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[2021-05-28T00:49:21Z] <riteo> well, I'll go for now
[2021-05-28T00:49:23Z] <riteo> bye!
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[2021-05-28T01:34:11Z] <midfavila> have you considered loving lain today, #kisslinux
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[2021-05-28T03:22:00Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
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[2021-05-28T03:39:16Z] <dilyn> this is us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ
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[2021-05-28T03:50:06Z] <noocsharp> im not sure whether you mean the anchor or the guy who buys the fucking garbage-ass shit that doesn't work
[2021-05-28T03:50:43Z] <noocsharp> or both simultaneously
[2021-05-28T03:52:22Z] <dilyn> every person in this video is all of us at once
[2021-05-28T03:52:38Z] <dilyn> it's roughly a synopsis of how my girlfriend describes what I do
[2021-05-28T03:53:02Z] <dilyn> today she said to me "you know, some people just pull up zoom and start there meetings" after I did a five minute mic, sound, and video check for my interview
[2021-05-28T03:53:41Z] <necromansy> me using a separate laptop just for zoom coz fuck flatpak
[2021-05-28T03:53:49Z] <noocsharp> as a teacher once told me: technology will fail you at the most inopportune time
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[2021-05-28T03:56:19Z] <dilyn> :v
[2021-05-28T03:59:09Z] <noocsharp> better to be prepared than one of the fools who falls victim to the failures of technology
[2021-05-28T04:00:15Z] <noocsharp> i say as my virtual keyboard consistently segfaults
[2021-05-28T04:09:48Z] <dilyn> gotta love it
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[2021-05-28T04:25:30Z] <m3g> midfavila: fvwm3-git does an oops? https://0x0.st/-2TL.txt
[2021-05-28T04:29:04Z] <dilyn> are you sure the url is right
[2021-05-28T04:29:28Z] <dilyn> sometimes pages don't do some kind of error redirect or anything and the file you get just reads 'error' or 'redirecting to bla' :|
[2021-05-28T04:31:45Z] <m3g> hmm
[2021-05-28T04:58:53Z] <GalaxyNova> is it possible to use kiss on a architecture other than amd64?
[2021-05-28T05:10:00Z] <dilyn> sure
[2021-05-28T05:10:31Z] <dilyn> you can do it yourself if you have a cross compiler, and some other people have setup repositories for other architectures (arm being a big one)
[2021-05-28T05:10:54Z] <dilyn> glasnost linux aims to support a variety of architectures and is a fork of KISS; uses llvm tho
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[2021-05-28T09:50:16Z] <jedavies> I added initial riscv64 support recently, now I just need some real hardware to test on.
[2021-05-28T09:53:14Z] <cem> Good job jedavies!
[2021-05-28T09:53:23Z] <cem> I wish I had some riscv hard
[2021-05-28T09:53:28Z] <cem> s/hard/hardware
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[2021-05-28T10:58:40Z] <testuser[m]_> what grep implementations exist other than busy/toybox and gnu ?
[2021-05-28T10:59:13Z] <cem> testuser[m]_: sbase?
[2021-05-28T11:00:15Z] <cem> One can also port openbsd's grep
[2021-05-28T11:00:57Z] <cem> Really depends on why you are looking for a different implementation
[2021-05-28T11:02:13Z] <cem> There is also ripgrep which is rust that excels on fast recursive searching
[2021-05-28T11:04:04Z] <testuser[m]_> thanks
[2021-05-28T11:04:32Z] <cem> sure thing
[2021-05-28T11:06:08Z] <testuser[m]_> i saw gnugrep was like 10x faster than busybox's for package installation, so wanted to compare others too
[2021-05-28T11:07:01Z] <cem> Yeah, I think GNU grep is the fastest of what's available.
[2021-05-28T11:08:30Z] <guest8722> Does somebody know anything about lld in community repos? There seems to be a function signature mismatch in the sourcecode.
