2021-04-27T01:21:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> so, turns out, I made a mistake
2021-04-27T01:22:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and forgot that shell arithmetic isn't capable of floating-point operations
2021-04-27T01:22:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> gg
2021-04-27T01:22:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> computers 100
2021-04-27T01:22:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> pipe IO to bc?
2021-04-27T01:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that's what I'm doing
2021-04-27T01:22:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> just about got the revised version working
2021-04-27T01:23:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> should be... slightly better than the earlier monstrosity.
2021-04-27T01:23:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> nice
2021-04-27T01:24:17 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: whatre you trying to do?
2021-04-27T01:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> writing a function in shell to calculate the system's free memory as a percentage
2021-04-27T01:25:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-04-27T01:25:21 #kisslinux <acheam> are you parsing /proc/meminfo?
2021-04-27T01:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-27T01:25:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is using free
2021-04-27T01:25:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> you could always convert out to kB and then calc %?
2021-04-27T01:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> ah so you're just indirectly parsing /proc/meminfo then :)
2021-04-27T01:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, yeah, sure.
2021-04-27T01:25:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> whatever way you want to do it.
2021-04-27T01:26:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's basically already done
2021-04-27T01:26:24 #kisslinux <acheam> using sed for it?
2021-04-27T01:26:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> printf "scale=2;100-$(free -m | sed -e 's/  */ /g' -e '2!d' | cut -d ' ' -f3)/$(free -m | sed -e 's/  */ /g' -e '2!d' | cut -d ' ' -f2)*100"|bc
2021-04-27T01:26:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-27T01:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> extensively
2021-04-27T01:26:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i spent today learning how to script in sed
2021-04-27T01:26:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but mid, you know that you can just use awk!!!!
2021-04-27T01:26:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> uwu
2021-04-27T01:26:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> awk's girth intimidates me
2021-04-27T01:27:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> too much of a unit
2021-04-27T01:28:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's definitely a more efficient way to do this, probably involving procfs
2021-04-27T01:28:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how my last function worked
2021-04-27T01:28:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but this gave me an excuse to tinker with sed
2021-04-27T01:28:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm i'm getting syntax errors
2021-04-27T01:28:51 #kisslinux <acheam> on the line you send
2021-04-27T01:29:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> from the shell or your bc?
2021-04-27T01:29:16 #kisslinux <acheam> bc I believe
2021-04-27T01:29:22 #kisslinux <acheam> "(standard_in) 1: syntax error"
2021-04-27T01:29:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird.
2021-04-27T01:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> works using my bc implementation. are you using GNU bc?
2021-04-27T01:30:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yes let me try with busybox
2021-04-27T01:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> busybox should work
2021-04-27T01:30:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah that fixed it
2021-04-27T01:30:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i believe it's a derivation of the bc I use
2021-04-27T01:31:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm getting an unexpected result though...
2021-04-27T01:31:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> ?
2021-04-27T01:31:26 #kisslinux <acheam> its always 76.00
2021-04-27T01:31:35 #kisslinux <acheam> which isn't correct
2021-04-27T01:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's weird. probably something to do with your implementation of free
2021-04-27T01:31:49 #kisslinux <acheam> its busybox free
2021-04-27T01:31:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't use busybox free
2021-04-27T01:32:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I don't know if it outputs in the same way as procps-ng free
2021-04-27T01:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> it does
2021-04-27T01:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly the same pretty much
2021-04-27T01:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> then it should be working... hmm.
2021-04-27T01:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I have both in front of me
2021-04-27T01:32:53 #kisslinux <acheam> FWIW, this is the same thing in awk
2021-04-27T01:32:55 #kisslinux <acheam> free | awk 'NR==2 {print $4/$2*100 "% free"}'
2021-04-27T01:33:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, awk is cool
2021-04-27T01:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really do need to learn about it
2021-04-27T01:33:56 #kisslinux <acheam> learning the basics isn't that hard
2021-04-27T01:34:00 #kisslinux <acheam> the basics are all that i know
2021-04-27T01:34:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> although uh, just to let you know, that script I posted does work
2021-04-27T01:34:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least on my system
2021-04-27T01:34:08 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm weird
2021-04-27T01:34:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's able to correctly report memory usage under load during a 46-core llvm compile
2021-04-27T01:34:40 #kisslinux <acheam> wow you really just had to flex with the 46 cores
2021-04-27T01:34:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could have gone with 48
2021-04-27T01:34:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you weren't worth my full power
2021-04-27T01:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...yeah, this is tracking the available memory properly... it worked on a GNU system too
2021-04-27T01:36:45 #kisslinux <acheam> how odd
2021-04-27T01:37:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> weird just outputs 100 for me
2021-04-27T01:37:04 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-27T01:37:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOTABUG WONTFIX
2021-04-27T01:37:24 #kisslinux <acheam> on my system, both in a kiss chroot, and on arch, using procps-ng free, busybox free, gnu bc, and busybox bc, it always outputs either 76 or 77
2021-04-27T01:37:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> that makes me think it's something to do with your free implementation
2021-04-27T01:38:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/zb.txt
2021-04-27T01:38:10 #kisslinux <acheam> this is my free output
2021-04-27T01:38:19 #kisslinux <acheam> its the exact same with busybox and procps-ng
2021-04-27T01:38:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm...
2021-04-27T01:38:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I'm not sure
2021-04-27T01:40:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: your awk script works a charm for me fyi
2021-04-27T01:40:32 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-27T01:40:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> so i wonder whats up
2021-04-27T01:40:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> the awk works on my system as well
2021-04-27T01:40:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think it could be my sed...
2021-04-27T01:40:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I have it set to GNU
2021-04-27T01:40:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> im using busybox free and bc
2021-04-27T01:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> fate spun that midfavila's system would work specifically with this script
2021-04-27T01:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it must be bc then
2021-04-27T01:41:20 #kisslinux <acheam> well it does outright break on GNU bc
2021-04-27T01:41:26 #kisslinux <acheam> even in posix mode
2021-04-27T01:41:38 #kisslinux <acheam> so yeah that must be it
2021-04-27T01:42:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> clearly you're just using an inferior bc
2021-04-27T01:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-27T01:43:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I get "error in numeric constant" and then some "syntax error"s
2021-04-27T01:43:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> what bc implementation are you using mid?
2021-04-27T01:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, you know what, it's the scale=2
2021-04-27T01:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's gotta be it
2021-04-27T01:43:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec, I'll post the link to the source
2021-04-27T01:44:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://git.yzena.com/gavin/bc
2021-04-27T01:44:12 #kisslinux <acheam> lol mid found his bc implementation in some rancid corner of the internet
2021-04-27T01:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, actually
2021-04-27T01:44:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> 100% factual
2021-04-27T01:45:05 #kisslinux <acheam> If I remove the scale, I just get 100
2021-04-27T01:45:08 #kisslinux <acheam> every time
2021-04-27T01:45:32 #kisslinux <acheam> well, really 0
2021-04-27T01:45:36 #kisslinux <acheam> if you remove the 100-, and *100
2021-04-27T01:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> 0 makes sense
2021-04-27T01:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the 100-$(whatever) is because the $(whatever) calculates the percentage
2021-04-27T01:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and multiplies it by 100
2021-04-27T01:46:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that it can be dealt with as a whole number
2021-04-27T01:46:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> then subtracts that from 100
2021-04-27T01:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning a scale of at least two is mandatory
2021-04-27T01:47:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> otherwise it can't multiply the floating point number
2021-04-27T01:51:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> could probably just multiply both sides by 100, do stuff, then divide the result by 100...
2021-04-27T03:37:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-27T03:43:59 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-04-27T11:20:33 #kisslinux <tink> is there anyone here who's experienced with laptop screen flickering issues? it's really difficult to find info online, i feel like  i am getting desperate
2021-04-27T11:29:33 #kisslinux <tink> i know this is not the place to ask my question but i really don't know what to do at this point
2021-04-27T11:45:35 #kisslinux <zenomat>   /bar buflist toggle
2021-04-27T11:45:39 #kisslinux <zenomat> fuck
2021-04-27T12:47:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ariadne.space/2021/03/25/lets-build-a-new-service-manager-for-alpine/
2021-04-27T12:48:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> >Our plan is to build a supervision-first service manager that consumes and reacts to events, using declarative unit files similar to systemd, so that administrators who are familiar with systemd can easily learn the new system.
2021-04-27T13:08:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> cringe
2021-04-27T13:08:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> soystemd users should not be catered to
2021-04-27T13:08:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> they should be bullied with extreme prejudice
2021-04-27T13:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they're one of the anti-RMS types. even more reason to disregard their opinion
2021-04-27T13:11:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh i kind of like the effort actually.  of the systemd things, i don't mind the service unit files
2021-04-27T13:11:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> if they're already using openrc
2021-04-27T13:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> why don't they just
2021-04-27T13:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know
2021-04-27T13:11:53 #kisslinux <konimex> hear hear
2021-04-27T13:11:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> start maintaining
2021-04-27T13:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of writing a new service manager
2021-04-27T13:12:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dev is more fun than those lowly maintainers
2021-04-27T13:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, but do they want to be effective, or do they want to be insufferable hipsters
2021-04-27T13:12:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they could be both!
2021-04-27T13:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> not on the same topic
2021-04-27T13:12:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but broadly, yes
2021-04-27T13:13:03 #kisslinux <konimex> also, if the base is s6, it's already solid, they just need to revamp the s6-rc part
2021-04-27T13:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't s6 a bootloader?
2021-04-27T13:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never used it
2021-04-27T13:13:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'll be curious if that's what they end up doing, and if that's why they brought Bercot in
2021-04-27T13:13:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-04-27T13:13:53 #kisslinux <konimex> https://skarnet.org/software/s6/
2021-04-27T13:14:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but regardless, if it ends up being something that transitions people off of systemd then fine with me
2021-04-27T13:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >s6 requires gmake
2021-04-27T13:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-27T13:15:10 #kisslinux <konimex> well daemontools-based systems is always good for me regardless
2021-04-27T13:15:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still think hummingbird and sysmgr are a solid choice. that or the so-called BSD-style sysvinit
2021-04-27T13:15:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> ala CRUX and Slackware
2021-04-27T13:16:34 #kisslinux <konimex> sysmgr has a daemontools-style scripts
2021-04-27T13:16:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do either of them do service dependencies?  like requires/wants?
2021-04-27T13:17:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> sysmgr has a way of handling that
2021-04-27T13:17:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I've never looked into or bothered with it
2021-04-27T13:18:07 #kisslinux <konimex> ominous_anonymou: I personally think it's a bit crude, just like runit's check script before running a service
2021-04-27T13:18:21 #kisslinux <konimex> but instead of sv check, it's sysmgr-depends iirc
2021-04-27T13:18:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-04-27T13:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...hmmmm... on the topic of inits and service managers, I should rewrite my hummingbird scripts to be more like sysvinit
2021-04-27T13:20:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no need to manually bring down and re-initialize interfaces that way
2021-04-27T13:20:32 #kisslinux <konimex> isn't hummingbird a glorified sinit anyway
2021-04-27T13:20:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've heard it compared to sinit, but I've never used sinit
2021-04-27T13:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I can't tell you honestly
2021-04-27T13:21:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr it has a set of three "runlevel" scripts that are run in sequence
2021-04-27T13:21:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the first checks filesystems and mounts disks,
2021-04-27T13:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> the second does housekeeping tasks,
2021-04-27T13:22:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the third will bring up your gettys and invoke scripts under /etc/hummingbird.d if their name matches *.boot
2021-04-27T13:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and... that's it.
2021-04-27T13:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use hummingbird to fire off one-time commands like initial clock sync, my service manager, interface configuration, etc, and then sysmgr handles my display manager, ssh, cron, w/e
2021-04-27T13:23:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty comfy
2021-04-27T13:23:28 #kisslinux <konimex> so, two stage1 scripts and one stage2 script? since there's no standardized way of creating a "service" I feel like a "hummingbird runlevel" can basically be a sinit rc.init
2021-04-27T13:23:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, hummingbird isn't intended to manage services
2021-04-27T13:23:56 #kisslinux <konimex> so is sinit
2021-04-27T13:24:19 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-27T13:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, on the topic of hummingbird,
2021-04-27T13:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i forked the package under community and patched the source so that it properly reaps zombies
2021-04-27T13:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> sed -i 's/signal(SIGINT, handler);/signal(SIGINT, handler);nsignal(SIGCHLD, handler);/' hummingbird.c
2021-04-27T13:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> in case anyone needs this in the future
2021-04-27T13:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> all the rest of the code seems to be in place for reaping
2021-04-27T13:26:00 #kisslinux <konimex> just send a patch to the upstream
2021-04-27T13:26:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> dev is MIA and I don't use github
2021-04-27T13:26:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and also,
2021-04-27T13:26:11 #kisslinux <konimex> unless it's a secret club ala mandoc
2021-04-27T13:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was locked out of my account
2021-04-27T13:26:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and lost the recovery email
2021-04-27T13:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-27T13:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, actually, dilyn, you use hummingbird right?
