2021-05-09T00:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. well, if it's marked bootable and the bootcode for grub is in place, it would be working... my only suggestion is to try again
2021-05-09T00:00:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I find grub is usually more hassle than it's worth, anyway
2021-05-09T00:00:17 #kisslinux <ocean_man> What do you use?
2021-05-09T00:00:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> extlinux
2021-05-09T00:00:53 #kisslinux <ocean_man> hmm I will look into it
2021-05-09T00:00:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's slightly more manual to install than grub, but like
2021-05-09T00:01:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's so much easier to use
2021-05-09T00:04:59 #kisslinux <ocean_man> I normally do not have an issue installing grub, and I did everything right. I also tried multiple times. only god knows whats wrong.
2021-05-09T00:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> only RMS*
2021-05-09T00:06:59 #kisslinux <ocean_man> *only Terry davis
2021-05-09T00:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> terry wouldn't be caught dead installing a distro that doesn't have an ISO
2021-05-09T00:08:23 #kisslinux <ocean_man> haha
2021-05-09T00:09:16 #kisslinux <ocean_man> my fricking live usb won't even boot now. maybe this has to do with corrupt hardware on my system.
2021-05-09T00:10:18 #kisslinux <ocean_man> oops and now its spewing SQUASHFS errors. something Is very wrong. my drive might be fricked.
2021-05-09T00:10:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd try reimaging first
2021-05-09T00:10:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> disk drives tend to last a while if treated properly
2021-05-09T00:12:13 #kisslinux <ocean_man> I have a strong feeling this has to do with my memory. I overclocked it recently and its been acting weird since. Ill probably dial it back and try again.
2021-05-09T00:12:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. maybe, would be weird though
2021-05-09T00:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again I've seen some weird shit
2021-05-09T00:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I never really got the appeal of overclocking memory
2021-05-09T00:13:04 #kisslinux <acheam> lol we don't go a day without mid trashing on grub in favor of extlinux
2021-05-09T00:13:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> was always more into timings
2021-05-09T00:13:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> did I mention my bayonet acheam
2021-05-09T00:13:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> or my toughbook
2021-05-09T00:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> or that apple bad
2021-05-09T00:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-09T00:13:26 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I almost forgot about it
2021-05-09T00:13:47 #kisslinux <ocean_man> this was budget memory that was thrown to 3000 MHz from 2133. Hynix M running at 1.5 volts.
2021-05-09T00:13:58 #kisslinux <acheam> anyhow, I tried installing kiss on another computer today and got the same goddamn cannot mount root fs kernel panic
2021-05-09T00:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> hynix usually makes good stuff all things considered
2021-05-09T00:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got 32GB of... i think it's 2133mhz
2021-05-09T00:14:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-05-09T00:15:02 #kisslinux <ocean_man> 64 gigs supposed to be running at 2133, I bought my PC in 2017 and my 1080ti is worth more than what I paid for it
2021-05-09T00:15:03 #kisslinux <acheam> kernel parameters are set correctly, fstab is right, kernel is compiled with filesystem (XFS) support and is using the sd driver and printing out its UUID on boot, and the drive is just a run of the mill, standard, 250gb SATA ssd
2021-05-09T00:15:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy fucking based batman
2021-05-09T00:15:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you finally done with using ext
2021-05-09T00:15:28 #kisslinux <acheam> would try with a make allyesconfig, but it fails to compile
2021-05-09T00:15:57 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: ext as in extlinux or ext2/3/4 ?
2021-05-09T00:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> extfs 5hed
2021-05-09T00:16:15 #kisslinux <acheam> have also tried with both UUID and /dev/sd* and neither works
2021-05-09T00:16:31 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: I never really used extfs
2021-05-09T00:16:56 #kisslinux <acheam> extlinux is installed fine as it responds to config file changes and stuff
2021-05-09T00:17:19 #kisslinux <acheam> partition layout is 1 8gb swap, and 1 250gb XFS bootable partition on MBR
2021-05-09T00:18:03 #kisslinux * midfavila does a big shrug
2021-05-09T00:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> can I just never get this right?
2021-05-09T00:19:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> existential crisis time
2021-05-09T00:19:27 #kisslinux <acheam> is KISS too hard for me? I mean, I have a 1/3 success rate at this point
2021-05-09T00:19:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you
2021-05-09T00:19:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> in reality
2021-05-09T00:19:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> just an ubuntu user
2021-05-09T00:19:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> desperately running from the truth?
