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[2021-05-24T00:10:13Z] gngn [2021-05-24T00:16:58Z] Sweets quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T00:40:39Z] Sweets joined [2021-05-24T00:40:57Z] back, by unpopular demand: me [2021-05-24T00:41:07Z] :) [2021-05-24T00:41:51Z] Sweets: could you help me out? [2021-05-24T00:41:57Z] I can try [2021-05-24T00:42:13Z] Im trying to find out if qutebrowser is in the repos [2021-05-24T00:42:45Z] I was thinking about installing kiss linux tomorrow on a spare laptop [2021-05-24T00:43:00Z] but if my favorite browser is not there, I might have a hard time :/ [2021-05-24T00:43:32Z] falkon is in community if you want to give that a go [2021-05-24T00:43:46Z] Doesn't look like it, but I'm sure someone has packaged it [2021-05-24T00:43:51Z] you can also just like [2021-05-24T00:43:53Z] package it yourself [2021-05-24T00:43:54Z] just not in the official repos [2021-05-24T00:44:11Z] yeah, seems like it was in the community repo at some point. [2021-05-24T00:44:55Z] it certainly was; I believe claudia: worked on it [2021-05-24T00:45:03Z] carlosdavidepto: I'll give it a look. Never heard about it before. [2021-05-24T00:45:13Z] falkon is the only qt browser worth using imho [2021-05-24T00:45:21Z] viperbrowser is pretty good too [2021-05-24T00:45:27Z] falkon is KDEs browser [2021-05-24T00:45:27Z] falkon is a fork of qutebrowser if my memory isn't corrupted [2021-05-24T00:45:32Z] they're all based on webshit [2021-05-24T00:45:34Z] I personally like wget [2021-05-24T00:45:39Z] hehe [2021-05-24T00:45:39Z] based on webengine lad [2021-05-24T00:45:44Z] wget is bloat [2021-05-24T00:45:45Z] use axel [2021-05-24T00:45:55Z] ... [2021-05-24T00:46:02Z] wtf is axel [2021-05-24T00:46:10Z] I just use a TCP socket and output the entire HTTP protocol by hand to the socket [2021-05-24T00:46:15Z] Perhaps I should just drop the internet al together [2021-05-24T00:46:22Z] multi-threaded download utility under 100kb [2021-05-24T00:46:36Z] lastchansen, this is the way [2021-05-24T00:46:45Z] ngl [2021-05-24T00:46:50Z] i considered dropping internet at my house [2021-05-24T00:46:59Z] it's hard [2021-05-24T00:47:06Z] I went without internet at my last apartment for four months [2021-05-24T00:47:07Z] peak dylan [2021-05-24T00:47:07Z] yeah, but I think I'd benefit a lot from it [2021-05-24T00:47:12Z] f [2021-05-24T00:47:17Z] as it stands I spend a lot of time just sort of [2021-05-24T00:47:20Z] staring at IRC [2021-05-24T00:47:23Z] midfavila: me too, but then they bumped my connection to a 300mbit [2021-05-24T00:47:32Z] my connection is gigabit duplex, but... [2021-05-24T00:47:37Z] it doesn't even matter most times [2021-05-24T00:47:39Z] I don't think falkon and qutebrowser share history. One is in python and the other is c++ [2021-05-24T00:47:46Z] i'd rather half the service at half the price, honestly [2021-05-24T00:48:06Z] i pay 130$ a month plus rental fees for the modem and the price keeps increasing [2021-05-24T00:48:24Z] gigabit seems basically useless unless you're doing immense networking related stuff [2021-05-24T00:48:31Z] i agree [2021-05-24T00:48:32Z] the thing is, [2021-05-24T00:48:43Z] the next cheapest plan knocks maybe ten bucks off the price [2021-05-24T00:48:44Z] i can wait the extra three seconds for my kernel download [2021-05-24T00:48:48Z] ew [2021-05-24T00:48:49Z] but it drops you down to 500mbit [2021-05-24T00:49:07Z] internet pricing in this hemisphere makes zero sense [2021-05-24T00:49:08Z] and the *next* cheapest knocks another ten bucks off the price, and that's only 100mbit [2021-05-24T00:49:13Z] but [2021-05-24T00:49:15Z] get this [2021-05-24T00:49:21Z] that's the *promotional* price [2021-05-24T00:49:35Z] after a year they ramp the 100mbit plan's price up so that it's almost the same as the gigabit. [2021-05-24T00:49:50Z] it's criminal. [2021-05-24T00:49:59Z] like, not literally, but it should be. [2021-05-24T00:50:15Z] and then they try to charge you 50$ a month for local VoIP