2021-03-08T00:09:05 #kisslinux oh, a kisslinux cloak 2021-03-08T00:10:28 #kisslinux there's some sort of official confirmation to get one, right? 2021-03-08T00:17:47 #kisslinux I think you need to be a freenode group admin or smthng to get it, but kiedtl is the expert 2021-03-08T00:18:35 #kisslinux although idk becuase mid has it, and he's not an op 2021-03-08T00:18:59 #kisslinux if anyone can get it for fun I would love to 2021-03-08T00:19:14 #kisslinux somebody who's associated with the project has to ask for it to be granted to someone else 2021-03-08T00:19:29 #kisslinux but I think it would be best to leave kiss cloak policy up to dilyn 2021-03-08T00:19:49 #kisslinux also you should totes give me op kthx 2021-03-08T00:20:02 #kisslinux 4 ops in a 75 person channel lol 2021-03-08T00:20:34 #kisslinux lowkey don't know irc ops 2021-03-08T00:20:35 #kisslinux also, why do some people op chanserv? 2021-03-08T00:21:03 #kisslinux idk freenode sysops either but you don't really have to 2021-03-08T00:21:04 #kisslinux just be like 2021-03-08T00:21:12 #kisslinux "hey yeah uh this guy can have one." 2021-03-08T00:21:22 #kisslinux at least afaik 2021-03-08T00:21:28 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T00:21:37 #kisslinux that's basically how I got one 2021-03-08T00:21:43 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-08T00:21:43 #kisslinux freenode takes 'decentralized platform' to the most literal of extremes eh 2021-03-08T00:21:53 #kisslinux freenode is the definition of a centralized platform 2021-03-08T00:21:55 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T00:22:07 #kisslinux hey hey hey, there's OFTC too! 2021-03-08T00:22:15 #kisslinux "OFTC"? 2021-03-08T00:22:19 #kisslinux aint no monopoly here 2021-03-08T00:22:36 #kisslinux centralized doesn't imply monopoly 2021-03-08T00:22:51 #kisslinux it's just that IRC operates on the assumption of a central server(s) that clients connect to 2021-03-08T00:23:00 #kisslinux I mean, in terms of linuxy/open-sourcy IRC communities, freenode is the king 2021-03-08T00:23:04 #kisslinux well yeah 2021-03-08T00:23:08 #kisslinux they're pretty de facto 2021-03-08T00:23:16 #kisslinux some groups are on OFTC, but thats about it 2021-03-08T00:23:18 #kisslinux all the places I used to frequent are either dead or cringe 2021-03-08T00:23:33 #kisslinux see: 2600net (cringe) furnet (both) 2021-03-08T00:23:57 #kisslinux why might I ask were you engaging in furnet 2021-03-08T00:24:04 #kisslinux because I'm a massive furfag 2021-03-08T00:24:08 #kisslinux what, it wasn't obvious? 2021-03-08T00:24:17 #kisslinux or is my camoflauge just that good 2021-03-08T00:24:35 #kisslinux oi we don't say that word here 2021-03-08T00:24:44 #kisslinux i can say that word if I'm referring to myself -w- 2021-03-08T00:24:57 #kisslinux something something self deprecation 2021-03-08T00:25:16 #kisslinux yo dawg 2021-03-08T00:25:28 #kisslinux ? 2021-03-08T00:25:58 #kisslinux midfavila1: the problem is that its "self deprecation" because of the contents of another word 2021-03-08T00:26:07 #kisslinux it shouldn't be, just don't say it 2021-03-08T00:26:10 #kisslinux * midfavila1 eyerolls 2021-03-08T00:26:13 #kisslinux yeah okay dad 2021-03-08T00:26:29 #kisslinux are ye winning, son? 2021-03-08T00:26:41 #kisslinux i lost before I was born 2021-03-08T00:26:46 #kisslinux born to FEEL 2021-03-08T00:33:33 #kisslinux isn't in the statutes of kiss something like "there shall never be rules regarding speech" 2021-03-08T00:34:29 #kisslinux yes, i dont see anyone actively putting up with someone being explicitly belligerant and disruptive 2021-03-08T00:34:32 #kisslinux not that mid is 2021-03-08T00:34:36 #kisslinux mind you 2021-03-08T00:34:52 #kisslinux was gonna say, i'm not really a mean-spirited person 2021-03-08T00:35:16 #kisslinux i don't think maliciousness should be tolerated. the problem is that determining intent and context in a text medium isn't the easiest thing to do 2021-03-08T00:35:18 #kisslinux no, i just find that "no rules regarding speech" always has a limit, and that tends to be the status quo/peace of the server 2021-03-08T00:35:53 #kisslinux that just makes it "no rules regarding speech... unless we don't like your speech" 2021-03-08T00:36:03 #kisslinux which is otherwise known as "pandering" 2021-03-08T00:36:14 #kisslinux right, but using a slur is different 2021-03-08T00:36:24 #kisslinux if I want to call myself everything under the sun, like 2021-03-08T00:36:27 #kisslinux what're you gonna do 2021-03-08T00:36:31 #kisslinux ban me for making fun of myself? 2021-03-08T00:36:34 #kisslinux tell you not to do it here 2021-03-08T00:36:46 #kisslinux it's really easy not to use slurs 2021-03-08T00:36:56 #kisslinux it's really easy to not get your panties in a twist 2021-03-08T00:36:57 #kisslinux * midfavila1 shrugs 2021-03-08T00:37:08 #kisslinux if the way you make fun of yourself is by using words that have been used in the context of centuries of opression and murder, then yes 2021-03-08T00:37:29 #kisslinux kind of uptight but whatever dude 2021-03-08T00:38:26 #kisslinux something something know your audience 2021-03-08T00:38:32 #kisslinux something something don't just say shit cus you can 2021-03-08T00:38:41 #kisslinux something something... know your audiene 2021-03-08T00:38:47 #kisslinux s/audiene/audience 2021-03-08T00:38:48 #kisslinux something something... know your audience 2021-03-08T00:38:49 #kisslinux /shrugh 2021-03-08T00:39:11 #kisslinux sure. 2021-03-08T00:39:32 #kisslinux Feel free to check. There was tho more shells but I'm unsure about their features/completeness fully https://github.com/nxghtmvrx/guides/blob/master/alternatives.md 2021-03-08T00:40:16 #kisslinux is this a more niche version of the suckless.org 'sucks less' list? 2021-03-08T00:40:29 #kisslinux nah its an addition to mayfrost's alternatives 2021-03-08T00:40:31 #kisslinux wow, niche software! my favorite kind of software 2021-03-08T00:40:35 #kisslinux I like how the fetch tool is pfetch -> ufetch and not neofetch -> ufetch 2021-03-08T00:40:48 #kisslinux tell them to add s 2021-03-08T00:40:55 #kisslinux because they are already in mayfrost/guides 2021-03-08T00:41:10 #kisslinux i was actually gonna suggest maybe including the mayfrost ones for completeness 2021-03-08T00:41:13 #kisslinux oh, mrsh is on this 2021-03-08T00:41:14 #kisslinux ew 2021-03-08T00:41:15 #kisslinux and highlighting the additions 2021-03-08T00:41:20 #kisslinux needs startx -> write your own 2021-03-08T00:41:33 #kisslinux just manually start an X server 2021-03-08T00:41:34 #kisslinux makes it easier to see whats *missing* and not just featured in mayfrost's one 2021-03-08T00:41:36 #kisslinux kids these days 2021-03-08T00:43:03 #kisslinux https://chiselapp.com/ pretty 2021-03-08T00:43:09 #kisslinux git -> fossil 2021-03-08T00:43:14 #kisslinux they don't even have sls as an alternative to su 2021-03-08T00:43:20 #kisslinux Well I would just pr this stuff to mayfrost but since he's gone for a while there's this for now 2021-03-08T00:43:43 #kisslinux yeah, you might have an easier time forking his version and adding these to the fork 2021-03-08T00:43:44 #kisslinux imo 2021-03-08T00:43:45 #kisslinux sls == ssu 2021-03-08T00:43:52 #kisslinux dilyn: I like how you've turned towards fossil :) 2021-03-08T00:44:01 #kisslinux oh, is sls called ssu too? 2021-03-08T00:44:01 #kisslinux although I don't even use it 2021-03-08T00:44:02 #kisslinux it's interesting! i want to play more with it 2021-03-08T00:44:05 #kisslinux i've never heard it called that 2021-03-08T00:44:13 #kisslinux I need a comparable workflow to git to decide if i like it tho 2021-03-08T00:44:23 #kisslinux it was recently renamed 2021-03-08T00:44:25 #kisslinux they renamed 2021-03-08T00:44:40 #kisslinux do you not use the community repos? there was a notice in the update file for like a week 2021-03-08T00:44:46 #kisslinux kek 2021-03-08T00:44:53 #kisslinux #maintainyourownrepos 2021-03-08T00:45:00 #kisslinux I don't really use the community repos because nothing I use is in them. 2021-03-08T00:45:25 #kisslinux nxghtmvrx, you know musl libc wiki's alternatives page ? 2021-03-08T00:45:25 #kisslinux mostly it's a "man I really don't want to spend five hours packaging software" thing when I check the community repo 2021-03-08T00:45:31 #kisslinux i don't even think I've switched to the new one 2021-03-08T00:45:33 #kisslinux honestly my biggest interest in fossil is to continue paring down GPL software :v 2021-03-08T00:45:50 #kisslinux You mean old one or new one? Since they migrated 2021-03-08T00:46:06 #kisslinux old 2021-03-08T00:46:16 #kisslinux old and new is same 2021-03-08T00:46:20 #kisslinux except css 2021-03-08T00:46:30 #kisslinux well, I wasn't intending much to switch 2021-03-08T00:46:43 #kisslinux community is mostly irrelevant to my systems 2021-03-08T00:46:55 #kisslinux i think nxghtmvrx was talking about musl wiki, but i could be wrong 2021-03-08T00:47:00 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T00:47:02 #kisslinux * midfavila1 facepalms 2021-03-08T00:47:22 #kisslinux Then I'll look into it. Thanks for info. I got that you meant they have alternatives list too 2021-03-08T00:47:26 #kisslinux KISS on the projects using musl list when 2021-03-08T00:47:33 #kisslinux Rich come on bud 2021-03-08T00:47:37 #kisslinux when you get around to hitting them 2021-03-08T00:47:43 #kisslinux Rich is busy 2021-03-08T00:47:50 #kisslinux hit them harder 2021-03-08T00:47:51 #kisslinux https://wiki.musl-libc.org/alternatives.html 2021-03-08T00:47:54 #kisslinux i recommend a two by four 2021-03-08T00:48:04 #kisslinux it's probably 60+% written by yours truly 2021-03-08T00:48:21 #kisslinux Love how glaucus is listed but it's just lfs smh 2021-03-08T00:48:35 #kisslinux Yeah that's a treausre. Glaucus lol 2021-03-08T00:48:36 #kisslinux is it? 2021-03-08T00:48:37 #kisslinux :P 2021-03-08T00:48:45 #kisslinux doesn't the author idle in this channel... 2021-03-08T00:48:56 #kisslinux i mean, i imagine most modern "standalone" distros are actually just LFS 2021-03-08T00:48:57 #kisslinux the wiki/howto is very similar to LFS 2021-03-08T00:49:01 #kisslinux indeed 2021-03-08T00:49:06 #kisslinux i mean KISS is just lfs without the steps 2021-03-08T00:49:14 #kisslinux different libc, init, etc 2021-03-08T00:49:20 #kisslinux and package manager 2021-03-08T00:49:21 #kisslinux actually 2021-03-08T00:49:32 #kisslinux the main reason I switched to KISS was because I got sick of redoing LFS for every new machine 2021-03-08T00:49:33 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T00:49:44 #kisslinux originally I was going to tweak LFS and slap pkgsrc on top 2021-03-08T00:49:58 #kisslinux but then my hard drive died in the middle of backing it up to a tarball 2021-03-08T00:50:01 #kisslinux honestly, same 2021-03-08T00:50:02 #kisslinux and I ragequit 2021-03-08T00:50:24 #kisslinux after that I used sorcery for a couple weeks 2021-03-08T00:50:26 #kisslinux then ragequit 2021-03-08T00:50:37 #kisslinux because it's way too easy to destroy your machine with sorcery' 2021-03-08T00:50:39 #kisslinux sorcery* 2021-03-08T00:50:40 #kisslinux I got stuck on the 'package management' page for so long coming up with how exactly I wanted to do it, and then I say Dylan's post about kiss and was like 'fuck this dude read my mind' 2021-03-08T00:50:45 #kisslinux wtf is sorcery 2021-03-08T00:50:52 #kisslinux a package manager! 