2021-04-27T13:28:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/Sweets/hummingbird/issues/15 is this the same issue mid
2021-04-27T13:28:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I'm the friend mentioned
2021-04-27T13:28:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-27T13:28:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh lol i should've known at the FVWM mention
2021-04-27T13:29:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed you should have
2021-04-27T13:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> speaking of which,
2021-04-27T13:29:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow, fvwm3 is kind of based
2021-04-27T13:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> they switched to randr instead of xinerama
2021-04-27T13:29:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so now I can have non-square X root windows
2021-04-27T13:29:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is *fantastic*
2021-04-27T13:31:48 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> did you figure out your config issue from the other day?
2021-04-27T13:32:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> with the script? yeah, I tinkered with it some more and realized that by multiplying one side it results in only using whole numbers
2021-04-27T13:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> meaning bc isn't necessary
2021-04-27T13:32:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is nice
2021-04-27T13:34:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> however, what is not nice is that my taskbar module is still non-functional. this is displeasing, but not entirely unexpected
2021-04-27T13:35:51 #kisslinux <yabobay> so i've just compiled me a kernel, and it says i've gotta rename it to the kernel version. can this be any string i want, and is it even totally necessary?
2021-04-27T13:36:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> depends on the bootloader
2021-04-27T13:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> lilo expects it to be the string from the /etc/lilo.conf, grub expects it to be vmlinuz-something, syslinux doesn't give a shit, etc
2021-04-27T13:36:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> well im probably gonna use lilo anyway
2021-04-27T13:36:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally I name mine based on revisions
2021-04-27T13:37:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> current kernel is vmlinuz-stable, last gen is vmlinuz-old, next-gen is vmlinuz-unstable
2021-04-27T13:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> old is used for a recovery boot, stable is for daily use, unstable is for R&D
2021-04-27T13:37:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> i don't think i'm gonna be changing which version of the kernel i'm using, so it's not really a big deal for me to organise having multiple vmlinuz'es
2021-04-27T13:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, when I say revisions, I don't mean newer kernel versions
2021-04-27T13:37:57 #kisslinux <yabobay> huh wdym then?
2021-04-27T13:37:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean newly compiled kernels in general
2021-04-27T13:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> so like
2021-04-27T13:38:06 #kisslinux <yabobay> ohhhh ok
2021-04-27T13:38:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> 5.11.11 is what most of my systems are on rn
2021-04-27T13:38:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I want to add a new driver, or tweak security or memory management, whatever, that becomes -unstable
2021-04-27T13:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when I'm satisfied with it, it becomes the new -stable
2021-04-27T13:38:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the current -stable becomes the new -old
2021-04-27T13:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the current -old is banished to the voice
2021-04-27T13:38:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/voice/void/
2021-04-27T13:38:52 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> and the current -old is banished to the void
2021-04-27T13:38:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> hmm well i'm in a vm so i don't think i'll be changing around the drivers much either
2021-04-27T13:38:56 #kisslinux <kqz> midfavila: thanks for the reaping fix, i've noticed this with hummingbird as well but never got around to creating an issue for it and just hoped i wouldn't run out of processes ;d
2021-04-27T13:39:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> np!
2021-04-27T13:39:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> midfavila: anyway thanks for the infos
2021-04-27T13:39:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was really nice to see my twenty five pages of k&r experience actually be useful
2021-04-27T13:39:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just glad it works
2021-04-27T13:39:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-04-27T13:39:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but not running out of PIDs is also nice. i lost a two and a half week uptime once because of it
2021-04-27T13:40:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> *not* impressed by that
2021-04-27T13:40:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...welp, time to implement a settings panel for my config... this is gonna be a pain
2021-04-27T13:41:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta convert all my wallpapers to png, because fvwm doesn't support jpg
2021-04-27T13:41:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I have to prototype the UI
2021-04-27T13:42:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> then I have to write the backend, then the UI itself...
2021-04-27T13:42:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> bluh
2021-04-27T13:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is what FVWM does to you
2021-04-27T13:43:06 #kisslinux <kqz> never used FVWM so no idea what the capabilities are, but i've been playing around with eww for stuff like that and it's pretty  neat
2021-04-27T13:43:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, FVWM can copy almost any GUI
2021-04-27T13:43:30 #kisslinux <acheam> eww is nice
2021-04-27T13:43:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> to a tee
2021-04-27T13:43:39 #kisslinux <acheam> prot has great configs for it
2021-04-27T13:43:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only times I've had difficulty in getting FVWM to do what I want is getting it to be more akin to NeXT
2021-04-27T13:43:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> whats eww
2021-04-27T13:44:03 #kisslinux <kqz> testuser_[m]: https://github.com/elkowar/eww
2021-04-27T13:44:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> emacs web wowser?
2021-04-27T13:44:11 #kisslinux <acheam> Oh I was thinking of the emacs web wowser
2021-04-27T13:44:11 #kisslinux <kqz> lol
2021-04-27T13:44:25 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: can it emulate Rio?
2021-04-27T13:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> my answer is
2021-04-27T13:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, kind of
2021-04-27T13:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing it can't copy is rio's, uh
2021-04-27T13:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...idiosyncratic method of window placement
2021-04-27T13:45:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-04-27T13:45:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> >rust
2021-04-27T13:45:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> into the trash
2021-04-27T13:45:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it gives it character!
2021-04-27T13:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong
2021-04-27T13:45:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> rio is nice
2021-04-27T13:45:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's *weird*
2021-04-27T13:45:34 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah lol
2021-04-27T13:45:41 #kisslinux <acheam> p9's mouse focus really isn't for me tbh
2021-04-27T13:45:44 #kisslinux <acheam> for daily use that is
2021-04-27T13:45:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> sloppy focus is fantastic
2021-04-27T13:45:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but for experimenting it is awesome
2021-04-27T13:45:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck are you on about
2021-04-27T13:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...ohwait
2021-04-27T13:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> never mind
2021-04-27T13:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> you meant in terms of UI
2021-04-27T13:46:06 #kisslinux <kqz> i was abusing sway's ipc to emulate some rio like features (hence where I first ran into problems with hummingbird not reaping zombies)
2021-04-27T13:46:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes midfavila
2021-04-27T13:46:11 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-04-27T13:46:19 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: why not wio?
2021-04-27T13:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> >wayland
2021-04-27T13:46:34 #kisslinux <kqz> wio is pretty much dead ;d
2021-04-27T13:46:37 #kisslinux <acheam> oi hes using sway already
2021-04-27T13:46:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-04-27T13:46:44 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: does that matter?
2021-04-27T13:46:44 #kisslinux <kqz> neat, but drew has lost interest i think
2021-04-27T13:46:55 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't it pretty much done?
2021-04-27T13:47:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=IluRBvnYMoY
2021-04-27T13:47:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah he hasn't worked on any wayland stuff recently
2021-04-27T13:47:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> sotd suggestion
2021-04-27T13:47:14 #kisslinux <acheam> will listen to it later
2021-04-27T13:47:15 #kisslinux <kqz> it's missing support for a lot of protocols and features
2021-04-27T13:47:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> also also
2021-04-27T13:47:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> just checked my mailbox
2021-04-27T13:47:26 #kisslinux <kqz> wouldn't be hard to plug them in, but I really like sway's ipc as well
2021-04-27T13:47:34 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: oh okay
2021-04-27T13:48:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the guy running for mayor from my precinct lists that he's a second-degree judoka
2021-04-27T13:48:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is amazing
2021-04-27T13:48:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> we truly live in a judocracy
2021-04-27T13:48:20 #kisslinux <acheam> instantvote
2021-04-27T13:48:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr tho
2021-04-27T13:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> "vote for me or I throw you into oblivion"
2021-04-27T13:49:20 #kisslinux <kqz> oh and I think the biggest issue with wio is that the when spawning new windows via cage, you lose clipboard support between windows
2021-04-27T13:49:31 #kisslinux <kqz> because nested compositors can't access the host compositors clipboard ;d
2021-04-27T13:49:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wouldn't mind learning judo. I did a little bit of jujutsu for a while, that was fun
2021-04-27T13:50:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> how're those security features kqz :^)
2021-04-27T13:50:45 #kisslinux <kqz> well it's not really a "muh security" thing, it's just there's no protocol established yet for such a thing
2021-04-27T13:51:07 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> time to write a new standard then!
2021-04-27T13:51:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna stick with based trad Xorg
2021-04-27T13:51:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> thx
2021-04-27T13:51:27 #kisslinux * acheam links that relevant xkcd
2021-04-27T13:51:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually found a bunch of old NEC docs detailing low-level X programming the other day
2021-04-27T13:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to read them.
2021-04-27T13:52:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if they're mostly for R6, they should still by and large be relevant for R7
2021-04-27T13:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> who knows, once I become maybe-slightly-not-really-competent at programming, I'll be able to start working on FVWM. they're reimplementing window tabbing, which is exciting
2021-04-27T13:54:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> be nice to write my own modules to replace the built-in toolkit with GTK or, even better, FLTK, too
2021-04-27T13:56:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just use the tabbing module for rxvt, all you need is perl
2021-04-27T13:56:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I don't want it
2021-04-27T13:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> rxvt is bloat
2021-04-27T13:56:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to write my own terminal eventually, because even XTerm has a lot of crap that I don't want
2021-04-27T13:57:09 #kisslinux <kqz> i think foot alone has definitely solidified my staying on wayland
2021-04-27T13:57:18 #kisslinux <kqz> such a great terminal
2021-04-27T13:57:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> does changing your wallpaper in wayland still use like 80mb of memory
2021-04-27T13:58:05 #kisslinux <kqz> i use mpvpaper for video wallpapers so resource usage is a moot point for me regarding that stuff ;d
2021-04-27T13:58:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically cringe
2021-04-27T13:58:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully you're not using a laptop
2021-04-27T13:59:09 #kisslinux <kqz> actually have it set up on both my desktop and my laptop lol
2021-04-27T13:59:29 #kisslinux <kqz> i just found out i can also abuse mpv's ipc to generate a neat blur effect on focus
2021-04-27T13:59:48 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-27T13:59:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> I tend to keep cosmetics on the down-low.
2021-04-27T14:00:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> Normally I don't even have dropshadows.
2021-04-27T14:00:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just server-side hardedge
2021-04-27T14:00:37 #kisslinux <kqz> i like the cute and pretty
2021-04-27T14:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> grey is...... kind of cute
2021-04-27T14:00:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and can be very pretty
2021-04-27T14:01:24 #kisslinux <kqz> hah, i mean sure anything can be cute ;d
2021-04-27T14:01:41 #kisslinux <kqz> i also did a very **weeb** grey rice a while ago
2021-04-27T14:01:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> was it tasteful
2021-04-27T14:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> or was it the usual hentai loli garbage
2021-04-27T14:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> because 99% of the time it seems to be the latter
2021-04-27T14:02:39 #kisslinux <acheam> #000000 ftw
2021-04-27T14:02:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> go away emo
2021-04-27T14:02:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> 2008 wants their vantablack bodypaint back
2021-04-27T14:03:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make this your background https://i.imgur.com/A0JUTQw.jpg
2021-04-27T14:03:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> no thanks
2021-04-27T14:03:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to avoid nausea
2021-04-27T14:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> my rice right now: https://i.imgur.com/QbIlB0Q.png
2021-04-27T14:03:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> wowowoowowowowoowowowowowowowowow
2021-04-27T14:03:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> so MINIMALIST
2021-04-27T14:04:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's your reddit gold, sir
2021-04-27T14:04:40 #kisslinux <kqz> hah found it, (warning big picture) https://0x0.st/-mGC.png
2021-04-27T14:04:42 #kisslinux <acheam> wow never expected my most updooted post to be just my humble rice! Thank you kind anonymous reddotor
2021-04-27T14:05:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-mDr.png
2021-04-27T14:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> my system is kind of boring right now
2021-04-27T14:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> still working on the info script, had to disable the taskbar because of jank
2021-04-27T14:06:18 #kisslinux <kqz> are those..gradients!? ;d
2021-04-27T14:06:22 #kisslinux <kqz> flat are riot!
2021-04-27T14:06:28 #kisslinux <kqz> s/are/or/g
2021-04-27T14:06:28 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kqz> flat or riot!
2021-04-27T14:06:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i like the unobtrusive time and date kqz
2021-04-27T14:06:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> how can one person be so incredibly unbased
2021-04-27T14:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> >flatshit
2021-04-27T14:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> >vidya desktop on laptop
2021-04-27T14:07:06 #kisslinux <kqz> hahaha, i think our tastes are probably polar opposites ;d
2021-04-27T14:07:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> bevels and gradients are where it's at
2021-04-27T14:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> just has to be *tasteful*
2021-04-27T14:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to see some really awful FVWM configurations...