2021-05-09T00:19:50 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh i'm typing this from arch
2021-05-09T00:19:52 #kisslinux <acheam> so... yes
2021-05-09T00:19:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically ubuntu
2021-05-09T00:19:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway
2021-05-09T00:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the answer is no
2021-05-09T00:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop being a fucking idiot
2021-05-09T00:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just made a mistake
2021-05-09T00:20:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> try again
2021-05-09T00:20:16 #kisslinux <acheam> oi thats what i've been doing for the last 4 hours
2021-05-09T00:20:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i do need to use this machine though
2021-05-09T00:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you considered zeroing the first 512 bytes or whatever on your disk
2021-05-09T00:20:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then re-installing ext's firmware or w/e
2021-05-09T00:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> or maybe checking kernel param
2021-05-09T00:20:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> params*
2021-05-09T00:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk
2021-05-09T00:21:08 #kisslinux <acheam> kernel param is fine, its just "root=/dev/sda2"
2021-05-09T00:21:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the bootloader isn't fucked and the partition isn't fucked, and they're both on the same disk, it should be working
2021-05-09T00:21:21 #kisslinux <acheam> and I tried "root=UUID="iaehfoiheawoifhioqhoiho32hi""
2021-05-09T00:21:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless you compiled the fs as a module
2021-05-09T00:21:27 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't
2021-05-09T00:21:31 #kisslinux <acheam> no modules in my config
2021-05-09T00:21:35 #kisslinux <acheam> XFS_ENABLED=y
2021-05-09T00:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> very based, I approve
2021-05-09T00:21:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> the module subsystem is bloat anyway
2021-05-09T00:22:12 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't see why reinstalling extlinux would do anything given that extlinux works fine
2021-05-09T00:22:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man I"m just throwing shit out there
2021-05-09T00:22:34 #kisslinux <acheam> i appreciate it
2021-05-09T00:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> if what you're saying is true then there's no reason it shouldn't be booting
2021-05-09T00:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> you calling me a lier, huh mid?
2021-05-09T00:23:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would never call someone a lier
2021-05-09T00:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> a liar, perhaps
2021-05-09T00:23:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but never a lier
2021-05-09T00:23:21 #kisslinux <acheam> what about a lyre?
2021-05-09T00:23:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you do not appear to be an instrument
2021-05-09T00:23:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I suppose that with enough surgical expertise anything is possible
2021-05-09T00:24:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I am a classics student though, so perhaps my years of reading about the lyre has turned me into one
2021-05-09T00:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think that's how that works
2021-05-09T00:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm not sure
2021-05-09T00:24:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> paging dilyn
2021-05-09T00:25:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need your big feelosophy brain for this
2021-05-09T00:25:05 #kisslinux <acheam> would you not agree that you are slowly turning into ANSI C after having read K&R?
2021-05-09T00:25:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> joke's on you
2021-05-09T00:25:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i haven't read K&R
2021-05-09T00:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> :gasp:
2021-05-09T00:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i simply sit around feeling like a dumbass for not knowing how to program
2021-05-09T00:25:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then I sit in bed and cry and fall asleep
2021-05-09T00:25:48 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-05-09T00:25:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> real depression hours
2021-05-09T00:26:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now though I'm fighting with iwd
2021-05-09T00:26:12 #kisslinux <acheam> should I use markdown for this readme, that is the question
2021-05-09T00:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-05-09T00:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should use plaintext
2021-05-09T00:26:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> 80 wide
2021-05-09T00:26:24 #kisslinux <acheam> but muh big headings
2021-05-09T00:26:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck off
2021-05-09T00:26:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody reads your readme in the browser
2021-05-09T00:26:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-05-09T00:26:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> only with less(1)
2021-05-09T00:26:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> or more(1)
2021-05-09T00:26:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> or most(1)
2021-05-09T00:26:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> or pg(1)
2021-05-09T00:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> or cat(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> (1)
2021-05-09T00:27:10 #kisslinux <acheam> least(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> w3m(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> vim(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> vi(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ed(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> most(1)
2021-05-09T00:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-05-09T00:27:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oi you already said most
2021-05-09T00:27:35 #kisslinux <ocean_man> sometimes linux feels like an emacs boatload.