2021-03-08T00:50:54 #kisslinux for... crux? 2021-03-08T00:50:58 #kisslinux source mage's package manager 2021-03-08T00:50:59 #kisslinux sourcemage 2021-03-08T00:51:01 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T00:51:06 #kisslinux Has anyone gotten themes working with grub no matter what I do I can't seem to get this to work: https://github.com/vinceliuice/grub2-themes 2021-03-08T00:51:07 #kisslinux crux uses pkgtools 2021-03-08T00:51:16 #kisslinux I know what i'm talking about shush 2021-03-08T00:51:17 #kisslinux imagine using bloated grub 2021-03-08T00:51:21 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T00:51:24 #kisslinux ive never bothered with grub themes 2021-03-08T00:51:24 #kisslinux use extlinux or lilo 2021-03-08T00:51:29 #kisslinux ew liilo 2021-03-08T00:51:29 #kisslinux I used to use efi stub but meh 2021-03-08T00:51:33 #kisslinux grub is a hot mess 2021-03-08T00:51:36 #kisslinux muevoid: i always just used a userspace grub themer because I could never get it to work otherwise 2021-03-08T00:51:51 #kisslinux grub just doesn't work for me 2021-03-08T00:51:56 #kisslinux also that 2021-03-08T00:51:57 #kisslinux at all 2021-03-08T00:52:33 #kisslinux i wanted to try kboot 2021-03-08T00:52:33 #kisslinux I don't like grub but I was having issues with efi stub so I figure if I'm using it should at least make it look nice 2021-03-08T00:52:42 #kisslinux since it's pretty minimal and flexible 2021-03-08T00:52:57 #kisslinux but it requires you use the boot sector code from extlinux 2021-03-08T00:52:59 #kisslinux or write your own 2021-03-08T00:53:10 #kisslinux and I'm too much of a brainlet to write my own and too lazy to switch my machines over 2021-03-08T00:53:44 #kisslinux I'm probably doing something wrong because lilo never worked for me. I would use it if I could 2021-03-08T00:53:44 #kisslinux #dilyn what do you mean a userspace grub themer? like grub-customizer? 2021-03-08T00:53:50 #kisslinux also MueVoid the best-looking bootloader is the one you look at the least 2021-03-08T00:54:09 #kisslinux nxghtmvrx LILO sometimes just doesn't work. it's a distro thing 2021-03-08T00:54:18 #kisslinux Fair but grub just works *shrug* 2021-03-08T00:54:28 #kisslinux like if your toolchain is fucked 2021-03-08T00:54:31 #kisslinux lilo will still build 2021-03-08T00:54:35 #kisslinux it just... won't run 2021-03-08T00:54:43 #kisslinux I really want to use efistub but again was having issues with it 2021-03-08T00:55:44 #kisslinux Why isn't there just simply dumb thing that works. Grub is bad 2021-03-08T00:55:52 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T00:55:54 #kisslinux there is 2021-03-08T00:55:57 #kisslinux it's called extlinux 2021-03-08T00:56:26 #kisslinux dd the boot code onto your boot sector, write a five line config file, run extlinux on your boot partition, and it just werks 2021-03-08T00:56:35 #kisslinux don't do anything stupid and it'll continue to just werk 2021-03-08T00:57:21 #kisslinux sounds nice. I'll try 2021-03-08T00:57:35 #kisslinux actually come to think of it why isn't extlinux the standard kiss bootloader 2021-03-08T00:57:41 #kisslinux as opposed to, of all things, GRUB 2021-03-08T00:58:20 #kisslinux Most common thing on the "rebel" distro? Lol 2021-03-08T00:58:43 #kisslinux well, no. it's just that grub is massively bloated 2021-03-08T00:59:11 #kisslinux Ofc. Same as soystemd, glibc and etc 2021-03-08T00:59:15 #kisslinux the bootloader should do one thing. load your kernel and execute it 2021-03-08T00:59:27 #kisslinux no menus, no fancy themes, no built-in command shell 2021-03-08T00:59:43 #kisslinux extlinux has none of that by default 2021-03-08T00:59:54 #kisslinux it has a tiny menu 2021-03-08T01:00:00 #kisslinux no, it doesn't 2021-03-08T01:00:04 #kisslinux that's seperate 2021-03-08T01:00:18 #kisslinux Does extlinux support kernel parameters for things such as initramfs? 2021-03-08T01:00:21 #kisslinux yes 2021-03-08T01:00:34 #kisslinux i'll post my config file 2021-03-08T01:00:43 #kisslinux ui menu.c32 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux prompt 0 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux menu title Boot Menu 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux timeout 50 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux default default 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux label default 2021-03-08T01:00:44 #kisslinux linux ../vmlinuz 2021-03-08T01:00:45 #kisslinux append ro root=/dev/sda2 quiet resume=/dev/sda3 2021-03-08T01:00:48 #kisslinux Who the hell cares what the bootloader is as long as it works. Just give me simple thing that even a caveman could understand 2021-03-08T01:00:52 #kisslinux not even long enough to justify uploading to 0x0 2021-03-08T01:01:08 #kisslinux "menu title" 2021-03-08T01:01:09 #kisslinux and the "who the hell cares" are the people who want a stable, fast, reliable bootloader 2021-03-08T01:01:32 #kisslinux sh4rm4^bnc yeah I have the menu enabled 2021-03-08T01:01:41 #kisslinux and relevant files in my boot partition 2021-03-08T01:01:42 #kisslinux how difficult is it to replace grub with extlinux? 2021-03-08T01:01:46 #kisslinux not at all 2021-03-08T01:01:47 #kisslinux Well because simplest thing is what works and everyone can understand obv 2021-03-08T01:02:06 #kisslinux one sec laptop is about to die 2021-03-08T01:02:07 #kisslinux docking time 2021-03-08T01:02:30 #kisslinux for some reason the menu doesnt work anymore on my other pc 2021-03-08T01:02:49 #kisslinux as in: i can select another entry, but it always loads default 2021-03-08T01:03:03 #kisslinux check to make sure your labels are consistent 2021-03-08T01:03:16 #kisslinux in which regard 2021-03-08T01:03:32 #kisslinux in regard to your kernel 2021-03-08T01:03:43 #kisslinux so like if I made a second entry for "default" in the config above 2021-03-08T01:03:54 #kisslinux no matter which I chose it would still load my "default" config 2021-03-08T01:04:16 #kisslinux well obviously i gave it another name 2021-03-08T01:04:20 #kisslinux something like safeboot 2021-03-08T01:04:20 #kisslinux just checking 2021-03-08T01:04:26 #kisslinux I forget how do you make it so you are automatically logged in to tty? 2021-03-08T01:04:36 #kisslinux depends on your tty 2021-03-08T01:04:44 #kisslinux The default one with KISS 2021-03-08T01:04:50 #kisslinux busybox? no idea 2021-03-08T01:05:10 #kisslinux probably edit /etc/inittab 2021-03-08T01:05:17 #kisslinux execute a shell prompt as your "login" 2021-03-08T01:05:20 #kisslinux Thank you 2021-03-08T01:06:26 #kisslinux Isn't ignite deprecated? Whi it is on musl alternatives list? 2021-03-08T01:06:39 #kisslinux r/Whi/Why 2021-03-08T01:06:52 #kisslinux How would I make it so when I log into tty it auto runs a command such as sway? I'm assuming something in .profile? 2021-03-08T01:07:04 #kisslinux that list isn't maintained perfectly 2021-03-08T01:07:17 #kisslinux MueVoid: yeah that works 2021-03-08T01:07:19 #kisslinux idk man just write a shell script to execute stuff and then set that as your login under inittab 2021-03-08T01:07:24 #kisslinux that's how I'd do it 2021-03-08T01:08:02 #kisslinux the list needs an overhaul 2021-03-08T01:08:34 #kisslinux for example kripto was deleted by its author 2021-03-08T01:09:28 #kisslinux Autoexec stuff with .profile was on kiss's wiki install guide in xorg I think 2021-03-08T01:10:26 #kisslinux thing is 2021-03-08T01:10:30 #kisslinux if the program hangs 2021-03-08T01:10:33 #kisslinux you don't get a prompt 2021-03-08T01:10:38 #kisslinux it just... stays like that 2021-03-08T01:11:01 #kisslinux mmh, that toolkit looks nice http://enchantia.com/software/graphapp/images/monty.png 2021-03-08T01:11:05 #kisslinux unless you background it or whatever 2021-03-08T01:11:26 #kisslinux that does look nice. MOTIF or? 2021-03-08T01:11:34 #kisslinux "graphapp" 2021-03-08T01:11:37 #kisslinux the buttons don't look very MOTIF-y 2021-03-08T01:11:37 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T01:12:05 #kisslinux honestly I wish modern programs looked more like that 2021-03-08T01:12:18 #kisslinux sure you can just theme them but it doesn't replicate the look all that well 2021-03-08T01:12:20 #kisslinux nor the feel 2021-03-08T01:12:27 #kisslinux thats why i like curses programs 2021-03-08T01:12:29 #kisslinux imo 2021-03-08T01:12:45 #kisslinux oh hey that screenshot is of a program under FVWM too 2021-03-08T01:12:47 #kisslinux very cool 2021-03-08T01:13:35 #kisslinux that toolkit looks cancerous 2021-03-08T01:13:46 #kisslinux go back to KDE >:c 2021-03-08T01:13:57 #kisslinux this is an aesthetic zone 2021-03-08T01:14:02 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T01:14:28 #kisslinux http://chiselapp.com/user/aplsimple/repository/HOWTO_chisel/doc/trunk/doc/www/chisel_en.html this is the most aggravating how-to i've ever read in my life 2021-03-08T01:14:46 #kisslinux http://enchantia.com/software/graphapp/doc/examples/images/alldemo.png 2021-03-08T01:15:03 #kisslinux :sick: 2021-03-08T01:15:12 #kisslinux very windows 95 2021-03-08T01:15:22 #kisslinux although that shade of purple-blue is... less than stellar 2021-03-08T01:15:45 #kisslinux Muh colors 2021-03-08T01:16:05 #kisslinux  Just set it to something dark with bright font 2021-03-08T01:17:21 #kisslinux bright with dark font is more my speed 2021-03-08T01:17:43 #kisslinux i'm very much a traditionalist when it comes to my UI colors 2021-03-08T01:18:08 #kisslinux white for text input areas, black font, varying shades of gray for most else 2021-03-08T01:18:20 #kisslinux maybe a splash of vibrancy to indicate focus or activity 2021-03-08T01:18:43 #kisslinux Sometimes I do it too but only on things that is crucial for reading like e-books and stuff. Otherwise revert 2021-03-08T01:20:19 #kisslinux http://0x0.st/-PDB.png 2021-03-08T01:20:25 #kisslinux for reference this is my current setup 2021-03-08T01:20:46 #kisslinux still working on the shelf's fonts 2021-03-08T01:20:50 #kisslinux not sure what's up with them 2021-03-08T01:20:51 #kisslinux god i hate how chunky that is 2021-03-08T01:21:03 #kisslinux see I love bevels and general chunkiness 2021-03-08T01:21:14 #kisslinux so much wasted spaaaaaaaaaaaace 2021-03-08T01:21:19 #kisslinux a;sdlhfpasdf 2021-03-08T01:21:22 #kisslinux that's so gross wtf 2021-03-08T01:21:34 #kisslinux cancel it 2021-03-08T01:21:43 #kisslinux ew light theme too 2021-03-08T01:21:45 #kisslinux What wm is that? Looks familiar 2021-03-08T01:21:48 #kisslinux FVFWM 2021-03-08T01:21:50 #kisslinux FVWM* 2021-03-08T01:22:14 #kisslinux most of the widgets in that image are modules for FWVM 2021-03-08T01:22:30 #kisslinux although the little bars embedded in the shelf on the right are from a program called xosview 2021-03-08T01:22:36 #kisslinux and the clock is xclock 2021-03-08T01:23:17 #kisslinux all in all it's like maybe around 20mb of memory usage 2021-03-08T01:23:49 #kisslinux normally I have a compositor running too but you'd never know because I don't use muh drop shadows 2021-03-08T01:24:01 #kisslinux yeah FVWM is efficient as hell at least stock 2021-03-08T01:24:21 #kisslinux unless you spawn dozens of buttons instances it tends to stay efficient 2021-03-08T01:24:44 #kisslinux also re: wasted space 2021-03-08T01:24:58 #kisslinux it's like maybe 1/12 of the screen 2021-03-08T01:25:09 #kisslinux this is a low res laptop anyway hence multiple desktops 2021-03-08T01:25:21 #kisslinux and if I want to get something done I use my workstation 2021-03-08T01:25:23 #kisslinux so 2021-03-08T01:25:58 #kisslinux Yeah me who uses dwm lol. So this is just toy for you for fun then 2021-03-08T01:26:07 #kisslinux not really 2021-03-08T01:26:10 #kisslinux this is my daily driver 2021-03-08T01:26:21 #kisslinux why are the only guides for setting up fossil mirrors the same dude's 2018 blog post mirrored to his three different sites... 