2021-03-31T00:08:11 #kisslinux <zola> Can someone recomend a lighter browser than chromium and firefox and derivatives?
2021-03-31T00:08:41 #kisslinux <zola> Firefox has been compiling for the past 2 hours, and i am already sick of it
2021-03-31T00:18:46 #kisslinux <riteo> mhh
2021-03-31T00:19:02 #kisslinux <riteo> if you want a complete experience, I doubt
2021-03-31T00:19:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> depends, do you need full features?
2021-03-31T00:19:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-31T00:19:38 #kisslinux <riteo> if you're ok with subpar browsing there are like browsers using qt and gtk's webviews iirc
2021-03-31T00:19:47 #kisslinux <riteo> like suckless' surf
2021-03-31T00:21:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> If you don't 'need' firefox compiled from source you can download the kiss pkg from repo-bin
2021-03-31T00:21:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> I can quick make a bin package for it as well
2021-03-31T00:21:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> (thought I had done it before I left home but... Guess I never pushed it)
2021-03-31T00:22:15 #kisslinux <riteo> oooh, did you separe bin packages from community=
2021-03-31T00:22:21 #kisslinux <riteo> s/=/?
2021-03-31T00:22:22 #kisslinux <kissbot> <riteo> oooh, did you separe bin packages from community?
2021-03-31T00:22:26 #kisslinux <riteo> what
2021-03-31T00:22:51 #kisslinux <riteo> OH
2021-03-31T00:23:14 #kisslinux <riteo> I really didn't know that was a thing, I like, thought it was a convention or something for specific client
2021-03-31T00:23:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2021-03-31T00:23:21 #kisslinux <riteo> s/client/clients/
2021-03-31T00:23:22 #kisslinux <kissbot> <riteo> I really didn't know that was a thing, I like, thought it was a convention or something for specific clients
2021-03-31T00:23:25 #kisslinux <riteo> I LOVE THIS
2021-03-31T00:23:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> It is, but someone was kind enough to implement a bot for it
2021-03-31T00:23:52 #kisslinux <riteo> awww thanks bot dude
2021-03-31T00:25:14 #kisslinux <riteo> well, so did you separe bins from community?
2021-03-31T00:25:21 #kisslinux <riteo> if yes, that's a wonderful idea
2021-03-31T00:26:00 #kisslinux <zola> Are there any up to date binary packages
2021-03-31T00:26:26 #kisslinux <acheam> just for firefox right now
2021-03-31T00:26:28 #kisslinux <zola> I saw some in old repos, but i belive they are a bit outdated
2021-03-31T00:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> at some point, I'll probably figuire out a build server situation for myself, and I'll make the binaries public, but it won't be part of kiss-community
2021-03-31T00:27:41 #kisslinux <acheam> probably in early summer, when I have some time to get KISS on this laptop
2021-03-31T00:27:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> I was contemplating the best way to do -bins; I think having them in their own repo is best considering I want to do rust-bin/llvm-bin/clang-bin/nodejs-bin, and modifying depends handling for -bins seems annoying
2021-03-31T00:28:12 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess I'll probably switch to kiss in the summer too, if GPUs finally get cheap enough
2021-03-31T00:28:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> I have bins for all those, they just were never uploaded :x they'll be up when I get home in ~2 weeks, but firefox 87 is up
2021-03-31T00:28:42 #kisslinux <acheam> wya dilynm?
2021-03-31T00:31:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> Tennessee visiting family for ~easter~
2021-03-31T00:31:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> Had to get out of the city. Stretch my legs
2021-03-31T00:35:14 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-31T00:42:22 #kisslinux <riteo> well, gtg for now
2021-03-31T00:42:25 #kisslinux <riteo> cya!
2021-03-31T00:55:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> Alright, clone $/kiss-community/repo-bin and prepend repo-bin/bin to $KISS_PATH, and kiss b firefox should "build" thr binary :)
2021-03-31T01:10:25 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-31T01:11:13 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems kind of redundant for kiss to generate a new package from the bin package lol
2021-03-31T01:17:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> The new package is just cp usr $1/usr
2021-03-31T01:17:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> There might be a better way but eh
2021-03-31T01:17:29 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's already so much faster xD
2021-03-31T01:19:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> Could also do #?no-extract and extract it to $1 but; there's probably not a huge difference tho
2021-03-31T01:24:08 #kisslinux <acheam> how dare you waste the write cycles on my ssd
2021-03-31T01:24:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> Technically I am saving you many write cycles
2021-03-31T01:49:03 #kisslinux <acheam> but not as many as could be saved
2021-03-31T01:49:11 #kisslinux <acheam> do a better job at saving me, damn it!
2021-03-31T01:52:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> F
2021-03-31T02:24:41 #kisslinux <SailBr> website is down?
2021-03-31T02:24:55 #kisslinux <acheam> k1sslinux.org
2021-03-31T02:25:34 #kisslinux <acheam> k1ss.org is expired, and our former BDFL has been out of contact since November, so no getting it back
2021-03-31T02:26:11 #kisslinux <SailBr> daaaa, im a nut
2021-03-31T02:26:19 #kisslinux <SailBr> tks
2021-03-31T02:26:22 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-03-31T02:26:54 #kisslinux <acheam> are you a brazillian sailor?
2021-03-31T02:27:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ie; whats the story behind the nick?
2021-03-31T02:27:47 #kisslinux <SailBr> long one :))
2021-03-31T02:28:51 #kisslinux <acheam> so I take it my brazillian sailor guess is junk then
2021-03-31T02:29:26 #kisslinux <SailBr> I got a question, the OS is all open to the user, or we have hidden logs everywhere like other OS?
2021-03-31T02:30:02 #kisslinux <SailBr> Selinux is present?
2021-03-31T02:31:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, lots of programs write log files
2021-03-31T02:31:57 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS gives you a very bare minimum to start with, no SELinux, or anything
2021-03-31T02:32:33 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't heard of anybody using it on KISS, and I can't imagine that it would be super easy to do
2021-03-31T02:33:23 #kisslinux <SailBr> No, Im running of
2021-03-31T02:35:18 #kisslinux <acheam> then you'll be right at home here
2021-03-31T02:36:07 #kisslinux <SailBr> I will take a deep look to the code, someone test it in a TAP or gdb to know if theres no hidden metadata transmmiting?
2021-03-31T02:36:44 #kisslinux <acheam> not needed
2021-03-31T02:36:47 #kisslinux <SailBr> Im a realistic (paranoid)
2021-03-31T02:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> the kiss source code is very simple
2021-03-31T02:37:42 #kisslinux <acheam> the only networking stuff it uses AFAIK is git and curl
2021-03-31T02:38:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/blob/master/kiss
2021-03-31T02:38:13 #kisslinux <acheam> less than 1000 SLOC, and lots of comments
2021-03-31T02:39:00 #kisslinux <SailBr> Great, I will read and put my fingers to work! :))
2021-03-31T02:39:42 #kisslinux <acheam> seriously, there's no way it could send anything back
2021-03-31T02:40:27 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: do you know why kiss uses "set -ef" instead of putting it in the shebang?
2021-03-31T02:44:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> because you can call it like "sh kiss" and then the shebang isn't used
2021-03-31T02:44:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> acheam:
2021-03-31T02:51:40 #kisslinux <acheam> E5ten: ah thanks
2021-03-31T02:52:02 #kisslinux <acheam> is there any reason we don't prefer this method for other scripts?