2021-04-27T14:07:25 #kisslinux <kqz> ominous_anonymou: thanks, i later made a very long cutesy string wrapper around date that was like 50 characters long
2021-04-27T14:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://www.xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm2-glen.jpg
2021-04-27T14:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> behold
2021-04-27T14:08:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the power of FVWM
2021-04-27T14:08:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> bask in its... er...
2021-04-27T14:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> questionable pallette
2021-04-27T14:08:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and far too many titlebuttons
2021-04-27T14:09:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that rice you posted is... questionable, kqz. the grey one
2021-04-27T14:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't into the massive borders or the low contrast
2021-04-27T14:10:24 #kisslinux <kqz> hehe, yeah low contrast was the biggest motivation for that one
2021-04-27T14:10:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's no way it's a daily use thing
2021-04-27T14:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> just looking at it hurts my eyes >.<
2021-04-27T14:10:54 #kisslinux <kqz> i used that for a while actually
2021-04-27T14:11:05 #kisslinux <kqz> i love muh wasted pixels ;d
2021-04-27T14:11:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> nothing wrong with sacrificing some screen real estate for comfiness
2021-04-27T14:11:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but comfiness generally also serves some practical function
2021-04-27T14:12:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g denoting clearly where stuff ends
2021-04-27T14:12:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> gimme some thicc gaps
2021-04-27T14:12:19 #kisslinux <kqz> this was my final setup up until btrfs attacked https://0x0.st/-mDX.png
2021-04-27T14:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> jesus CHRIST
2021-04-27T14:12:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah that one's a bit much haha
2021-04-27T14:12:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah we uh
2021-04-27T14:12:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> we definitely have polar opposite tastes in aesthetic
2021-04-27T14:12:57 #kisslinux <kqz> hahahaha
2021-04-27T14:13:06 #kisslinux <acheam> double polar for me
2021-04-27T14:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx621about2.png
2021-04-27T14:13:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is my ideal GUI
2021-04-27T14:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I attempt to emulate it as much as possible with FVWM
2021-04-27T14:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> simple, clean, highly functional, with minimal, crisp styling
2021-04-27T14:14:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> perfection
2021-04-27T14:14:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila literally only wants one thing and its fucking disgusting
2021-04-27T14:14:17 #kisslinux <kqz> that actually looks kind of nice
2021-04-27T14:14:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude
2021-04-27T14:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> QNX is based
2021-04-27T14:14:27 #kisslinux <kqz> bar the bloat titlebars ;d
2021-04-27T14:14:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a system five-based UNIX that runs a realtime microkernel
2021-04-27T14:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it comes with pkgsrc so you can use most standard packages
2021-04-27T14:15:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> (also it's owned by a canadian company so I'm slightly biased)
2021-04-27T14:15:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to have a QNX theme for my setup, but it's been retired for some time now
2021-04-27T14:16:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> honestly im really enjoying the kiss package manager more than i ever did apt/yum/xbps/pacman/etc
2021-04-27T14:16:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta write a configuration file so that it fits my theme format
2021-04-27T14:16:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, kiss is really nice
2021-04-27T14:16:20 #kisslinux <kqz> same ominous_anonymou
2021-04-27T14:16:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been thinking of making a binary repository for myself
2021-04-27T14:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and possibly the community
2021-04-27T14:16:27 #kisslinux <kqz> makes me very sad when i have to dabble with those other ones at work ;d
2021-04-27T14:16:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I have a pretty beefy build system. might help if someone wanted to run KISS on like
2021-04-27T14:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> a t60 or something
2021-04-27T14:17:38 #kisslinux <kqz> i've been thinking the same after going through and attempting to install kiss on a few single core VPSs
2021-04-27T14:17:42 #kisslinux <aarng> midfavila, re your ugly ass pipeline to get memory usage, you can do it in pure shell too
2021-04-27T14:17:46 #kisslinux <aarng> https://gist.github.com/aaronNGi/5aacadb072b356aab261e292a7be30e6#file-statusbar-sh-L147-L170
2021-04-27T14:17:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> already fixed it
2021-04-27T14:25:24 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: what libc do you use?
2021-04-27T14:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> musl on laptop, glibc on desktop
2021-04-27T14:25:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> the nuegia browser, nor pale moon, will build against musl
2021-04-27T14:25:49 #kisslinux <acheam> so itd be a glibc repo?
2021-04-27T14:25:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would do both
2021-04-27T14:25:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-04-27T14:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it takes me like maybe five minutes to build a hardened, optimized llvm
2021-04-27T14:26:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ngl idk how much I'd trust running your binaries on my computer
2021-04-27T14:26:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, if you don't want to, you don't have to
2021-04-27T14:26:27 #kisslinux <kqz> hahaha
2021-04-27T14:27:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wdym hardened midfavila
2021-04-27T14:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, you can use certain GCC flags to compile position-independent executables, or with stack-smashing protection, etc
2021-04-27T14:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that kind of thing
2021-04-27T14:27:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been experimenting with it on my laptop
2021-04-27T14:28:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I were to distribute binaries I'd probably also enable profile-guided optimization... but I don't know if that'd work across machines
2021-04-27T14:29:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it will unless you use march=native
2021-04-27T14:29:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> cool, thanks for letting me know
2021-04-27T14:29:39 #kisslinux <kqz> ah that reminds me i want to play around with clang's CFI
2021-04-27T14:30:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> was just going to use march=x86-64 anyway
2021-04-27T14:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't *cater* to 32-bit peasants here
2021-04-27T14:30:51 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah, i really wish 32-bit would disappear already
2021-04-27T14:31:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the reason I stopped playing games on PC
2021-04-27T14:31:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> unironically
2021-04-27T14:31:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i got so sick and tired of managing a multi-lib system to play games through steam that I gave up
2021-04-27T14:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-04-27T14:31:50 #kisslinux <kqz> yep, only reason i have a multilib chroot, the games i play dont even need them, steam itself does for whatever reason
2021-04-27T14:31:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> why do I need to basically double the size of my installed base system just to run a 32-bit binary that does nothing except load a 64-bit binary
2021-04-27T14:32:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just going to build proton for myself, then download cracked copies of all my games
2021-04-27T14:32:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck DRM, I'm allowed a backup copy
2021-04-27T14:40:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> if i have enabled repository signing before, does anyone know how i would disable it ?
2021-04-27T14:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> did you check the install guide and/or wiki? they probably have a good jumping-off point
2021-04-27T14:43:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> git config merge.verifySignatures false
2021-04-27T14:45:11 #kisslinux <yabobay> nono i don't mean with git, i mean when trying to build a package and it says "checksum mismatch".
2021-04-27T14:45:36 #kisslinux <yabobay> midfavila: and that's true, i really do have to learn to rtfm before assuming nobody has written tfm
2021-04-27T14:45:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> and im looking right now havent found anything *so far*
2021-04-27T14:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> yabobay: thats a repo issue, and should be fixed upstream
2021-04-27T14:45:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> your download got corrupted then ?
2021-04-27T14:45:54 #kisslinux <acheam> what package is it?
2021-04-27T14:46:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> it is dhcpcd
2021-04-27T14:46:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've run into that too
2021-04-27T14:46:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> with qemu
2021-04-27T14:46:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dhcpcd has had checksum changes a few times
2021-04-27T14:46:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> does that mean i'm without dhcpcd until it is fixed?
2021-04-27T14:47:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `kiss fork dhcpcd; cd dhcpcd; kiss c; kiss b`
2021-04-27T14:47:04 #kisslinux <kqz> quick fix would to just do "kiss c dhcpcd"
2021-04-27T14:47:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> this will regenerate the checksums without messing with the main reopo
2021-04-27T14:47:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't a checksum override kind of defeat the point of checksumming
2021-04-27T14:47:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-27T14:47:43 #kisslinux <yabobay> it does, but i asked how to turn it off anyway
2021-04-27T14:47:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally fair
2021-04-27T14:47:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> just pointing out that we should be harping on maintainers
2021-04-27T14:48:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the checksum is working fine here, looks like your dl got corrupted
2021-04-27T14:48:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> try rm ~/.cache/kiss/sources/dhcpcd/* then kiss b again
2021-04-27T14:48:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> darn, i already did it with 'kiss c' though
2021-04-27T14:48:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you'll know if the build fails :p
2021-04-27T14:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, just remember next time
2021-04-27T14:49:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> as long as you improve, that's all anyone can ask
2021-04-27T14:49:09 #kisslinux <yabobay> if i remove that and do it again, it should work theoretically right?
2021-04-27T14:49:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's downloading it
2021-04-27T14:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless there's something messing with your traffic, yeah
2021-04-27T14:49:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> it should
2021-04-27T14:49:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> could not resolve host: github.com
2021-04-27T14:49:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that explains it
2021-04-27T14:49:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i dont get what's happening, my internet is clearly working :/
2021-04-27T14:49:59 #kisslinux <kqz> is your /etc/resolv.conf setup right?
2021-04-27T14:50:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-04-27T14:50:24 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm just looking at it now
2021-04-27T14:50:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's empty
2021-04-27T14:50:25 #kisslinux <kqz> (if it's empty, you need to add a nameserver)
2021-04-27T14:50:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> (oh)
2021-04-27T14:50:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> rip
2021-04-27T14:50:40 #kisslinux <kqz> just slap "nameserver 8.8.8.8" in there
2021-04-27T14:50:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> well i tried pinging URLs earlier and that was working
2021-04-27T14:50:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1.1.1.1
2021-04-27T14:50:44 #kisslinux <kqz> or whatever your preferred dns is
2021-04-27T14:50:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> let's not push people to google
2021-04-27T14:50:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> cloudflare isn't much better
2021-04-27T14:50:54 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> or cloudflare
2021-04-27T14:51:08 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah both are evil ;d
2021-04-27T14:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally SDF's DNS service would be up
2021-04-27T14:51:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's NOT
2021-04-27T14:51:21 #kisslinux * midfavila glares at the sysops of SDF
2021-04-27T14:51:23 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's just a DNS so i should just get the one which is more likely to be up at all times
2021-04-27T14:51:30 #kisslinux <yabobay> which would be google right?
2021-04-27T14:51:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> "just a DNS"
2021-04-27T14:51:38 #kisslinux <kqz> both will be very reliable
2021-04-27T14:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> DNS is uh, kind of important
2021-04-27T14:51:44 #kisslinux <yabobay> i know that's what i mean
2021-04-27T14:51:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's like
2021-04-27T14:51:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> would i see a difference?
2021-04-27T14:51:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://privacytools.io/providers/dns/
2021-04-27T14:51:59 #kisslinux <yabobay> of which one i use
2021-04-27T14:52:09 #kisslinux <kqz> ping em each and use that one that has the lowest latency
2021-04-27T14:52:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I just realized, I have no idea where I get my DNS results from
2021-04-27T14:52:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, my desktop points to my router
2021-04-27T14:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> but my router points to itself
2021-04-27T14:52:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ???
2021-04-27T14:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to read config files
2021-04-27T14:52:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Just temporarily use any dns, set up dhcpcd then let it use your isp dns
2021-04-27T14:52:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> 8.8.8.8 is quicker
2021-04-27T14:53:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> so i'll use that
2021-04-27T14:53:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> ok now dhpcd
2021-04-27T14:53:19 #kisslinux <yabobay> third time's the charm
2021-04-27T14:53:22 #kisslinux <acheam> 9.9.9.9 is king
2021-04-27T14:53:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> higher latency just tried it :/
2021-04-27T14:54:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> at least the download worked so i'm not super crazy on it being super fast
2021-04-27T14:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah okay, I see. I'm getting mine from an altnet DNS
2021-04-27T14:54:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> crisis averted
2021-04-27T14:54:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> y'know i think this is the longest amount of time i've been in an irc channel
2021-04-27T14:54:51 #kisslinux <kqz> if you're privacy centric, i'd reccommend https://dns.njal.la/
2021-04-27T14:54:58 #kisslinux <kqz> though performance may not be the greatest ;d
2021-04-27T14:55:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> #kisslinux is very easy to spend a while chatting in
2021-04-27T14:55:34 #kisslinux <yabobay> i think i'd just use IRC for stuff other than tech support, if i could log in and see what has already been said before i logged in
2021-04-27T14:55:39 #kisslinux <yabobay> is is literally the one feature im missing
2021-04-27T14:55:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's logbot
2021-04-27T14:55:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeahyeah i know
2021-04-27T14:55:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> but like it's not as intuitive
2021-04-27T14:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can also set up a bouncer
2021-04-27T14:56:07 #kisslinux <yabobay> i knowwww but that kinda ruins the appeal
2021-04-27T14:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> personally, I actually like not seeing all the crap from before
2021-04-27T14:56:12 #kisslinux <yabobay> of using any client on literally any thing ever
2021-04-27T14:56:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, you can't have it both ways :P
2021-04-27T14:57:00 #kisslinux <kqz> most of the popular clients support bouncers fwiw
2021-04-27T14:57:15 #kisslinux <yabobay> also i really dont understand how a lot of it works
2021-04-27T14:57:24 #kisslinux <yabobay> all i know is joining a channel
2021-04-27T14:57:45 #kisslinux <yabobay> but i could read up on that
2021-04-27T14:57:51 #kisslinux <kqz> well, today, dns, tomorrow, the world!