2021-03-08T01:26:24 #kisslinux this is frustrating as fuck 2021-03-08T01:26:38 #kisslinux it's designed for usability on both tablets and regular usage without too much bloat 2021-03-08T01:26:38 #kisslinux because fossill sucks? 2021-03-08T01:26:48 #kisslinux lel 2021-03-08T01:26:56 #kisslinux (just a guess, don't know it actually) 2021-03-08T01:27:14 #kisslinux i mean it's certainly not... used? 2021-03-08T01:27:21 #kisslinux there's like basically no content for it 2021-03-08T01:27:24 #kisslinux that automatically means it's bad 2021-03-08T01:27:28 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T01:27:37 #kisslinux don't you know that the market only uses objectively good technology 2021-03-08T01:27:45 #kisslinux though the concept of stuffing everything into an sql file seems ill-advised 2021-03-08T01:27:48 #kisslinux it's a fact that anyone who disagrees with said market is just wrong and misguided 2021-03-08T01:27:48 #kisslinux Good is bad 2021-03-08T01:27:52 #kisslinux Bad is good 2021-03-08T01:27:56 #kisslinux like it's super interesting but I can't even get the allegedly trivial fossil server repo.fossil to work properly 2021-03-08T01:28:07 #kisslinux "wow guys this is like literally 1984 omg!!!" 2021-03-08T01:28:33 #kisslinux what's your take on 1984 dilyn 2021-03-08T01:28:35 #kisslinux covid 1984 2021-03-08T01:28:35 #kisslinux dilyn: ?? 2021-03-08T01:29:06 #kisslinux `fossil server repo.fossil` won't actually connect to a port so i can view the repository in a webbrowser 2021-03-08T01:29:10 #kisslinux is what i mean 2021-03-08T01:29:18 #kisslinux strange 2021-03-08T01:29:43 #kisslinux anti bloat features built into it I see 2021-03-08T01:29:52 #kisslinux besides; i made what I thought was a successful push to my repo i just made on chiselapp, but the push output is so fucking esoteric that it's unparseable, and even though it LOOKED like something went up, nothing is actually there... 2021-03-08T01:30:09 #kisslinux as a static executable fossil is just 7.1mb 2021-03-08T01:30:15 #kisslinux "just" 2021-03-08T01:30:28 #kisslinux the best version control system is a PHP file directory with tarballs of source and binaries sorted by version 2021-03-08T01:30:30 #kisslinux i mean, it can (allegedly) self host a webser 2021-03-08T01:30:32 #kisslinux webserver 2021-03-08T01:30:40 #kisslinux so if that 3mb is that, it's basically just git 2021-03-08T01:30:56 #kisslinux why would I want my VCS to host a website 2021-03-08T01:31:02 #kisslinux ... 2021-03-08T01:31:07 #kisslinux is that not self evident? 2021-03-08T01:31:15 #kisslinux i get the reason behind it 2021-03-08T01:31:23 #kisslinux my httpserver is 4.3 KB https://github.com/rofl0r/twatscrape/blob/master/httpsrv.py 2021-03-08T01:31:23 #kisslinux but like... i'd rather use a proper web server. 2021-03-08T01:31:32 #kisslinux i mean 2021-03-08T01:31:33 #kisslinux okay 2021-03-08T01:31:41 #kisslinux you could probably do that, i imagine 2021-03-08T01:31:49 #kisslinux 'twatscrape' 2021-03-08T01:31:53 #kisslinux literally END MY IFE 2021-03-08T01:31:58 #kisslinux Roflor stuff? Nice 2021-03-08T01:31:58 #kisslinux triggering 2021-03-08T01:32:01 #kisslinux s/IFE/LIFE/ 2021-03-08T01:32:02 #kisslinux literally END MY LIFE 2021-03-08T01:32:13 #kisslinux Another author of good stuff 2021-03-08T01:32:17 #kisslinux it's me 2021-03-08T01:32:25 #kisslinux it u 2021-03-08T01:32:31 #kisslinux what a twist 2021-03-08T01:32:32 #kisslinux uuuuuu 2021-03-08T01:32:36 #kisslinux uwu 2021-03-08T01:32:42 #kisslinux that's OUR word 2021-03-08T01:32:43 #kisslinux normie 2021-03-08T01:32:59 #kisslinux i'm the least normie cuck this side of the potomac little man 2021-03-08T01:33:15 #kisslinux you've stepped foot inside of starbucks 2021-03-08T01:33:21 #kisslinux that automatically makes you at least somewhat normie 2021-03-08T01:33:26 #kisslinux i've lived inside a starbucks 2021-03-08T01:33:30 #kisslinux that makes me NOT a normie 2021-03-08T01:33:41 #kisslinux i bet you use reddit too 2021-03-08T01:33:48 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T01:33:57 #kisslinux only to collect meaningless internet epeen 2021-03-08T01:34:15 #kisslinux *sips soy latte while posting on r/s4s from my macbook pro* 2021-03-08T01:34:30 #kisslinux aside from r/s4s that's very me 2021-03-08T01:34:40 #kisslinux yep definitely normie 2021-03-08T01:34:42 #kisslinux :P 2021-03-08T01:34:57 #kisslinux >glances at oat milk iced latte on my desk 2021-03-08T01:35:02 #kisslinux congrats you use a normie distro 2021-03-08T01:35:13 #kisslinux necromansy: enjoying their new shaken espressos? 2021-03-08T01:35:27 #kisslinux time to switch back to SMGL 2021-03-08T01:35:27 #kisslinux nah i dont have starbucks near me 2021-03-08T01:35:36 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T01:35:37 #kisslinux you aren't missing out on much 2021-03-08T01:35:44 #kisslinux you'd have to pay me to drink or eat anything from starbucks 2021-03-08T01:36:00 #kisslinux I drank their doubleshots for, I shit you not, six continuous years daily. and tuesday they fucked it all up 2021-03-08T01:36:01 #kisslinux this is an iced latte from a company called Minor Figures, a recent import from britland 2021-03-08T01:36:16 #kisslinux now my drink costs exactly the same and they took away a shot of espresso :'( 2021-03-08T01:36:29 #kisslinux but starbucks is super based you guys 2021-03-08T01:36:34 #kisslinux nah 2021-03-08T01:36:36 #kisslinux just convenient af 2021-03-08T01:36:43 #kisslinux literally just make your own coffee 2021-03-08T01:36:52 #kisslinux it's way cheaper and hardly inconvenient if you have the proper tools 2021-03-08T01:37:01 #kisslinux theres a local cafe just near me i get proper soy lattes from 2021-03-08T01:37:09 #kisslinux otherwise i just make black coffee 2021-03-08T01:37:17 #kisslinux minor figures, what an interesting business... 2021-03-08T01:37:20 #kisslinux if I can make a decent cup of joe with nothing but paper towels and elastic bands then mister barista can totally do the sme 2021-03-08T01:37:24 #kisslinux s/sme/same 2021-03-08T01:37:25 #kisslinux if I can make a decent cup of joe with nothing but paper towels and elastic bands then mister barista can totally do the same 2021-03-08T01:37:30 #kisslinux I make my own coffe now that I have a home bruv 2021-03-08T01:37:43 #kisslinux covfefe 2021-03-08T01:37:47 #kisslinux black coffee all day 2021-03-08T01:37:51 #kisslinux covfefe is bae 2021-03-08T01:37:58 #kisslinux * midfavila1 cringes 2021-03-08T01:38:07 #kisslinux :P 2021-03-08T01:38:17 #kisslinux tea is better anyway 2021-03-08T01:38:18 #kisslinux welcome to hell, buttercup 2021-03-08T01:38:24 #kisslinux NO. N O 2021-03-08T01:38:25 #kisslinux it ain't 2021-03-08T01:38:29 #kisslinux don't mis-spiecies me 2021-03-08T01:38:33 #kisslinux species* 2021-03-08T01:38:35 #kisslinux that's very offensive 2021-03-08T01:38:38 #kisslinux spicies 2021-03-08T01:38:38 #kisslinux cringe is the least word you could use 2021-03-08T01:38:56 #kisslinux also yes tea is objectively superior 2021-03-08T01:39:01 #kisslinux Yeah tea is good but water is better 2021-03-08T01:39:07 #kisslinux water is for normies 2021-03-08T01:39:11 #kisslinux and poor people 2021-03-08T01:39:12 #kisslinux > objective 2021-03-08T01:39:13 #kisslinux of which I am only one 2021-03-08T01:39:14 #kisslinux kekw 2021-03-08T01:39:20 #kisslinux Water is for chads like Luke Smith 2021-03-08T01:39:27 #kisslinux luke smith is hardly chad 2021-03-08T01:39:38 #kisslinux he has some based takes that I agree with but overall idk 2021-03-08T01:39:41 #kisslinux Nah he truly is Vim Diesel 2021-03-08T01:39:46 #kisslinux one cannot simply attain the status of chad 2021-03-08T01:39:53 #kisslinux rather, it is an ideal for us all to strive towards 2021-03-08T01:40:04 #kisslinux embody the spirit of chad in our actions 2021-03-08T01:40:13 #kisslinux luke smith is the most normie chad a boomer could imagine 2021-03-08T01:40:39 #kisslinux most normies would just call him a conspiracy theorist and go back to watching teevee funnees 2021-03-08T01:40:52 #kisslinux "what's a 'sed', anon?" 2021-03-08T01:41:08 #kisslinux "Vim? I use that to clean my sink... why is this man writing with it?" 2021-03-08T01:41:27 #kisslinux Cuz he's based and non-based person would mostly skip him 2021-03-08T01:41:58 #kisslinux idk man 2021-03-08T01:42:11 #kisslinux the SECOND I sit down at my desk 2021-03-08T01:42:15 #kisslinux some jerk calls me 2021-03-08T01:42:21 #kisslinux now I have to actually GET BACK UP 2021-03-08T01:42:25 #kisslinux the absolute nerve 2021-03-08T01:42:39 #kisslinux Cut the cord and be free 2021-03-08T01:43:39 #kisslinux just delete your phone 2021-03-08T01:43:59 #kisslinux if the government can't stalk me that's a problem for them 2021-03-08T01:44:05 #kisslinux and as a result eventually it will be a problem for me 2021-03-08T01:44:39 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx cuts the cord and frees from matrix 2021-03-08T01:45:15 #kisslinux doby is free 2021-03-08T01:46:04 #kisslinux harry potter? in MY obscure IRC channel? 2021-03-08T01:46:08 #kisslinux it's more likely than you think 2021-03-08T01:49:25 #kisslinux believe it or not, jail 2021-03-08T01:49:46 #kisslinux ? 2021-03-08T01:50:39 #kisslinux goodbye, cruel world 2021-03-08T01:50:53 #kisslinux rip in pieces 2021-03-08T01:50:58 #kisslinux rip me 2021-03-08T01:54:02 #kisslinux man I need to finish adding automatic UI scaling to the shelf in my FVWM config... 