2021-03-31T02:52:22 #kisslinux <acheam> I see most people here using "#!/usr/bin/sh -e"
2021-03-31T02:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> or rather, "#!/bin/sh -e"
2021-03-31T02:53:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> acheam: no idea, they probably shouldn't be
2021-03-31T02:54:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> although I guess for build scripts, those are only supposed to be executed by kiss directly, and just running it with sh doesn't really make sense, so it's probably fine for those?
2021-03-31T02:58:47 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-03-31T05:57:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T07:54:06 #kisslinux <merakor> acheam: I do it specifically because it's a library, I don't think many people call `sh kiss` instead of just `kiss`
2021-03-31T07:54:42 #kisslinux <merakor> It isn't strictly necessary, but it's okay to have
2021-03-31T07:55:00 #kisslinux <merakor> s/okay/nice/
2021-03-31T07:55:02 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> It isn't strictly necessary, but it's nice to have
2021-03-31T12:33:33 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks merakor
2021-03-31T12:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam I'm willing to bet most people use their build scripts with /bin/sh -e because a) that's what the packages maintained by dylan used and b) that's what's generated by KISS itself
2021-03-31T12:35:19 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T12:35:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway good morning everyone
2021-03-31T12:36:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T12:36:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ih
2021-03-31T12:37:56 #kisslinux <aarng> o/
2021-03-31T13:09:37 #kisslinux <acheam> anyone remember Claudia's github page?
2021-03-31T13:09:50 #kisslinux <acheam> (or whever they keep their kiss repos)
2021-03-31T13:10:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I forgot the pattern of S's and D's
2021-03-31T13:12:25 #kisslinux <acheam> nvm found it
2021-03-31T13:24:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> zig zig zig zig
2021-03-31T13:24:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> how fun
2021-03-31T13:28:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> we use #!/bin/sh -e because what mad lad would ./pkg/build when kiss b pkg exists! :P
2021-03-31T13:56:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> GNU GMP and whatnot are supposed to be included with the GCC package, right?
2021-03-31T14:05:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmp/mpfr/mpc are all built with gcc yeah
2021-03-31T14:05:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-31T14:05:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> building 5.11rc3 with GCC extensions throws errors that they aren't found
2021-03-31T14:05:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> tested in a fresh tarball and existing system
2021-03-31T14:06:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ack
2021-03-31T14:06:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you have the right versions for 5.11rc3?
2021-03-31T14:06:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait, 5.11 of gcc?
2021-03-31T14:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...fuck I totally forgot to mention what 'm building
2021-03-31T14:06:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-31T14:06:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> the latest kernel
2021-03-31T14:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh. hm.
2021-03-31T14:07:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> fwiw installing the standalone gmp package fixes the gmp not found problem
2021-03-31T14:07:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I build 5.11* just fine
2021-03-31T14:07:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> or do you mean 5.12rc?
2021-03-31T14:07:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> 99% sure 5.11
2021-03-31T14:07:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "latest" seems to be 5.12-rc5
2021-03-31T14:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but this is from yesterday and I was severely sleep-deprived so let me check
2021-03-31T14:08:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay yeah 5.12rc3
2021-03-31T14:08:35 #kisslinux * midfavila facedesks
2021-03-31T14:08:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-31T14:08:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> well let's see
2021-03-31T14:09:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a whatever since you really shouldn't run RC kernels *anyway*, but I figured I'd point out that it's a thing that definitely happens
2021-03-31T14:11:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> downloaded rc5 tarball rn, built just fine with regular gcc
2021-03-31T14:12:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-03-31T14:12:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe they messed up something in rc3
2021-03-31T14:12:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> perhaps
2021-03-31T14:12:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> it wouldn't be the first time
2021-03-31T14:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll just build the latest stable libre
2021-03-31T14:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> meh
2021-03-31T14:13:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I get a fun error tho
2021-03-31T14:13:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-31T14:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me guess
2021-03-31T14:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna use my internet psychic powers
2021-03-31T14:13:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and say that it was something to do with endianness
2021-03-31T14:13:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed
2021-03-31T14:13:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup, I got the same thing
2021-03-31T14:13:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> well at the end
2021-03-31T14:14:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> they must have made a mistake in rc3
2021-03-31T14:14:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> the first few are 'exected; before unsigned'
2021-03-31T14:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a linux headers issue
2021-03-31T14:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-31T14:14:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> no i'm using rc5
2021-03-31T14:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> o h
2021-03-31T14:14:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> hm
2021-03-31T14:14:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its possible that its only triggered by specific kernel config though
2021-03-31T14:14:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> also possible
2021-03-31T14:14:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> also my thought
2021-03-31T14:14:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gotta test it with make allyesconfig
2021-03-31T14:15:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing is, I got the same problem with defconfig
2021-03-31T14:15:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how long does it take to fail?
2021-03-31T14:16:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> building rn
2021-03-31T14:16:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> fails almost immediately
2021-03-31T14:16:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> like maybe five seconds at the most on my laptop
2021-03-31T14:17:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh yeah it does fail with gmp, i forgot i had a riced gcc on my main
2021-03-31T14:17:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> >he rices gcc
2021-03-31T14:17:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but its just a regular no such file or dir gmp.h
2021-03-31T14:17:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-03-31T14:17:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> what are your USE flags testuser
2021-03-31T14:17:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> was there a gcc update we don't know about
2021-03-31T14:17:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i stole that pgo build script from admicos
2021-03-31T14:17:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> makes gcc go big fast
2021-03-31T14:18:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> vroom vroom
2021-03-31T14:18:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> gcc? more like thicc cc
2021-03-31T14:18:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> shecc
2021-03-31T14:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-31T14:18:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait wtf i dont have a gmp.h on either kiss installs
2021-03-31T14:18:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how does one work then
2021-03-31T14:18:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> I knew I wasn't being autistic
2021-03-31T14:20:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> not this time, probably
2021-03-31T14:20:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont have a libgmp or something either, the only difference is that this gcc is built with support for something called "isl"
2021-03-31T14:21:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> Woot dilynm
2021-03-31T14:21:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'in search of lovers'
2021-03-31T14:21:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay side note, something that's always bothered me-
2021-03-31T14:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> why are macintosh drivers enabled by default in kernel configs?
