[2021-12-31T01:02:39Z] <Guest59> Yup user error on that one not sure what I did when I first set it. Booting with init=/bin/sh and reseting with passwrd fixed it. Thanks!
[2021-12-31T03:30:37Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-12-31T03:42:15Z] <dilyn> https://exercism.org/ is a wonderful site
[2021-12-31T03:42:21Z] <dilyn> here ends your public service announcement
[2021-12-31T03:50:10Z] <acheam> wow dylin turned ultra normie
[2021-12-31T03:50:20Z] <acheam> you haven't spent enough time around midfavila recently obviously
[2021-12-31T03:50:29Z] <acheam> jkjk
[2021-12-31T03:50:41Z] <acheam> but did you give up on K&R?
[2021-12-31T03:50:48Z] <acheam> s/dylin/dilyn/g
[2021-12-31T03:51:03Z] <acheam> cem: what does carbsbot do?
[2021-12-31T03:52:52Z] <dilyn> haven't given up on K&R, just switching to go atm
[2021-12-31T03:53:24Z] <dilyn> I'll probably finish K&R in time, though I might end up abandoning it for Beej's guide; I haven't decided on that yet
[2021-12-31T03:53:30Z] <dilyn> also I am mega normie
[2021-12-31T03:54:47Z] <noocsharp> 7.7mb dilyn
[2021-12-31T03:55:42Z] <testuser[m]> What
[2021-12-31T03:56:01Z] <noocsharp> the exercism homepage
[2021-12-31T03:57:55Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh
[2021-12-31T03:58:05Z] <acheam> as I said
[2021-12-31T03:58:07Z] <acheam> ultra normie
[2021-12-31T03:58:59Z] <acheam> but noocsharp, its actually fine, because its all served by cloudfront, which uses its cutting edge hypercloud drives to deliver max performance
[2021-12-31T04:00:19Z] <acheam> okay heres an A+ idea for any amazon engineers here: use alexa devices as a CDN
[2021-12-31T04:00:33Z] <acheam> you can buy that off me for 10% of Amazon stock
[2021-12-31T04:00:54Z] <noocsharp> use frequencies that humans can't hear and microphones on computers to deliver content from alexa speakers to computers
[2021-12-31T04:01:34Z] <acheam> oooh use the dog whistle frequency! Then you could sell an app that claims to calm down dogs,  but it actually just changes the frequency
[2021-12-31T04:09:29Z] <dilyn> luckily I don't have bandwidth caps and get 200mb/s down; i don't terribly care about website size:P
[2021-12-31T04:11:29Z] <acheam> "I'm rich so I dont care about the starving children"
[2021-12-31T04:12:06Z] <acheam> (Yes I know thats extreme, and I get your point, I didnt even realize the website was particularly big until noocsharp pointed it out)
[2021-12-31T04:20:18Z] <phoebos> tbf dilyn's not in a position to share «wealth» with «starving children», it's someone else's website
[2021-12-31T04:20:36Z] <phoebos> and his own is pretty lightweight
[2021-12-31T04:21:27Z] <phoebos> still, i find it difficult to understand _how_ most websites are so massive
[2021-12-31T04:23:35Z] <acheam> my comment was mostly facetious
[2021-12-31T04:23:48Z] <acheam> but yeah, like what do you even do with 8mb
[2021-12-31T04:24:09Z] <acheam> I'd probably struggle to fill that if you asked me (beyond stuff like massive image files)
[2021-12-31T04:25:43Z] <phoebos> i guess all the web devs have been collectively adding to one huge js library and css pack which everyone just includes
[2021-12-31T04:26:10Z] <testuser[m]> u don't even need to write code
[2021-12-31T04:26:19Z] <testuser[m]> Just `npm install problem_solution`
[2021-12-31T04:26:33Z] <testuser[m]> Even if it's 5 lines of code
[2021-12-31T04:26:38Z] <phoebos> anna karenina is less than 2mb. like wtf
[2021-12-31T04:27:42Z] <testuser[m]> See this
[2021-12-31T04:27:54Z] <testuser[m]> https://lusion.co/
[2021-12-31T04:28:08Z] <testuser[m]> It might even be larger
[2021-12-31T04:28:44Z] <testuser[m]> Don't try it on a webkit browser it would probably crash
[2021-12-31T04:28:56Z] <phoebos> fucking hell that site feels like i'm dying
[2021-12-31T04:29:42Z] <phoebos> make cool interactive experiences, sure, but not in a webpage
[2021-12-31T04:29:51Z] <testuser[m]> Wait wtf it even has sound
[2021-12-31T04:29:56Z] <testuser[m]> Didn't notice the first time
[2021-12-31T04:30:23Z] <testuser[m]> It's lagging so bad on phone
[2021-12-31T04:30:23Z] <acheam> > Please do consider upgrading your browser
[2021-12-31T04:30:25Z] <acheam> no.