2021-03-08T01:54:26 #kisslinux everything *except* the spacing between the buttons and the monitoring bars scales 2021-03-08T02:11:21 #kisslinux hi 2021-03-08T02:11:25 #kisslinux hai 2021-03-08T02:18:31 #kisslinux I think I am going to be forking kiss into what I am tentatively calling "Bliss Linux" AKA Bloated KISS Linux. the idea is that it takes the edge off of managing the OS internals, but still gives you packaging freedom. glibc, systemd-init, journald, and boot. Not sure whether i'd be messing with the packaging system at all, although if I were to, it would just be combining all the metadata into 2021-03-08T02:18:33 #kisslinux a single file 2021-03-08T02:18:36 #kisslinux heya testuser_[m] 2021-03-08T02:19:14 #kisslinux so you're just repacking the tarball and making a new base repo, or..? 2021-03-08T02:19:38 #kisslinux yeah pretty much 2021-03-08T02:19:44 #kisslinux also probably an install script 2021-03-08T02:19:56 #kisslinux fair 2021-03-08T02:19:59 #kisslinux kissD already exists 2021-03-08T02:20:11 #kisslinux yeah but this sounds like a normie friendly KISS 2021-03-08T02:20:33 #kisslinux as opposed to something we don't talk about 2021-03-08T02:20:47 #kisslinux https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD 2021-03-08T02:21:02 #kisslinux i've been considering writing a superset of KISS 2021-03-08T02:21:15 #kisslinux testuser_[m]: i'd probably poach some build scripts from kissd 2021-03-08T02:21:20 #kisslinux as in compatible with existing packages but with extended features for QoL 2021-03-08T02:21:34 #kisslinux midfavila: normie friendly, except i'm the normie 2021-03-08T02:21:41 #kisslinux yeah you should probably fix them up though, like some install in /sbin instead of /usr which causes problems with kiss 2021-03-08T02:21:42 #kisslinux normie detected 2021-03-08T02:21:47 #kisslinux termination initiated 2021-03-08T02:21:54 #kisslinux oh god 2021-03-08T02:22:06 #kisslinux programs that go in /sbin make me want to commit die 2021-03-08T02:22:26 #kisslinux "the package thing has conflict errors, please contact the maintainer of this project" 2021-03-08T02:22:38 #kisslinux lawd /sbin is a bane 2021-03-08T02:23:04 #kisslinux talking about /sbin 2021-03-08T02:23:09 #kisslinux just what linux needed, another install loc with more symlinks 2021-03-08T02:23:31 #kisslinux glibc needs you to specify the same configure options again in a "configparams" file else it'll install it's garbage into /sbin 2021-03-08T02:23:34 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rcSkEaUfyRlvSehnipspsqxc/message.txt > 2021-03-08T02:23:36 #kisslinux mfw when zoom symlinks itself to /sbin 2021-03-08T02:23:43 #kisslinux once you actually understand the unix filesystem hierarchy it makes *sense* 2021-03-08T02:23:52 #kisslinux but it's mostly a series of revisions and patches 2021-03-08T02:24:00 #kisslinux for example /usr once served the purpose of home 2021-03-08T02:24:02 #kisslinux i mean it makes sense 2021-03-08T02:24:17 #kisslinux and back in ye olden times, people actually used opt 2021-03-08T02:24:18 #kisslinux midfavila: its not my fault the usrs were programmers okay 2021-03-08T02:24:20 #kisslinux but considering there's like 3 different binary install locations 2021-03-08T02:24:25 #kisslinux and no enforced standard 2021-03-08T02:24:31 #kisslinux and symlinks abound 2021-03-08T02:24:31 #kisslinux Hey, I still use /opt on non-kiss systems 2021-03-08T02:24:33 #kisslinux there's actually seven 2021-03-08T02:24:58 #kisslinux afaik /opt, /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/sbin 2021-03-08T02:25:09 #kisslinux i didnt think opt was for binaries? 2021-03-08T02:25:14 #kisslinux it is 2021-03-08T02:25:16 #kisslinux ffs 2021-03-08T02:25:19 #kisslinux no 2021-03-08T02:25:23 #kisslinux opt is for extremely large and optional software packages 2021-03-08T02:25:24 #kisslinux it's for optional stuff 2021-03-08T02:25:26 #kisslinux its not supposed to be 2021-03-08T02:25:28 #kisslinux opt is indeed for binaries 2021-03-08T02:25:32 #kisslinux ree 2021-03-08T02:25:35 #kisslinux see blfs' kde instructions 2021-03-08T02:25:40 #kisslinux go is by default installed into /opt/go 2021-03-08T02:25:42 #kisslinux libreoffice, virtualbox, etc install themselves to opt 2021-03-08T02:25:44 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T02:25:52 #kisslinux acheam: let me know how it goes :v 2021-03-08T02:26:06 #kisslinux of course, I don't use those 2021-03-08T02:26:14 #kisslinux because any program that demands special treatment needs to be burned 2021-03-08T02:26:23 #kisslinux my system is a dictatorship goddamnit 2021-03-08T02:26:29 #kisslinux and your configure scripts *will* conform 2021-03-08T02:26:31 #kisslinux but in sabotage, /opt is where packages go. /bin/busybox -> /opt/busybox/bin/busybox 2021-03-08T02:26:32 #kisslinux the king of your castle 2021-03-08T02:26:35 #kisslinux honestly if i start again with KISS ill try to make sure everything sticks to the proper hiearchy 2021-03-08T02:26:39 #kisslinux ew what 2021-03-08T02:26:39 #kisslinux but i cannot be arsed 2021-03-08T02:26:44 #kisslinux the thing is 2021-03-08T02:26:50 #kisslinux there isn't actually a proper hierarchy 2021-03-08T02:26:54 #kisslinux there's the FHS but like 2021-03-08T02:27:01 #kisslinux that's about as relevant as LSB 2021-03-08T02:27:02 #kisslinux or SUS 2021-03-08T02:27:06 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T02:27:08 #kisslinux dilyn: i'll still be around here :) 2021-03-08T02:27:11 #kisslinux i think POSIX has a standard filesystem..? 2021-03-08T02:27:14 #kisslinux maybe? 2021-03-08T02:27:15 #kisslinux probably 2021-03-08T02:27:16 #kisslinux ofc 2021-03-08T02:27:35 #kisslinux this is where we should be taking lessons from stuff like plan9 2021-03-08T02:27:44 #kisslinux i think collapsing /usr/{lib,bin} into / is the right idea 2021-03-08T02:27:48 #kisslinux there was a fork of linux called glendix 2021-03-08T02:27:56 #kisslinux /usr need not exist imo 2021-03-08T02:27:58 #kisslinux intended to basically fuse linux and plan9 2021-03-08T02:28:02 #kisslinux the proper hierarchy is ln -sfn . usr ; ln -sfn bin sbin 2021-03-08T02:28:08 #kisslinux and /usr doesn't *really* need to be there, you're right 2021-03-08T02:28:12 #kisslinux it's vestigial 2021-03-08T02:28:16 #kisslinux muevoid: was making a fork of KISS with a different / iirc 2021-03-08T02:28:21 #kisslinux now that /home exists 2021-03-08T02:29:07 #kisslinux honestly if I had my way I'd strip the hierarchy to the bare minimum and confine each branch from the root to its own partition 2021-03-08T02:29:23 #kisslinux why its own partition? 2021-03-08T02:29:27 #kisslinux thats so limiting 2021-03-08T02:29:41 #kisslinux i mean, I can resize partitions 2021-03-08T02:29:42 #kisslinux but ignoring that 2021-03-08T02:29:50 #kisslinux it's because I can optimize at the filesystem level 2021-03-08T02:29:58 #kisslinux dilyn: it's abandoned now 2021-03-08T02:30:07 #kisslinux so if it's a section that has lots of small R/W it can use a filesystem that specializes in that 2021-03-08T02:30:18 #kisslinux zomg speed 2021-03-08T02:30:21 #kisslinux if it has a few continuous R/W then it can have something for that 2021-03-08T02:30:22 #kisslinux etc 2021-03-08T02:30:22 #kisslinux i mean 'abandoned' doesn't mean too much in this case 2021-03-08T02:30:29 #kisslinux you could pick it up at any point probably 2021-03-08T02:30:35 #kisslinux well yeah 2021-03-08T02:30:37 #kisslinux >zomg 2021-03-08T02:30:40 #kisslinux what is this, 2005 2021-03-08T02:30:42 #kisslinux if you can get all of core/* in the right directories it's workable 2021-03-08T02:30:45 #kisslinux kek 2021-03-08T02:30:57 #kisslinux ZOMG woot!1!! XD 2021-03-08T02:31:02 #kisslinux s/woot/w00t/ 2021-03-08T02:31:03 #kisslinux ZOMG w00t!1!! XD 2021-03-08T02:31:06 #kisslinux 1337 2021-03-08T02:31:19 #kisslinux h4x0r5 2021-03-08T02:31:23 #kisslinux v37y e11t3 2021-03-08T02:31:35 #kisslinux r4wr x3 2021-03-08T02:31:43 #kisslinux eugh 2021-03-08T02:31:51 #kisslinux c: uwu kawaii 2021-03-08T02:32:01 #kisslinux fuck I'm having gaia online flashbacks 2021-03-08T02:32:15 #kisslinux ...so glad I never used that site outside of raids... 2021-03-08T02:32:18 #kisslinux * midfavila shudders 2021-03-08T02:32:40 #kisslinux as cringe as it was I miss the old 'net 2021-03-08T02:33:16 #kisslinux arent you a post 911 kid? 2021-03-08T02:33:32 #kisslinux yeah, but I meant like early to mid '00s 2021-03-08T02:33:40 #kisslinux obviously I wasn't around for the 90s 2021-03-08T02:34:11 #kisslinux wow look at this kid boasting about the good old days about the internet from before they were even alive. Only us old-ones truly understand 2021-03-08T02:34:30 #kisslinux stfu that's not what I meant and you know it >.> 2021-03-08T02:34:54 #kisslinux mid's having his "dae 90's kids" but as a zoomer moment 2021-03-08T02:35:07 #kisslinux my entire life is a "only XX kids will understand" moment 2021-03-08T02:35:45 #kisslinux legitimately can't stand modern anything 2021-03-08T02:35:54 #kisslinux s/midfavila/kidfavila 2021-03-08T02:36:11 #kisslinux >:V 2021-03-08T02:36:20 #kisslinux I'm old enough to drink. Barely, but still 2021-03-08T02:39:19 #kisslinux https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=EVDDboh8iMc 2021-03-08T02:39:35 #kisslinux the vocals in this first track are amazing 2021-03-08T02:41:35 #kisslinux >432hz bs 2021-03-08T02:41:36 #kisslinux ugh 2021-03-08T02:41:41 #kisslinux good stuff tho 2021-03-08T02:42:04 #kisslinux tbf it has noticably higher quality than what I'm used to listening to 2021-03-08T02:42:23 #kisslinux but that's because I'm used to listening to twenty year old 96khz rips that probably originate from either newgrounds or limewire 2021-03-08T02:42:24 #kisslinux oh nah the 432hz is tuning not audio quality 2021-03-08T02:42:33 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-08T02:42:34 #kisslinux afaik? 2021-03-08T02:42:43 #kisslinux I know basically nothing about audio 2021-03-08T02:43:00 #kisslinux aside from like, the physics of it. but in terms of how the human body perceives it and stuff 2021-03-08T02:43:16 #kisslinux i just like the pretty-noise 2021-03-08T02:43:48 #kisslinux yeah afaik this is some "tuned to this frequency ~~resonantes~~ with the energy of the body" stuff 2021-03-08T02:43:50 #kisslinux its uhhh 2021-03-08T02:43:56 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T02:43:57 #kisslinux pseudo-science hippy dippy shit 2021-03-08T02:44:01 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T02:44:11 #kisslinux i just like synthwave 2021-03-08T02:45:25 #kisslinux Sometimes I'll just close my eyes and visualize scenes from old cyberpunk novels while I listen 2021-03-08T02:47:03 #kisslinux That reminds me, I gotta get around to reading the rest of the Sprawl series... 