2021-03-31T14:22:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc requires that gmp/mpfr/mpc are in the source tree at build time because it uses them during the build - I have no idea to what extant they sit around after gcc has pumped and dumped 'em
2021-03-31T14:22:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> because mac users don't know they're special
2021-03-31T14:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> "special"
2021-03-31T14:22:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> also because there's probably no obvious way for make defconfig to know if it's a mac because it's all intel hardware
2021-03-31T14:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> should disable it by default then
2021-03-31T14:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-31T14:23:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ok wtf it started failing on the originally working system too
2021-03-31T14:23:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but mac users don't know they're special
2021-03-31T14:23:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> stopped
2021-03-31T14:23:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-03-31T14:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> then mac users should go back
2021-03-31T14:24:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone should see if building 5.12rc5 fails on something like void/arch/gentoo
2021-03-31T14:24:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> have we checked the gentoo forums? are they raging yet
2021-03-31T14:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 it's because you need rust
2021-03-31T14:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss on plan 9 when
2021-03-31T14:24:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol only for some modules that aren't enabled by default
2021-03-31T14:25:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ahh i think its because the first time i tried allyesconfig it started compiling the thing that needed gmp.h LATER so i didnt notice it
2021-03-31T14:25:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> also what the fuck linux-libre team why did you disable kernel stack variable hardening
2021-03-31T14:25:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:cccccccccccc
2021-03-31T14:25:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> old config seems to work fine still
2021-03-31T14:27:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> allyesconfig will also fail at another different point on regular KISS
2021-03-31T14:27:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ok im a dumbass, only make allyesconfig fails instantly but make defconfig works (seems to be working so far)so theres some mysterious config option causing it
2021-03-31T14:28:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean it's a chain started by some dumb objtool problem
2021-03-31T14:28:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> solution: remove libelf, disable orc unwinder
2021-03-31T14:28:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> hobble your kernel, mid. it is the way
2021-03-31T14:28:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> no thank you sirs
2021-03-31T14:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> will just use older stable kernel
2021-03-31T14:29:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> defconfig worked fine too
2021-03-31T14:29:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how does defconfig work ? checks loaded modules and stuff ? cuz it built pretty quick
2021-03-31T14:30:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> uses a default config
2021-03-31T14:30:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> makelocalyesconfig checks loaded modules
2021-03-31T14:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a default config for your hardware, afaik
2021-03-31T14:30:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> the 'usual options' for x86
2021-03-31T14:30:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> platform, but yeh
2021-03-31T14:30:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes platform sry
2021-03-31T14:31:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> god fucking damnit now I'm getting a problem with kernel headers
2021-03-31T14:31:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> how annoying
2021-03-31T14:31:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-03-31T14:31:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> is 5.10.27 the new lts headers?? hrng
2021-03-31T14:31:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm weird cuz it barely built like 5 modules
2021-03-31T14:32:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for a default config
2021-03-31T14:32:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-31T14:36:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. should default llvm build for all targets instead of just host and amdgpu?
2021-03-31T14:37:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> apparently they compile in roughly the same time either way, and it results in a small but not negligible size increase
2021-03-31T14:40:53 #kisslinux * midfavila screams
2021-03-31T14:41:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> Building an *older* version now requires bash
2021-03-31T14:41:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> what the FUCK
2021-03-31T14:41:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?!
2021-03-31T14:41:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> of the kernel??
2021-03-31T14:41:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-31T14:41:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> libre-5.4
2021-03-31T14:41:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> :^)
2021-03-31T14:41:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> hurr muh gpl
2021-03-31T14:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't know why I'm made to suffer this way
2021-03-31T14:41:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I am
2021-03-31T14:41:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> #freedom #from #choice
2021-03-31T14:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> *and* cpio
2021-03-31T14:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
2021-03-31T15:01:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn fwiw building llvm with all targets and trying to compile with clang for aarch64 or any other arch results in missing 32 bit headers (from glibc /usr/include/gnu, not sure of musl behaviour) so not sure how useful it is outside of building zig
2021-03-31T15:01:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> though im not sure how compiling for other arch-es is supposed to work here
2021-03-31T15:01:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just doing `clang -target aarch64 test.c`
2021-03-31T15:02:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah that was other concern
2021-03-31T15:02:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> like if I allow llvm in repo/ to start supporting other targets, how long until someone asks for gcc to follow suit?
2021-03-31T15:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have negative amounts of interest in supporting $platform
2021-03-31T15:03:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I *think* the solution is a package in community named llvm-zig tbh
2021-03-31T15:03:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that sort of kicks the can, maybe.
2021-03-31T15:04:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> then the person using llvm-zig would have to fix the depends file for clang/any other thing that needs it
2021-03-31T15:04:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-31T15:05:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> why does zig have to be like this
2021-03-31T15:05:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> could they have simply decided to not do this smh
2021-03-31T15:09:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess we can "just" wait for zig 0.8.0 as another option
2021-03-31T15:10:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> does zig 0.8.0 change this requirement?
2021-03-31T15:12:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im just going off of mmatongo's comment here
2021-03-31T15:12:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki/pull/5/files#r586395449
2021-03-31T15:12:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> Yeah I asked for clarification but he never got back to me
2021-03-31T15:13:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> The only issues I say by mmatonga in the zig repo relates to... not this, seemingly
2021-03-31T15:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> andrew didn't really explain it lmao
2021-03-31T15:18:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html looks like zig doesnt suffer from the stubs-32.h error so cross compiling will work here atleast
2021-03-31T15:18:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> something going on with objtool...
2021-03-31T15:20:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Because of static linking LLD combined with dynamic linking LLVM+Clang. The brew package does not provide a dynamic library for LLD, so Zig cannot solve this. Upstream LLVM needs to fix it, and homebrew needs to do one of these things:" aha
2021-03-31T15:20:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/5055
2021-03-31T15:48:50 #kisslinux <riteo> hi!
2021-03-31T15:49:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-31T15:50:58 #kisslinux <acheam> yello!
2021-03-31T15:51:22 #kisslinux <acheam> working on a simple kiss remote build script
2021-03-31T15:51:40 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/1e19b648a53269a3df7ed0336f987ba3b0e1b21e/item/kiss-serv
2021-03-31T15:51:57 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr, better link: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/item/kiss-serv
2021-03-31T15:53:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's cute and convenient
2021-03-31T15:53:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can use KISS_PROMPT=0 in kiss build instead of piping yes
2021-03-31T15:53:29 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks!
2021-03-31T16:05:20 #kisslinux <acheam> how bad is it do this?
2021-03-31T16:05:22 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/5Aeumf4.png
2021-03-31T16:05:33 #kisslinux <acheam> idk why I screenshotted it
2021-03-31T16:05:39 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm back
2021-03-31T16:05:45 #kisslinux <acheam> its just: [ "$3" == "-f" ] && cmd="tail -f" || cmd="cat"
2021-03-31T16:05:45 #kisslinux <riteo> my network stopped working
2021-03-31T16:05:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ie: condition && if true || if else
2021-03-31T16:06:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I know that shellcheck complains about it, but setting a variable can't really fail right?
2021-03-31T16:14:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> okay wew
2021-03-31T16:14:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> laptop's KISS should now be officially free of all proprietary code
2021-03-31T16:14:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> very cool, thank you based FSF
2021-03-31T16:15:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my autism has been satiated for now
2021-03-31T16:17:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-31T16:17:44 #kisslinux <acheam> very cool
2021-03-31T16:18:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i wasn't able to use the libre kernel sources themselves for some reason but it's a valid libre config
2021-03-31T16:18:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so, w/e
2021-03-31T16:20:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> isn't == problematic
2021-03-31T16:21:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably
2021-03-31T16:21:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah == isn't posix
2021-03-31T16:21:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> unbased acheam smh
2021-03-31T16:21:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops
2021-03-31T16:21:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> shun the unbased one
2021-03-31T16:21:55 #kisslinux <acheam> -eq
2021-03-31T16:23:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> now get rid of proprietary hardware midfavila
2021-03-31T16:23:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's on the chopping block after proprietary BIOS
2021-03-31T16:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm *working* on it, testuser[m]_
2021-03-31T16:23:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop PRESSURING me!
2021-03-31T16:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:CCC
2021-03-31T16:25:30 #kisslinux <clauia> Only ancient x86 hardware is able to get rid of proprietary blobs. Bye modern webbrowser
2021-03-31T16:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-03-31T16:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-03-31T16:25:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm using a laptop from 2016
2021-03-31T16:25:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-31T16:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam
2021-03-31T16:25:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are three words
2021-03-31T16:25:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> those are three words acheam
2021-03-31T16:26:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> jynx
2021-03-31T16:26:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not sentence of the day
2021-03-31T16:26:09 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah those are 3 words
2021-03-31T16:26:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu dilynm
2021-03-31T16:26:15 #kisslinux <clauia> Could the llv-zig not just swapped with 'kiss a'? This way llvm has just to be build 2x :v
2021-03-31T16:26:20 #kisslinux <acheam> fixed
2021-03-31T16:26:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST CHANGE THE THING
2021-03-31T16:26:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> WORDS?