2021-04-27T14:58:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> /help is your friend
2021-04-27T14:58:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> (minus the backslash)
2021-04-27T14:58:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> literally echoes nothing
2021-04-27T14:59:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> heyho!
2021-04-27T14:59:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> weird.
2021-04-27T14:59:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gcc 11 is out
2021-04-27T14:59:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey, thermatrix
2021-04-27T14:59:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh great, GCC 11
2021-04-27T14:59:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> time for all my packages to break
2021-04-27T14:59:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> again
2021-04-27T14:59:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol not matrix, matix
2021-04-27T14:59:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-27T14:59:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, thermatix
2021-04-27T14:59:45 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-04-27T14:59:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> close enough
2021-04-27T14:59:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> all the crap I ordered off of amazon is here
2021-04-27T14:59:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> my one question about irc has just been answered
2021-04-27T14:59:57 #kisslinux <yabobay> hear me out
2021-04-27T15:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> >amazon
2021-04-27T15:00:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely CRINGE
2021-04-27T15:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is an ebay channel
2021-04-27T15:00:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-27T15:00:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> midfavila: like, i recognise you from last time i got in this channel, and then i also saw you said hello to someone *you* recognised. idk what im saying but like i was basically always curious if people actually meet other people on irc
2021-04-27T15:01:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, of course you do!
2021-04-27T15:01:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are regulars in every channel
2021-04-27T15:01:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah, I've been regular since last week...
2021-04-27T15:01:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think?
2021-04-27T15:01:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the same as any other community on the net
2021-04-27T15:01:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> hmmm, i might start just having an irc client in this channel cause why not
2021-04-27T15:01:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been switching more and more to iRC
2021-04-27T15:01:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> but right now im literally in irssi in a VM so that isn't optimal
2021-04-27T15:02:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> irssi?
2021-04-27T15:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to use telegram and discord almost exclusively, but I'm getting real sick of both of those
2021-04-27T15:02:13 #kisslinux <kqz> i usually boot up irssi and slap it in a tmux session
2021-04-27T15:02:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> irssi is a cli irc client
2021-04-27T15:02:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc it's written in perl?
2021-04-27T15:02:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-27T15:02:24 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's like the most nothing-y irc client
2021-04-27T15:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-27T15:02:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-27T15:02:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I only dicord when I need to
2021-04-27T15:02:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a simpler irc client
2021-04-27T15:02:35 #kisslinux <kqz> midfavila: c but most plugins are perl
2021-04-27T15:02:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-27T15:02:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I no one I know is on telegram
2021-04-27T15:02:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> what's a irc client that i can have the window closed, and it's like just in my systray
2021-04-27T15:03:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> pidgin
2021-04-27T15:03:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hexchat
2021-04-27T15:03:05 #kisslinux <acheam> hexchat
2021-04-27T15:03:08 #kisslinux <acheam> jinx
2021-04-27T15:03:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> this is probably the worst channel to ask that lol
2021-04-27T15:03:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu
2021-04-27T15:03:14 #kisslinux <acheam> yes it is, yabobay
2021-04-27T15:03:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-27T15:03:14 #kisslinux <kqz> lol
2021-04-27T15:03:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I would use a bounce if you can
2021-04-27T15:03:25 #kisslinux <kqz> systrays are bloat, shame on you! /s
2021-04-27T15:03:30 #kisslinux <acheam> s/bounce/bouncer
2021-04-27T15:03:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> XD
2021-04-27T15:03:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> hey i like me some bloat
2021-04-27T15:03:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> everything is bloat
2021-04-27T15:03:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> the OS is bloat, unikernal all the way
2021-04-27T15:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> look at this dude
2021-04-27T15:03:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> he uses a kernel
2021-04-27T15:03:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-27T15:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> just flip switches on your front panel, luser
2021-04-27T15:04:20 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mean what i'm running on main system is opensuse. that should tell you enough about my usual bloat standards
2021-04-27T15:04:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> >SuSE
2021-04-27T15:04:32 #kisslinux <kqz> i need to set up a bouncer, it's not uncommon that i just stop using irc for weeks/months because i cba to boot it up / configure it ;d
2021-04-27T15:04:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're using a bigger distro, at least use slackware
2021-04-27T15:04:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> c'mon now
2021-04-27T15:04:53 #kisslinux <yabobay> well the thing about slackware is like
2021-04-27T15:05:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> i would use it but it has the same problem as kiss linux and a lot of distros
2021-04-27T15:05:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> it doesnt track which dependencies are NOT needed anymore
2021-04-27T15:05:14 #kisslinux <yabobay> so i can remove them
2021-04-27T15:05:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay, well
2021-04-27T15:05:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> reverse dependency tracking is uh
2021-04-27T15:05:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> kind of a major issue
2021-04-27T15:05:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but there's a plugin for kiss to manage that
2021-04-27T15:05:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and slpkg manages it on slackware
2021-04-27T15:05:41 #kisslinux <yabobay> oooo really??
2021-04-27T15:05:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-04-27T15:05:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> and on slackware?? huh im learning stuff
2021-04-27T15:06:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> slackware has like five different package managers
2021-04-27T15:06:06 #kisslinux <yabobay> irc increases my mind already
2021-04-27T15:06:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> IRC - Legendary Chat Protocol
2021-04-27T15:06:18 #kisslinux <kqz> the beauty of kiss is i have an idea of why each package is installed, and my package list is small enough that I can check it myself every few days and see if i have anything not needed anymore
2021-04-27T15:06:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> +1 to INT, binds on equip
2021-04-27T15:06:33 #kisslinux <kqz> even though I probably have what is the higher end of installed packages here ;d
2021-04-27T15:06:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> post package count
2021-04-27T15:06:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> do it
2021-04-27T15:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn
2021-04-27T15:06:48 #kisslinux <kqz> kiss l | wc -l
2021-04-27T15:06:52 #kisslinux <kqz> 309
2021-04-27T15:07:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> blote
2021-04-27T15:07:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> btw i was wondering earlier, i could theoretically just slap a prebuilt kernel into /boot instead of compiling it? im not gonna do it for real just wondering
2021-04-27T15:07:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, you can
2021-04-27T15:07:06 #kisslinux <kqz> actually not as bad as i was expecting
2021-04-27T15:07:19 #kisslinux <kqz> probably up to 70 of them being python libs needed for sourcehut aha
2021-04-27T15:07:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have 230, but that's with all of my usual build tools
2021-04-27T15:07:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> compiling the kernel isn't that hard, it's figuring out the config options
2021-04-27T15:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> stripping old junk usually leaves me around 200
2021-04-27T15:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-27T15:07:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> mine says 34 but i haven't gotten xorg yet
2021-04-27T15:07:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> the thing with compiling a kernel
2021-04-27T15:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> is that you have to either a)
2021-04-27T15:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> be following a guide from someone who's semi-competent
2021-04-27T15:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> or b)
2021-04-27T15:08:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> autistically research every option you change
2021-04-27T15:08:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> I just winged it
2021-04-27T15:08:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> probably not a good thing
2021-04-27T15:08:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> "winging it" with your kernel is an awful idea
2021-04-27T15:08:31 #kisslinux <yabobay> i just did localyesdefaults or whatever it was from the wiki and then modified some stuff in menuconfig
2021-04-27T15:08:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, It's not that I didn't research what I looked at
2021-04-27T15:08:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I do make defconfig
2021-04-27T15:08:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> then disable everything I don't need
2021-04-27T15:08:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> enable everything I know I need for sure
2021-04-27T15:08:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then do research on stuff I don't know about
2021-04-27T15:09:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and just repeat that until I'm satisfied
2021-04-27T15:09:16 #kisslinux <kqz> that's usually how it goes for me too
2021-04-27T15:09:19 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh boy how am i gonna get guest additions on this vm lol
2021-04-27T15:09:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> as it stands I'm tinkering with the kernel's memory management subsystem to use compression for pages
2021-04-27T15:10:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't think I needed guest additions when I was doing kiss on the VM
2021-04-27T15:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> guest additions are for like
2021-04-27T15:10:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> winshit
2021-04-27T15:10:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> though I guess it would have made things a bit easier?
2021-04-27T15:10:22 #kisslinux <kqz> use kvm, problem solved ;d
2021-04-27T15:10:24 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mainly want it for setting the resolution to native when i get xorg
2021-04-27T15:10:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> kvm and qemu are very comfy
2021-04-27T15:11:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh im dumb i just remembered
2021-04-27T15:11:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> xrandr
2021-04-27T15:11:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually
2021-04-27T15:11:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> you don't need xrandr to set the resolution
2021-04-27T15:11:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can do it using standard xorg configuration files
2021-04-27T15:11:39 #kisslinux <yabobay> hmmm
2021-04-27T15:11:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> or just always use the native resolution like I do
2021-04-27T15:11:48 #kisslinux <kqz> (or just by taking the wayland pill)
2021-04-27T15:11:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I use native resolution
2021-04-27T15:11:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but two of my monitors are portrait
2021-04-27T15:11:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> wayland don't got MATE so nnnnnever
2021-04-27T15:12:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> >MATE
2021-04-27T15:12:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> a friend of mine uses Ubuntu MATE
2021-04-27T15:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I have to bully him for that
2021-04-27T15:12:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i just like the gnome 2 "i can have as many panels as i want" sorta look
2021-04-27T15:13:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> anything that uses GTK3 is off the table for me until STLWRT comes out
2021-04-27T15:13:29 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah that's why i had to stop using xfce
2021-04-27T15:13:41 #kisslinux <kqz> what's STLWRT?
2021-04-27T15:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> STLWRT is a replacement for GTK2/3/4
2021-04-27T15:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically, it implements shims for 3 and soon 4, and interfaces it with a fork of GTK2
2021-04-27T15:14:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> just dawned on me, how come i've never seen anything use GTK1?
2021-04-27T15:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can run GTK3 programs but with the aesthetics of GTK2
2021-04-27T15:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you've never seen anything use GTK1 because GTK1 is ancient
2021-04-27T15:14:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but mtpaint still supports building with it
2021-04-27T15:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey dilyn
2021-04-27T15:14:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> just fyi
2021-04-27T15:15:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> i posted an enhancement for hummingbird earlier
2021-04-27T15:15:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> to fix reaping
2021-04-27T15:15:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might find it useful
2021-04-27T15:15:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/ dilyn
2021-04-27T15:15:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-27T15:15:30 #kisslinux <kqz> oh neat! i already used your sed fix in my package but will take a look at that
2021-04-27T15:15:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i noticed that's why i joined!
2021-04-27T15:15:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> Sad that Sweets has disappeared :(
2021-04-27T15:15:41 #kisslinux <yabobay> yknow whats funny is i'm done installing kiss so i can just reboot now but i dont wanna exit the irc channel
2021-04-27T15:15:45 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-04-27T15:15:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Their gh seems active
2021-04-27T15:15:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-27T15:16:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the channel isn't going to disappear when you leave yabobay
2021-04-27T15:16:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> just open up IRC on a different computer
2021-04-27T15:16:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> also that
2021-04-27T15:16:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> cause if i exit it now, then i have to get back to work
2021-04-27T15:16:27 #kisslinux <kqz> this is me, currently at work ;d
2021-04-27T15:16:28 #kisslinux <yabobay> cause rn i can kinda convince myself to ignore it
2021-04-27T15:16:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm supposed to be in class rn lmao
2021-04-27T15:16:52 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh i cannot have chat open and work simultaneously i am incapable of that
2021-04-27T15:16:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> practice
2021-04-27T15:17:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i'm working v hard rn :v
2021-04-27T15:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> balance those accounts, dilyn!
2021-04-27T15:17:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_ I just mean that they haven't been present in KISS very much
2021-04-27T15:17:32 #kisslinux <kqz> just have to be sure not to get keyboards mixed up, almost had some awkward conversations with coworkers that way
2021-04-27T15:17:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> they have a screenshot on the website
2021-04-27T15:17:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> alright yknow what, it's frickin schoolwork, im just gonna get it over with. see y'all later!