2021-03-08T03:06:53 #kisslinux I read that a couple years ago, but like each book I read months apart 2021-03-08T03:07:10 #kisslinux took me forever to get around to mona lisa overdrive 2021-03-08T03:07:12 #kisslinux I don't think they're strictly linear 2021-03-08T03:07:21 #kisslinux they're not 2021-03-08T03:07:45 #kisslinux one thing they definitely are is confusing 2021-03-08T03:07:50 #kisslinux or... maybe overwhelming is the right word 2021-03-08T03:07:58 #kisslinux the first book throws a lot in your face very very fast 2021-03-08T03:08:04 #kisslinux yeah for sure 2021-03-08T03:08:04 #kisslinux are the rest like that? 2021-03-08T03:09:06 #kisslinux uhhh I'm sure, like you've definitely got a bit more of an understanding of the world in the others, so it's a bit less much 2021-03-08T03:09:13 #kisslinux I'm not sure* 2021-03-08T03:09:24 #kisslinux cool 2021-03-08T03:09:35 #kisslinux actually, now that I'm thinking about it, SICP has the same writing style lmao 2021-03-08T03:09:47 #kisslinux in that both just hit the ground running and don't stop 2021-03-08T03:09:48 #kisslinux ever 2021-03-08T03:09:58 #kisslinux neuromancer's been my favourite book since I read it lol 2021-03-08T03:10:00 #kisslinux i wish more books were written like that 2021-03-08T03:10:03 #kisslinux neuromancer is so fucking good 2021-03-08T03:10:06 #kisslinux I read it in one night 2021-03-08T03:10:08 #kisslinux although I think it confused my english teacher 2021-03-08T03:10:21 #kisslinux i wrote a book report on it for my english final 2021-03-08T03:10:28 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T03:10:34 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-08T03:11:08 #kisslinux but yeah it's well-written and, imho, the perfect length for a novel 2021-03-08T03:11:23 #kisslinux yeah you're right it is a great length 2021-03-08T03:11:40 #kisslinux around 250-300 pages iirc 2021-03-08T03:11:49 #kisslinux yeah sounds about right 2021-03-08T03:11:51 #kisslinux at least, my totally legit PDF copy was 2021-03-08T03:12:06 #kisslinux back when a blackberry playbook was my primary computing device 2021-03-08T03:12:15 #kisslinux used to read everything on that 2021-03-08T03:12:20 #kisslinux amazing tool 2021-03-08T03:12:35 #kisslinux it's a shame that BBOS 10 is proprietary 2021-03-08T03:13:06 #kisslinux having a little seven-inch tablet/netbook running an open-source QNX-based OS would be amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing 2021-03-08T03:13:56 #kisslinux my friend bought my neuromancer copy for me because they knew I was planning on getting it, but I was getting my wisdom teeth taken out so they stopped by my house while I was getting that done and left it 2021-03-08T03:14:18 #kisslinux I remember getting my wisdom teeth removed 2021-03-08T03:14:23 #kisslinux All four at once 2021-03-08T03:14:32 #kisslinux same 2021-03-08T03:14:41 #kisslinux was stuck on narcotics for like a week 2021-03-08T03:14:48 #kisslinux it was... weird 2021-03-08T03:14:55 #kisslinux one of mine was pushing another tooth to the point that it was literally sideways 2021-03-08T03:15:22 #kisslinux Oof. 2021-03-08T03:15:25 #kisslinux i think mine are causing chronic sinusitus 2021-03-08T03:15:32 #kisslinux Mine were removed before they finished growing in 2021-03-08T03:15:36 #kisslinux but ive had dental surgeons look at it and suggest they dont need to come out 2021-03-08T03:15:39 #kisslinux Just In Case:tm: 2021-03-08T03:15:56 #kisslinux i wonder if dentists have necklaces made of wisdom teeth 2021-03-08T03:15:59 #kisslinux as like, a badge of honor 2021-03-08T03:16:11 #kisslinux do dentists take them out? 2021-03-08T03:16:19 #kisslinux isn't it like a surgery? 2021-03-08T03:16:23 #kisslinux i mean 2021-03-08T03:16:27 #kisslinux i can't feel mine any more 2021-03-08T03:16:36 #kisslinux so I'm assuming they get removed 2021-03-08T03:16:47 #kisslinux no I meant like, is it dentists who remove them 2021-03-08T03:16:50 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T03:16:51 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T03:16:56 #kisslinux at least, mine did 2021-03-08T03:16:58 #kisslinux depends on the severity here 2021-03-08T03:17:11 #kisslinux if mine are to come out, i think itd be done by surgeons 2021-03-08T03:17:16 #kisslinux conked me out with gas and did the thing 2021-03-08T03:17:26 #kisslinux then I did my best impression of stephen hawking for the next week 2021-03-08T03:17:43 #kisslinux never before have I been so glad for TTS 2021-03-08T03:18:21 #kisslinux mine were done by surgeons 2021-03-08T03:18:42 #kisslinux huh 2021-03-08T03:20:38 #kisslinux oop i am hearing some gnarly thunder 2021-03-08T03:20:47 #kisslinux aesthetic my dude 2021-03-08T03:20:49 #kisslinux unplug your PC 2021-03-08T03:21:10 #kisslinux turn off the game, Raiden 2021-03-08T03:21:34 #kisslinux ive got surge protection luckily 2021-03-08T03:21:41 #kisslinux but yeah imma get ready to unplug :P 2021-03-08T03:21:57 #kisslinux I don't usually need to worry 'cuz I've got all my equipment on UPSes 2021-03-08T03:22:11 #kisslinux got a great deal on them a year or so ago 2021-03-08T03:30:55 #kisslinux an orthodontic surgeon would usually do the removing, I imagine... 2021-03-08T03:31:00 #kisslinux yes 2021-03-08T03:31:53 #kisslinux I had two my back-left two molars taken out of my mouth, and my wisdom teeth haven't really errupted yet. but the back left one is pushing the last molar i got left back there SIDEWAYS 2021-03-08T03:32:10 #kisslinux the other ones are fine, but the back left of my mouth is so fucked smh 2021-03-08T03:32:22 #kisslinux back/bottom 2021-03-08T03:32:30 #kisslinux my bottom wisdom teeth were completely sideways 0.o 2021-03-08T03:32:36 #kisslinux ouch 2021-03-08T03:32:40 #kisslinux damn you evolution 2021-03-08T03:32:47 #kisslinux this is a common problem frfr 2021-03-08T03:32:50 #kisslinux im pre sure the top ones of mine are pushing against my molars 2021-03-08T03:33:01 #kisslinux and are still plugging the sinus cavity 2021-03-08T03:33:18 #kisslinux gah 2021-03-08T03:33:35 #kisslinux yeah, like i said above, im pre sure ive got chronic sinusits because of it 2021-03-08T03:33:40 #kisslinux it's a shame these surgeries are so expensive, and basically all dental insurance only covers 50% of major surgeries >=| 2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux >mfw had mine removed and the military paid for it through my parents 2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux americans no lucky 2021-03-08T03:34:00 #kisslinux its the same here, i need top tier private health insurance to cover it 2021-03-08T03:34:08 #kisslinux that freedom sure does suck doesn't it 2021-03-08T03:34:24 #kisslinux midfavila in the military? 2021-03-08T03:34:25 #kisslinux our public healthcare doesnt cover dental surgery 2021-03-08T03:34:26 #kisslinux military wont' take me because of tattoos :v 2021-03-08T03:34:27 #kisslinux :< 2021-03-08T03:34:28 #kisslinux mfw that was the plan 2021-03-08T03:34:32 #kisslinux military won't take me either lmao 2021-03-08T03:34:40 #kisslinux but my parents got a deal on family insurance through the army 2021-03-08T03:34:46 #kisslinux testuser_[m]: why do you submodule the main repo in gkiss? 2021-03-08T03:34:48 #kisslinux and at the time I was still legally their child 2021-03-08T03:34:58 #kisslinux ergo I get free healthcare 2021-03-08T03:35:00 #kisslinux "free" 2021-03-08T03:35:09 #kisslinux military op 2021-03-08T03:35:17 #kisslinux damn lucky 2021-03-08T03:35:22 #kisslinux i mean, joining the military is unironically not the worst thing you could do 2021-03-08T03:35:27 #kisslinux versus just requiring people to place the gkiss repo in front of the main one in KISS_PATH 2021-03-08T03:35:33 #kisslinux you get money, food, housing, education 2021-03-08T03:35:33 #kisslinux it's a pretty terrible thing to do 2021-03-08T03:35:34 #kisslinux why do you think people do in the US kek 2021-03-08T03:35:42 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T03:35:54 #kisslinux don't get me wrong if you can do something better with yourself do that 2021-03-08T03:36:02 #kisslinux getting shot at all day isn't my idea of fun 2021-03-08T03:36:04 #kisslinux I mean I understand doing it if you need the money etc. but if it can be avoided, it absolutely should be 2021-03-08T03:36:13 #kisslinux i agree 2021-03-08T03:36:16 #kisslinux fuck imperialism 2021-03-08T03:36:19 #kisslinux but if you're in a tight spot then the military is a good way to get yourself out of that 2021-03-08T03:36:23 #kisslinux I don't mean cuz it's dangerous to you, I mean because of what necromansy just said 2021-03-08T03:36:26 #kisslinux at least if you have four years to burn 2021-03-08T03:36:27 #kisslinux never 2021-03-08T03:36:35 #kisslinux homeless for three years never considered joining the military 2021-03-08T03:36:37 #kisslinux fuck that noise 2021-03-08T03:36:58 #kisslinux muh 'perialism isn't gonna stop even if all the militaries of the world disappear 2021-03-08T03:37:05 #kisslinux you'd be surprised 2021-03-08T03:37:21 #kisslinux i'd sooner blame corps and corrupt governments. the military is only one tool to an end 2021-03-08T03:37:26 #kisslinux don't blame the tools, blame the wielder 2021-03-08T03:37:55 #kisslinux lol what? if the military is a tool they use for imperialism, obviously joining the military aids imperialism 2021-03-08T03:38:24 #kisslinux even if it does, not by much. 2021-03-08T03:38:46 #kisslinux i think corporations cause more shit than the military honestly. 2021-03-08T03:39:00 #kisslinux but maybe I'm biased because I grew up on base. 2021-03-08T03:39:08 #kisslinux does her Her Majesty's Royal Canuckistani Armed Forces count as muh imperialism? 2021-03-08T03:39:17 #kisslinux it's all linked lol, corporations often make their money from the military 2021-03-08T03:39:42 #kisslinux maybe. don't know, don't care. i think militaries should only be deployed overseas in response to direct foreign military action 2021-03-08T03:39:51 #kisslinux basically, only for self-defense. 2021-03-08T03:40:03 #kisslinux if you're going overseas, it's not self defense 2021-03-08T03:40:08 #kisslinux ^^ 2021-03-08T03:40:13 #kisslinux i don't care what country looked at america's freedoms the wrong way, it's none of canada's business 2021-03-08T03:40:13 #kisslinux THIS 2021-03-08T03:40:32 #kisslinux it's none of america's business either 2021-03-08T03:40:36 #kisslinux if the middle east wants to bomb itself into oblivion, don't care. still not our business 2021-03-08T03:40:42 #kisslinux bruh are you joking? 2021-03-08T03:40:44 #kisslinux bomb itself? 2021-03-08T03:40:48 #kisslinux what the fuck 2021-03-08T03:41:01 #kisslinux any country+any adjective works 2021-03-08T03:41:09 #kisslinux verb 2021-03-08T03:41:10 #kisslinux fuck 2021-03-08T03:41:12 #kisslinux I can't english 2021-03-08T03:41:23 #kisslinux the US and the western world as a whole has been bombing and fucking with the middle east forever 2021-03-08T03:41:35 #kisslinux definitely which is why we should stop 2021-03-08T03:41:43 #kisslinux because it's not our business what they're doing 2021-03-08T03:41:44 #kisslinux but m-muh chemical weapons?!? 2021-03-08T03:42:04 #kisslinux their government should be the ones enforcing laws protecting human rights. 2021-03-08T03:42:14 #kisslinux not america, not canada, not any other country. 2021-03-08T03:42:30 #kisslinux ...not like we do a good job of that anyway 2021-03-08T03:42:30 #kisslinux what about cases e.g. serbia? 