[2021-12-31T04:30:39Z] <acheam> webwars is back folks
[2021-12-31T04:30:41Z] <noocsharp> i took a look at exercism to see what was so large, and i found this:
[2021-12-31T04:30:42Z] <noocsharp> https://d24y9kuxp2d7l2.cloudfront.net/packs/media/images/graphics/landing-page-exercise-8a95dc9aabafebaccf79d2bbed0213c8.svg
[2021-12-31T04:30:58Z] <noocsharp> this is an svg
[2021-12-31T04:31:20Z] <acheam> what? your website doesnt have svgs with base64 encoded jpegs in it?
[2021-12-31T04:31:43Z] <acheam> 3mb is a steal for that!
[2021-12-31T04:32:16Z] <phoebos> damn i need to finish the gif thingy i was making so i can put a favicon on my site
[2021-12-31T04:32:40Z] <phoebos> no, there is no other way to make a gif
[2021-12-31T04:32:45Z] <testuser[m]> phoebos: doing it in the browser is ok though i feel cuz no one is going to download random executables to see ur demo
[2021-12-31T04:33:14Z] <phoebos> at least don't put it on the homepage then
[2021-12-31T04:33:15Z] <acheam> phoebos: okay, to be the devils advocate, what do you reccomend as an alternative to things like https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/21/upshot/Mapping-the-Shadows-of-New-York-City.html
[2021-12-31T04:33:36Z] <acheam> or at least be like gmail and offer a simpler version of the site
[2021-12-31T04:34:23Z] <testuser[m]> Lol their paywall doesn't work with js disabled
[2021-12-31T04:34:24Z] <phoebos> that new york thing has a paywall
[2021-12-31T04:34:35Z] <phoebos> lmao
[2021-12-31T04:34:38Z] <testuser[m]> Epic webdev moment
[2021-12-31T04:37:08Z] <phoebos> *some* cool interactive experiences are ok in a browser, but not that 3d raytracing thing on a homepage
[2021-12-31T04:38:09Z] <acheam> weird it doesnt paywall me
[2021-12-31T04:38:56Z] <phoebos> maybe bcs my ip isn't in america? idk
[2021-12-31T04:40:29Z] <noocsharp> so i decoded that base64 jpeg inside the svg, and it comes out to 2.1MB
[2021-12-31T04:40:36Z] <noocsharp> but it's 1871x4096
[2021-12-31T04:41:09Z] <testuser[m]> Some sites even have some auto scroll shit so if you try to scroll urself with mouse it jumps all over the place
[2021-12-31T04:41:17Z] <phoebos> is that like a 4K screen lmao
[2021-12-31T04:41:27Z] <noocsharp> yeah, except vertical
[2021-12-31T04:41:33Z] <noocsharp> and they only show like 1/3 of the image
[2021-12-31T04:41:42Z] <noocsharp> i'm filing an issue for them
[2021-12-31T04:41:52Z] <phoebos> haha
[2021-12-31T04:44:46Z] <acheam> >  We are not accepting pull requests to the website at this time
[2021-12-31T04:44:47Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-12-31T04:45:58Z] <acheam> send them a PR anyways thats their website rewritten in pure HTML
[2021-12-31T04:46:07Z] <acheam> no css, javascript, or jpegs inside svg
[2021-12-31T04:46:15Z] <acheam> I'm honestly curious how you end up with jpegs inside svgs
[2021-12-31T04:46:22Z] <acheam> some kind of auto-converter gone wrong?
[2021-12-31T04:46:26Z] <acheam> some attempt at optimization?
[2021-12-31T04:53:16Z] <noocsharp> yeah, its weird especially considering they have jpegs on the page
[2021-12-31T04:53:40Z] <noocsharp> maybe an autoconverter found that the jpeg inside the svg was smaller, so used that
[2021-12-31T04:53:53Z] <noocsharp> even though that specific jpeg file should not have been used in the first place
[2021-12-31T05:28:17Z] <mmatongo> Hello
[2021-12-31T05:31:28Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-12-31T05:49:05Z] <mmatongo> How are you doing?