[2021-05-28T11:08:46Z] <testuser[m]_> its not been bumped to 12.0.0
[2021-05-28T11:09:27Z] <testuser[m]_> you can use the one here https://github.com/git-bruh/kissLTO/tree/master/repo/lld
[2021-05-28T11:09:46Z] <guest8722> Thank you, I will try this one
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[2021-05-28T11:19:13Z] <soliwilos> There's ugrep.
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[2021-05-28T11:41:00Z] <midfavila> m3g fvwm3-git builds for me
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[2021-05-28T14:27:24Z] <riteo> hii!
[2021-05-28T14:29:17Z] <testuser[m]_> hi riy
[2021-05-28T14:29:22Z] <testuser[m]_> riteo:
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[2021-05-28T14:35:08Z] <zenomat> Hey
[2021-05-28T14:36:45Z] <acheam> hiya
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[2021-05-28T15:04:04Z] <paniash> hi everyone!
[2021-05-28T15:04:25Z] <testuser[m]_> hi paniash
[2021-05-28T15:04:28Z] <paniash> mcpcpc: I've seen you on r/unixporn! hey there
[2021-05-28T15:04:34Z] <paniash> testuser[m]_: Hi! How are you today?
[2021-05-28T15:04:40Z] <testuser[m]_> nice
[2021-05-28T15:04:47Z] <testuser[m]_> you?
[2021-05-28T15:05:20Z] <paniash> just wondering, what happened to dylan? His github profile has been inactive for a while
[2021-05-28T15:05:26Z] <paniash> testuser[m]_: I'm good. thanks :-)
[2021-05-28T15:06:12Z] <testuser[m]_> https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210519a
[2021-05-28T15:06:50Z] <paniash> ah, thanks!
[2021-05-28T15:07:25Z] <paniash> is dilyn and dylan the same person?
[2021-05-28T15:07:26Z] <midfavila> paniash tl;dr dylan burnt himself out and then Houdini'd himself the fuck out
[2021-05-28T15:07:32Z] <midfavila> and no, dilyn is different
[2021-05-28T15:07:35Z] <midfavila> he's the beta timeline dylan
[2021-05-28T15:07:54Z] <midfavila> but we still love him
[2021-05-28T15:08:43Z] <paniash> midfavila: hehe
[2021-05-28T15:08:48Z] <paniash> that's good to hear
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[2021-05-28T15:28:30Z] <dilyn> I would like to be the sigma Dylan pls
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[2021-05-28T15:29:46Z] <midfavila> sorry, too late.
[2021-05-28T15:31:51Z] <dilyn> :(
[2021-05-28T15:41:34Z] <dilyn> http://ix.io/3o93 that's a new one
[2021-05-28T15:43:02Z] <paniash> dilyn: Hi! nice to meet you. :-)
[2021-05-28T15:43:48Z] <testuser[m]_> that link is not loading
[2021-05-28T15:43:55Z] <testuser[m]_> oh it did
[2021-05-28T15:46:43Z] <testuser[m]_> dilyn: are you patching something ?
[2021-05-28T15:49:49Z] <testuser[m]_> i use cppcheck for syntax errors
[2021-05-28T15:55:56Z] <dilyn> halo paniash
[2021-05-28T15:56:04Z] <dilyn> it's just a new release of fcft
[2021-05-28T15:56:18Z] <dilyn> i use clangd, which ofc reports an identical error
[2021-05-28T15:56:24Z] <dilyn> i've just never seen this before
[2021-05-28T15:58:22Z] <dilyn> i... assume this is a header file issue, and I don't like it :X
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[2021-05-28T16:21:58Z] <dilyn> hm. regular builds work fine. PGO builds do not.
[2021-05-28T16:24:02Z] <testuser[m]_> btw dilyn is meson pgo different than just adding -fprofile-generate to cflags
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[2021-05-28T16:32:03Z] <mmatongo> https://github.com/kiss-server/repo
[2021-05-28T16:32:34Z] <mmatongo> I got bored a few months ago and made that.