calls [2021-05-24T00:50:16Z] it might be criminal mid [2021-05-24T00:50:32Z] I have been up for 30 some odd hours now, gamers [2021-05-24T00:50:32Z] no, it's not. the CRTC doesn't care about the pricing of this stuff [2021-05-24T00:50:34Z] ottawa and the telecoms sometimes butt heads with one another [2021-05-24T00:51:02Z] besides, Bell's response is "well we need increased funding to deal with increased network load as a result of the pandemic" [2021-05-24T00:51:05Z] lastchansen: You can have a look here. http://ix.io/3nHn [2021-05-24T00:51:20Z] which, like [2021-05-24T00:51:21Z] fuck off [2021-05-24T00:51:23Z] no you don't [2021-05-24T00:51:29Z] you don't spend shit on infrastructure [2021-05-24T00:51:36Z] no, we do [2021-05-24T00:51:38Z] in taxes [2021-05-24T00:51:40Z] claudia: thanks :) [2021-05-24T00:51:52Z] taxation is theft [2021-05-24T00:51:53Z] B) [2021-05-24T00:52:02Z] i'm lucky in that I don't have taxable income while I attend school... [2021-05-24T00:52:21Z] those fuckers receive subsidies for the infrastructure because canada would be too hard to cover otherwise [2021-05-24T00:52:40Z] * midfavila nods [2021-05-24T00:52:42Z] under the condition that the provide service at reasonable prices [2021-05-24T00:52:47Z] "reasonable"... [2021-05-24T00:52:52Z] s/the/they [2021-05-24T00:53:41Z] involuntary taxation is definitely theft, Sweets [2021-05-24T00:54:45Z] it's just that some of us are somewhat lenient on that front because we kind like to have hospitals and stuff like that [2021-05-24T00:55:36Z] big agree [2021-05-24T00:55:37Z] but yeah, telecoms in canada are terrible [2021-05-24T00:55:46Z] not having to declare bankruptcy because of an overnight visit is awesome [2021-05-24T01:20:22Z] zenomat quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-24T01:21:32Z] zenomat joined [2021-05-24T01:21:32Z] zenomat quit: Changing host [2021-05-24T01:21:32Z] zenomat joined [2021-05-24T01:21:58Z] claudia quit: Quit: zzz [2021-05-24T01:39:20Z] Sweets quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-24T02:03:10Z] kqz quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T02:29:37Z] illiliti joined [2021-05-24T02:50:57Z] https://teddit.net/r/linux/comments/njlr5n/life_without_config_vty_in_2021_on_the_desktop/ [2021-05-24T02:51:08Z] anyone here not use VTs? [2021-05-24T02:51:23Z] I fall back to them daily [2021-05-24T02:51:33Z] but a cleaner /Dev is alluring [2021-05-24T03:07:21Z] this looks a bit more like windowsification than anything else [2021-05-24T03:12:52Z] carlosdavidepto parted: Leaving [2021-05-24T03:20:30Z] rm /dev/tty[1-9][0-9] [2021-05-24T03:23:44Z] Uks2 quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-24T03:24:44Z] Uks2 joined [2021-05-24T03:27:04Z] midfavila-laptop joined [2021-05-24T03:27:07Z] hi [2021-05-24T03:27:12Z] 'ello [2021-05-24T03:27:19Z] Figured I'd give epic5 another shot [2021-05-24T03:27:24Z] its default config is... sparse [2021-05-24T03:28:21Z] Considering switching to a tty-only system on my laptop though, so it'll have to do [2021-05-24T03:30:41Z] ang quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [2021-05-24T03:33:42Z] ang joined [2021-05-24T03:42:35Z] midfavila-laptop quit: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [2021-05-24T03:43:28Z] midfavila-laptop joined [2021-05-24T03:43:54Z] claudia: thanks, it must be a problem with the eglstreams backend then. I'll let the dev know [2021-05-24T03:56:03Z] midfavila-laptop quit: Quit: ircII EPIC5-2.1.2 -- Are we there yet? [2021-05-24T04:00:06Z] hi testuser [2021-05-24T04:00:12Z] thanks for introducing me to lariza [2021-05-24T04:00:25Z] its been tons of fun today and yesterday to hack on [2021-05-24T04:00:50Z] I think this will be my new browser (at least after I implement a few more features that I want) [2021-05-24T04:52:03Z] nice [2021-05-24T04:52:22Z] i'd use webkit browsers but it just dont work [2021-05-24T04:52:36Z] Uks3 joined [2021-05-24T04:53:02Z] Uks2 quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer [2021-05-24T04:57:46Z] m3g quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T04:57:59Z] works fine here /shrug [2021-05-24T05:22:48Z] Uks2 joined [2021-05-24T05:25:22Z] Uks3 quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T05:28:09Z] aws changed nick to aws_ [2021-05-24T05:42:27Z] dilyn quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-24T05:55:10Z] aws joined [2021-05-24T06:13:37Z] m3g joined [2021-05-24T06:15:56Z] smartin joined [2021-05-24T06:30:13Z] schillingklaus joined [2021-05-24T06:44:49Z] acheam: the fortune thing hasnt been updated in a while [2021-05-24T06:55:53Z] m3g quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [2021-05-24T06:59:51Z] illiliti quit: Quit: leaving [2021-05-24T07:20:02Z] illiliti joined [2021-05-24T07:30:26Z] smartin quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-24T07:36:41Z] smartin joined [2021-05-24T08:29:13Z] sad_plan joined [2021-05-24T08:37:36Z] sad_plan quit: Quit: [2021-05-24T08:59:58Z] gtms joined [2021-05-24T09:05:30Z] sad_plan joined [2021-05-24T09:46:44Z] kubast2 joined [2021-05-24T09:55:42Z] gtms quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-24T09:58:01Z] kubast2 quit: Quit: Leaving [2021-05-24T10:03:32Z] sad_plan quit: Quit: [2021-05-24T10:07:00Z] sad_plan joined [2021-05-24T10:07:46Z] sad_plan quit: Client Quit [2021-05-24T10:31:24Z] vb joined [2021-05-24T10:39:59Z] claudia joined [2021-05-24T10:47:54Z] claudia quit: Quit: zzz [2021-05-24T10:48:02Z] cem joined [2021-05-24T10:49:41Z] claudia joined [2021-05-24T10:51:35Z] gtms joined [2021-05-24T11:16:15Z] Sweets joined [2021-05-24T11:16:21Z] back by unpopular demand: me [2021-05-24T11:20:03Z] vb quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T11:31:12Z] strajder joined [2021-05-24T11:31:49Z] back by popular demand when?: me without stress [2021-05-24T12:16:13Z] no sweets we love you [2021-05-24T12:16:35Z] testuser[m]: yeah ive been slowly adding to it [2021-05-24T12:16:55Z] midfavila quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-24T12:16:57Z] don't want to spam dilyn with updates [2021-05-24T12:17:18Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-24T12:23:43Z] do it, spam dilyn with updates [2021-05-24T12:23:59Z] what's he going to do? thank you? [2021-05-24T12:24:24Z] throw a soy latte at you [2021-05-24T12:25:46Z] that it a very real threat [2021-05-24T12:26:15Z] you'll have to bring a shield, Sweets [2021-05-24T12:26:27Z] i suggest acheam. he's good at taking abuse [2021-05-24T12:26:30Z] * midfavila nods sagely [2021-05-24T12:27:27Z] oi I'm the one commiting [2021-05-24T12:27:34Z] why do I have to be the shield too [2021-05-24T12:27:43Z] because you're convenient. [2021-05-24T12:29:02Z] is colibri the new official suckless init? [2021-05-24T12:29:17Z] lol what [2021-05-24T12:29:24Z] is the name inspired by hummingbird [2021-05-24T12:29:33Z] colibri means hummingbird in french [2021-05-24T12:29:39Z] oops hummingbird, of course. [2021-05-24T12:29:48Z] that flies right into my face [2021-05-24T12:35:49Z] schillingklaus: hopefully not. I don't personally like the people over at suckless. That, and hummingbird doesn't in anyway conform to their coding standards :P [2021-05-24T12:36:19Z] Actually, I can't say I don't like the people at suckless, I do like some of them, I don't like their standards though [2021-05-24T12:36:43Z] well, they're super strict, right? [2021-05-24T12:36:59Z] Yeah, but it's not about strictness [2021-05-24T12:37:59Z] Their code is horribly unreadable, and I'm very much for readable code [2021-05-24T12:38:30Z] To clarify, I don't mean unintelligble, by "unreadable" I mean it looks like dogshit [2021-05-24T12:39:06Z] ts194 joined [2021-05-24T12:39:18Z] I'll give them the benefit of the doubt though, or at least some of it, C isn't known for being the most readable language [2021-05-24T12:39:28Z] yeah I agree on that [2021-05-24T12:39:39Z] their c style guide is odd imo [2021-05-24T12:39:49Z] and it makes their code wack [2021-05-24T12:39:56Z] but also as a C programmer myself, I don't give them that much of a pass >:) [2021-05-24T12:41:55Z] i remember thinking that it was hard to read [2021-05-24T12:41:58Z] glad that it's not just me [2021-05-24T12:42:18Z] i wanted to read ST and use that knowledge to try and write my own terminal, but... that didn't happen. [2021-05-24T12:43:53Z] Yeah, no suckless program is particularly readable. Their coding style is horrible. I mean, like I said, I am biased in favor of clean and readable code in the first place, but still, I think it's unacceptable. [2021-05-24T12:44:17Z] It's kind of like how back when I worked as a webdev, people would try to make really bad code so that they could become irreplaceable to the employer. [2021-05-24T12:44:33Z] (which never works anyways because then the employer would just hire someone better who _could_ read their code) [2021-05-24T12:44:42Z] well, if you can't write good code... [2021-05-24T12:44:47Z] * midfavila shrugs [2021-05-24T12:45:04Z] I'm trying to just stick to K&R for now, with one alteration [2021-05-24T12:45:05Z] what's ACTION [2021-05-24T12:45:13Z] opening and closing brackets are lined up [2021-05-24T12:45:21Z] I think there's a difference though in that wording. Some people can, but choose not to, which is worse than not knowing how to write good code at all [2021-05-24T12:45:30Z] that's purely because I'm a little more used to staring at Scheme [2021-05-24T12:45:53Z] and yeah, intentionally doing a shit job is... well, a real shit thing to do. [2021-05-24T12:53:43Z] strajder parted: [2021-05-24T12:54:09Z] dilyn joined [2021-05-24T12:54:23Z] ts194 quit: Ping timeout: 244 seconds [2021-05-24T12:57:17Z] modula > C [2021-05-24T12:57:28Z] fite me Cniles [2021-05-24T13:00:05Z] >he doesn't write his programs in Verilog [2021-05-24T13:00:14Z] imagine designing software. [2021-05-24T13:01:39Z] imagine programming [2021-05-24T13:01:41Z] couldn't be me [2021-05-24T13:02:12Z] that shit's for fuckin nerds [2021-05-24T13:02:20Z] oh which there are obviously none in this channel. [2021-05-24T13:02:25Z] s/oh/of/ [2021-05-24T13:03:48Z] there's a few nerds [2021-05-24T13:03:50Z] like dilyn? [2021-05-24T13:03:53Z] fucking nerd, that guy [2021-05-24T13:04:00Z] he's not a nerd, he's a geek [2021-05-24T13:04:04Z] far more bully-able. [2021-05-24T13:08:45Z] I ain't no stickin nerd [2021-05-24T13:14:00Z] kqz joined [2021-05-24T13:21:39Z] Sweets: no offense, but i wouldn't say that your code is very readable and safe [2021-05-24T13:21:51Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/hummingbird.c#L14 << this isn't readable [2021-05-24T13:21:53Z] @kqz @claudia sorry this is late, but yes I had an issue building wf-config due to libxml2 as well. I had to symlink the nested folder /usr/include/libxml2/libxml up one level before parser.h was able to be "found" and wf-config would build. [2021-05-24T13:21:55Z] ooooooh get blasted [2021-05-24T13:22:02Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/hummingbird.c#L19 << fork() can fail [2021-05-24T13:22:11Z] illiliti comin' in hot [2021-05-24T13:22:25Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/hummingbird.c#L47 << signal is deprecated, use sigaction [2021-05-24T13:22:45Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/hummingbird.h#L1 << this isn't portable [2021-05-24T13:23:34Z] aws_ quit: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [2021-05-24T13:23:39Z] O: weird omanom, i wonder why detection is breaking [2021-05-24T13:23:50Z] :O: [2021-05-24T13:24:01Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/init.h#L1 << same here [2021-05-24T13:24:12Z] based illiliti [2021-05-24T13:24:16Z] not sure, there was even an -I/usr/include/imlib2 line so its not like it didn't have the right directory identified [2021-05-24T13:24:17Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.h#L1 << and here [2021-05-24T13:24:27Z] i mean [2021-05-24T13:24:31Z] it's linux init software [2021-05-24T13:24:33Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/signal.h#L1 << last one [2021-05-24T13:24:37Z] does it *have* to be perfectly portable? [2021-05-24T13:24:43Z] it's not like anyone is going to run it on hpux [2021-05-24T13:24:52Z] or, like, illumos. or something. [2021-05-24T13:25:16Z] (legit question btw) [2021-05-24T13:25:39Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.c#L56-L58 << DOUBLE KILL! if calloc fails, sprintf will overwrite some random portions of memory and will cause segfault [2021-05-24T13:25:52Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.c#L68 << same here [2021-05-24T13:25:57Z] oh snap [2021-05-24T13:26:04Z] omanom: The issue was even with libxml2 2.9.10 and 2.9.12 . I am not quite sure what else can have to do with the breakage. [2021-05-24T13:26:15Z] t-t-t-triple kill [2021-05-24T13:26:37Z] even weirder, works fine with libxml2 2.9.10 here [2021-05-24T13:27:18Z] are you building with gcc and friends? i'm on wyverkiss so everything is clang here, that's the only discrep i can think of off the top of my head [2021-05-24T13:27:26Z] yeah gcc. [2021-05-24T13:27:29Z] yes, gcc here [2021-05-24T13:28:00Z] clung [2021-05-24T13:28:13Z] but I'm using gcc as well [2021-05-24T13:28:31Z] none of that llvm shit for me. [2021-05-24T13:28:45Z] clung plus lolvm, or as I've taken to call it clung/lolvm [2021-05-24T13:29:01Z] absolute *cringe* [2021-05-24T13:29:53Z] But it must have to do with wf-config because another programm(rdrreader) picks it up just fine. [2021-05-24T13:29:58Z] does "pkg-config libxml-2.0 --cflags-only-I" have the right path? [2021-05-24T13:30:45Z] god I learned that you have to use pkgconfig to compile modern stuff the other day [2021-05-24T13:30:51Z] kqz: -I/usr/lib/pkgconfig/../../include/libxml2 [2021-05-24T13:31:01Z] tried to build a hello world in GTK without pkgconfig and it couldn't find *anything* [2021-05-24T13:31:11Z] i rage-removed everything wayland and went back to X, so things might not be the same, but "-I/usr/include/libxml2" [2021-05-24T13:31:24Z] based omanom [2021-05-24T13:32:15Z] yeah those both should be right, i got no clue why that's happening lol [2021-05-24T13:32:39Z] computer moment [2021-05-24T13:32:55Z] can not be me [2021-05-24T13:32:56Z] background radiation [2021-05-24T13:33:31Z] if that occurs for me again, what is the "right" way to handle it? an extra flag in the build script specifying the subdir if it exists? is a symlink "ok"? [2021-05-24T13:33:44Z] symlinks aren't going to cause anything to explode [2021-05-24T13:33:58Z] yeah symlink is an ok workaround [2021-05-24T13:34:11Z] does adding "-I/usr/include/libxml2" to CXXFLAGS help? [2021-05-24T13:34:23Z] omanom: This symlink didtn broke anything for another programm e.g. [2021-05-24T13:34:33Z] oh also, what meson version are you guys on? [2021-05-24T13:34:40Z] @claudia not that i've encountered, no [2021-05-24T13:34:56Z] .58 kqz [2021-05-24T13:35:03Z] in terms of CXXFLAGS, i checked in the log output and that folder was already included [2021-05-24T13:35:22Z] i didn't manually specify it though [2021-05-24T13:35:53Z] illiliti: #pragma once is chosen specifically because it's not very likely that a given libc doesn't implement it, and the very few cases where it might apply is likely not linux, of which hummingbird is a _linux_ init [2021-05-24T13:36:07Z] if (access(...)) is perfectly readable [2021-05-24T13:36:08Z] I [2021-05-24T13:36:09Z] kqz: Yes it does. [2021-05-24T13:36:18Z] I'll fix signal() [2021-05-24T13:36:21Z] Thanks for that one [2021-05-24T13:36:28Z] Damn I did this, but only for CFLAGS... [2021-05-24T13:36:53Z] hmm, so something is up with ninja/meson i guess [2021-05-24T13:36:55Z] kqz: meson 0.58.0 [2021-05-24T13:36:57Z] I'll also fix calloc() [2021-05-24T13:37:05Z] also on .58 here as well [2021-05-24T13:37:09Z] oh hm or maybe i misread, maybe it didn't have it in CXXFLAGS. this is the more likely scenario :) [2021-05-24T13:38:29Z] I specifically chose using pragma once over an include guard though [2021-05-24T13:38:43Z] so wait, just out of curiosity: [2021-05-24T13:38:44Z] is #pragma once something implemented in the libc ? [2021-05-24T13:38:46Z] what's pragma? [2021-05-24T13:38:52Z] i thought it was in the compiler [2021-05-24T13:39:01Z] c preprocessor to be exact [2021-05-24T13:39:01Z] i think its a gcc thing [2021-05-24T13:39:01Z] It is in the compiler, my bad [2021-05-24T13:39:10Z] illiliti quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer [2021-05-24T13:39:46Z] *illiliti drops the mic* [2021-05-24T13:39:54Z] Anyways, regardless, while #pragma once isn't standard, it isn't very often unimplemented in a given compiler [2021-05-24T13:40:06Z] kqz: I tried with meson 0.57.2 . It does not find it. [2021-05-24T13:40:18Z] but how will i build hummingbird with tcc [2021-05-24T13:40:25Z] tbf [2021-05-24T13:40:31Z] building hummingbird with tcc would be based [2021-05-24T13:40:37Z] illiliti joined [2021-05-24T13:40:42Z] oh! actually, I just remembered I downgraded to 56.2 for a seperate issue I was having [2021-05-24T13:40:54Z] and didn't update my version file lol [2021-05-24T13:40:56Z] kiss cproc when? [2021-05-24T13:40:57Z] try that maybe ;d [2021-05-24T13:41:00Z] i do wish tcc was actually usable as a primary compiler though... [2021-05-24T13:41:01Z] Also, what? Where is he seeing that signal() is deprecated [2021-05-24T13:41:17Z] either use header guards either follow the simple rule: no #include in headers [2021-05-24T13:41:56Z] https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/signal.html [2021-05-24T13:41:58Z] The sigaction() function provides a more comprehensive and reliable mechanism for controlling signals; new applications should use sigaction() rather than signal(). [2021-05-24T13:41:59Z] kqz: Nope meson 0.56.2 does not find it. [2021-05-24T13:42:26Z] ah, yeah I just upgraded back to .58 and I can still build as well [2021-05-24T13:42:30Z] Alright, I'll replace it with sigaction() then. [2021-05-24T13:42:41Z] wait [2021-05-24T13:42:42Z] any ways. Clean workaround found. Thx for keeping up on this. [2021-05-24T13:42:45Z] people *care* about the open group? [2021-05-24T13:43:02Z] open group == posix [2021-05-24T13:43:12Z] yes, I know, but like... [2021-05-24T13:43:23Z] i thought they were mostly a giant meme . -. [2021-05-24T13:43:37Z] illiliti: Still would like to know how you would not L14 of hummingbird.c unreadable. [2021-05-24T13:44:17Z] Sweets: were you not roasted enough? [2021-05-24T13:44:31Z] twas but a scratch [2021-05-24T13:44:31Z] (kidding) [2021-05-24T13:45:28Z] lol [2021-05-24T13:46:09Z] ...? [2021-05-24T13:46:16Z] is open group still trying to charge 1mil for a lifetime motif license [2021-05-24T13:46:20Z] also interesting article regarding dropping VTs acheam, I was just looking into seeing if I could do the same last night [2021-05-24T13:46:58Z] Also, illiliti, my claims against suckless' were about readable code. Nowhere in there did I say safe ;) [2021-05-24T13:47:13Z] So I appreciate you bringing the safety concerns up in the code, I'll have them fixed [2021-05-24T13:47:25Z] Sweets: because it feels like access return value is used as boolean which is not true. I suggest to explicitly check return value instead of relying on that indirect behavior [2021-05-24T13:47:36Z] you're welcome [2021-05-24T13:49:10Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.c#L37 [2021-05-24T13:49:13Z] same here [2021-05-24T13:49:15Z] oh, no, never mind. OG isn't charging 1mil for a lifetime license [2021-05-24T13:49:17Z] !strcmp [2021-05-24T13:49:20Z] they're charging *six* million [2021-05-24T13:49:24Z] amazing [2021-05-24T13:50:06Z] It'll be fixed then [2021-05-24T13:50:49Z] on the topic of hummingbird.c' [2021-05-24T13:50:55Z] or rather [2021-05-24T13:50:56Z] of fork() [2021-05-24T13:51:12Z] it tests for pid == 0 and pid > 0, but if pid < 0 (fork() failed) nothing is ran [2021-05-24T13:51:24Z] We don't need to return since there are no further instructions [2021-05-24T13:52:28Z] So it