2021-03-08T03:42:43 #kisslinux see if the UN didn't fucking suck 2021-03-08T03:42:50 #kisslinux and could coordinate itself out of a paper bag 2021-03-08T03:42:52 #kisslinux where the government was literally setting up rape camps for captured cibilians 2021-03-08T03:42:56 #kisslinux s/b/v/ 2021-03-08T03:42:57 #kisslinux where the government was literally setting up rape camps for captured civilians 2021-03-08T03:43:09 #kisslinux then having the militaries of the world go in and collectively say "hey stop that" and smack them around a bit would be great 2021-03-08T03:43:16 #kisslinux yeah but it's not just the fault of the UN here, the problem is that the entire world is basically at the will of the US 2021-03-08T03:43:17 #kisslinux unfortunately, the UN is about as threatening as a declawed kitten 2021-03-08T03:43:29 #kisslinux the US can literally just blow everything in existence up 2021-03-08T03:43:30 #kisslinux the US is also a problem because they cause most of this shit 2021-03-08T03:43:36 #kisslinux i mean so could russia 2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux and china, really 2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux but military might isn't the problem here 2021-03-08T03:43:42 #kisslinux only in response 2021-03-08T03:43:49 #kisslinux it totally is 2021-03-08T03:43:52 #kisslinux it totally isn't 2021-03-08T03:44:00 #kisslinux and i'm not willing to talk about that with you. 2021-03-08T03:44:01 #kisslinux sorry. 2021-03-08T03:44:01 #kisslinux it is "a" problem here 2021-03-08T03:44:08 #kisslinux the problem is how people are acting. 2021-03-08T03:44:30 #kisslinux I don't know in what way you mean, but flat out, no 2021-03-08T03:44:46 #kisslinux then we disagree and clearly we're not going to get anywhere with this conversation. 2021-03-08T03:45:54 #kisslinux regardless, abolishing all militaries isn't practical. the whole thing is a mexican standoff 2021-03-08T03:46:09 #kisslinux humans suck 2021-03-08T03:46:14 #kisslinux this 2021-03-08T03:46:22 #kisslinux fuck humans 2021-03-08T03:46:30 #kisslinux * travankor nukes self 2021-03-08T03:46:36 #kisslinux the best we can do at this point is try to contain each individual nation's suckiness 2021-03-08T03:46:52 #kisslinux isn't that how WWI started? 2021-03-08T03:46:54 #kisslinux no 2021-03-08T03:47:01 #kisslinux WWI started because of stupid alliances 2021-03-08T03:47:07 #kisslinux with balance of powers autism 2021-03-08T03:47:21 #kisslinux entangling alliances, as washington called it 2021-03-08T03:47:24 #kisslinux one sec there's a relevant video clip I need to find 2021-03-08T03:48:21 #kisslinux https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=xuCn8ux2gbs 2021-03-08T03:48:23 #kisslinux 16:25 2021-03-08T03:48:40 #kisslinux oh wait fuck maybe that wasn't the right clip 2021-03-08T03:48:44 #kisslinux i could have sworn it was in this 2021-03-08T03:50:41 #kisslinux okay found it for real 2021-03-08T03:50:48 #kisslinux https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o 2021-03-08T03:50:50 #kisslinux 6:20 2021-03-08T03:51:21 #kisslinux explains the clusterfuck that lead to WWI pretty succinctly 2021-03-08T03:52:19 #kisslinux i'm kind of skeptical of these "history of the world in 10 minutes" type vidoes 2021-03-08T03:52:33 #kisslinux s/vidoes/videos/ 2021-03-08T03:52:34 #kisslinux i mean you can go check out a textbook if you want 2021-03-08T03:52:34 #kisslinux i'm kind of skeptical of these "history of the world in 10 minutes" type videos 2021-03-08T03:53:11 #kisslinux there was a group called the black hand that assasinated a duke named franz ferdinand and as a result a small war started that quickly spiralled into a very, very, very big war 2021-03-08T03:53:44 #kisslinux "as a result" Germany was doing its best to push Austria into a war 2021-03-08T03:53:54 #kisslinux Thing is, these nations *wanted* to fight 2021-03-08T03:53:59 #kisslinux The Congress of Vienna which set up the "stupid alliances" was directly meant to contain France from pulling another Napoleon 2021-03-08T03:54:18 #kisslinux Alliances weren't so much of an issue imho 2021-03-08T03:54:20 #kisslinux cool don't really care 2021-03-08T03:54:42 #kisslinux the problem is that germany wanted to flex its muscles 2021-03-08T03:54:48 #kisslinux i'm sure 2021-03-08T03:55:00 #kisslinux kiedtl: Prussianism 2021-03-08T03:55:04 #kisslinux and the alliances that were created previously helped to create the war 2021-03-08T03:55:05 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T03:55:18 #kisslinux but the alliances weren't bad in itself 2021-03-08T03:55:27 #kisslinux I mean, look at italy 2021-03-08T03:55:42 #kisslinux they had an alliance with germany, but they refused to fight an offensive war 2021-03-08T04:02:35 #kisslinux interesting, italy actually had a secret agreement with france 2021-03-08T04:03:33 #kisslinux to remain neutral if germany went to war with france 2021-03-08T04:03:47 #kisslinux huh, I wasn't aware of that 2021-03-08T06:24:31 #kisslinux god, it's 2:30 in the morning 2021-03-08T06:24:39 #kisslinux i need to sleep 2021-03-08T06:24:45 #kisslinux see you guys tomorrow 2021-03-08T08:20:19 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T08:51:12 #kisslinux hi dilyn . Congratulations for the poll!! 2021-03-08T08:52:56 #kisslinux hi eudaldgr 2021-03-08T08:53:05 #kisslinux hi!! 2021-03-08T08:53:24 #kisslinux are you still working on pantheon on KISS ? 2021-03-08T08:54:05 #kisslinux It's been a long time, since the last time I used KISS, since there is no maintainer 2021-03-08T08:54:36 #kisslinux well dilyn is the maintainer now :p 2021-03-08T08:54:42 #kisslinux Maybe I plan to move to kiss-community again 2021-03-08T08:54:58 #kisslinux have you pushed your build files anywhere for pantheon deps ? 2021-03-08T08:55:08 #kisslinux yes 2021-03-08T08:55:16 #kisslinux it's in a private repo on github 2021-03-08T08:55:19 #kisslinux all time long 2021-03-08T08:55:33 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T08:55:54 #kisslinux If you want I can make it public 2021-03-08T08:56:08 #kisslinux that would be great! 2021-03-08T08:56:09 #kisslinux but it's so rudimentary 2021-03-08T08:56:16 #kisslinux Please do it public 2021-03-08T08:56:28 #kisslinux I'd love to see progress 2021-03-08T08:57:24 #kisslinux no problem in it being incomplete 2021-03-08T08:59:31 #kisslinux https://github.com/eudaldgr/elementaKISS 2021-03-08T09:00:06 #kisslinux thanks! 2021-03-08T09:01:51 #kisslinux If you want to fork it or make a PR it would be welcome, I would want to continue the work on this front 2021-03-08T09:04:35 #kisslinux yeah I'll play around with it 2021-03-08T09:09:44 #kisslinux Everyone, where is the poll made? 2021-03-08T09:10:21 #kisslinux it was on a nextcloud instance 2021-03-08T09:10:29 #kisslinux check git log for `update` file in community 2021-03-08T09:10:39 #kisslinux should be a link few revisions back 2021-03-08T09:11:47 #kisslinux thanks! 2021-03-08T09:13:31 #kisslinux WOW, someone vote for me 2021-03-08T09:13:52 #kisslinux and i'm out for so long XD 2021-03-08T09:18:23 #kisslinux No one knows what happened to Dylan? 2021-03-08T09:18:27 #kisslinux nope 2021-03-08T09:19:14 #kisslinux wow 2021-03-08T09:19:33 #kisslinux he might've dropped tech altogether 2021-03-08T09:19:36 #kisslinux or kidnapped by gnome devs 2021-03-08T09:20:13 #kisslinux the second one seems reasonable 2021-03-08T10:22:37 #kisslinux Anyone tried web torrent stuff like webclient/webtor? https://weboas.is/torrent/ 2021-03-08T11:21:59 #kisslinux dilyn: the homepage link on reddit still points to k1ss.net. 2021-03-08T13:39:32 #kisslinux how big of a boot partition does extlinux need/want? 2021-03-08T14:04:10 #kisslinux eudaldgr: thank you! 2021-03-08T14:04:16 #kisslinux claudia: I knew I was forgetting one... 2021-03-08T14:18:03 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou I normally go with 30mb, but I also make fully-loaded kernels for my systems 2021-03-08T14:18:22 #kisslinux 30mb should be plenty for a kernel or two, a config, and if you need any extra modules 2021-03-08T14:19:14 #kisslinux thanks! finally gonna install kiss to actual hardware instead of a VM, so i was trying to get my ducks in a line 2021-03-08T14:19:36 #kisslinux column or row? 2021-03-08T14:20:27 #kisslinux although tbh installing KISS is pretty easy 2021-03-08T14:20:34 #kisslinux row gang 2021-03-08T14:20:40 #kisslinux good man 2021-03-08T14:20:57 #kisslinux oh, looks like my school is being targetted by a phishing attack 2021-03-08T14:21:24 #kisslinux well i'm not that great with disk partition, boot setups, and such. i saw the mentions of extlinux earlier and wanted to try it 2021-03-08T14:21:36 #kisslinux * midfavila nods 2021-03-08T14:21:43 #kisslinux I've only ever used MBR myself 2021-03-08T14:21:58 #kisslinux I want to try GPT since it has basically unlimited partitions 2021-03-08T14:22:13 #kisslinux whereas MBR can only support four main partitions 2021-03-08T14:22:54 #kisslinux gotta love those logical partitions... 2021-03-08T14:22:58 #kisslinux you could always use a hybrid setup if you don't like efi :v 2021-03-08T14:23:06 #kisslinux and can't use efi 2021-03-08T14:23:06 #kisslinux that's what I'm considering 2021-03-08T14:23:16 #kisslinux don't get me wrong all my stuff supports efi 2021-03-08T14:23:20 #kisslinux it's just bullshit 2021-03-08T14:23:24 #kisslinux so I don't use it 2021-03-08T14:23:24 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T14:23:27 #kisslinux seriously! 2021-03-08T14:23:34 #kisslinux I hate that the standard for the partition is FAT 2021-03-08T14:23:36 #kisslinux like, why 2021-03-08T14:23:51 #kisslinux just invent $newfilesystem like everyone else 2021-03-08T14:23:53 #kisslinux established and simple standard? 2021-03-08T14:23:58 #kisslinux idk 2021-03-08T14:24:15 #kisslinux but yeah isn't the main advantage of EFI that it supports larger disks or something? 2021-03-08T14:24:32 #kisslinux in theory it could allow for OS-independent drivers, too, at least on itanium... not sure about x86 2021-03-08T14:24:45 #kisslinux and ofc muh secure boot 2021-03-08T14:28:48 #kisslinux so all of that you just said.. i just can't keep it straight for some reason. i chose gpt and marked the partition as boot and legacy_boot... is that enough? should i have just stuck with ms-dos partition table type? 2021-03-08T14:29:20 #kisslinux you gotta chuck the boot sector code into your boot partition 2021-03-08T14:29:38 #kisslinux at the bare minimum that's ldlinux.c32 2021-03-08T14:29:51 #kisslinux and I believe there's a file you have to dd 2021-03-08T14:29:58 #kisslinux but I can't quite recall which at the moment 2021-03-08T14:30:03 #kisslinux tl;dr it's not enough 2021-03-08T14:30:18 #kisslinux manpages and the net should be able to help finding the stuff you need 2021-03-08T14:30:45 #kisslinux ok i'll try and come crawling back if i fail :) 2021-03-08T14:30:54 #kisslinux glhf 2021-03-08T14:33:18 #kisslinux UEFI is interesting because it lets you treat basically anything you want as an executable that you can exec directly from the firmware itself 2021-03-08T14:33:23 #kisslinux which, say, lets the kernel boot itself 2021-03-08T14:33:53 #kisslinux also gpt supports huge disks which is always +++ 2021-03-08T14:37:14 #kisslinux I dunno. I'll be honest, short of BIOS just... not seeing large disks, I don't see that offering much benefit 2021-03-08T14:38:18 #kisslinux But I've never used a disk larger than one terabyte so... maybe the grass is greener than I think. Meh 2021-03-08T14:38:22 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T14:39:06 #kisslinux I think it just fundamentally allows greater flexibility for users, and is... maybe easier to grok than MBR/BIOS 2021-03-08T14:39:43 #kisslinux maybe 2021-03-08T14:40:24 #kisslinux it's similar to wayland tho. it's been 'going to be the new standard' for almost fifteen years, and yet here we are 2021-03-08T14:40:33 #kisslinux I imagine half the people here still use MBR/BIOS 2021-03-08T14:40:54 #kisslinux i think the reason that that happens is because it just doesn't offer enough of a tangible benefit to displace what's already here 2021-03-08T14:40:59 #kisslinux hey i'm trying to change! 