2021-03-31T16:26:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> who has words of the day
2021-03-31T16:26:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yes.
2021-03-31T16:26:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fuckin stupid
2021-03-31T16:26:56 #kisslinux <riteo> holy shit I just noticed
2021-03-31T16:27:00 #kisslinux <riteo> now it's "words of the day"
2021-03-31T16:27:05 #kisslinux <riteo> that's cheating
2021-03-31T16:27:22 #kisslinux <acheam> happy now?
2021-03-31T16:27:28 #kisslinux <riteo> i hate you
2021-03-31T16:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> using html doesn't change your sin against god, acheam
2021-03-31T16:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> in fact it makes it worse
2021-03-31T16:27:49 #kisslinux <riteo> way worse
2021-03-31T16:27:50 #kisslinux <acheam> all the better then
2021-03-31T16:27:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is tyranny
2021-03-31T16:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I won't STAND for this
2021-03-31T16:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm kneeling at the next football game I go to
2021-03-31T16:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> mark my words
2021-03-31T16:28:28 #kisslinux <riteo> time to make our own kiss fork with an irc community with only single words
2021-03-31T16:28:39 #kisslinux <riteo> we'll call it: kissword
2021-03-31T16:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> wk
2021-03-31T16:29:23 #kisslinux <riteo> what does that mean?
2021-03-31T16:29:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> wordkiss
2021-03-31T16:29:42 #kisslinux <riteo> holy shit, it's perfect
2021-03-31T16:29:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> kwiss
2021-03-31T16:30:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> uwu
2021-03-31T16:30:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop appropriating my culture bigot
2021-03-31T16:30:30 #kisslinux <riteo> it took me way too much time to understand what was the joke dilyn
2021-03-31T16:30:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss a | grep ^llvm-zig | kiss a - would indeed allow you to replace llvm, but I don't really like this option too much
2021-03-31T16:31:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> it sets the precedent that community can also have gcc-aarch, for instance
2021-03-31T16:31:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> joke?
2021-03-31T16:31:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-03-31T16:31:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> mid I'm a white man apropriation was the game plan
2021-03-31T16:31:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> always was
2021-03-31T16:31:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> explains everything
2021-03-31T16:32:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> first it was the macbook, then it was working as a barista, now this
2021-03-31T16:34:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed
2021-03-31T16:34:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am but a simple monster
2021-03-31T16:35:45 #kisslinux <riteo> even going as far as appropriating kiss linux itself
2021-03-31T16:37:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm dastardly
2021-03-31T16:42:32 #kisslinux <konimex> <dilynm> like if I allow llvm in repo/ to start supporting other targets, how long until someone asks for gcc to follow suit?
2021-03-31T16:42:39 #kisslinux <konimex> the real question is, is it possible for gcc in the first place (without making $ARCH-linux-musl-gcc)? LLVM/Clang is a natural cross-compiler so it is able to do what jedavies' glasnost do with cross-compiling (with just a sysroot requirement iirc), meanwhile I don't really know about gcc
2021-03-31T16:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> very true
2021-03-31T16:50:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> but 100+MB size increase for *most* users just so that community/zig works seems... bad praxis
2021-03-31T16:51:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're gonna add it then just make a minimum viable package
2021-03-31T16:51:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the user wants more they can fork and modify
2021-03-31T16:51:42 #kisslinux <konimex> fair enough, packages in main/ shouldn't bend over just for community/ packages
2021-03-31T16:51:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-03-31T16:52:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I briefly considered bundling the right llvm with zig but that seems horrible for zig users xD
2021-03-31T16:52:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> the solution i keep coming back to is "sorry but no"
2021-03-31T16:53:51 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a very KISS response
2021-03-31T16:54:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed
2021-03-31T16:54:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> even though zig would be fun to have
2021-03-31T16:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> meme languages? in my distro?
2021-03-31T16:55:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Does any popular thing use it currently ? i only see that wayland compositor
2021-03-31T16:58:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> Technically isn't it just a drop in replacement for CC?
2021-03-31T16:58:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> so theoretically... everything?
2021-03-31T16:58:53 #kisslinux <konimex> zig cc or zig the lang?
2021-03-31T16:59:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> cc
2021-03-31T16:59:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the lang is ofc different
2021-03-31T16:59:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> #better
2021-03-31T16:59:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I'm not interested until it can compile a kernel
2021-03-31T17:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-31T17:01:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> zig cc can't even compile hello world in C
2021-03-31T17:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> #innovation
2021-03-31T17:01:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-31T17:02:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> really gonna show the big boys how it's done
2021-03-31T17:02:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a.out just segfaulted when i did `zig cc hello.c`  Lol
2021-03-31T17:02:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-03-31T17:02:35 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-31T17:02:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> incredible
2021-03-31T17:02:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-03-31T17:02:52 #kisslinux <riteo> wasn't the zig compiler based on llvm? Why is it so bad?
2021-03-31T17:02:54 #kisslinux <riteo> is it the new one?
2021-03-31T17:02:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> because llvm bad
2021-03-31T17:03:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-03-31T17:03:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> face it, anything aplel touches is dogshit, dilynm
2021-03-31T17:03:12 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought llvm was good
2021-03-31T17:03:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm is bae
2021-03-31T17:03:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> next thing I know you'll replace firefox with a webshit browser
2021-03-31T17:03:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium kappa
2021-03-31T17:03:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that webbrowser is packaged in my repo = w=
2021-03-31T17:04:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't use botnet packages here
2021-03-31T17:04:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> speaking of, a new release for chromium just came out
2021-03-31T17:04:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> did they fix the libva problem that I painstakingly investigated
2021-03-31T17:04:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> *insert soy wojak*
2021-03-31T17:04:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> :(
2021-03-31T17:04:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-03-31T17:04:21 #kisslinux <riteo> when we'll least expect it dilyn will remove all http browsers and add only gemini ones
2021-03-31T17:04:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> arch just stole your patch Lol
2021-03-31T17:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> BRUH
2021-03-31T17:04:40 #kisslinux <riteo> really?
2021-03-31T17:04:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've made it lads
2021-03-31T17:04:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-03-31T17:04:49 #kisslinux <riteo> indirect contribution to arch
2021-03-31T17:04:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they linked the kiss community issue
2021-03-31T17:05:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're a real distro now
2021-03-31T17:05:31 #kisslinux <riteo> we always were
2021-03-31T17:05:37 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-03-31T17:05:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> even 4chins acknowledges us
2021-03-31T17:05:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its fixed in git chromium so it'll be quite a lot of months till its fixed in a tarball
2021-03-31T17:06:07 #kisslinux <riteo> really? I've never seen people talking about KISS linux on /g/
2021-03-31T17:06:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its on that installgentoo wiki
2021-03-31T17:06:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> there was a thread about dylan on /g/ the other day
2021-03-31T17:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently he showed up somewhere?