2021-05-09T00:27:39 #kisslinux <ocean_man> bootloader
2021-05-09T00:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he uses emacs
2021-05-09T00:27:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally install opengenera right fucking now
2021-05-09T00:27:55 #kisslinux * acheam closes the 2 emacs panes next to his IRC client
2021-05-09T00:28:04 #kisslinux * midfavila slowly sheathes bayonet
2021-05-09T00:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> you live for today, acheam
2021-05-09T00:28:18 #kisslinux <acheam> thank you good sir
2021-05-09T00:28:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you have successfully done the needful
2021-05-09T00:28:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> this time
2021-05-09T00:29:42 #kisslinux <ocean_man> I am planning to switch from emacs to something less sucky
2021-05-09T00:29:50 #kisslinux <ocean_man> but its just part of workflow
2021-05-09T00:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> im already too deep into emacs
2021-05-09T00:30:06 #kisslinux <acheam> to quit
2021-05-09T00:30:13 #kisslinux <acheam> my whole system config is just an org file
2021-05-09T00:30:23 #kisslinux <acheam> my email, news, etc, are all in emacs
2021-05-09T00:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're sending you to emacs anonymous
2021-05-09T00:30:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's time for an intervention
2021-05-09T00:30:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is ruining your life
2021-05-09T00:30:45 #kisslinux <ocean_man> same, everything I need is just there
2021-05-09T00:30:55 #kisslinux <ocean_man> and it would take too much time to switch
2021-05-09T00:31:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like I would like emacs if it didn't have all this stupid shit as part of the core
2021-05-09T00:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, why is there three calculators in the default install
2021-05-09T00:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and why can't I remove them
2021-05-09T00:31:40 #kisslinux <ocean_man> there's even snake
2021-05-09T00:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> mandatory tetris
2021-05-09T00:31:55 #kisslinux <ocean_man> yes
2021-05-09T00:32:10 #kisslinux <ocean_man> "do you play COD" "no I play EMACS"
2021-05-09T00:32:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "what's that, like an RPG or-" "text editor. can't talk. too busy lisping."
2021-05-09T00:33:30 #kisslinux <ocean_man> lisp is nice, bc it is functional. I wish functional programming was a bigger thing.
2021-05-09T00:33:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to learn common lisp at some point
2021-05-09T00:33:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only know the basics of scheme
2021-05-09T00:34:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> still gotta finish my copy of sicp
2021-05-09T00:34:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are so many fucking books that I need to read, ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH
2021-05-09T01:17:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=EZMA3Ge144U
2021-05-09T03:26:17 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe scdoc generated manpages say " Complete documentation for this program is not available as a GNU info page"
2021-05-09T03:26:21 #kisslinux <acheam> as a comment
2021-05-09T03:47:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i always add that to the end of my manpages as well :^))
2021-05-09T03:57:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-05-09T04:05:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://git.k1sslinux.org/repo/commit/0cda243d535f11e7c26b9182bc63e425deb5ba45.html
2021-05-09T04:07:14 #kisslinux <acheam> 🎉
2021-05-09T04:07:26 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-05-09T04:30:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> my plumbing script is starting to grow out of control
2021-05-09T04:30:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2021-05-09T04:31:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost a hundred lines at this point and growing
2021-05-09T04:58:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, semi-related
2021-05-09T04:58:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use tabs *and* spaces to indent your programs, you're a bad person
2021-05-09T04:59:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop it
2021-05-09T05:00:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]>  Mix 2, 4 and 8 space tabs along with spaces
2021-05-09T05:00:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm going to bust your kneecaps
2021-05-09T05:00:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> in minecraft
2021-05-09T05:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i swear to god
2021-05-09T05:02:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah I'm tinkering with axel's source code to remove some of the status messages (they're kind of annoying) and the code is so messy
2021-05-09T05:05:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I have more experience, I should replace it. blech.
2021-05-09T09:44:44 #kisslinux <yabobay> hii
2021-05-09T09:46:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-05-09T12:24:47 #kisslinux <whichdriverdoius> I am building my gpu driver into the kernel, but I want to know which ones I build in
2021-05-09T12:25:00 #kisslinux <whichdriverdoius> I know amdgpu/navi10
2021-05-09T12:25:39 #kisslinux <whichdriverdoius> But there are 10+ navi10 .bin files in /usr/lib/firmware/amdgpu
2021-05-09T12:26:08 #kisslinux <whichdriverdoius> How do I know which one to use?