2021-03-08T14:41:10 #kisslinux see plan 9 and unix for example 2021-03-08T14:42:02 #kisslinux like sure being able to launch straight into DOOM from UEFI is cool and all, but... who cares? 2021-03-08T14:42:16 #kisslinux maybe that functionality could be used for more accurate benchmarks? 2021-03-08T14:42:20 #kisslinux this is interesting https://uefi.org/sites/default/files/resources/A_Tale_of_Two_Standards_0.pdf 2021-03-08T14:42:22 #kisslinux idk. 2021-03-08T14:42:35 #kisslinux Eugh, PDF... 2021-03-08T14:42:54 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T14:42:58 #kisslinux suck it, links 2021-03-08T14:43:13 #kisslinux Netsurf, actually 2021-03-08T14:43:22 #kisslinux chromium master race 2021-03-08T14:43:25 #kisslinux but none of my browsers have jsPDF 2021-03-08T14:43:30 #kisslinux because it's bloatware garbage 2021-03-08T14:43:43 #kisslinux PDF in general isn't great 2021-03-08T14:43:57 #kisslinux and to top it all off, poppler doesn't even render fonts correctly 2021-03-08T14:44:02 #kisslinux the kerning comes out totally fucked 2021-03-08T14:44:04 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T14:44:26 #kisslinux my job requires me to use PDFs almost exclusively, along with Windows 2021-03-08T14:44:31 #kisslinux i'd quit 2021-03-08T14:44:34 #kisslinux ngl 2021-03-08T14:44:40 #kisslinux most of my work is browser based too which makes it even more funny 2021-03-08T14:44:52 #kisslinux some of my work requires me to use IE 7... 2021-03-08T14:44:57 #kisslinux but others, chrome 2021-03-08T14:45:02 #kisslinux i'm seriously dreading when I have to get a job placement for school 2021-03-08T14:45:18 #kisslinux i've had IT people get mad at me for using Edge instead of Chrome and I'm like... they're the same fam 2021-03-08T14:45:33 #kisslinux "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I'M IT AND YOU'RE NOT!" 2021-03-08T14:45:41 #kisslinux I will fight a Level 1 Tech 2021-03-08T14:45:42 #kisslinux you can't just use edgium 2021-03-08T14:45:55 #kisslinux at my work the only "supported" browser is chrome 2021-03-08T14:45:57 #kisslinux that's against Corporate Policy 2021-03-08T14:46:09 #kisslinux nobody is allowed to deviate from it 2021-03-08T14:46:12 #kisslinux for any reason 2021-03-08T14:46:27 #kisslinux My school's policy is that if you're not using Chrome or MacOS you're on your own 2021-03-08T14:46:34 #kisslinux :sick: 2021-03-08T14:46:38 #kisslinux mankind is unkind, man 2021-03-08T14:47:05 #kisslinux my school gave me a chromebook for school and then promptly used a bunch of shit that chromeos doesn't support 2021-03-08T14:47:36 #kisslinux like there's this proprietary program that the school leases PDFs of our textbooks from 2021-03-08T14:47:38 #kisslinux I connected my alma mater's email to my phone and didn't get any emails to that address for over a year. turns out, when you do that it generates a small file on their server that blocks emails 2021-03-08T14:47:43 #kisslinux and we have to use that to access them 2021-03-08T14:47:44 #kisslinux IT was mad that I did not know this. 2021-03-08T14:47:54 #kisslinux ... 2021-03-08T14:48:00 #kisslinux * midfavila takes a deep breath 2021-03-08T14:48:10 #kisslinux ...Why. 2021-03-08T14:48:23 #kisslinux in their defense, it was mentioned *checks notes* once, in a technical type support document not linked to on their seven 'how to do what you're doing' pages 2021-03-08T14:48:43 #kisslinux That's not valid. 2021-03-08T14:48:46 #kisslinux They just shouldn't do it. 2021-03-08T14:48:49 #kisslinux It's bullshit. 2021-03-08T14:48:53 #kisslinux one would think! 2021-03-08T14:49:06 #kisslinux Why would you prevent your users from accessing their email in the way they prefer? 2021-03-08T14:49:11 #kisslinux You get literally nothing out of it 2021-03-08T14:49:34 #kisslinux aside from the ability to like, idk 2021-03-08T14:49:35 #kisslinux except an angry email from me :v 2021-03-08T14:49:39 #kisslinux enforce a theme on your web client 2021-03-08T14:49:39 #kisslinux it's all upside, basically 2021-03-08T14:50:01 #kisslinux I will *never* enforce a policy that has no real-world benefit 2021-03-08T14:50:14 #kisslinux a lot of these decisions are made for the "lowest common denominator" i.e. they have to plan for what the stupidest user would do 2021-03-08T14:50:16 #kisslinux I fucking *refuse* to make the life of my users harder, and my own life 2021-03-08T14:50:29 #kisslinux You know what we do with the lowest common denominator? We fire them. 2021-03-08T14:50:58 #kisslinux XD fucking no we don't 2021-03-08T14:51:01 #kisslinux Don't punish everyone else just because Jimmy from HR can't set up email properly 2021-03-08T14:51:05 #kisslinux if ONLY WE DID THO 2021-03-08T14:51:12 #kisslinux lol i mean i'm not arguing that it sucks to have to comply with, believe me! but you can't expect like... a random HR person to know the ins and outs of everything 2021-03-08T14:51:14 #kisslinux this is world of forms stuff 2021-03-08T14:51:21 #kisslinux use that big philosophy brain 2021-03-08T14:51:31 #kisslinux ayyy lmao Jimmy's on both our minds 2021-03-08T14:51:33 #kisslinux lol speaking of HR 2021-03-08T14:51:49 #kisslinux I asked my HR department what the legal agreements I have with my employer were, because I don't recall receiving a copy 2021-03-08T14:51:50 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou I'm not saying HR should be as... *sigh* """""qualified""""" with tech as IT 2021-03-08T14:52:16 #kisslinux what I'm saying is, don't screw over your proficient users because of imcompetent users 2021-03-08T14:52:20 #kisslinux well, right. exactly. that's not their job and they don't need it to do their job 2021-03-08T14:52:34 #kisslinux that's fair to say, sure 2021-03-08T14:52:48 #kisslinux they told me to ask my questions of a different department. So I investigated our internal documents, and saw this lovely line: legal will work with HR to ensure all employees sign an agreement attesting to the statements on this form" so I asked them for the docuemnt they obviously have 2021-03-08T14:52:50 #kisslinux haven't heard back... 2021-03-08T14:53:09 #kisslinux if left to their own devices though, the incompetent users are more "dangerous" than the competent ones 2021-03-08T14:53:17 #kisslinux reminds me of school. how we would get stuck on a single slide in a presentation for an hour because one student didn't understand, and as a result one lesson had to be stretched into two... then three... four... five... 2021-03-08T14:53:19 #kisslinux the point is, people don't know anything. nobody knows anything, we're all dumb idiots flying through a rock in space 2021-03-08T14:53:52 #kisslinux ominous_anonymou and at that point those users are either told to stop being idiots, or they get fired 2021-03-08T14:54:00 #kisslinux also wow that's a mood dilyn 2021-03-08T14:54:02 #kisslinux we're all dumb, we invent most of our problems because... idk we're bored? and it's all terrible because of it :v 2021-03-08T14:54:15 #kisslinux tl;dr blame reddit 2021-03-08T14:54:17 #kisslinux in an ideal world, sure. in one where there's 50k employees that would get fired... 2021-03-08T14:54:26 #kisslinux fire 50k employees then 2021-03-08T14:54:28 #kisslinux idc 2021-03-08T14:54:35 #kisslinux literally learn to use a computer 2021-03-08T14:54:53 #kisslinux you spend all day in front of one anyway, the least you should do is actually understand the basics of it 2021-03-08T14:54:53 #kisslinux 2big2ask 2021-03-08T14:55:03 #kisslinux facebook machine go brrrrr 2021-03-08T14:55:07 #kisslinux it's like people driving automatic cars 2021-03-08T14:55:16 #kisslinux automatic is *literally* a crutch for people who can't handle manual 2021-03-08T14:55:25 #kisslinux and if you can't handle manual then you shouldn't be driving 2021-03-08T14:55:32 #kisslinux "but think of all the people who wouldn't be able to drive" - good 2021-03-08T14:56:01 #kisslinux spicy take 2021-03-08T14:56:06 #kisslinux design cities to not require cars. upgrade public transit so it's not dogshit. stop charging people four dollars a ride. 2021-03-08T14:56:28 #kisslinux thats a tough combo 2021-03-08T14:56:39 #kisslinux the amount of money you would likely save in not having to deal with tens of thousands or even millions of incompetent drivers would outweight the cost 2021-03-08T14:56:39 #kisslinux i used to think that about manual transmissions, but i don't agree any more. my wife has some nerve damage in her left foot that causes a lot of pain to work the clutch, i can't fault her for driving an automatic 2021-03-08T14:56:41 #kisslinux fucking fight me 2021-03-08T14:56:43 #kisslinux better public transit == higher fare, lower fare == worse public transit 2021-03-08T14:56:55 #kisslinux acheam taxes smh 2021-03-08T14:57:02 #kisslinux subsidies my dude 2021-03-08T14:57:08 #kisslinux spoken like a true canadian 2021-03-08T14:57:12 #kisslinux the government literally invented money it doesn't have to pay attention to it :v 2021-03-08T14:57:28 #kisslinux and if you have actual physical damage to your body that prevents you from using a manual, that's fine 2021-03-08T14:57:46 #kisslinux god this channel is so weird 2021-03-08T14:57:48 #kisslinux i'm lucky i'm in a more socialized area of the country, but other public transit systems get close to no subsidies 2021-03-08T14:57:49 #kisslinux i don't fault someone with a proverbial broken leg from using a crutch 2021-03-08T14:57:51 #kisslinux lol dilyn 2021-03-08T14:57:53 #kisslinux lmao dilyn 2021-03-08T14:57:56 #kisslinux 'uefi sucks. also, more busses' 2021-03-08T14:58:00 #kisslinux lolol 2021-03-08T14:58:01 #kisslinux all the busses 2021-03-08T14:58:04 #kisslinux except D-Bus 2021-03-08T14:58:07 #kisslinux PCI, PCIe, ISA, S-100 2021-03-08T14:58:11 #kisslinux but yeah no dbus 2021-03-08T14:58:17 #kisslinux omf 2021-03-08T14:58:24 #kisslinux this is an i2c channel now 2021-03-08T14:58:29 #kisslinux i2c? 2021-03-08T14:58:31 #kisslinux i drive the IPC bus 2021-03-08T14:58:39 #kisslinux