2021-04-27T15:17:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid: there's a lull so instead I'm finalizing my resume and collecting new references
2021-04-27T15:17:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> is the site still accepting screens?
2021-04-27T15:17:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ciao
2021-04-27T15:17:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> always!
2021-04-27T15:18:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmmmmmm
2021-04-27T15:18:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I work on my config more I'll have to submit one
2021-04-27T15:18:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> the screenshots are just in-text images linked to from a github issue
2021-04-27T15:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> >gh
2021-04-27T15:18:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> which reminds me, I should nab those images from the kisslinux/website repo so they don't ~disappear~
2021-04-27T15:18:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can email me the shot lol
2021-04-27T15:19:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm still stuck on getting my stupid touchpad working, let alone making KISS look awesome
2021-04-27T15:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll send it to you as a ROT13 binary
2021-04-27T15:19:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> but yeah I'm certain people would love to see an oldschool style desktop
2021-04-27T15:19:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew nvm
2021-04-27T15:19:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> do not send me one mid
2021-04-27T15:19:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-04-27T15:19:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-04-27T15:19:25 #kisslinux <kqz> lol
2021-04-27T15:19:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> rot26 might be better
2021-04-27T15:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most secure cipher
2021-04-27T15:19:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> what is rot?
2021-04-27T15:19:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> rotational cipher
2021-04-27T15:19:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> also called the caeser cipher
2021-04-27T15:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> caesar?
2021-04-27T15:19:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> as a binary?
2021-04-27T15:19:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> caesar
2021-04-27T15:19:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and yeah, you can encode any data with ROT
2021-04-27T15:20:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a common practice on USENET
2021-04-27T15:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> anything on alt.binaries is transcoded to text and encoded using ROT13 so that it can be transmitted as plaintext
2021-04-27T15:20:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> then it's decrypted, re-encoded to the original format, and put back together
2021-04-27T15:21:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i actually need to start teaching myself useful ciphers...
2021-04-27T15:24:22 #kisslinux <kqz> hmm, STLWRT looks pretty neat, hope he manages to get it completed
2021-04-27T15:24:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> so do I!
2021-04-27T15:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it'll open up newer programs to me
2021-04-27T15:24:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and provide a semi-stable library to tinker with
2021-04-27T15:25:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe he'll add image previews to the file select dialog
2021-04-27T15:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> after 21 years of waiting
2021-04-27T15:26:11 #kisslinux <kqz> does gtk2 not have that? i think the last time i used gtk2 was..2011? ;d
2021-04-27T15:26:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> Right, I'm going out for some icecream, laters
2021-04-27T15:26:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> GTK doesn't have file select previews period
2021-04-27T15:26:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1,2,3 or 4
2021-04-27T15:26:48 #kisslinux <kqz> huh? seems to work fine with gtk3, just tried it
2021-04-27T15:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...does it??? It didn't the last time I touched GTK3
2021-04-27T15:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...admittedly that was... over a year and a half ago
2021-04-27T15:27:51 #kisslinux <kqz> yep, the gtk file chooser in firefox and discord both have working previews for me
2021-04-27T15:28:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> huh.
2021-04-27T15:29:43 #kisslinux <kqz> i was about to say, gtk is pretty bad but not _that_ bad lol
2021-04-27T15:29:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least it's not Qt
2021-04-27T15:30:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't trust Trolltech as far as I could throw their CEO
2021-04-27T15:30:35 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah i avoid qt just because of their parent company
2021-04-27T15:31:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> what pisses me off is that there's no libre CAD software written with GTK
2021-04-27T15:31:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, shit, even Tk has its own CAD suite
2021-04-27T15:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...said suite is from like the 1970s and was developed by the military, but still
2021-04-27T15:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really wish there was more software written with FLTK
2021-04-27T15:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh god, gcc 11.1.0. say it ain't so.
2021-04-27T15:32:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> let the great rebuild commence
2021-04-27T15:32:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it be so
2021-04-27T15:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> prepare thine sphincter
2021-04-27T15:33:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRL-CAD
2021-04-27T15:33:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> were you thinking of this: https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker.html
2021-04-27T15:33:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, here it is
2021-04-27T15:33:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, I was thinking of GTK
2021-04-27T15:33:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-04-27T15:33:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> >cirno
2021-04-27T15:33:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> based
2021-04-27T15:34:56 #kisslinux <kqz> ah yeah, you get file previews but only one at a time, now that _does_ suck
2021-04-27T15:35:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah no this isn't a GNOME issue
2021-04-27T15:35:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a GTK issue
2021-04-27T15:36:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> they use the same file selection program
2021-04-27T15:36:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> in other gtk news, getting audacity to work this time around was way easier than it was this time last year
2021-04-27T15:36:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> It is a GtkFileChooser problem underneath it all
2021-04-27T15:36:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> wxwidgets become much nicer lol
2021-04-27T15:36:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'd think someone would have just replaced gtkfilechooser
2021-04-27T15:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> is there a reason that can't be done?
2021-04-27T15:36:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ...that's the whole point of their rant lol
2021-04-27T15:37:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm only about a quarter of the way done reading. I'm multitasking across three browsers and three machines right now
2021-04-27T15:37:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> looks like some distros just patch it themselves, but upstream refuses to fix it
2021-04-27T15:39:02 #kisslinux <kqz> ah nice, yeah just found a fork that fixes it here https://github.com/Dudemanguy/gtk
2021-04-27T15:39:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> >gtk3
2021-04-27T15:39:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-04-27T15:39:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> ohwait
2021-04-27T15:39:43 #kisslinux <kqz> and for gtk2! https://github.com/Dudemanguy/gtk/tree/gtk2-filechooser-icon-view
2021-04-27T15:39:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a -
2021-04-27T15:39:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-04-27T15:40:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll give it a try at least
2021-04-27T15:40:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks
2021-04-27T15:41:17 #kisslinux <kqz> just another thing that i don't get why it's taken so long for gnome/gtk devs to fix, really don't understand their priorities ;d
2021-04-27T15:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's because GNOME is more concerned about moral pandering than writing good software
2021-04-27T15:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the flaw with libre software versus open software
2021-04-27T15:41:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also the main advantage of libre software...
2021-04-27T15:42:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that their "moral pandering" so to say isn't even directed at software, which is what it *should be*
2021-04-27T15:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn could we maybe add the filechooser patch?
2021-04-27T15:43:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that would be really nice
2021-04-27T15:43:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-04-27T15:44:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't look like it would require a new package, just a regular patch -Np1 < patch.patch
2021-04-27T15:44:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhmm
2021-04-27T15:44:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://gist.github.com/Dudemanguy/c172394e30e1e7d0f477ad15c719bc71 christ this patch is big
2021-04-27T15:44:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Looks like it needs dbud
2021-04-27T15:45:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...aw wait, what???
2021-04-27T15:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> no fucking way
2021-04-27T15:45:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> To address this, the glib-thumbnailer patch sends a signal to dbus to generate thumbnails while the filechooser dialog is open.
2021-04-27T15:45:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's bullshit
2021-04-27T15:45:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-04-27T15:45:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmfao
2021-04-27T15:46:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a separate patch, no?
2021-04-27T15:46:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But looks like it's needed if you want it to be useful
2021-04-27T15:47:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> According to the readme
2021-04-27T15:48:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ragequit lol
2021-04-27T15:48:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-27T15:48:26 #kisslinux <kqz> oh no, not another "just shove it into dbus" solution
2021-04-27T15:48:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm working on getting the GTK2 patch working
2021-04-27T15:49:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it looks like it can use a program called tumbler to generate thumbnails without the need for dbus...
2021-04-27T15:50:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> They need to be pregenerated, else a default icon is shown
2021-04-27T15:50:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So it uses dbus to call the generator thing
2021-04-27T15:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, and tumbler is what's used for that. but it looks like tumbler requires dbus anyway....
2021-04-27T15:50:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's so fucking lame
2021-04-27T15:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> there has to be a dbus-less solution to this
2021-04-27T15:53:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tumbler doesn't seem to require dbus, not mentioned in arch depends
2021-04-27T15:53:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But the package description is literally "D-Bus service for applications to request thumbnails"
2021-04-27T15:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that's why I was just
2021-04-27T15:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "fuuuuuuuuuuck"
2021-04-27T15:53:59 #kisslinux <midfavila>   * glib-2.0 >= 2.16.0   * gio-2.0 >= 2.16.0   * gthread-2.0 >= 2.16.0   * dbus-1 >= 1.0.0   * dbus-glib-1 >= 0.72
2021-04-27T15:54:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> dependencies from the github repo
2021-04-27T15:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/ammonkey/tumbler-thumbnailer
2021-04-27T15:54:12 #kisslinux <kqz> hah, and there it is
2021-04-27T15:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is making me kind of angry
2021-04-27T15:54:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's literally no reason for this to be a dbus thing
2021-04-27T15:54:55 #kisslinux <kqz> i really hate how dbus is just relied so heavily across the gnome ecosystem, if they've had it their way the gnomes dev would implement **every** wayland protocol ontop of dbus
2021-04-27T15:54:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> make it a library that can be compiled into programs
2021-04-27T15:55:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ITS PART OF THE SPEC GEEZ GUYS: https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/DraftSpecs/ThumbnailerSpec?action=show&redirect=ThumbnailerSpec
2021-04-27T15:55:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao
2021-04-27T15:55:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> do I have to get my bayonet
2021-04-27T15:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I fucking will
2021-04-27T15:55:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean if you're gonna use it, might as well integrate it :v
2021-04-27T15:55:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my point!
2021-04-27T15:55:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "With a DBus specification for thumbnail management, applications don't have to implement thumbnail management themselves. If a thumbnailer is available they can delegate thumbnail work to a specialized service. The service then callbacks when it has finished generating the thumbnail. "
2021-04-27T15:55:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> gtk should have it as an optional dependency
2021-04-27T15:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> just add some fucking, idk
2021-04-27T15:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ifdefs? is that what's used for optional deps?
2021-04-27T15:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'add some fucking' -midfavila, 2021
2021-04-27T15:56:20 #kisslinux <kqz> ahahaha
2021-04-27T15:56:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and all the other options are in python!
2021-04-27T15:56:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is ridiculous
2021-04-27T15:56:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what- I'm adding a thumbnail generator to my list of projects
2021-04-27T15:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck this
2021-04-27T15:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> goddamn soydevs
2021-04-27T16:05:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> glhf :v
2021-04-27T16:06:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i wonder how "in-depth" the d-bus usage is.  maybe it could be shimmed out somehow like dylan's eiwd did to iwd?
2021-04-27T16:07:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> pidgin client test
2021-04-27T16:07:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> sorry this is the first channel i thought of
2021-04-27T16:13:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it requires the XFCE build tools, too
2021-04-27T16:13:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is equally as awful
2021-04-27T16:13:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is all of community rebuild during gcc updates too ?
2021-04-27T16:13:55 #kisslinux <kqz> haven't even looked at it yet, but imagine it wouldn't be too hard to use something ala imagemagick/ffmpeg as a wrapper to "thumbnailer" if it calls it directly
2021-04-27T16:13:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> eeeehhhh
2021-04-27T16:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> if ffmpeg could be used that would be nice
2021-04-27T16:14:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagemagick is less common
2021-04-27T16:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you would have to figure out how it calls tumbler and translate those calls into equivalent ffmpeg ones, then change the code so that it calls the support script...
2021-04-27T16:15:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and probably other stuff too
2021-04-27T16:15:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> the real question is, is there a spec describing how GTK handles thumbnails?
2021-04-27T16:16:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Isn't that the dbus thumbnailer spec thing omnious sent
2021-04-27T16:16:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's this too: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/thumbnail-spec/thumbnail-spec-latest.html
2021-04-27T16:16:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i didn't catch that, but I mean like... how are they represented on the filesystem?
2021-04-27T16:17:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> a thumbnail is just a downsized version of the image itself right? so it must be on the fs somewhere
2021-04-27T16:17:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://tecnocode.co.uk/2013/10/21/writing-a-gnome-thumbnailer/
2021-04-27T16:17:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as long as the thumbnails are there and proper, it doesn't matter *how* they get there
2021-04-27T16:20:18 #kisslinux <kqz> looks like pcmanfm uses ~/.cache/thumbnails atleast
2021-04-27T16:20:30 #kisslinux <kqz> no idea of the gtk filer chooser uses the same
2021-04-27T16:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now I just want to figure out the naming scheme and stuff
2021-04-27T16:22:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly, I can't see this being too difficult of a project, assuming that it's not depending on a dbus interface
2021-04-27T16:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> take the image as input to a conversion command, set it to output as 8bit antialiased PNG, do whatever the EXIF tags want, dump it in the proper place with the proper name
2021-04-27T16:23:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-27T16:24:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like it uses a URI embedded in the resulting PNG to indicate original file..? hm.