2021-05-09T12:41:16 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe don't disconnect 3 min after?
2021-05-09T12:41:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I do find this guys nicks pretty funny this is like the fifth different one
2021-05-09T12:42:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its the same person?
2021-05-09T12:43:29 #kisslinux <acheam> uh I assume so
2021-05-09T12:44:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't bothered to check but theyrr the only person ive ever seen do that with their nick, and the issues are progressive/sequential
2021-05-09T12:44:31 #kisslinux <acheam> but maybe its  common thing and I just didn't know about it
2021-05-09T15:31:23 #kisslinux <janko> I've found very conflicting information when researching the differences between Gentoo and KISS. Should I try KISS if I have no prior experience with source-based distributions?
2021-05-09T15:33:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can always learn, and It'll probably be much easier to understand than gentoo
2021-05-09T15:34:04 #kisslinux <acheam> the main difference is how kiss packages software, it can take just 2 minutes to package a new piece of software for KISS
2021-05-09T15:34:23 #kisslinux <acheam> do you have any specific questions?
2021-05-09T15:34:59 #kisslinux <acheam> Most people using kiss have no prior source-based experience. Theres not that much too it, except maybe the kernel/bootloader config
2021-05-09T15:39:03 #kisslinux <janko> Thanks. Since yesterday I've been trying to custom-compile Linux-libre on a binary distribution, even with defconfig I had no luck. Who knows what I'm messing up. Wondered if it would be any different, especially since Gentoo has genkernel, I fear that I'd have the identical issue on KISS
2021-05-09T15:40:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i've heard the way to go is to start heavy, and then disable things you don't need
2021-05-09T15:40:29 #kisslinux <acheam> but i'm not super experiecned in it
2021-05-09T15:41:17 #kisslinux <acheam> nothing stopping you from using genkernel AFAIK
2021-05-09T15:41:21 #kisslinux <acheam> you just need to build bash first
2021-05-09T17:46:22 #kisslinux <janko> libressl gets to like 33% downloaded and just fails to download
2021-05-09T18:00:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't reproduce
2021-05-09T18:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> janko
2021-05-09T18:00:58 #kisslinux <acheam> is it just libressl that does that?
2021-05-09T18:01:16 #kisslinux <acheam> you could find a mirror of the source code maybe
2021-05-09T18:53:39 #kisslinux <root> dkf
2021-05-09T18:53:41 #kisslinux <root> flf
2021-05-09T18:53:55 #kisslinux <root> ld
2021-05-09T18:53:57 #kisslinux <root> clear
2021-05-09T18:53:58 #kisslinux <root> cls
2021-05-09T18:54:09 #kisslinux <Guest5661> hello
2021-05-09T19:32:57 #kisslinux <zenomat> why the fuck wont my pinebook recognize my emmc module?! i already sacrificed some of my blook (i cut my finger on it while opening it up...)
2021-05-09T20:30:43 #kisslinux <jedavies> zenomat: what error are you getting? Won't boot, or can't even see the module when booting from an SD card?
2021-05-09T20:31:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> wouldnt boot, disabled the emmc module with hardware switch, booted to sd, enabled it, tried the commenads on the wiki to detect the change, but it isnt recognized
2021-05-09T20:32:44 #kisslinux <zenomat> like, i tried to install kiss, formated the emmc, installed the rootfs, but forgot to write the uboot files, rebooted and it wouldnt come up, not even the led
2021-05-09T20:35:19 #kisslinux <zenomat> when I tried the commands, (those https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php/Pinebook_Pro#eMMC_information), it gave me the eroor: 'bash: echo: no such device'
2021-05-09T20:41:11 #kisslinux <jedavies> Can you boot from the sd card without disabling the eMMC?
2021-05-09T20:41:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> nope. when I do that, nothing happens, not even the led
2021-05-09T20:47:25 #kisslinux <jedavies> You have the serial adapter? That can be useful to see what's happening in the boot process
2021-05-09T20:47:44 #kisslinux <jedavies> Also I need to create a flashable image. That would make things easier to get going
2021-05-09T20:48:28 #kisslinux <zenomat> does the serial adapter ship with the pinebook? if no, then I dont have one
2021-05-09T20:49:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> and if I wouldnt have been an idiot and rebooted without bootloader files, this wouldne be a problem^^
2021-05-09T20:52:35 #kisslinux <jedavies> No it doesn't ship with the pbp by default unfortunately. Would be good if they did though, since it's very useful as you can't see the screen until the kernel loads. The emmc usb adapter is also very useful.