2021-03-31T17:06:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> they lifted it down to the name holy shit
2021-03-31T17:06:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but take /g/ with a grain of salt obvs
2021-03-31T17:06:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminder that lisp is the most powerful programming language
2021-03-31T17:06:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> cniles gtfo
2021-03-31T17:07:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe we should ask dylan's mom wuddup
2021-03-31T17:07:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ask her if I can have her cookie recipe
2021-03-31T17:08:17 #kisslinux <riteo> https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/80895158/githubcomdylanaraps
2021-03-31T17:08:21 #kisslinux <riteo> well that was disappointing
2021-03-31T17:09:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Software_minimalism
2021-03-31T17:09:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're listed as a minimal distro
2021-03-31T17:10:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-03-31T17:10:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf is that thread
2021-03-31T17:10:38 #kisslinux <acheam> "A lot of anons suggest Arch Linux or Debian netinst, but since both of these use a GNU userland and systemd they're not minimal." finally some sense
2021-03-31T17:11:04 #kisslinux <riteo> this wiki page is actually very well written from a quick glance
2021-03-31T17:11:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> g unironically has some useful info
2021-03-31T17:11:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you can get past all the screaming about "muh trannies" and "muh sicp"
2021-03-31T17:11:40 #kisslinux <riteo> agreed
2021-03-31T17:12:00 #kisslinux <riteo> actually since a trans girl did some pretty based stuff lately /g/ has become way less transphobic
2021-03-31T17:12:13 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess more people commented positively on it than the usual trolls
2021-03-31T17:12:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> leah tried to get me to port libreboot to one of my older laptops
2021-03-31T17:12:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's like
2021-03-31T17:12:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> dude I can't even program lmao
2021-03-31T17:12:45 #kisslinux <riteo> just don't go to firefox/brave/rust threads and you'll probably be fine
2021-03-31T17:12:52 #kisslinux <riteo> lol
2021-03-31T17:13:08 #kisslinux <acheam> just do it midfavila
2021-03-31T17:13:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> all I can do is screech autistically and make obscure references to SEL
2021-03-31T17:13:11 #kisslinux <acheam> don't think
2021-03-31T17:13:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have to finish K&R
2021-03-31T17:13:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the book I'm working on right now
2021-03-31T17:14:04 #kisslinux <acheam> good book
2021-03-31T17:14:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> after that it's SICP and HtDP
2021-03-31T17:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and probably intro to algorithms
2021-03-31T17:14:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like that would give me an okay start with some more theoretical knowledge
2021-03-31T17:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and ideally I'll be working on a set of ultra-lightweight software to provide a... DE, I guess
2021-03-31T17:15:10 #kisslinux <riteo> I just noticed that on that wiki page wayland is listed as not minimal, why is that?
2021-03-31T17:15:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> because you need xwayland to run most stuff
2021-03-31T17:15:27 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-31T17:15:30 #kisslinux <riteo> makes sense
2021-03-31T17:15:45 #kisslinux <riteo> well, you gotta start somewhere, don't you?
2021-03-31T17:15:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, sure
2021-03-31T17:16:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just disheartening to look at a "simple" program
2021-03-31T17:16:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and bam - 8k lines of code
2021-03-31T17:16:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> t. ST
2021-03-31T17:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> what I *am* going to try and do is write a daemon to manage clipboard syncing
2021-03-31T17:18:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> because, as everyone knows, PRIMARY>CLIPBOARD
2021-03-31T17:18:39 #kisslinux <riteo> wait, what do you mean by clipboard syncing?
2021-03-31T17:18:46 #kisslinux <riteo> just like, dumping one register into the other?
2021-03-31T17:18:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-31T17:18:52 #kisslinux <riteo> cool
2021-03-31T17:19:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'd personally like to have that happen only *sometimes*
2021-03-31T17:19:06 #kisslinux <riteo> is a c program really needed for that though?
2021-03-31T17:19:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't know of any other way you could manipulate the buffers without a C program somewhere
2021-03-31T17:19:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think the buffers are stored as files
2021-03-31T17:19:49 #kisslinux <riteo> I mean, there is xclip
2021-03-31T17:20:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> xclip is a c program
2021-03-31T17:20:17 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah
2021-03-31T17:20:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd rather just write a program to do what I want
2021-03-31T17:20:32 #kisslinux <riteo> is it not available in the repo?
2021-03-31T17:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> than use some dude's program and a bunch of shellscript to force it to behave in ways it shouldn't be
2021-03-31T17:20:38 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-03-31T17:20:39 #kisslinux <riteo> makes sense
2021-03-31T17:20:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it *is* available, yeah
2021-03-31T17:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also part of a learning experience for me I guess
2021-03-31T17:21:03 #kisslinux <riteo> right
2021-03-31T17:21:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> since I intend to do lower-level X programming
2021-03-31T17:21:16 #kisslinux <riteo> X programming is one of those painful fun
2021-03-31T17:21:20 #kisslinux <riteo> things
2021-03-31T17:21:26 #kisslinux <riteo> (i missed the last word)
2021-03-31T17:21:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just want more Xaw programs
2021-03-31T17:21:35 #kisslinux <riteo> xaw?
2021-03-31T17:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> X Athena Widgets
2021-03-31T17:21:49 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-31T17:21:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> think of it as the native toolkit of X
2021-03-31T17:21:58 #kisslinux <riteo> oh, that
2021-03-31T17:22:03 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah I know it
2021-03-31T17:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you've ever used xterm, xman, xedit, etc, they all use xaw
2021-03-31T17:22:20 #kisslinux <riteo> if it's a daemon, how will it use xaw?
2021-03-31T17:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it won't, at first
2021-03-31T17:22:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it would be nice to make a xaw version of... god, what's that lightweight gtk2 clipboard manager
2021-03-31T17:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> has a little icon in the system tray that pops up your history?
2021-03-31T17:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway I want to have similar functionality with this daemon
2021-03-31T17:23:25 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-03-31T17:23:35 #kisslinux <riteo> so you want to make a nice little clipboard manager
2021-03-31T17:23:36 #kisslinux <riteo> cool
2021-03-31T17:23:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2021-03-31T17:23:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Probably gonna call it scribe, or something like that
2021-03-31T17:24:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I always personify my programs
2021-03-31T17:24:26 #kisslinux <riteo> thinking about it, it'd be nice if you made also a small separate (in order to not bloat too much) daemon which exposed the clipboard to a file
2021-03-31T17:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-03-31T17:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was intending to have it optionally write contents out to a plaintext file
2021-03-31T17:25:01 #kisslinux <riteo> IMO it'd be better suited for a small separate program
2021-03-31T17:25:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Perhaps
2021-03-31T17:25:16 #kisslinux <riteo> smaller dependency for scripts and simpler
2021-03-31T17:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> If anything it'd be a good stepping stone
2021-03-31T17:25:58 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah
2021-03-31T17:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got a bunch of stuff I want to write Eventually:tm:
2021-03-31T17:26:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> a little terminal, file manager, text editor... maybe a frontend to netsurf using xaw
2021-03-31T17:26:54 #kisslinux <riteo> cool
2021-03-31T17:27:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2021-03-31T17:27:20 #kisslinux <riteo> IMO you should also concentrate on things you really need more than things useful for learning
2021-03-31T17:27:29 #kisslinux <riteo> otherwise you might lose your determination pretty quickly
2021-03-31T17:27:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, hence writing a simple "DE"
2021-03-31T17:27:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> just use vim bro
2021-03-31T17:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use mostly Xaw programs on my laptop but they're all very old and clunky and... probably insecure
2021-03-31T17:27:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> stfu dilyn >:c
2021-03-31T17:27:58 #kisslinux <riteo> kakoune is the future
2021-03-31T17:28:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> tine is better than all of that shit
2021-03-31T17:28:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk my vimrc is pretty comfy
2021-03-31T17:28:23 #kisslinux <riteo> is it an aestetic reason for your preference over xaw, or something else?
