself and establish priority using KISS_PATH?
[2022-01-28T14:06:11Z] <dilyn> maximum_yellow's concern is probably related to discussions re: libuuid && util-linux
[2022-01-28T14:06:25Z] <dilyn> there's no *good reason* to have util-linux if you just want jfs, for instance
[2022-01-28T14:06:41Z] <dilyn> nothing in the main repo requires util-linux either; it's all community stuff. We only had it for eudev iirc...
[2022-01-28T14:07:06Z] <testuser[m]> but vro btrfs-progs
[2022-01-28T14:07:26Z] <dilyn> sure, we'd adopt it
[2022-01-28T14:07:38Z] <dilyn> does btrfs-progs require more than just lib{uuid,blkid}??
[2022-01-28T14:07:43Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2022-01-28T14:07:47Z] <dilyn> :v
[2022-01-28T14:07:49Z] <testuser[m]> it already is in community
[2022-01-28T14:08:49Z] <omanom> oh ok, i misunderstood then.  thanks for the clarification!
[2022-01-28T14:09:31Z] <dilyn> I mean we only had it in the main repo for eudev when that was a thing, the community packages just leveraged its existence for libuuid
[2022-01-28T14:10:08Z] <dilyn> I'm uncertain if there's good reason to have util-linux in the main repo tbh. You'll already have your disks partitioned when installing KISS, so you don't need its fdisk until later...
[2022-01-28T14:10:47Z] <dilyn> we should do something cute like what every other distro does lol https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/main/util-linux/APKBUILD
[2022-01-28T14:12:14Z] <omanom> midfavila-laptop https://i.imgur.com/rx17lpr.jpeg make your own handheld with an rpi or something
[2022-01-28T14:12:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> wouldn't be able to fit what I want into such a device
[2022-01-28T14:15:46Z] <omanom> what is too big?  or is it more a power issue
[2022-01-28T14:16:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> the latter, but moreso a lack of connectors
[2022-01-28T14:16:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> you can't have both a not-shit screen and a cellular modem, for example, unless you want to fuck around with USB, which I don't
[2022-01-28T14:18:10Z] <omanom> or get real fancy with your soldering and the GPIO pins!
[2022-01-28T14:18:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> I could do that, but then I'd end up with a bunch of wasted time, money and energy to get an inferior version of something that already exists
[2022-01-28T14:20:03Z] <omanom> and, knowing your history of accidents with pointy objects, probably a bunch of soldering iron burns
[2022-01-28T14:20:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> that was once >:c
[2022-01-28T14:20:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> i swear, you cut your hand open with a 20th century bayonet *once* and then everyone thinks of you as the guy who can't be trusted with sharp objects
[2022-01-28T14:20:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2022-01-28T14:20:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> my
[2022-01-28T14:20:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> damn
[2022-01-28T14:20:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> head
[2022-01-28T14:21:02Z] <testuser[m]> midfavila-laptop: hi
[2022-01-28T14:21:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> hi
[2022-01-28T14:23:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> ugh, all the cool UMPCs or tablet PCs that I've seen don't really have an aftermarket presence... maybe I'll just say fuck it and get a general dynamics laptop or something
[2022-01-28T18:02:20Z] <testuser[m]> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/01/uk-paid-724000-creepy-campaign-convince-people-encryption-bad-it-wont-work
[2022-01-28T20:30:42Z] <maximum_yellow> dilyn: i haven't investigated this, but at least on the surface grub/cryptsetup/lvm2 depend on util-linux
[2022-01-28T20:31:00Z] <maximum_yellow> but i'm going to test now with libuuid
[2022-01-28T20:31:34Z] <Rohan> guys anyone know a cheap way to setup home server?
[2022-01-28T20:31:42Z] <Rohan> since raps is sold out
[2022-01-28T20:31:52Z] <Rohan> Rasps*
[2022-01-28T21:05:48Z] <maximum_yellow> indeed lvm2 does not appear to depend on util-linux, but rather libuuid
[2022-01-28T21:06:05Z] <maximum_yellow> and i think pmount depends on libuuid and libblkid
[2022-01-28T21:40:17Z] <maximum_yellow> dilyn pmount depends only on libuuid make + libblkid
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