2021-05-09T20:53:34 #kisslinux <zenomat> i have been thinking about the eemc adapter. would i be able to write to the emmc with that? like write the missing uboot files to the chip?
2021-05-09T20:54:20 #kisslinux <zenomat> *emmc
2021-05-09T20:55:21 #kisslinux <jedavies> Yes, you attach the emmc module to the adapter then you can treat it like a normal usb storage device, use dd etc.
2021-05-09T20:56:06 #kisslinux <zenomat> hmm, maybe I will get that then. I hope I dont have to pay customs fees again. something like 50 euro for a 5 euro device is a bit much...
2021-05-09T20:56:25 #kisslinux <zenomat> tho I posted my question on the forum, I will se if something comes around on there
2021-05-09T20:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> only semi-related but man
2021-05-09T20:57:07 #kisslinux <acheam> > only semi-related
2021-05-09T20:57:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> any device that has an SD reader but no option to boot from it in BIOS is so missing out
2021-05-09T20:57:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu acheam I didn't ask you >:c
2021-05-09T20:57:19 #kisslinux <acheam> that might be the closest to on topic mid has ever gotten!!!
2021-05-09T20:57:40 #kisslinux <acheam> whats so good about booting from SD?
2021-05-09T20:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> convenient
2021-05-09T20:57:50 #kisslinux <acheam> although it does seem wasteful not to have it as an option
2021-05-09T20:57:56 #kisslinux <acheam> slow?
2021-05-09T20:57:57 #kisslinux <zenomat> easily switchable
2021-05-09T20:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> SD cards are cheaper and easier to carry en mass than USBs
2021-05-09T20:58:03 #kisslinux <zenomat> dont take up much space
2021-05-09T20:58:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and uh
2021-05-09T20:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> the "slow" factor is largely a meme
2021-05-09T20:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, one
2021-05-09T20:58:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> get a high speed card
2021-05-09T20:58:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> two
2021-05-09T20:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop reading large contiguous chunks of data from it
2021-05-09T20:58:37 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh
2021-05-09T20:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> you shall not direct how I use my computer
2021-05-09T20:58:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-05-09T20:58:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but don't complain when it takes an hour and a half to copy 30GB of data to your SD card
2021-05-09T20:59:12 #kisslinux <acheam> i sure as hell will do that
2021-05-09T20:59:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> then stop using SD cards
2021-05-09T20:59:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> uwu
2021-05-09T20:59:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> alternatively
2021-05-09T20:59:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> attach multiple SD cards and put them in RAID 0
2021-05-09T20:59:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how about no?
2021-05-09T21:00:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> how about yes
2021-05-09T21:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know that you want that sick 90mbps transfer rate, acheam
2021-05-09T21:00:48 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll just use my ssd please and no thank you
2021-05-09T21:00:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though SD cards are great for mass storage
2021-05-09T21:01:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use mine for archiving books
2021-05-09T21:01:09 #kisslinux <acheam> also on another semi-related note
2021-05-09T21:01:12 #kisslinux <acheam> motif is pretty cool
2021-05-09T21:01:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> motif is very cool
2021-05-09T21:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also very old
2021-05-09T21:01:24 #kisslinux <jedavies> zenomat: if you flash another image to the emmc, e.g. the manjaro pbp image, does that boot?
2021-05-09T21:01:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and very painful to set up
2021-05-09T21:01:29 #kisslinux <acheam> well I switched from xaw so....
2021-05-09T21:01:35 #kisslinux <acheam> its kind of like xaw++
2021-05-09T21:01:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, that's kind of the point
2021-05-09T21:01:57 #kisslinux <acheam> well it works well and is decently lightweight
2021-05-09T21:02:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only problem is that it still doesn't support TTF
2021-05-09T21:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it did, I'd probably be using CDE
2021-05-09T21:02:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, CDE is so hot
2021-05-09T21:02:14 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah thats annoying
2021-05-09T21:02:18 #kisslinux <acheam> i do see that complaint a lot
2021-05-09T21:02:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> jedavies: it isnt recognized, so I cant write to it. or is there something I am missing?