2021-04-27T16:25:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna have to go into hardcore hacking mode for this one
2021-04-27T16:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=KEkrWRHCDQU
2021-04-27T16:25:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> powerglove: activated
2021-04-27T16:51:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, I see what they do. they use MD5 and the URI of the original file to calculate a hash, then append .png
2021-04-27T17:12:20 #kisslinux <haversham> is anybody else having difficulty getting qemu to build?
2021-04-27T17:12:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> last time I tried it had checksum errors
2021-04-27T17:12:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> haven't bothered to check since
2021-04-27T17:13:29 #kisslinux <haversham> it compiles all the files then fails when trying to link them
2021-04-27T17:13:37 #kisslinux <haversham> i'll have to investigate
2021-04-27T17:14:14 #kisslinux <haversham> if anyone has a working qemu that's built for x86-64 would it be possible for you to export the kiss pkg and send it somehow
2021-04-27T17:24:36 #kisslinux <yabobay> so, i've just completed an install of kisslinux32, in virtualbox, and `ip link` will only show "lo" and "sit0", which does not work when trying to set up dhcpcd.
2021-04-27T17:24:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> i've configured my kernel's drivers according to the gentoo wiki for virtualbox
2021-04-27T17:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> my only suggestion is to try ifconfig
2021-04-27T17:25:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> ip is a pain in the ass
2021-04-27T17:25:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> ifconfig only shows lo :/
2021-04-27T17:25:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> ifconfig -a
2021-04-27T17:25:39 #kisslinux <yabobay> that shows sit0
2021-04-27T17:25:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> and lo
2021-04-27T17:25:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> dmesg | grep eth
2021-04-27T17:25:58 #kisslinux <kqz> if the device isn't showing up, that means it's a problem with the driver / firmware
2021-04-27T17:26:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-04-27T17:26:03 #kisslinux <kqz> or just straight up the device isn't there ;d
2021-04-27T17:26:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> TIL about shell parameter expansion
2021-04-27T17:26:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> hmm. im suddenly considering just taking some distribution kernel
2021-04-27T17:27:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> hah, have fun setting up an initrd and transferring all the modules
2021-04-27T17:27:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> yup, especially considering i don't know what an initrd is or where modules go
2021-04-27T17:27:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> is there some documentation for doing this?
2021-04-27T17:27:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> none that I can link you to
2021-04-27T17:27:54 #kisslinux <kqz> what i would do is boot up an arch iso, once booted up do "dmesg | grep eth0" and look at the lines around whatever comes up, should give you a hint at what modules/driver u need
2021-04-27T17:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't bother with modules or initrd
2021-04-27T17:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> huge kernel gang
2021-04-27T17:28:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I isolate the firmware for my devices I'll disable firmware loading too
2021-04-27T17:28:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> 6mb kernel gang
2021-04-27T17:28:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> i feel like i know less than nothing about linux haha
2021-04-27T17:28:43 #kisslinux <kqz> i have a chonky 14.5 mb kernel rn ;d
2021-04-27T17:28:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> bloat
2021-04-27T17:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the fuck
2021-04-27T17:28:50 #kisslinux <kqz> thought it is LTO'd in my defense, so not all my fault
2021-04-27T17:28:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> delete your hardware
2021-04-27T17:28:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> so is mine
2021-04-27T17:28:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> kekw
2021-04-27T17:29:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i compile all my drivers and firmware into my kernels and enable a ton of extra shit
2021-04-27T17:29:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and even my fattest kernel is like
2021-04-27T17:29:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> 11mb
2021-04-27T17:29:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think mine is 5mb, or 3.5
2021-04-27T17:29:33 #kisslinux <kqz> 6.5 mb with LTO? you are a magician ;d
2021-04-27T17:29:37 #kisslinux <yabobay> do y'all just do `du` on your kernels i would never even think to look
2021-04-27T17:29:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> Call me Magic Mike
2021-04-27T17:29:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ls -lh is how I check filesize
2021-04-27T17:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i only use du to check the size of directories
2021-04-27T17:30:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> or
2021-04-27T17:30:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the case of my /etc/profile
2021-04-27T17:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> set repos
2021-04-27T17:30:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-04-27T17:30:30 #kisslinux <kqz> i only have the amdgpu firmware for my card and the iwlwifi firmware for my wifi, no idea how big those blobs are though
2021-04-27T17:30:32 #kisslinux <yabobay> yknow initially i tried out kisslinux literally just for lols and one day later i actually care
2021-04-27T17:30:46 #kisslinux <zenomat> Been there, done that
2021-04-27T17:30:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss has sovl
2021-04-27T17:30:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> sovl?
2021-04-27T17:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> come for the meme, stay for the dream
2021-04-27T17:31:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> !!!
2021-04-27T17:31:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam that should be our slogan
2021-04-27T17:31:25 #kisslinux <kqz> i moved to kiss because gentoo got in my way too much of using a clang/llvm/musl/nongnu toolchain, and then found wyverkiss which was even better ;d
2021-04-27T17:31:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> gentoo is a pain in the ass
2021-04-27T17:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never even used it but I have friends who do
2021-04-27T17:31:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again, I doubt it's as bad as source mage
2021-04-27T17:31:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> source mage is...
2021-04-27T17:32:01 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders
2021-04-27T17:32:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gentoo ebuilds are so big
2021-04-27T17:32:51 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah...writing gentoo ebuilds...never again
2021-04-27T17:34:05 #kisslinux <yabobay> kqz: ok so i'm finally doing what you recommended to do, and it says " PCnet/FAST III 79C973 "
2021-04-27T17:34:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> this is not what gentoo wiki said
2021-04-27T17:34:13 #kisslinux <yabobay> is this probably it ?
2021-04-27T17:34:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> likely
2021-04-27T17:34:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> maybe cause im using an outdated kernel
2021-04-27T17:34:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> doubtful
2021-04-27T17:34:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> i always do stupid stuff like this and it ends up causing problems when i never expect it to
2021-04-27T17:34:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> vmware's virtual interfaces emulate ancient and well-supported hardware
2021-04-27T17:34:59 #kisslinux <yabobay> might just upgrade as last resort
2021-04-27T17:35:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly,
2021-04-27T17:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> my suggestion for you is to not use a VM for KISS
2021-04-27T17:35:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> just a regular old chroot
2021-04-27T17:35:21 #kisslinux <kqz> might be, i would also try to do "dmesg | grep -i Ethernet"
2021-04-27T17:35:24 #kisslinux <kqz> see what else pops up
2021-04-27T17:35:39 #kisslinux <kqz> not familiar enough with vbox drivers to say for sure if that's the correct driver to look for ;d
2021-04-27T17:35:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> nothing pops up from that
2021-04-27T17:36:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i didn't have any issue with kiss in a virtualbox vm, but it was 64-bit
2021-04-27T17:36:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Check your host distro's dmesg
2021-04-27T17:36:18 #kisslinux <yabobay> midfavila: it's like, i'm using a VM cause i don't have any spare machines, and i really honestly want to try kiss for a long time before i see if i like it enough to switch to it.
2021-04-27T17:36:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> use it in a chroot then
2021-04-27T17:36:38 #kisslinux <yabobay> can i run Xorg *from* the chroot?
2021-04-27T17:36:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-04-27T17:36:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 99% sure you can
2021-04-27T17:36:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> since it passes through device nodes and all that
2021-04-27T17:37:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually, no, you totes can
2021-04-27T17:37:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've done it before
2021-04-27T17:37:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can
2021-04-27T17:37:34 #kisslinux <yabobay> tbh why i even care about kiss linux is it reminds me so much of bonsai when that was a thing.
2021-04-27T17:37:39 #kisslinux <yabobay> is it like a fork or something?
2021-04-27T17:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-27T17:37:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS is independent
2021-04-27T17:38:43 #kisslinux <miskatonic> there are forks of kisslinux, though
2021-04-27T17:38:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> the whole appeal for me actually isnt the fact it's so lite, but that it has super easy package writing
2021-04-27T17:39:28 #kisslinux <yabobay> cause otherwise i'd just use alpine or something
2021-04-27T17:40:46 #kisslinux <kqz> you could always just install kiss (the package manager) on alpine if you wanted to get hacky with it, ymmv though
2021-04-27T17:41:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> ymmv?
2021-04-27T17:41:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> your mileage may vary
2021-04-27T17:41:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could set KISS_ROOT= so that you don't have collisions between KISS packages and alpine packages
2021-04-27T17:41:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah but then i'd have to mess with my path wouldn't i
2021-04-27T17:41:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can run graphical apps in a chroot by using xhost
2021-04-27T17:41:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> (in community)
2021-04-27T17:42:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> not too much...
2021-04-27T17:42:05 #kisslinux <tink> could try installing on a usb stick, better than a chroot and vbox
2021-04-27T17:42:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I never needed xhost for some reason, just export DISPLAY=:0 works
2021-04-27T17:42:43 #kisslinux <yabobay> tink: oh shish you're right! i'm gonna get to work to do that right about now
2021-04-27T17:43:09 #kisslinux <yabobay> that way even if i don't switch to it i can have a nice non-amnesiac live stick which is something i have wanted
2021-04-27T17:44:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> and if i do that, i can also port whatever i need before i start using it
2021-04-27T17:50:20 #kisslinux <tink> i found myself installing kiss on a usb stick when i wanted to have a very small system that i could use on any computer simply by plugging it into a usb port as i had access to a lot of semi-public computers which were mostly mac and had software that restricted the user to an annoying degree. then i realized i'd have to build a bloated kernel for that, so i screwed the idea but still installed it on the usb drive with a kernel specific to my laptop. it's a
2021-04-27T17:50:20 #kisslinux <tink> pretty fun experience.
2021-04-27T17:50:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> if you wanted to use it on a lot of devices, wouldn't you just get a distribution kernel?
2021-04-27T17:51:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can refer to kiss-live for a live USB KISS img
2021-04-27T17:51:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-04-27T17:51:41 #kisslinux <yabobay> where's that?
2021-04-27T17:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> github
2021-04-27T17:51:51 #kisslinux <yabobay> plus the whole point of this is trying to install it myself isn't it ?
2021-04-27T17:53:42 #kisslinux <yabobay> midfavila: is it the repo by eudaldgr? that's the one i found after searching github
2021-04-27T17:54:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> go check it out
2021-04-27T17:54:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm kind of busy atm
2021-04-27T17:54:39 #kisslinux <tink> i liked kiss a lot, wanted to go with it. my plan was to have a permanent storage, so i'd be carrying my pc with me everywhere.
2021-04-27T17:55:51 #kisslinux <tink> i could actually keep using it this way, booting from the usb drive but it might just have a higher power consumption than an ssd.
2021-04-27T17:59:32 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I have difficulties telling Dilyn from Dylan
2021-04-27T18:02:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> dilyn is actually dylan
2021-04-27T18:02:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> believe it or not
2021-04-27T18:03:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> does anyone have a XDG-compliant thumbnail I can look at?
2021-04-27T18:04:57 #kisslinux <jslick> tink I've experienced flicking on UHD graphics on one laptop.  I've read one suggestion to specify i915.enable_psr=0 kernel option and another to specify i915.mitigations=off .  So I've done that, but haven't rebooted yet to try it
2021-04-27T18:06:25 #kisslinux <tink> jslick: I see, though in my case the screen starts blinking even before booting into any OSes, so it's probably a different issue.
2021-04-27T18:07:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's very easy to tell us apart. One of us is very competent and talented, the other is here
2021-04-27T18:14:58 #kisslinux <jslick> oh, hmmm... yours might be a hardware issue
2021-04-27T18:21:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila https://0x0.st/-mkp.png
2021-04-27T18:22:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> that file was "~/.thumbnails/normal/fc68412132e3f63a580f99ef9c9eae3b.png"
2021-04-27T18:23:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm...
2021-04-27T18:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> I read the XDG spec posted earlier and it talks about Thumb:: tags, but I've never seen a PNG image with anything like that embedded
2021-04-27T18:23:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> and another worrying thing is that after making a compliant thumbnail using imagemagick, the patched gtk2 still isn't displaying it...
2021-04-27T18:24:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> here's the original file: https://0x0.st/-mkV.jpg
2021-04-27T18:25:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it was under "/home/sandy/downloads/wild_west_plane.jpg" if that helps with the hash generation
2021-04-27T18:27:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't know if 0x0.st does any metadata stripping, i don't /think/ they do...
2021-04-27T18:29:47 #kisslinux <kqz> man, wayfire is super cute
2021-04-27T18:29:53 #kisslinux <kqz> all the fancy effects!!
2021-04-27T18:31:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmmmm....
2021-04-27T18:31:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> any luck?