[2021-05-28T16:34:31Z] <dilyn> not... substantially... afaik
[2021-05-28T16:35:02Z] <mmatongo> wot
[2021-05-28T16:35:11Z] <dilyn> that was at testuser sry
[2021-05-28T16:35:42Z] <dilyn> basically telling meson to do it makes packaging PGO things "simpler"/"easier"
[2021-05-28T16:36:38Z] <dilyn> aw look you packaged php ;v
[2021-05-28T16:37:03Z] <mmatongo> hehe yeah
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[2021-05-28T16:50:22Z] <midfavila> Any of you guys know of a good office chair that doesn't cost a billion dollars?
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[2021-05-28T16:51:26Z] <kqz> i just bought an ikea markus, pretty good "budget" chair
[2021-05-28T16:52:10Z] <midfavila> hmm. Looks alright, I suppose. I've been thinking of replacing my armchair recently
[2021-05-28T16:52:20Z] <midfavila> As comfy as it is, it's too easy to slouch in it.
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[2021-05-28T17:01:22Z] <dilyn> i don't think you're going to find a 'good office chair' for under $600 :|
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[2021-05-28T17:02:13Z] <midfavila> probably. still, I can hope.
[2021-05-28T17:02:40Z] <midfavila> worst comes to pass I'll just have to be more mindful of the way I'm seated.
[2021-05-28T17:03:58Z] <midfavila> Maybe attach wheels to my usual chair this summer... *what could possibly go wrong*.
[2021-05-28T17:04:02Z] * acheam sits up
[2021-05-28T17:04:09Z] <dilyn> XD
[2021-05-28T17:04:15Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2021-05-28T17:04:54Z] <midfavila> ...oh shit, STLWRT reworks the file picker. Based, TheSquash.
[2021-05-28T17:08:11Z] <ang> midfavila: wasn't it you who considered sitting on the floor?
[2021-05-28T17:08:38Z] <midfavila> I don't think so.
[2021-05-28T17:09:06Z] <ang> oh ok, I just remember someone mentioning the idea in this channel
[2021-05-28T17:09:17Z] <dilyn> that's some chaotic neutral shit
[2021-05-28T17:09:46Z] <midfavila> as the channel's chaotic evil, I have an obligation to only sit in tall wing-back armchairs
[2021-05-28T17:09:54Z] <midfavila> it's part of the motif. or something.
[2021-05-28T17:09:59Z] <acheam> can't get good ergonomics with a computer while sitting on the floor
[2021-05-28T17:10:05Z] <dilyn> unless...
[2021-05-28T17:10:27Z] <acheam> I dont remember chairs being part of motif, and I read the manual pretty well
[2021-05-28T17:10:42Z] <acheam> is this some compile time feature?
[2021-05-28T17:10:47Z] * midfavila brandishes a rolled-up copy of 2600 magazine
[2021-05-28T17:10:53Z] <ang> depends on the table height, acheam
[2021-05-28T17:11:06Z] <acheam> oh I assumed no chair and table
[2021-05-28T17:11:13Z] <midfavila> My primary concern is back support
[2021-05-28T17:11:27Z] * acheam realizes he slouched over already
[2021-05-28T17:11:31Z] <ang> get one of those gymnastic balls
[2021-05-28T17:11:35Z] * midfavila whaps acheam
[2021-05-28T17:11:51Z] <midfavila> Back straight, feet planted firmly on the floor. >:c
[2021-05-28T17:11:58Z] <midfavila> next time it's the yardstick
[2021-05-28T17:12:13Z] <ang> it's kind of a meme but I moved to the floor
[2021-05-28T17:12:20Z] <ang> it's not too bad tbh
[2021-05-28T17:12:30Z] <ang> second best thing is a gymnastic ball tho
[2021-05-28T17:12:48Z] <midfavila> I don't mind sitting on the ground if I can find a nice tree to curl up under for a few hours.