2021-03-31T17:28:25 #kisslinux <acheam> idk my config.org is pretty epic ngl
2021-03-31T17:28:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's aesthetic and functional
2021-03-31T17:28:37 #kisslinux <riteo> what is tine? Never heard of it
2021-03-31T17:28:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i hate it based on that name alone
2021-03-31T17:28:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> tine is a unix version of the old Amiga ED
2021-03-31T17:28:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's unpleasant is what it is
2021-03-31T17:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's comfy
2021-03-31T17:29:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> real KISS users use cat and sed
2021-03-31T17:29:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and also v smol
2021-03-31T17:29:23 #kisslinux <acheam> but muh config.org does all muh configs
2021-03-31T17:29:24 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm forcing my autistic ass to switch to kak from vi only recently
2021-03-31T17:29:36 #kisslinux <riteo> vim is too much for me
2021-03-31T17:29:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> vim is certainly a lot
2021-03-31T17:29:59 #kisslinux <acheam> not enough for me
2021-03-31T17:30:03 #kisslinux <acheam> need emacs
2021-03-31T17:30:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't use most of its features :S I should switch to somethign else
2021-03-31T17:30:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm gonna oooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORG
2021-03-31T17:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> -average emacs user
2021-03-31T17:30:35 #kisslinux <riteo> kak is like a more sane vim with more useful features, less clunky stuff and less code
2021-03-31T17:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-31T17:30:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> riteo s/kak/kek
2021-03-31T17:30:52 #kisslinux <kissbot> <riteo> kek is like a more sane vim with more useful features, less clunky stuff and less code
2021-03-31T17:30:58 #kisslinux <riteo> yes
2021-03-31T17:31:07 #kisslinux <riteo> I've miswritten it way too many times
2021-03-31T17:31:19 #kisslinux <riteo> the most kek editor ever
2021-03-31T17:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> muscle memory is a pain
2021-03-31T17:31:32 #kisslinux <riteo> god don't talk to mea bout that
2021-03-31T17:31:39 #kisslinux <riteo> s/mea/me a/
2021-03-31T17:31:41 #kisslinux <kissbot> <riteo> god don't talk to me a bout that
2021-03-31T17:31:46 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-03-31T17:31:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-31T17:31:56 #kisslinux <riteo> I still open stuff with vi without noticing
2021-03-31T17:32:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> alias vi=kak
2021-03-31T17:32:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> yw
2021-03-31T17:32:12 #kisslinux <riteo> that'd only make things worse
2021-03-31T17:32:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm tempted to go back to using ed
2021-03-31T17:33:11 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh ed looks painful
2021-03-31T17:33:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not bad until you want to edit a line
2021-03-31T17:33:38 #kisslinux <riteo> i'm not gonna lie, kak looks a bit too much bloated for me, but it's probably because I come from vi
2021-03-31T17:33:58 #kisslinux <riteo> it's actually pretty unixy by delegating most things to pipe redirection
2021-03-31T17:34:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> c++ too
2021-03-31T17:34:14 #kisslinux <riteo> also it tackles some problems in very nice ways and avoids redundant operations
2021-03-31T17:34:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly all you need to know is that 1,$p shows you the entire document, i in operation mode sets you to insert mode, . on an empty line in insert mode sets you back to operation mode
2021-03-31T17:34:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it doesn't use cmake so that's good
2021-03-31T17:34:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> w in opmode is write
2021-03-31T17:34:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and r is read
2021-03-31T17:34:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> q is quit
2021-03-31T17:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> you now know how to use ed
2021-03-31T17:34:54 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-31T17:34:58 #kisslinux <riteo> that looks simple
2021-03-31T17:35:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> "[ed] is not so bad until you want to edit a line"
2021-03-31T17:35:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> kappa wtf is this editor for then
2021-03-31T17:35:14 #kisslinux <riteo> editing text
2021-03-31T17:35:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> >=|
2021-03-31T17:35:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> ed is great if you don't make mistakes like a typelet
2021-03-31T17:35:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> streams >>> memes
2021-03-31T17:35:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> sed or die homies
2021-03-31T17:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you do, use s/whatever/revetahw/
2021-03-31T17:35:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it will substitute stuffs
2021-03-31T17:36:07 #kisslinux <riteo> I see
2021-03-31T17:36:17 #kisslinux <riteo> that looks like the most basic thing ever
2021-03-31T17:36:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can also grep from within ed
2021-03-31T17:36:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> using g/regex/p
2021-03-31T17:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...actually grep comes from ed
2021-03-31T17:36:42 #kisslinux <riteo> My autistic ass is giving me weird ideas
2021-03-31T17:36:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> you would probably adjust after a while riteo
2021-03-31T17:37:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> vi is just visual ed
2021-03-31T17:37:04 #kisslinux <riteo> I know
2021-03-31T17:37:18 #kisslinux <riteo> the issue is, that I want to not cripple myself using an old text editor with missing features
2021-03-31T17:37:18 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T17:37:29 #kisslinux <riteo> but my autistic ass is scared of big programs
2021-03-31T17:37:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but is it *really* missing features
2021-03-31T17:37:42 #kisslinux <riteo> STOP
2021-03-31T17:37:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it is missing bloat
2021-03-31T17:37:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-31T17:37:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> just use vscode
2021-03-31T17:37:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> are you *sure* you can't stand it riteo
2021-03-31T17:38:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> come on, try it for a week
2021-03-31T17:38:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> :^)
2021-03-31T17:38:12 #kisslinux <riteo> IS THIS AUTISTIC GROOMING OR SOMETHING
2021-03-31T17:38:14 #kisslinux <riteo> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2021-03-31T17:38:36 #kisslinux <riteo> now I'm really going to use ed, thank you
2021-03-31T17:38:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow I guess I'm more charismatic than I thought
2021-03-31T17:39:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> pour one out for our fallen comrade
2021-03-31T17:39:48 #kisslinux <riteo> brb, gonna write a short text document *dies*
2021-03-31T17:40:14 #kisslinux <riteo> wait
2021-03-31T17:40:18 #kisslinux <riteo> > *GNU* ed
2021-03-31T17:40:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not using sbase
2021-03-31T17:40:27 #kisslinux <riteo> ok I take my word
2021-03-31T17:40:35 #kisslinux <riteo> back
2021-03-31T17:41:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ctrl+z is not a thing you can do in ed
2021-03-31T17:42:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> you are trapped riteo
2021-03-31T17:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> use ctrl-d
2021-03-31T17:42:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> dummy
2021-03-31T17:42:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-31T17:42:19 #kisslinux <riteo> you can't do that neither in vi
2021-03-31T17:42:20 #kisslinux <riteo> or kak
2021-03-31T17:42:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can absolutely ctrl-z in ed
2021-03-31T17:42:25 #kisslinux <riteo> or vim, I believe
2021-03-31T17:42:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> shush let my propaganda do its thing
2021-03-31T17:42:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea what sort of ed you're using dilyn but it's clearly defective
2021-03-31T17:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> silence, soyboy
2021-03-31T17:42:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm not, obviously
2021-03-31T17:42:46 #kisslinux <riteo> oh, right, technically you can
2021-03-31T17:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> not technically, you can
2021-03-31T17:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-31T17:43:09 #kisslinux <riteo> not in the intended way :^)
2021-03-31T17:43:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, yes, in the intended way
2021-03-31T17:43:21 #kisslinux <riteo> to undo stuff?