2021-04-27T18:31:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-27T18:31:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> gonna try generating it at higher sizes
2021-04-27T18:35:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> here's the hexdump of the thumbnail: http://ix.io/3gsf
2021-04-27T18:36:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it has Thumb::URI and Thumb:MTime
2021-04-27T18:36:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, I saw
2021-04-27T18:37:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll compare that to a hexdump of the image I have
2021-04-27T18:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it looks like 0x0.st must be stripping metadata
2021-04-27T18:39:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> the hexdump on my end has no mention of thumb or anything similiar
2021-04-27T18:39:48 #kisslinux * midfavila groans
2021-04-27T18:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, no, I'm not willing to generate and apply exif data using shell
2021-04-27T18:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't even know if it uses dbus to generate it, or if it uses dbus to *load* it
2021-04-27T18:44:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> I surrender, XDG. You win
2021-04-27T18:44:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i think an app sends a signal to dbus to alert a thumbnailer service to generate it and then dbus uses a callback to tell the signaller when the thumbnail is done?
2021-04-27T18:45:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means that the program probably waits for that second signal before attempting to access the resource
2021-04-27T18:45:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yup i'd agree
2021-04-27T18:45:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, it probably wouldn't even wait
2021-04-27T18:45:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the first signal fails it just assumes it doesn't have access to dbus
2021-04-27T18:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> which means there's literally no way to have thumbnails in gtk without dbus, as is
2021-04-27T18:46:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or has a placeholder image it uses until a callback comes in
2021-04-27T18:46:08 #kisslinux * midfavila groooooooooooooooooooooooooooooans
2021-04-27T18:46:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> my only hope now is stlwrt
2021-04-27T18:46:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't know if the apps do any verification on the loading side (after callback) or if they just load whatever filename dbus spits out
2021-04-27T18:47:35 #kisslinux <kqz> may stlwrt save us from the plague that is dbus
2021-04-27T18:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still don't understand why gtk wouldn't just include ffmpeg as a optional dep
2021-04-27T18:47:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> generate a function to use ffmpeg to generate audiovisual thumbnails
2021-04-27T18:47:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then call that
2021-04-27T18:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually, no, I know exactly why they don't do that
2021-04-27T18:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that's too fucking simple
2021-04-27T18:49:03 #kisslinux <kqz> hahahaha, really  though whenever i see these things implemented with dbus,  i just can't understand the motivation
2021-04-27T18:49:10 #kisslinux <kqz> seems needlessly complicated for such a function
2021-04-27T18:49:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh eyepeesee!
2021-04-27T18:49:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "do one thing and do it well" -- generating thumbnails is not part of that "one thing", so you have to let something else do that and communicate over an IPC bus (a third thing) to do that one thing
2021-04-27T18:49:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> let's ignore that there's at least *three* options for IPC under UNIX...
2021-04-27T18:50:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's why I said it should be *optional*, ominous
2021-04-27T18:50:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not saying make gtk compute that stuff itself
2021-04-27T18:50:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g copy paste the code
2021-04-27T18:50:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> use ffmpeg to do it
2021-04-27T18:50:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh i'm agreeing with you
2021-04-27T18:50:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-04-27T18:50:42 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-04-27T18:51:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's ways they could've made it a lot more portable, but they chose to tie themselves to dbus
2021-04-27T18:51:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> FVWM is going to be implementing its own IPC
2021-04-27T18:51:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is amusing
2021-04-27T18:51:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's called "Cap'n Proto!"
2021-04-27T18:53:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> or, well, technically it's a data serialization protocol
2021-04-27T18:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but whatever
2021-04-27T18:53:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> for... what?  saving window states or something?
2021-04-27T18:54:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> for whatever you want
2021-04-27T18:54:59 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah, if it's anything like sway/i3's ipc, the sky's the limit ;d
2021-04-27T18:55:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-04-27T18:55:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't be surprising if FVWM was turing complete
2021-04-27T18:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-27T18:55:34 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://capnproto.org/ this reads like an april fool's joke lol
2021-04-27T18:55:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, apparently it's a thing
2021-04-27T18:57:33 #kisslinux <kqz> oof, when i read "binary" it triggers my systemd journald related trauma
2021-04-27T18:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently FVWM can use Go to generate a debugging interface too
2021-04-27T18:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is hilarious
2021-04-27T18:57:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> a window manager, written in C, extended in Perl, using Ruby to generate docs, and Go for a debugger
2021-04-27T18:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> like
2021-04-27T18:58:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you have enough fucking languages
2021-04-27T18:58:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, and we can't forget the pipe out to shell
2021-04-27T18:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that's at least five
2021-04-27T18:58:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it has support for Tcl/Tk, so that's six
2021-04-27T18:59:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway gtg
2021-04-27T18:59:15 #kisslinux <kqz> cu
2021-04-27T20:57:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm doing a live stick of KISS as discussed earlier. once it's done, could i technically just backup the whole thing into a tarball and just deploy that again on the same usb stick if i had deleted its contents?
2021-04-27T20:58:03 #kisslinux <yabobay> this is more of a general linux question i think
2021-04-27T20:58:20 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's UEFI
2021-04-27T21:06:26 #kisslinux <aarng> scheiss schnell
2021-04-27T21:06:41 #kisslinux <aarng> lol, wrong chan
2021-04-27T21:06:45 #kisslinux <yabobay> lmao
2021-04-27T21:07:40 #kisslinux <aarng> yabobay: you should be able to do that
2021-04-27T21:08:13 #kisslinux <aarng> but depending on what "deleted its contents" means, you might have to change boot entries and fstab
2021-04-27T21:08:28 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah, with the same partitions
2021-04-27T21:08:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> just for like, if i mess with the system too much
2021-04-27T21:08:45 #kisslinux <yabobay> i can revert to the old one
2021-04-27T21:09:15 #kisslinux <yabobay> that should require no extra effort apart from unpacking the tarball into it right?
2021-04-27T21:13:03 #kisslinux <aarng> if you packed everything up correctly (permissions), it should work
2021-04-27T21:14:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah im gonna have to look up how to do that stuff
2021-04-27T21:14:44 #kisslinux <aarng> I wouldn't know of the top of my head either
2021-04-27T21:15:13 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mainly use 7z so i *definitely* cant use that for this
2021-04-27T21:16:48 #kisslinux <yabobay> btw unrelated, what does "kiss orphans" do? i dont get it. is it the same thing as "kiss repo-orphans"?
2021-04-27T21:19:30 #kisslinux <aarng> repo-orphans shows packages which are not in any of your repos anymore
2021-04-27T21:19:51 #kisslinux <aarng> which can happen when packages get dropped by the maintainer for instance
2021-04-27T21:20:54 #kisslinux <yabobay> i get that, so what does the `orphans` command do?
2021-04-27T21:21:10 #kisslinux <aarng> normal orphans are just packages which are not a dependency of any other package
2021-04-27T21:21:38 #kisslinux <yabobay> does that list include explicitly-installed packages?
2021-04-27T21:21:44 #kisslinux <aarng> yes
2021-04-27T21:22:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> hmm
2021-04-27T21:22:13 #kisslinux <aarng> you just gotta know your packages to figure out actual orphans from that list
2021-04-27T21:22:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> i figure that wouldn't be a lot of effort for the typical kiss linux user but i would probably be having a fewwww more packages
2021-04-27T21:27:34 #kisslinux <aarng> you can also recursively grep in all depend files to figure out if a certain package is an actual dependency or not
2021-04-27T21:28:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm looking at this kiss-rmdeps script and i'll probably use it but it's not quiteeee what i want
2021-04-27T21:29:57 #kisslinux <yabobay> btw, anyone know if networkmanager is packaged anywhere?
2021-04-27T21:36:17 #kisslinux <jslick> networkmanager is in https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde , but I'm not sure if the build currently works
2021-04-27T21:37:03 #kisslinux <yabobay> plus i'm not sure if i'm interested in turning on a kde repo just for nm
2021-04-27T21:38:41 #kisslinux <jslick> I don't think it actually depends on kde stuff; I think perhaps its there because there are other packages in that repo that depend on it (maybe optionally)
2021-04-27T21:38:58 #kisslinux <jslick> but yeah, I found that wpa_supplicant works just fine in my use case
2021-04-27T21:39:37 #kisslinux <yabobay> for me i was never able to get it working on anything
2021-04-27T21:39:44 #kisslinux <yabobay> i will try it again before trying to get nm tho
2021-04-27T21:42:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm trying to quickly package something for myself, and i wanna know if i'm supposed to use the full url in "sources" or use the version variable in place of the version in the url?
2021-04-27T21:42:51 #kisslinux <yabobay> what's the style standard
2021-04-27T21:44:49 #kisslinux <jslick> https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/kiss/style-guide
2021-04-27T21:46:38 #kisslinux <yabobay> doesn't say anything like that so i guess i dont do it
2021-04-27T21:47:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> nm is in that repo because if you want KDE you probably want nm
2021-04-27T21:48:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it 'should' work, but who really knows. eudaldgr might, they have provided patches. so I'd assume it works at least a little
2021-04-27T21:48:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> in OTHER news, you guys ever rebuild an entire GCC system and then forget which of your terminals was in the chroot and then install every single binary to your wyverkiss system? that was a fun thing to recover from
2021-04-27T21:49:34 #kisslinux <jslick> idk, I tried to build it once w/o the kde stuff and I couldn't get 75% of stuff in that repo to build :P
2021-04-27T21:49:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> oho jeez
2021-04-27T21:50:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> the sources file does not respect $2 (version), so use the full URL
2021-04-27T21:50:43 #kisslinux <yabobay> the only reason i even thought to ask was because - of course - bonsai
2021-04-27T21:51:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would work if we, say, built the sources file *into* the build file
2021-04-27T21:52:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah in bOnsAi it was all one file if i remember correctly
2021-04-27T21:52:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah most (all?) other package managers just use the one file...
2021-04-27T21:52:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> apkbuilds, pkgbuilds, whateverbuilds...
2021-04-27T21:52:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> still it was like 5 lines
2021-04-27T21:52:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> is there a tangible unix philosophy *need* for having it be separate files?
2021-04-27T21:53:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> im not trynna provoke or debate it im just curious
2021-04-27T21:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> one reason I prefer it this way is clarity
2021-04-27T21:53:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, imagine cbindgen's sources list being in `build`
2021-04-27T21:53:58 #kisslinux <zenomat> in my oppinion, the way it is done in kiss is way more readable
2021-04-27T21:54:35 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah like if something has multiple sources?
2021-04-27T21:54:37 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah i get that
2021-04-27T21:55:46 #kisslinux <yabobay> i could've picked something that *wasn't* from 2009 as my first thing to package, i have no idea how to compile this
2021-04-27T21:56:09 #kisslinux <zenomat> what are you trying to package?
2021-04-27T21:56:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> microemacs
2021-04-27T21:57:23 #kisslinux <yabobay> and i have a sneaking suspicion that this is mainly for DOS too and unix on the side
2021-04-27T21:58:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> maybe take a look at this file under 1.2: https://www.aquest.com/emacs.pdf
2021-04-27T21:59:18 #kisslinux <yabobay> aquest.com? i cant even tell where this software comes from wow
2021-04-27T22:00:17 #kisslinux <zenomat> was the website linked in the wikipedia article, so I took a guess^^
2021-04-27T22:00:27 #kisslinux <zenomat> but why microemacs and not emacs?
2021-04-27T22:00:58 #kisslinux <yabobay> not emacs because i will install that later
2021-04-27T22:01:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> this is just right now for while i install
2021-04-27T22:01:21 #kisslinux <yabobay> plus i dont think i saw an emacs-nox package and i dont wanna pull all those dependencies yet
2021-04-27T22:02:11 #kisslinux <yabobay> i guess i could see whatever AUR does
2021-04-27T22:02:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> we used to have one
2021-04-27T22:02:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> but then?
2021-04-27T22:02:44 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes, aur is a good resource. arch pkgbuilds too
2021-04-27T22:03:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> e28f1070b2db4a209b23d76b9a10443716b1c8c4
2021-04-27T22:03:07 #kisslinux <yabobay> the AUR uses the kernel.org version
2021-04-27T22:03:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> reasons. you can revert that commit to get it back
2021-04-27T22:11:41 #kisslinux <yabobay> aha! i have compiled mg, which will do
2021-04-27T22:14:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> dude if i wanna provide packages, i'm gonna have to learn git ughhh
2021-04-27T22:18:47 #kisslinux <m3g> rip touchpad after 48 days uptime
2021-04-27T22:20:03 #kisslinux <yabobay> if something is a dependency for compile time AND run time, do i list it as a compile time dependency or a runtime dependency?