2021-05-09T21:02:44 #kisslinux <acheam> my simple motif program is just 49k
2021-05-09T21:02:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtf
2021-05-09T21:02:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> my site is down
2021-05-09T21:03:02 #kisslinux <acheam> sue sdf
2021-05-09T21:03:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah it's whatever
2021-05-09T21:03:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> they usually do monthly maintenance
2021-05-09T21:03:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it'd be nice if they sent out mail
2021-05-09T21:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> okay now imagine this
2021-05-09T21:03:40 #kisslinux <acheam> *never having to deal with this again becuse /you/ decide when system maintenince happens*
2021-05-09T21:03:55 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome to the world of self hosting
2021-05-09T21:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> (you)
2021-05-09T21:04:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the problem with self-hosting is that I have to like
2021-05-09T21:04:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> pay for a domain and shit
2021-05-09T21:04:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm cheap
2021-05-09T21:04:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> no way am I doing that
2021-05-09T21:04:24 #kisslinux <acheam> you can use duckdns or something
2021-05-09T21:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> but not sure that works for email and stuff
2021-05-09T21:04:47 #kisslinux <acheam> a domain is $8/yr, not *that* bad
2021-05-09T21:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/dtwm.gif
2021-05-09T21:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> hhh
2021-05-09T21:05:31 #kisslinux <acheam> cde?
2021-05-09T21:05:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know it
2021-05-09T21:05:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> CDE still has a better user experience than any modern GUI
2021-05-09T21:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> change my goddamn mind
2021-05-09T21:05:58 #kisslinux <acheam> "Introducing the Desktop"
2021-05-09T21:05:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even Aqua is as tightly integrated
2021-05-09T21:06:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly,
2021-05-09T21:06:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I could get a nice, high-quality bitmap font
2021-05-09T21:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> and there were still programs written using motif
2021-05-09T21:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd probably be using it
2021-05-09T21:06:55 #kisslinux <acheam> write your own programs in motif
2021-05-09T21:06:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its actually pretty fun
2021-05-09T21:07:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't want to think about programming today
2021-05-09T21:07:14 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-09T21:07:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i spent this morning reading about H.264 and now I'm depressed
2021-05-09T21:07:39 #kisslinux <acheam> well
2021-05-09T21:07:41 #kisslinux <acheam> thats on you
2021-05-09T21:07:45 #kisslinux <acheam> but if you do ever want to learn motif
2021-05-09T21:07:46 #kisslinux <acheam> http://www.ist.co.uk/motif/books/vol6A/
2021-05-09T21:07:55 #kisslinux <acheam> is a very good book
2021-05-09T21:08:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I probably should learn motif as opposed to xaw
2021-05-09T21:08:08 #kisslinux <acheam> you know its good because its copryight 2002
2021-05-09T21:08:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering that there's basically no fucking docs for xaw
2021-05-09T21:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> there aren't much for motif either
2021-05-09T21:08:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but that book has tons of examples and stuff in it
2021-05-09T21:08:41 #kisslinux <acheam> its great
2021-05-09T21:08:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been thinking a lot about docs recently
2021-05-09T21:08:48 #kisslinux <acheam> what about them?
2021-05-09T21:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> they suck
2021-05-09T21:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-05-09T21:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> almost all of them
2021-05-09T21:08:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-05-09T21:09:02 #kisslinux <acheam> how can they be improved?
2021-05-09T21:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's barely any actually *useful* documentation on the net
2021-05-09T21:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and in my opinion
2021-05-09T21:09:13 #kisslinux <jedavies> zenomat: so when you boot from the sdcard, doing "fdisk /dev/mmcblk1" fails? Or can you see the partitions etc?  What do you see when you do "ls -la /dev/mmcblk*" ?