[2021-12-31T05:49:40Z] <testuser[m]> Good
[2021-12-31T05:49:42Z] <testuser[m]> Great
[2021-12-31T05:49:43Z] <testuser[m]> Nice
[2021-12-31T05:49:45Z] <testuser[m]> You?
[2021-12-31T07:09:03Z] <vbt> does dylan araps hang out in this group?
[2021-12-31T07:09:19Z] <testuser[m]> No
[2021-12-31T07:42:40Z] <testuser[m]> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[2021-12-31T07:44:01Z] <testuser[m]> https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bzkRVzciAZg
[2021-12-31T08:19:16Z] <mmatongo> great
[2021-12-31T08:19:30Z] <mmatongo> I'm having a lil trouble installing kiss
[2021-12-31T08:20:42Z] <mmatongo> I'm still adamantly using xorg but when I run startx my mouse/touchpad and keyboard stop working and I have to reboot and stay in tty for them to work
[2021-12-31T08:55:47Z] <Guest1> Hi
[2021-12-31T09:01:50Z] <mmatongo> Hey
[2021-12-31T09:10:49Z] <Guest1> How's it going?
[2021-12-31T09:15:18Z] <mmatongo> Slow
[2021-12-31T09:15:23Z] <mmatongo> A lil hot
[2021-12-31T09:15:27Z] <mmatongo> You?
[2021-12-31T09:17:52Z] <Guest1> Good
[2021-12-31T09:27:23Z] <Guest1> I see that there are web developers here. What web stack do you recommend for creating a social network?
[2021-12-31T09:28:42Z] <vbt> svelte
[2021-12-31T09:31:01Z] <Guest1> I forgot to say, for the backend
[2021-12-31T09:31:13Z] <vbt> go
[2021-12-31T09:31:59Z] <vbt> or rust(choose warp)
[2021-12-31T09:32:38Z] <Guest1> Thanks, I'll take a look
[2021-12-31T09:32:42Z] <testuser[m]> netcat and shell script
[2021-12-31T09:32:48Z] <testuser[m]> highly scalable
[2021-12-31T09:32:56Z] <testuser[m]> run that on some microservices
[2021-12-31T09:33:46Z] <vbt> or choose this monster  https://github.com/drogonframework/drogon
[2021-12-31T09:34:30Z] <Guest1> Oh, thank you all
[2021-12-31T12:28:14Z] <chadwb[m]> <mmatongo> "I'm still adamantly using xorg..." <- Hey, I have the same issue
[2021-12-31T12:28:23Z] <chadwb[m]> when you launch it as root it works, but when you do it as a non-root user then there's something going on
[2021-12-31T12:28:53Z] <chadwb[m]> i think the problem is that you need to add your user to some group, cause it cant read libinput
[2021-12-31T13:02:20Z] <testuser[m]> chadwb: Check ls -l /dev/input
[2021-12-31T14:25:41Z] <Sarkic> Hello!
[2021-12-31T14:26:38Z] <Sarkic> i was just wondering if theres a linux-firmware package for Kiss, just because I don't know how to find out specifically what firmware I need
[2021-12-31T14:27:08Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git
[2021-12-31T14:27:16Z] <testuser[m]> downloa the full thing and extract to /usr/lib/firmware
[2021-12-31T14:28:46Z] <Sarkic> Oh damn didn't know that existed, thanks man
[2021-12-31T18:37:35Z] <testuser[m]> Sat Jan  1 00:00:00 IST 2022
[2021-12-31T18:37:38Z] <testuser[m]> Soon
[2021-12-31T18:38:17Z] <acheam> Happy new years!
[2021-12-31T18:38:20Z] * acheam checks watch
[2021-12-31T18:38:25Z] <acheam> still have 10.5 hrs here
[2021-12-31T19:56:27Z] <acheam> https://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
[2021-12-31T20:13:48Z] <dilyn> happy new year folx:)
[2021-12-31T21:00:28Z] <phoebos> acheam: ls -q
[2021-12-31T21:00:35Z] <phoebos> is posix
[2021-12-31T21:00:58Z] <phoebos> but if you're parsing ls, you need to use a language other than sh
[2021-12-31T21:10:32Z] <dilyn> doing $(ls) | while read foo; do ...; done is my favorite thing
[2021-12-31T21:13:13Z] <phoebos> *visible discomfort*
[2021-12-31T21:15:51Z] <dilyn> :V
[2021-12-31T21:15:59Z] <dilyn> only on known-safe filenames tho
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