2021-04-27T22:27:17 #kisslinux <aarng> the latter, i.e. don't prefix with make
2021-04-27T22:27:44 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh okay
2021-04-27T22:30:18 #kisslinux <aarng> actually, I'm not sure anymore
2021-04-27T22:30:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> uh-oh
2021-04-27T22:33:23 #kisslinux <aarng> https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/blob/master/kiss#L1240-L1241
2021-04-27T22:36:18 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I was right
2021-04-27T22:42:10 #kisslinux <yabobay> im trynna compile libbsd and its spitting weird errors and they dont have much documentation and i dont think there's any place i can go to ask for help specifically for this library so can i just ask here
2021-04-27T22:42:22 #kisslinux <yabobay> and/or where else can i ask these sorts of things
2021-04-27T22:50:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> dont ask to ask questions. just ask, if this is not the right channel people would point that out
2021-04-27T22:53:21 #kisslinux <yabobay> ok so
2021-04-27T22:53:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> https://pastebin.com/ekssEifM : this is the output of ./configure and make on libbsd 0.10.0 under opensuse. can anyone explain what is going on?
2021-04-27T22:56:22 #kisslinux <zenomat> doesnt look wring to me, or is something not working? you mentioned weird errors?
2021-04-27T22:56:37 #kisslinux <zenomat> s/wring/wrong
2021-04-27T22:56:50 #kisslinux <yabobay> the output of make doesnt actually do anything
2021-04-27T22:56:59 #kisslinux <yabobay> it gets into a directory, says "welp idk" and leaves
2021-04-27T22:58:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> truly a mystery for the ages
2021-04-27T23:01:51 #kisslinux <zenomat> i am trying to compile it, but i get a whole different error....
2021-04-27T23:02:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> what do you get?
2021-04-27T23:02:19 #kisslinux <zenomat> 'configure: error: cannot find required MD5 functions in libc or libmd'
2021-04-27T23:02:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh yeah
2021-04-27T23:02:29 #kisslinux <yabobay> i had that using the latest version
2021-04-27T23:03:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> i didnt try the latest version first cause 0.10.0 was what my distro uses and it works for compiling mg so i figured it should work right?
2021-04-27T23:03:06 #kisslinux <zenomat> yep, the older version works
2021-04-27T23:03:15 #kisslinux <yabobay> wait does it compile?
2021-04-27T23:03:31 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes, it compiles
2021-04-27T23:03:35 #kisslinux <yabobay> huh
2021-04-27T23:03:40 #kisslinux <yabobay> i assume you're running kiss linux?
2021-04-27T23:03:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> to do this task i mean
2021-04-27T23:04:09 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes, tho the glibc version of it. in the arch packagbuild it lists glibc as a dependency, so maybe that?
2021-04-27T23:04:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> you would want https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86_64/libmd
2021-04-27T23:04:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> presumably glibc implements this, and musl does not
2021-04-27T23:04:55 #kisslinux <yabobay> hm.
2021-04-27T23:05:04 #kisslinux <yabobay> but my opensuse thing definitely has glibc i think
2021-04-27T23:05:15 #kisslinux <yabobay> so it should've worked on that?
2021-04-27T23:05:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean
2021-04-27T23:05:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have no idea what SuSE does
2021-04-27T23:05:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> so maybe(tm)
2021-04-27T23:05:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> im gonna try to install libmd as well then
2021-04-27T23:06:00 #kisslinux <yabobay> it is in the same dir as is the libbsd release
2021-04-27T23:08:14 #kisslinux <yabobay> libmd makes the same errors
2021-04-27T23:08:30 #kisslinux <yabobay> im gonna try libmd on kiss
2021-04-27T23:09:25 #kisslinux <zenomat> maybe try the thing from apline that dilyn send
2021-04-27T23:09:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mean
2021-04-27T23:09:51 #kisslinux <yabobay> that's what i *think* im doing
2021-04-27T23:10:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> why do you need libbsd anyways?
2021-04-27T23:10:43 #kisslinux <yabobay> for mg
2021-04-27T23:10:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> aah
2021-04-27T23:11:20 #kisslinux <yabobay> i could just find a different emacs to port but i wanna exhaust everything i (you) can think of first because why not
2021-04-27T23:14:23 #kisslinux <yabobay> i'm just gonna find a different emacs to port
2021-04-27T23:14:48 #kisslinux <zenomat> that was quick^^
2021-04-27T23:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-27T23:15:18 #kisslinux <yabobay> i mean, i dont have any other ideas
2021-04-27T23:15:21 #kisslinux <yabobay> do you?
2021-04-27T23:16:07 #kisslinux <yabobay> aha, i will port joe editor
2021-04-27T23:16:16 #kisslinux <yabobay> it has a emacs-like mode
2021-04-27T23:16:49 #kisslinux <yabobay> uh-ohhh sourceforge how am i gonna make this download on kiss
2021-04-27T23:18:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> maybe copy the donwload link, that your browser uses to download the file?
2021-04-27T23:18:52 #kisslinux <yabobay> it's some weird browser-y stuff, not a direct link to a file
2021-04-27T23:18:56 #kisslinux <yabobay> why would anyone do this
2021-04-27T23:20:44 #kisslinux <yabobay> kiss linux has made me stay up until 2AM for 3 consecutive days
2021-04-27T23:21:27 #kisslinux <zenomat> Me too, isnt it magical
2021-04-27T23:22:02 #kisslinux <yabobay> more like keep it stupid linux >:((((
2021-04-27T23:23:00 #kisslinux <zenomat> Huh?
2021-04-27T23:23:05 #kisslinux <yabobay> idk
2021-04-27T23:23:23 #kisslinux <yabobay> joe editor doesnt compile anyway
2021-04-27T23:24:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay back
2021-04-27T23:24:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> had to buy groceries and make more responsible financial decisions
2021-04-27T23:24:40 #kisslinux <zenomat> I get yhay that is frustrating. Whats the problem now yabobay?
2021-04-27T23:26:01 #kisslinux <yabobay> i dont even know,, i closed the terminal anyway. im just gonna get nano or something tomorrow
2021-04-27T23:26:06 #kisslinux <yabobay> i kinda just wanna go to sleep now
2021-04-27T23:26:30 #kisslinux <yabobay> prolly gonna stick with vi for the remainder of installing kiss linux
2021-04-27T23:26:46 #kisslinux <zenomat> Alright. Then have a good night
2021-04-27T23:27:19 #kisslinux <yabobay> thanks
2021-04-27T23:27:47 #kisslinux <yabobay> i've never given up on a goal so abruptly and completely. does this mean im growing up
2021-04-27T23:28:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> Thats a little far fetched. Maybe you are just tired and frustrated, that nothing worked. Just sleep a night over it
2021-04-27T23:29:33 #kisslinux <yabobay> yeah true. im gonna go now. i always had the misconception that irc was now all about just getting the work done and nothing else, but y'all are nice. cya
2021-04-27T23:29:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> I have been in that situation. My polybar wouldnt build and I didnt know why, got frustrated. But then I decided to go to sleep and fogured it out in the morning
2021-04-27T23:30:20 #kisslinux <zenomat> Thanks :) Sleep well
2021-04-27T23:30:25 #kisslinux <yabobay> oh im prolly not gonna work on it more tomorrow tho
2021-04-27T23:30:29 #kisslinux <yabobay> maybe at a later time
2021-04-27T23:30:45 #kisslinux <yabobay> and if i do i'll just look for a different emacs
2021-04-27T23:32:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh MY GOD
2021-04-27T23:32:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> 144hz is so smooth
2021-04-27T23:32:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> why is setting this refresh rate so easy in xorg smh
2021-04-27T23:32:36 #kisslinux <zenomat> I want a new monitor...
2021-04-27T23:32:49 #kisslinux <zenomat> But I cant really justify it...
2021-04-27T23:35:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly high refresh rate is nice
2021-04-27T23:36:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'd take higher resolution and greater color accuracy myself
2021-04-27T23:36:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd been living on 60hz for so long, I had no idea what I was missing
2021-04-27T23:37:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> why only choose one mid?
2021-04-27T23:37:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> I chose all 3 :v
2021-04-27T23:37:42 #kisslinux <kqz> lol same, love my monitor
2021-04-27T23:38:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> because all three is extremely expensive
2021-04-27T23:38:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I already spend an unhealthy amount of money on computer equipment
2021-04-27T23:38:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dropped another sixty today on a set of stereo bookshelf speakers and a decent external amp-thing
2021-04-27T23:38:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> (amp-thing is the technical term)
2021-04-27T23:39:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> only $60??
2021-04-27T23:39:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> my amp cost more than $60 s m h
2021-04-27T23:39:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> what speakers?
2021-04-27T23:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> some older sanyo ones
2021-04-27T23:39:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're nothing amazing, but they're acceptable. loud and fairly clear
2021-04-27T23:40:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the central unit they connect to is nifty. has a built in cassette player and CD player, plus an AM and FM radio
2021-04-27T23:40:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> not very unixy
2021-04-27T23:40:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and connectors for additional speakers, so you can do full surround sound if you really wanted. and there's headphone passthrough, too, which is killer
2021-04-27T23:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/810270548999274506/836742434095890502/IMG_20210427_201228.jpg
2021-04-27T23:41:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> pardon the awful photo quality
2021-04-27T23:41:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> my phone's camera is...
2021-04-27T23:41:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> er... it exists.
2021-04-27T23:41:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> classic look
2021-04-27T23:42:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> that whole aesthetic is giving me great-grandma vibes
2021-04-27T23:42:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm kind of going for the techy-boomer aesthetic
2021-04-27T23:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just need a cat clock and a bookshelf
2021-04-27T23:43:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it will be complete
2021-04-27T23:43:55 #kisslinux <zenomat> Alright, Im off for today. Bye
2021-04-27T23:43:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> you're so committed to your identity i love it
2021-04-27T23:43:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn zenomat
2021-04-27T23:44:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> comfiness is of maximal importance to me
2021-04-27T23:45:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i must be lucky that i find minimalism comfy
2021-04-27T23:46:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> see,
2021-04-27T23:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's the thing
2021-04-27T23:46:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would consider my setup largely "minimalist"
2021-04-27T23:46:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> because nothing is there without a purpose
2021-04-27T23:46:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> that just means it's like, efficacious
2021-04-27T23:46:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> minimalism is like 'i only own one spoon because *i only need the one*'
2021-04-27T23:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, to an extent, sure
2021-04-27T23:48:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't think minimalism is about stripping away everything that isn't *purely* necessary
2021-04-27T23:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd call that asceticism
2021-04-27T23:48:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> `WARNING: Nodejs is required to build QtWebEngine.` what the fricken frack qt
2021-04-27T23:48:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that qt tribe bad
2021-04-27T23:49:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-04-27T23:49:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a reminder from gtk tribe
2021-04-27T23:49:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> minimalists just wouldn't see the function in having five spoons in a two-person household
2021-04-27T23:49:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i take your point. it's a fine line.
2021-04-27T23:50:03 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-04-27T23:50:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think I'm somewhere between meme minimalism and pragmatism
2021-04-27T23:50:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/emersion/kanshi/blob/master/kanshi.5.scd it IS just as easy on wayland. haha, suckers
2021-04-27T23:50:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure. that's how I take it
2021-04-27T23:50:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> bare minimum to get a job done in a comfortable fashion
2021-04-27T23:50:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, I only own one pair of speakers. but they're seven hundred dollar speakers
2021-04-27T23:51:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> and i will never need anything more, forever
2021-04-27T23:51:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd invest in better speakers, but I've never had external speakers before
2021-04-27T23:51:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I wanted to see if they were worth it
2021-04-27T23:51:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> before I dropped 10x the price
2021-04-27T23:52:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> usually
2021-04-27T23:52:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i couldn't use speakers for years because if they were even a sliver over muted my stepdad would yell at me for having them up too loud :v so six years without speakers :'(
2021-04-27T23:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually no
2021-04-27T23:52:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait
2021-04-27T23:52:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a lie
2021-04-27T23:52:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i had dell speakers when I was like
2021-04-27T23:52:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> five
2021-04-27T23:52:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> EW
2021-04-27T23:52:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> talk about asceticism
2021-04-27T23:53:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still remember one morning where I woke up early, snuck downstairs to log onto my PC at like 6:30AM
2021-04-27T23:53:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> forgot that the speakers were cranked to max volume
2021-04-27T23:53:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> turned my PC on
2021-04-27T23:53:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> aw jeez
2021-04-27T23:53:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and was promptly woken up by the loudest windows XP bootup jingle in the history of man
2021-04-27T23:53:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, although I'll say this
2021-04-27T23:53:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm glad my soundcard has RCA jacks
2021-04-27T23:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> made hooking these speakers up ezpz
2021-04-27T23:56:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> only two complaints about them tbh
2021-04-27T23:56:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> one, the main unit is too tall (not a big deal)
2021-04-27T23:56:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> two, the speakers themselves sound somewhat muffled. not sure if they're blown-out or just not great.
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