[2021-05-28T17:14:09Z] <acheam> phoebos: have you considered upstreaming the make file target changes in catgirl
[2021-05-28T17:29:09Z] <testuser[m]_> https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/856514/bd36cc646fac2071/
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[2021-05-28T17:31:45Z] <dilyn> thanks, google devs
[2021-05-28T17:31:58Z] <dilyn> llvm main compiler for the kernel wheeeeeeeennnn :v
[2021-05-28T17:32:56Z] <testuser[m]_> wonder when gnu is gonna catch uo
[2021-05-28T17:32:57Z] <testuser[m]_> up
[2021-05-28T17:33:49Z] <dilyn> is something like cfi 'in-scope' for gcc?
[2021-05-28T17:35:16Z] <kiedtl> cfi looks like massive overkill for normies like us
[2021-05-28T17:35:27Z] <kiedtl> but I get why you'd use it in a high-risk env
[2021-05-28T17:35:31Z] <kiedtl> or just any old server, lol
[2021-05-28T17:35:43Z] <dilyn> ah, cool https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-CET-GCC-8-Landing
[2021-05-28T17:35:53Z] <dilyn> yeah google has been using it on android devices for years
[2021-05-28T17:36:51Z] <dilyn> and that's basically... it for gcc, as far as i can gather. just some intel cet
[2021-05-28T17:37:09Z] <dilyn> there's a paper about it... hm
[2021-05-28T17:37:13Z] <kiedtl> well on the other hand you can't expect your typical android user to know what's safe to run :^))
[2021-05-28T17:38:34Z] <dilyn> it's nie impossible considering how many apps there are
[2021-05-28T17:40:24Z] <kiedtl> Obviously the solution is to not use Android, but to instead work with a niche OS like PostmarketOS which no malware author in their right mind would dream of writing malware for
[2021-05-28T17:47:43Z] <midfavila> testuser[m]_ are you a LWN subscriber? if so, do you think it's worth it?
[2021-05-28T17:48:00Z] <testuser[m]_> no i got that links from elsewhere
[2021-05-28T17:48:16Z] <midfavila> Aaah, gotcha.
[2021-05-28T17:49:29Z] <jedavies> dilyn: compiling the kernel with LLVM=1 and LLVM_IAS=1 should work already on x86_64?  https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/llvm.html
[2021-05-28T17:50:08Z] <kqz> yes, since 5.11 i believe
[2021-05-28T17:55:14Z] <midfavila> ...oh, god fucking damnit...... somehow I lost track of my bash bunny.
[2021-05-28T17:55:19Z] * midfavila groans
[2021-05-28T18:00:42Z] <dilyn> it does, yes
[2021-05-28T18:00:51Z] <dilyn> i mean supplanting gcc as the 'de facto' compiler
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[2021-05-28T18:52:55Z] <midfavila> prrrrrrobably not for, uh
[2021-05-28T18:53:03Z] <midfavila> quite a long, long time
[2021-05-28T18:53:05Z] <midfavila> :v
[2021-05-28T19:03:55Z] <acheam> midfavila: bash bunny?
[2021-05-28T19:04:17Z] <midfavila> it's a type of "bad USB"
[2021-05-28T19:04:58Z] <midfavila> basically, it's a little ARM machine running Debian that can emulate different types of USB devices, and can run programs automatically when plugged into a machine
[2021-05-28T19:05:25Z] <midfavila> so an example that's actually kind of practical would be automating a KISS install.
[2021-05-28T19:06:55Z] <midfavila> ...of course, you could also be boring and just use it as a regular USB drive.
[2021-05-28T19:20:15Z] <GalaxyNova> kernels above 5.10 don't compile on KISS
[2021-05-28T19:20:18Z] <GalaxyNova> for some reason
[2021-05-28T19:23:43Z] * midfavila laughs in 5.11.11
[2021-05-28T19:23:59Z] <midfavila> there was a blog post about that
[2021-05-28T19:24:04Z] <midfavila> apparently it's an issue with ifdefs?
[2021-05-28T19:28:10Z] <GalaxyNova> is there a workaround?
[2021-05-28T19:30:25Z] <midfavila> see the aforementioned blogpost on the site
[2021-05-28T19:30:26Z] <dilyn> check k1sslinux.org/news
[2021-05-28T19:30:32Z] <midfavila> i think it's been linked here before a few times
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