doesn't assume fork() succeeded in the first place, rather it only executes instructions if it didn't fail at all [2021-05-24T13:53:39Z] true [2021-05-24T13:55:15Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.c#L21-L22 << i think this should be dropped entirely [2021-05-24T13:55:23Z] especially /var/tmp [2021-05-24T13:55:43Z] Why for? [2021-05-24T13:56:10Z] "they might not exist in the filesystem" ? [2021-05-24T13:56:20Z] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard [2021-05-24T13:56:25Z] /var/tmp [2021-05-24T13:56:26Z] Temporary files to be preserved between reboots. [2021-05-24T13:56:32Z] Ah, /var/tmp will be fixed then [2021-05-24T13:58:52Z] Sweets quit: Quit: leaving [2021-05-24T13:59:10Z] Sweets joined [2021-05-24T13:59:17Z] http://xforms-toolkit.org/screenshots/vocode.gif [2021-05-24T13:59:30Z] to anyone who does graphical programming [2021-05-24T13:59:38Z] please never make your applications look like this [2021-05-24T14:00:21Z] we need MOAR SETTINGS [2021-05-24T14:00:31Z] mid that software is for power users and you are obviously a weak user [2021-05-24T14:00:43Z] i'm far too weak to stare at that for more than five seconds [2021-05-24T14:00:54Z] windows 3.1's hotdog stand theme isn't aesthetic at all, my guy [2021-05-24T14:01:13Z] this looks like it's trying way too hard to copy that [2021-05-24T14:01:30Z] maybe it's avante-garde art [2021-05-24T14:01:40Z] it's something [2021-05-24T14:01:50Z] https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/blob/master/src/shutdown.c#L69 << afaik, getrandom() is already available in musl/glibc/uclibc-ng. no need to use syscall [2021-05-24T14:02:36Z] illiliti: getrandom() still fails on some systems running glibc < 2.25 [2021-05-24T14:02:43Z] someone already reported an issue with building [2021-05-24T14:02:51Z] which is mind blowing to me in the first place since 2.25 came out in 2017 [2021-05-24T14:02:59Z] it used to be a getentropy() call [2021-05-24T14:03:07Z] Uks3 joined [2021-05-24T14:03:23Z] Uks2 quit: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [2021-05-24T14:11:44Z] alright, off to work [2021-05-24T14:11:46Z] Sweets quit: Quit: leaving [2021-05-24T14:26:39Z] carlosdavidepto joined [2021-05-24T14:33:07Z] cem quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer [2021-05-24T14:45:32Z] cem joined [2021-05-24T14:49:35Z] m3g joined [2021-05-24T15:09:52Z] midfavila quit: Remote host closed the connection [2021-05-24T15:15:55Z] midfavila joined [2021-05-24T15:18:24Z] midfavila: Do you dig that colorsheme? [2021-05-24T15:18:39Z] There seems to be a theme available for progman. https://github.com/jcs/progman/blob/master/themes/hotdogstand.ini [2021-05-24T15:20:59Z] dear god no [2021-05-24T15:21:08Z] hotdog makes me want to drink bleach [2021-05-24T15:21:15Z] kubast2 joined [2021-05-24T15:22:07Z] that colorscheme was designed under severe bugdetary restrictions [2021-05-24T15:22:42Z] they couldn't afford any ui/ux people, so they hired the CEO's son to do it [2021-05-24T15:22:57Z] who happened to be a toddler at the time. and colorblind [2021-05-24T15:22:59Z] his three year old son. [2021-05-24T15:23:07Z] "have some crayons and go to town" [2021-05-24T15:23:42Z] and I mean, the progman window manager is nifty [2021-05-24T15:23:44Z] "shit no not like that what are you /doing/" [2021-05-24T15:23:51Z] but I kind of want to tinker with windowlab more [2021-05-24T15:24:58Z] with a few minor changes it'd be super comfy in terms of usability, and a few *more* and it might even start to look nice [2021-05-24T15:26:30Z] I have a feeling I am doing something terribly wrong [2021-05-24T15:26:38Z] what did you *do*\ [2021-05-24T15:26:56Z] do I have to get the official #kisslinux rolled-up newspaper out [2021-05-24T15:27:27Z] I am just trying to make a simple kiss package to automate kernel building a small bit; rn I am figuring out how to actually put my own config file in; or do I just maybe I should just make defconfig and patch the .config file with sed [2021-05-24T15:27:40Z] tl;dr [2021-05-24T15:27:46Z] make a directory called files [2021-05-24T15:27:55Z] stick whatever you want to include in the build under that directory [2021-05-24T15:28:01Z] Yeah I tried names like config configs patches seemed to work with .patch files before [2021-05-24T15:28:04Z] like "kubastconfig" or something [2021-05-24T15:28:14Z] it just doesn't copy it is contents nor a folder itself into build dir [2021-05-24T15:28:21Z] so idk where it exactly is atm [2021-05-24T15:28:21Z] then include files/kubastconfig in the sources file [2021-05-24T15:28:27Z] generate a checksum [2021-05-24T15:28:33Z] yeah right [2021-05-24T15:28:36Z] and then you'll be able to manipulate that file inside your build file [2021-05-24T15:28:44Z] so you might 'mv kubastconfig .config' [2021-05-24T15:28:51Z] yeah I didn't add the file to sources [2021-05-24T15:28:55Z] that's why [2021-05-24T15:29:04Z] you want something like this? https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/tree/kde/core/linux [2021-05-24T15:29:19Z] >KISS-me [2021-05-24T15:29:22Z] :thinking: [2021-05-24T15:29:29Z] pretty buch [2021-05-24T15:30:51Z] dilyn: The commit on April 1st makes me thinking... [2021-05-24T15:31:05Z] I never trust stuff on the internet from april 1st. [2021-05-24T15:31:24Z] the twist is that the only day I can be trusted is april first [2021-05-24T15:31:54Z] I haven't cared about april first since second grade [2021-05-24T15:32:04Z] i actively despise it [2021-05-24T15:32:12Z] it's so fucking lame [2021-05-24T15:32:13Z] do you think my text files are a joke claudia :'( [2021-05-24T15:32:18Z] your face is a joke [2021-05-24T15:32:25Z] rude [2021-05-24T15:32:34Z] u kno it bby [2021-05-24T15:32:58Z] No. You are are trustworthy source. [2021-05-24T15:34:00Z] But when you dont pay attention, boom, people sell you the secret vodoo 8000 and you think its real. [2021-05-24T15:34:16Z] Or the arch installer from April 1st. Which actually was not a joke [2021-05-24T15:34:24Z] aws quit: Quit: aws [2021-05-24T15:35:37Z] aws joined [2021-05-24T15:36:55Z] I am overly trusting and april fools bamboozle me every time :( [2021-05-24T15:37:15Z] This guy releases 1 video per year on april 1st. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmCEXbspWuI [2021-05-24T15:37:19Z] mcpcpc-hkp joined [2021-05-24T15:40:16Z] i love that guy lmao [2021-05-24T15:45:16Z] note to self [2021-05-24T15:45:21Z] bamboozle dilyn next year [2021-05-24T15:45:41Z] https://github.com/joshiemoore/snakeware [2021-05-24T15:45:59Z] ... [2021-05-24T15:45:59Z] hell yeah now that's a fun project [2021-05-24T15:46:03Z] i think I just had a stroke [2021-05-24T15:46:18Z] >We do not use X11; snakewm draws directly to /dev/fb0. [2021-05-24T15:46:20Z] wat [2021-05-24T15:46:30Z] absoultely DESGUSTANG [2021-05-24T15:46:33Z] fdjlksn fguiasdbgibaserif das [2021-05-24T15:46:43Z] also, [2021-05-24T15:46:49Z] *reimplements x11 in python* [2021-05-24T15:46:50Z] imagine telling people to use dd to write a bootable image [2021-05-24T15:46:58Z] maximum cringe [2021-05-24T15:47:01Z] what would you use? [2021-05-24T15:47:10Z] cat. [2021-05-24T15:47:12Z] magnetized needles [2021-05-24T15:47:15Z] unironically. [2021-05-24T15:47:18Z] wht [2021-05-24T15:47:28Z] what do you think dd even does? [2021-05-24T15:47:37Z] reads from a file and prints to a destination. [2021-05-24T15:47:42Z] cat file.iso >> /dev/sdx [2021-05-24T15:47:46Z] same thing, but faster [2021-05-24T15:47:52Z] ...well [2021-05-24T15:47:55Z] technically it should be > [2021-05-24T15:48:00Z] to overwrite existing contents [2021-05-24T15:48:20Z] dd let's you customize block size and count and stugf [2021-05-24T15:48:24Z] sure [2021-05-24T15:48:42Z] but it's not the fastest tool for the job of dumping a file to a disk raw [2021-05-24T15:48:44Z] also on gnu systems, progress monitoring [2021-05-24T15:48:53Z] progress monitoring is for chumps [2021-05-24T15:49:04Z] cat file.iso > /dev/sdx ; aplay /dev/random [2021-05-24T15:49:46Z]