2021-03-31T17:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...that's not the intended way
2021-03-31T17:43:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:V
2021-03-31T17:43:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> ctrl-z is job control
2021-03-31T17:43:38 #kisslinux <riteo> in the way dilyn intended
2021-03-31T17:43:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody cares about dilyn smh
2021-03-31T17:43:59 #kisslinux <riteo> that's quite sad
2021-03-31T17:44:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> he needs your emotional support
2021-03-31T17:44:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> eh
2021-03-31T17:44:38 #kisslinux <riteo> c'mon, he knows we're memeing, we all love him, right?
2021-03-31T17:44:50 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavilla right?
2021-03-31T17:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> :^)
2021-03-31T17:45:18 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-03-31T17:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's only one person in this channel who's approval and support I care about :v
2021-03-31T17:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine
2021-03-31T17:45:39 #kisslinux <acheam> me of course
2021-03-31T17:45:53 #kisslinux <riteo> dylan who's secretly watching all of us
2021-03-31T17:46:08 #kisslinux <riteo> I know you're reading the log, dylan
2021-03-31T17:46:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-03-31T17:46:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's obviously systemE
2021-03-31T17:46:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> come back home dylan, we miss you
2021-03-31T17:46:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ;W;
2021-03-31T17:46:29 #kisslinux <riteo> indeed
2021-03-31T18:20:51 #kisslinux <tink> windows is actually so fucking shit... i feel so unlucky that i have to use it for a few more months. when you think blue screens were no more and you haven't changed anything on the os at all in 2 months... bam, it might've been working perfectly for the last 3 years but now you've got a fucking blue screen out of the blue.
2021-03-31T18:21:19 #kisslinux <riteo> >blue screen out of the blue
2021-03-31T18:21:24 #kisslinux <riteo> best pun ever
2021-03-31T18:26:50 #kisslinux <riteo> did they just come here for that
2021-03-31T18:32:53 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-31T18:39:06 #kisslinux <riteo> I think I just reconnected
2021-03-31T18:39:12 #kisslinux <riteo> my network messed up again
2021-03-31T18:39:16 #kisslinux <riteo> I'm having power issues
2021-03-31T18:40:17 #kisslinux <acheam> get a bouncer
2021-03-31T18:40:47 #kisslinux <riteo> that's actually a pretty good idea
2021-03-31T18:40:51 #kisslinux <riteo> I should have one somewhere
2021-03-31T18:41:09 #kisslinux <riteo> no wait
2021-03-31T18:41:25 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought you talked about one of those small microbatteries that keep things on for 5 minutes
2021-03-31T18:41:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> UPS
2021-03-31T18:41:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> those are also useful
2021-03-31T18:41:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have two
2021-03-31T18:41:35 #kisslinux <riteo> why should I have a bouncer on?
2021-03-31T18:41:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> so that you don't constantly get disconnected
2021-03-31T18:41:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, from our side
2021-03-31T18:41:54 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-31T18:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> records messages and crap
2021-03-31T18:42:16 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought that was the point of disconnecting, to let people know you are available or not
2021-03-31T18:42:23 #kisslinux <riteo> whether*
2021-03-31T18:42:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> you would think so but apparently people don't like that
2021-03-31T18:42:50 #kisslinux <riteo> oh, I didn't know that
2021-03-31T18:42:57 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-31T18:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> "how do I view logs!?!?!?!?!?"
2021-03-31T18:43:45 #kisslinux <riteo> Can you recommend me any bouncer in particular?
2021-03-31T18:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't use one, so no
2021-03-31T18:44:49 #kisslinux <riteo> I think I'll stick to using an UPS
2021-03-31T18:45:26 #kisslinux <riteo> The whole concept of a bouncer scares me a little
2021-03-31T18:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> uh, why?
2021-03-31T18:46:05 #kisslinux <riteo> usual paranoical tech autist things
2021-03-31T18:46:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not a very good reason
2021-03-31T18:46:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I disconnect because muh data connection
2021-03-31T18:46:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I read those logs like a mofo. never unavailable
2021-03-31T18:46:45 #kisslinux <riteo> midfavila I know
2021-03-31T18:47:13 #kisslinux <acheam> riteo: I use Soju
2021-03-31T18:47:30 #kisslinux <riteo> I just can't sleep well giving the door to my communication to a service which I'll probably not even want to pay in the first place
2021-03-31T18:47:35 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty simple, but written in Golang by a Crazy Wayland Guy
2021-03-31T18:47:59 #kisslinux <acheam> people on bouncers can use the "away" message to indicate them being not present
2021-03-31T18:48:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I never use it though
2021-03-31T18:48:17 #kisslinux <riteo> it looks pretty cool
2021-03-31T18:48:41 #kisslinux <riteo> the issue is that I don't own a vps nor plan to buy one, so I don't think I can host it
2021-03-31T18:48:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-31T18:48:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I can give you an account on mine
2021-03-31T18:48:59 #kisslinux <riteo> self-hosting would be useless too, so probably the UPS approach is the best
2021-03-31T18:50:13 #kisslinux <riteo> oh
2021-03-31T18:50:18 #kisslinux <riteo> really?
2021-03-31T18:51:31 #kisslinux <riteo> Thanks for the offer but I think I'm gonna pass on that one, I really don't want to bother anyone, plus I think that I should fix the problem at its root and find out what is shorting my router breaker
2021-03-31T18:51:47 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-03-31T18:53:09 #kisslinux <riteo> if my disconnects are bothering you I can stop joining for now until my grid stabilizes a bit
2021-03-31T18:54:53 #kisslinux <acheam> no its fine
2021-03-31T18:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I have my client set to hide joins/parts so it doesn't make a difference to me
2021-03-31T19:00:42 #kisslinux <riteo> hi again tink
2021-03-31T19:03:34 #kisslinux <tink> riteo Since I'm on Windows at the moment, I just use Ungoogled Chromium for a lot of things; so I just log in whenever I want to say something here in this channel. Normally, I'm on freenode.logbot.info, reading logs.
2021-03-31T19:45:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> ugh, going back to doing Lisp stuff after having worked on C and shell for a couple weeks is giving me a headache
2021-03-31T19:45:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> two totally different ways of thinking about shit... I need a drink
2021-03-31T20:12:07 #kisslinux <acheam> just add some parenthesis
2021-03-31T20:12:11 #kisslinux <acheam> problem fixed
2021-03-31T20:17:37 #kisslinux <legahc> Recently WeeChat with znc so far so good
2021-03-31T20:26:14 #kisslinux <acheam> the amount of bs in this thread
2021-03-31T20:26:16 #kisslinux <acheam> https://teddit.ggc-project.de/r/Gentoo/comments/mam6ax/use_busybox_as_a_substitute_of_coreutils/
2021-03-31T20:27:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I made a mistake going to r/gentoo
2021-03-31T20:28:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> but gentoo so minimal
2021-03-31T20:28:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i am in recontrol of my recomputer
2021-03-31T20:28:52 #kisslinux <acheam> reeeeeee
2021-03-31T20:29:16 #kisslinux <jslick> Does portage not make use of gnu extensions?