2021-05-09T21:09:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> we can start with grammar
2021-05-09T21:09:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and we can also improve in regards to illustrating *general concepts*, instead of *specific methods*
2021-05-09T21:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example
2021-05-09T21:09:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of teaching someone about apt, or rpm, or kiss, or slpkg, or pkgtools
2021-05-09T21:10:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> just teach them the concepts of package management
2021-05-09T21:10:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that they actually *understand*
2021-05-09T21:10:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> as opposed to just knowing what buttons to hit to do stuff
2021-05-09T21:10:51 #kisslinux <zenomat> jedavies: when I boot to the sd, reenable the emmc with the hardware switch, try the commands to detect the change from the wiki, I get an error 'No such device' and can only see my partitions on the sd. tried with lsblk, ls -al /dev/mmcblk*
2021-05-09T21:11:00 #kisslinux <acheam>  i think its best to teach someone the concepts via practical examples
2021-05-09T21:11:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> for sure
2021-05-09T21:11:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> so I do not even see the emmc module
2021-05-09T21:11:08 #kisslinux <acheam> so in this case, via apt, or rpm, or kiss, etc
2021-05-09T21:11:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like, for me at least
2021-05-09T21:11:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to see more projects like LFS
2021-05-09T21:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i learned a lot from LFS when it comes to tinkering with low-level elements of a system
2021-05-09T21:11:57 #kisslinux <acheam> an LFS-like thing for what? Like xyz software from scratch?
2021-05-09T21:12:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, that too
2021-05-09T21:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I mean just in the way it's presented
2021-05-09T21:12:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> LFS is very...
2021-05-09T21:12:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i guess digestible
2021-05-09T21:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't hold your hand, but it also doesn't throw you off a cliff and scream "fly, bitch!"
2021-05-09T21:13:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> takes you through, explains what each package is for, why it's needed, gives you further reading material, etc, without trying to dumb stuff down
2021-05-09T21:13:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it doesn't throw so much technical jargon at you that it's impossible to understand
2021-05-09T21:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want an example of *that*, go read any wikpedia entry about mathematics
2021-05-09T21:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> they describe it like it's witchcraft
2021-05-09T21:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> articles on the other sciences aren't nearly as bad, so I dunno what's up with that
2021-05-09T21:15:03 #kisslinux <acheam> because the math articles are written by mathemeticians for mathemeticians
2021-05-09T21:15:11 #kisslinux <acheam> try simple.wikipeida.org instead of en.wikipedia.org
2021-05-09T21:15:27 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how good their math section is
2021-05-09T21:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring the problem with specifically wikipedia,
2021-05-09T21:16:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you get my point, right?
2021-05-09T21:16:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-05-09T21:16:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's impossible to find high-quality material for beginners
2021-05-09T21:16:44 #kisslinux <acheam> books are usually good
2021-05-09T21:17:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but think of it this way
2021-05-09T21:17:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> how would you find those books if you want to learn a new topic but have zero knowledge about it
2021-05-09T21:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm talking ground zero
2021-05-09T21:17:31 #kisslinux <acheam> search the web for discussoin board about it, ask an irc channel, etc
2021-05-09T21:17:38 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-05-09T21:17:49 #kisslinux <acheam> "whats a good book on xyz" is a very frequent question online
2021-05-09T21:18:02 #kisslinux <acheam> but it has to be asked to real humans
2021-05-09T21:18:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> "go google it"
2021-05-09T21:19:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you packaged motif for kiss, acheam?
2021-05-09T21:19:37 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-05-09T21:19:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hrm
2021-05-09T21:19:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'll try that today
2021-05-09T21:19:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't have a kiss system with xorg right now
2021-05-09T21:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of doing what I should be doing, which is learning roff...
2021-05-09T21:20:03 #kisslinux <acheam> no!
2021-05-09T21:20:04 #kisslinux <acheam> learn motif
2021-05-09T21:20:08 #kisslinux <acheam> gui > text
2021-05-09T21:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't use motif to typeset a resume
2021-05-09T21:20:15 #kisslinux <acheam> and within text
2021-05-09T21:20:22 #kisslinux <acheam> everything else > roff
2021-05-09T21:20:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not willing to package latex
2021-05-09T21:20:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs again
2021-05-09T21:20:37 #kisslinux <acheam> you probably shouldn't be using roff for that either
2021-05-09T21:20:39 #kisslinux <acheam> you can use miktex
2021-05-09T21:20:45 #kisslinux <acheam> which phoebos[m] has packaged
2021-05-09T21:21:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> their repo on github, or what?
2021-05-09T21:22:21 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/aabacchus/miktex-kiss-repo
2021-05-09T21:22:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks
2021-05-09T21:23:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I should really patch some of the suckless core utils...