2021-03-31T20:32:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> portage is a python program
2021-03-31T20:32:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...oh wait, looking at the thread, dev has said it does require gnu tools
2021-03-31T20:32:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fucking lame
2021-03-31T20:35:06 #kisslinux <acheam> huh I didn't know that portage is python
2021-03-31T20:35:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to someone I used to be friends with, it is
2021-03-31T20:35:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> admittedly I've never used gentoo
2021-03-31T20:35:41 #kisslinux <acheam> gentoo is the ubuntu of source based distros
2021-03-31T20:36:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, this, but unironically
2021-03-31T20:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> i intended it unironically
2021-03-31T20:36:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait would that make source mage the debian of source distros
2021-03-31T20:36:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also there's the whole "is slackware a from-source distro"
2021-03-31T20:36:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like it's kind of on the border
2021-03-31T20:36:47 #kisslinux <acheam> slackware is void
2021-03-31T20:36:58 #kisslinux <acheam> s/void/Void Linux
2021-03-31T20:37:00 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> slackware is Void Linux
2021-03-31T20:37:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl slackware with fluxbox is comfy
2021-03-31T20:37:33 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-03-31T20:37:36 #kisslinux <acheam> joes window manager
2021-03-31T20:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> jwm is okay for like
2021-03-31T20:37:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> puppy
2021-03-31T20:38:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think fluxbox strikes a nice balance between flexibility, stability, efficiency and features
2021-03-31T20:38:55 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: s/flexibility/fluxibility
2021-03-31T20:38:56 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> i think fluxbox strikes a nice balance between fluxibility, stability, efficiency and features
2021-03-31T20:39:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> also, tabbed windows are hhhh~
2021-03-31T20:39:11 #kisslinux <acheam> tabs bad
2021-03-31T20:39:14 #kisslinux <acheam> confusing
2021-03-31T20:39:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> tabs based
2021-03-31T20:39:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly i'd rather the WM implement tabbing than use something like tabbed
2021-03-31T20:39:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> because tabbed relies on every program having xembed support
2021-03-31T20:39:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> which... most don't
2021-03-31T20:40:24 #kisslinux <acheam> idk maybe tabs could be interesting actually
2021-03-31T20:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> but i like spectrwm too much
2021-03-31T20:40:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> you should really try fluxbox if you've never used it, acheam
2021-03-31T20:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> even if it's just for a few minutes
2021-03-31T20:40:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I have
2021-03-31T20:40:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> o
2021-03-31T20:40:51 #kisslinux <acheam> (never tried customizing it though)
2021-03-31T20:40:56 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like muh tiling
2021-03-31T20:40:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty easy
2021-03-31T20:41:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is that standalone bars are fucking T R A S H
2021-03-31T20:41:18 #kisslinux <acheam> tie.ling.
2021-03-31T20:41:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I wanted tiling I'd implement it in FvwmScript
2021-03-31T20:41:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't
2021-03-31T20:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could probably implement tabs in FvwmScript too but...
2021-03-31T20:42:08 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders
2021-03-31T20:42:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> dear god no
2021-03-31T21:11:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> painstakingly compiled an encrypted algorithm compiler for my girlfriend because the sysadmins at her school refuse to install protobuf3
2021-03-31T21:11:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> built it as statically as humanly possible
2021-03-31T21:11:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> passes the tests on my computer perfectly
2021-03-31T21:11:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> passes the tests on her vm marvelously
2021-03-31T21:11:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> scp it to the server
2021-03-31T21:11:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'missing symbol'
2021-03-31T21:11:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck RHEL frfr
2021-03-31T21:15:06 #kisslinux <acheam> can you compile it on the server?
2021-03-31T21:15:28 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, I presume you can't given that thats what you didn't do from the start
2021-03-31T21:16:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> we tried
2021-03-31T21:16:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> identical symbol error when doing so
2021-03-31T21:16:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's something wrong with... something
2021-03-31T21:16:54 #kisslinux <acheam> install kiss on it
2021-03-31T21:16:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the thing is, the symbols are all IN the library
2021-03-31T21:16:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-31T21:17:03 #kisslinux <acheam> we shall expand our empire with force!
2021-03-31T21:17:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wanted to suggest a kiss chroot but she can't use sudo :v
2021-03-31T21:17:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> if they give me credit/acknowledgement in the paper they will be references to KISS somewhere in there don't you worry
2021-03-31T21:17:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> #manifestdestiny
2021-03-31T21:17:48 #kisslinux <acheam> yes!
2021-03-31T21:17:57 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss shall be known in academia for centuries to come
2021-03-31T21:18:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> is manifest destiny our distro slogan
2021-03-31T21:18:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> heck naw
2021-03-31T21:18:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta be something like...
2021-03-31T21:18:21 #kisslinux <acheam> what is it then
2021-03-31T21:18:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> dream distro meme distro
2021-03-31T21:18:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> what you wish gentoo could've been
2021-03-31T21:18:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the slogan can't just be a fucking description
2021-03-31T21:18:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:c
2021-03-31T21:19:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'the meme has gone too far'
2021-03-31T21:19:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> hold onto your lips?
2021-03-31T21:19:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> "KISS Linux: 'The meme has gone too far'"
2021-03-31T21:19:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...
2021-03-31T21:19:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> Slogan of the day?
2021-03-31T21:19:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> -wayne gretzky -michael scott -dilyn corner
2021-03-31T21:22:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so 9front has "The front fell off", kiss has "the meme has gone too far"?
2021-03-31T21:23:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's probably a better one
2021-03-31T21:23:32 #kisslinux <acheam> we should also do a thing like that
2021-03-31T21:23:40 #kisslinux <acheam> the front fell off is good
2021-03-31T21:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> (for those not in the know, https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM)
2021-03-31T22:08:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oooooooo!
2021-03-31T22:08:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> SDF is running a Plan 9 seminar!
2021-03-31T22:19:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> stock plan9, or a forK?
2021-03-31T22:20:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> Stock, I would assume. They don't mention any forks in the mail I received
2021-03-31T22:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila>  I'll probably register... I don't have anything going on, and I've been meaning to check out P9, doubly so after the recent re-license under GPL
2021-03-31T22:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-03-31T22:37:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought they relicensed under MIT
2021-03-31T22:37:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> I swore it was GPLv2
2021-03-31T22:37:38 #kisslinux <acheam> http://p9f.org/about.html
2021-03-31T22:37:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT
2021-03-31T22:37:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> you were right
2021-03-31T22:38:06 #kisslinux <acheam> always am.
2021-03-31T22:38:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno about that
2021-03-31T22:38:38 #kisslinux <acheam> you're saying more about yourself than you are about me
2021-03-31T22:39:13 #kisslinux * midfavila rolls their eyes
2021-03-31T22:44:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> plan9 is officially bae
2021-03-31T22:44:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> suck it gpl
2021-03-31T22:46:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh hey, there's a SAS SSD on ebay for like thirty bucks unused
2021-03-31T22:46:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> tempting
2021-03-31T22:51:18 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Has anyone used the 9base utilities?
2021-03-31T22:51:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i tried for a while
2021-03-31T22:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> it... wasn't great
2021-03-31T22:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're even more stripped down than the suckless tools in a lot of cases
2021-03-31T22:52:11 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I see, a bit too sparse.
2021-03-31T23:00:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I could never get 9base to build...
2021-03-31T23:01:31 #kisslinux <acheam> not based
2021-03-31T23:02:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-31T23:21:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> * midfavila rolls their eyes
2021-03-31T23:21:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you're now gender-neutral or what
2021-03-31T23:21:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> based
2021-03-31T23:21:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> welcome to the club mid
2021-03-31T23:22:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> s/club/church/
2021-03-31T23:22:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://www.devever.net/~hl/newchurch
2021-03-31T23:22:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/club/club/
2021-03-31T23:22:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, philosophically unsophisticated people shouldn't be listened to when they try to tell you about gender identity
2021-03-31T23:23:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> just because somebody opts for a certain identity doesn't mean they are a participant in the /culture war/
2021-03-31T23:23:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you support newspeak gender pronouns, you support the newchurch
2021-03-31T23:23:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> disagree
2021-03-31T23:24:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> with that entire conditional, fwiw
2021-03-31T23:33:40 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
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