2021-05-09T21:23:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> rm in particular is missing status reports
2021-05-09T21:24:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> eugh
2021-05-09T21:24:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that dependency listing though
2021-05-09T21:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> aaand the boost package is broken...
2021-05-09T21:25:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyone else getting a 403 from it?
2021-05-09T21:26:09 #kisslinux <jedavies> zenomat: ok, I just recreated what you're seeing on my pbp.
2021-05-09T21:26:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> huh? how did you do that?
2021-05-09T21:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> presumably by fucking around and finding out
2021-05-09T21:27:57 #kisslinux <jedavies> I tried booting onto an sdcard with the emmc disabled. When I enabled the emmc I could not see the drive, same as you.
2021-05-09T21:28:18 #kisslinux <zenomat> ah alright, was confused for a sec
2021-05-09T21:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> the pbp is ARM right?
2021-05-09T21:28:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes
2021-05-09T21:28:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> nifty
2021-05-09T21:28:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't mind getting an ARM laptop for tinkering with
2021-05-09T21:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably an MNT Reform, if I had the cash...
2021-05-09T21:28:59 #kisslinux <zenomat> honstly, the pinebook pro is such a good deal
2021-05-09T21:29:01 #kisslinux <jedavies> But I managed to get it to become visible - you have to enable the emmc before the kernel loads. So: power on the device with emmc disabled, then within a second if you enable emmc then it shows up when the sdcard OS boots
2021-05-09T21:29:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the PBP does seem like a very nice laptop, especially for the price
2021-05-09T21:29:36 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tried to do that, but I guess I didnt get the timing right
2021-05-09T21:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it can't offer what the reform does, which is the ability to literally just slap shit in there
2021-05-09T21:29:43 #kisslinux <jedavies> midfavila: yeah the pbp is definitely not perfect, but so cheap compared to the others
2021-05-09T21:30:03 #kisslinux <zenomat> i guess I will try again
2021-05-09T21:30:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I get a reform I fully intend to build a custom keyboard with integrated trackpoint for it
2021-05-09T21:30:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> and maybe attempt to wire up an e-ink panel for the display
2021-05-09T21:30:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> pure sex
2021-05-09T21:30:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not impressed that they cut full-size SATA though
2021-05-09T21:31:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://mntre.com/media/reform_v2_images/reform_v2_doing_business.jpg
2021-05-09T21:32:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like a retro-futurist interpretation of a thinkpad
2021-05-09T21:39:03 #kisslinux <zenomat> jedavies: alright. got it to show up. thanks for your help. timing firends, timing
2021-05-09T22:27:35 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hi guys
2021-05-09T22:27:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> There any cron for kiss?
2021-05-09T22:28:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you looked
2021-05-09T22:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I can think of at least like four off the top of my head
2021-05-09T22:32:14 #kisslinux <kqz> i'll second that latex much better for doing resumes
2021-05-09T22:32:24 #kisslinux <kqz> also thanks phoebos[m] for that repo btw, made my life a lot easier
2021-05-09T22:37:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> kqz: oh cool, did it work ok?
2021-05-09T22:37:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> still meaning to, ahem, clean it up a bit
2021-05-09T22:37:26 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> but I prefer it to texlive
2021-05-09T22:39:09 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah most of the deps built fine, had to make some changes for wyverkiss and temporarilly pull bison in to get miktex built
2021-05-09T22:39:13 #kisslinux <kqz> but off and running so far without issues
2021-05-09T22:42:22 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> it has many deps :/
2021-05-09T22:42:54 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah, atleast it beats texlive lol
2021-05-09T22:43:03 #kisslinux <kqz> and way better than building someone like libreoffice
2021-05-09T22:43:44 #kisslinux <kqz> s/someone/something/g
2021-05-09T22:43:44 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kqz> and way better than building something like libreoffice
2021-05-09T22:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> DO NOT
2021-05-09T22:43:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> UTTER
2021-05-09T22:43:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> THE NAME OF THE CURSED ONE
2021-05-09T22:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> compiling libreoffice gave me PTSD I swear
2021-05-09T22:45:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright, I am off for today. have a good night, evening, day, whatever
2021-05-09T22:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you know of a non-GNU sed implementation that works well with KISS?
2021-05-09T22:58:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the suckless and P9 sed both lack -i
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