embedded serial communications protocol 2021-03-08T14:58:40 #kisslinux is that the short bus? 2021-03-08T14:58:42 #kisslinux ah 2021-03-08T14:58:45 #kisslinux i2c is the short bus 2021-03-08T14:58:46 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T14:58:53 #kisslinux * kiedtl off 2021-03-08T14:59:06 #kisslinux my motherboard is weird and has a few i2c onboard 2021-03-08T14:59:09 #kisslinux not sure what to do with them yet 2021-03-08T14:59:22 #kisslinux maybe wire up a little LCD and use it for notifications 2021-03-08T14:59:50 #kisslinux just disable i2c 2021-03-08T14:59:52 #kisslinux who needs it 2021-03-08T15:00:03 #kisslinux mfw you can't disable i2c 2021-03-08T15:00:05 #kisslinux #memeinalism 2021-03-08T15:00:23 #kisslinux but yeah it's used in smartphones a lot 2021-03-08T15:00:27 #kisslinux for display and camera usually 2021-03-08T15:00:52 #kisslinux you can disable i2c 2021-03-08T15:01:00 #kisslinux it's literally config_i2c=y/n in the kernel 2021-03-08T15:01:03 #kisslinux delete your i2c bro 2021-03-08T15:01:08 #kisslinux nice, finally figured out this chromium build error after days will send PR soon TM 2021-03-08T15:01:12 #kisslinux oh well in that case yeah it's disabled 2021-03-08T15:01:16 #kisslinux for now 2021-03-08T15:01:18 #kisslinux oh what was it! 2021-03-08T15:01:29 #kisslinux I've been following the ungoogled pr 2021-03-08T15:01:34 #kisslinux "oh boy I can't wait to consoom content after this pr!" 2021-03-08T15:01:46 #kisslinux omnomnom 2021-03-08T15:01:54 #kisslinux 88 -> 89 look at all the features lads 2021-03-08T15:02:06 #kisslinux i can finally watch my anime with hardware decode in the browser 2021-03-08T15:02:11 #kisslinux wao 2021-03-08T15:02:19 #kisslinux kawaii 2021-03-08T15:02:28 #kisslinux Chrome-kun 2021-03-08T15:02:38 #kisslinux oh mid-san 2021-03-08T15:02:41 #kisslinux somehow an `#if` got messed up due to me basically doing `for patch in patch; do patch -p1 < "$patch"` and redirect new updated patch to old file 2021-03-08T15:02:49 #kisslinux i will never notice you, dilyn 2021-03-08T15:02:54 #kisslinux qq 2021-03-08T15:03:02 #kisslinux that's funny 2021-03-08T15:04:09 #kisslinux i'm thinking of just reading through SICP without doing the exercises at first... 2021-03-08T15:04:14 #kisslinux a lot of it assumes prior knowledge 2021-03-08T15:04:37 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rgZsAlsJRPjZPEHxJurEtfAg/message.txt > 2021-03-08T15:04:59 #kisslinux which messed up the header includes 2021-03-08T15:05:04 #kisslinux actually i think i messed this up by hand 2021-03-08T15:05:09 #kisslinux what a busted up broken #if 2021-03-08T15:05:10 #kisslinux when patch failed 2021-03-08T15:05:15 #kisslinux bruh 2021-03-08T15:05:36 #kisslinux the worst thing about patches is fuzzing them on updates s2g 2021-03-08T15:06:13 #kisslinux the source in qt5-webengine will bounce back and forth between certain #if's every other release, so I have to switch one word every update :| 2021-03-08T15:06:22 #kisslinux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/j6d4zv/what_are_you_doing_to_improve_security_on_your/g7zi69m so which fbvnc do you guys think he uses? because every one i've tried has been terrible 2021-03-08T15:06:30 #kisslinux I think they do this shit on purpose 2021-03-08T15:07:21 #kisslinux mfw not running qubes smh 2021-03-08T15:08:42 #kisslinux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/jjh1rt/weekly_questions_and_hardware_thread_october_28/gajaxbz/ ooo he passes audio too 2021-03-08T15:09:41 #kisslinux oh never mind its local sigh 2021-03-08T15:09:43 #kisslinux wait it wasnt ME messing up the patch 2021-03-08T15:09:47 #kisslinux it was GNU patch this whole time 2021-03-08T15:09:53 #kisslinux didnt even complain 2021-03-08T15:10:07 #kisslinux gnu patch strikes again 2021-03-08T15:11:22 #kisslinux no wait it was actually me , my dumbass applied the patch rn from new branch 2021-03-08T15:11:26 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T15:12:40 #kisslinux i'm getting whiplash 2021-03-08T15:13:49 #kisslinux gotta jerk you around a bit 2021-03-08T15:13:57 #kisslinux helps keep you on your toes 2021-03-08T15:43:06 #kisslinux hi, just installed kiss on a laptop with tiger lake. With the modesetting driver i'm getting a lot of screen tearing, very unpleasant. I tried to compile 2021-03-08T15:44:05 #kisslinux ...xf86-video-intel, but it wont let me use it, failing with an error: sna_option_accel_blt:18146 assertion sna->kgem.gen < 0120 failed 2021-03-08T15:44:53 #kisslinux welcome to kiss! I have no idea how to help you, but its good to have you here! 2021-03-08T15:45:33 #kisslinux shouldn't you just be using mesa though? 2021-03-08T15:45:39 #kisslinux also, new release when? now https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/releases/tag/2021.3-1 2021-03-08T15:45:52 #kisslinux yay! 2021-03-08T15:46:07 #kisslinux just need to slightly update the install guide doc :v 2021-03-08T15:46:24 #kisslinux whee! cheers for the new update :) 2021-03-08T15:46:27 #kisslinux maybe the make script could automatically get the latest version from GH? 2021-03-08T15:46:32 #kisslinux dilyn, mesa is modesetting driver right? 2021-03-08T15:46:43 #kisslinux mesa is everything 2021-03-08T15:46:55 #kisslinux xf86-video-intel is `deprecated` 2021-03-08T15:47:29 #kisslinux i read that, but as far as I see here: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel -- development is going strong :) 2021-03-08T15:47:58 #kisslinux with intel driver, UXA works but it is terrible, and this SNA thing just crashes with the error above 2021-03-08T15:48:14 #kisslinux I don't mind which driver I use as long as there is no screen tearing :) 2021-03-08T15:50:39 #kisslinux according to this, xf86-video-intel doesn't suport tiger lake https://linuxreviews.org/Intel_graphics 2021-03-08T15:51:02 #kisslinux mesa should be sufficient for all your glamour/uxa/sna/gls/egl/glx needs 2021-03-08T15:51:08 #kisslinux plus vulkan :o 2021-03-08T15:53:06 #kisslinux dilyn: linux headers 5.11 when? 2021-03-08T15:53:13 #kisslinux nevar 2021-03-08T15:53:27 #kisslinux next LTS 2021-03-08T15:53:29 #kisslinux soon 2021-03-08T15:53:41 #kisslinux i should probably upgrade my kernels 2021-03-08T15:53:49 #kisslinux workstation is using 5.9pf 2021-03-08T15:53:54 #kisslinux thats fine honestly 2021-03-08T15:53:58 #kisslinux always LTS headers :v 2021-03-08T15:54:27 #kisslinux unless there's some very good reason to update them. then, maybe 2021-03-08T15:54:43 #kisslinux seeing these updates on this mirror fill me with so much glee wtf 2021-03-08T15:54:47 #kisslinux i'm like a kid 2021-03-08T15:54:57 #kisslinux such is the magic of consooming 2021-03-08T16:02:31 #kisslinux and my public key finally arrived on a keyserver! woohoo 2021-03-08T16:09:39 #kisslinux make sure to keep a revocation key 2021-03-08T16:10:16 #kisslinux I still have an old one floating around in the keyservers unfortunately and theres nothing I can do about it without a revocation key 2021-03-08T16:24:06 #kisslinux i've got these keys everywhere xD three different partitions, six different chroots, two different hard drives, and my phone 2021-03-08T16:24:14 #kisslinux this key will never survive if it gets commandeered 2021-03-08T16:27:36 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T16:34:06 #kisslinux the new tarball is substantially bigger than the last one. /usr/lib/git-core grew by 16MB... 2021-03-08T16:34:11 #kisslinux why... 2021-03-08T16:35:52 #kisslinux 2021.3-2 time? 2021-03-08T16:37:01 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T16:37:11 #kisslinux yeah If I can figure out why these files in git-core exploded in size 2021-03-08T16:42:23 #kisslinux did dylan do a lot of extra stripping for these i wonder... 2021-03-08T16:42:37 #kisslinux 2020.9-2 tarball git was 3MB, but rebuilding and installing it results in 6MB 2021-03-08T16:43:56 #kisslinux OH, we dropped the git tiny patch. why... 2021-03-08T16:44:05 #kisslinux what did that do? 2021-03-08T16:44:38 #kisslinux besides making git tiny 2021-03-08T16:45:03 #kisslinux made it teeny, in addition to tiny 2021-03-08T16:45:10 #kisslinux midfavila or anyone do you have a package for extlinux? 2021-03-08T16:45:11 #kisslinux it switched from a vcssvn_lib to libgit 2021-03-08T16:45:18 #kisslinux ah okay 2021-03-08T16:45:20 #kisslinux i have extlinux packaged yeah 2021-03-08T16:45:38 #kisslinux https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila 2021-03-08T16:45:40 #kisslinux should be under ports 2021-03-08T16:45:55 #kisslinux yeah. syslinux installs extlinux and all that good stuff 2021-03-08T16:46:17 #kisslinux think I grabbed it from community or something? can't remember 2021-03-08T16:47:13 #kisslinux merci! 2021-03-08T16:47:17 #kisslinux mhm 2021-03-08T16:47:22 #kisslinux Hello 2021-03-08T16:47:27 #kisslinux Hallo 2021-03-08T16:47:28 #kisslinux Ola 2021-03-08T16:47:38 #kisslinux bonjour 2021-03-08T16:47:41 #kisslinux Can someone help with xorg? 2021-03-08T16:47:47 #kisslinux depends 2021-03-08T16:47:50 #kisslinux what's your problem 2021-03-08T16:47:58 #kisslinux I think i have a big mess with my kiss install 2021-03-08T16:48:04 #kisslinux Xorg no found screens 2021-03-08T16:48:12 #kisslinux I already put the firmwares 2021-03-08T16:48:14 #kisslinux oh, yeah. that can happen sometimes. 2021-03-08T16:48:17 #kisslinux ah, the patch was dropped because we started statically linking git. harumph 2021-03-08T16:48:19 #kisslinux I used to do this in gentoo too 2021-03-08T16:48:23 #kisslinux you have to write a configuration file or use an autogenerated one 2021-03-08T16:48:31 #kisslinux X -configure should spit out a usable config 2021-03-08T16:49:17 #kisslinux So if my kiss in init have some errorors this is a problem? 2021-03-08T16:49:25 #kisslinux  Because i think is this 2021-03-08T16:50:05 #kisslinux errors from init shouldn't affect X's ability to locate physical screens 2021-03-08T16:50:13 #kisslinux depends on the error 2021-03-08T16:50:25 #kisslinux must be one hell of an error then 2021-03-08T16:50:26 #kisslinux One of the errors metion VGA 2021-03-08T16:50:33 #kisslinux oh, that might be it then 2021-03-08T16:50:37 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T16:50:39 #kisslinux what does dmesg say? 2021-03-08T16:50:50 #kisslinux Can one of you see? I post on reddit 2021-03-08T16:50:59 #kisslinux >reddit 2021-03-08T16:51:02 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T16:51:33 #kisslinux acpi errors are a problem with your motherboard, usually 2021-03-08T16:51:45 #kisslinux kernel devs mark them as wontfix and will tell you to yell at your manufacturer lmfao 2021-03-08T16:52:36 #kisslinux should be nonfatal though; you can disable acpi if you don't want the errors but that would... disable acpi 2021-03-08T16:52:58 #kisslinux How can i disable? 2021-03-08T16:53:29 #kisslinux you probably don't want to, but it would be CONFIG_ACPI, set to 'no' 2021-03-08T16:53:49 #kisslinux Is this resolve my xorg or only the errors? 2021-03-08T16:53:57 #kisslinux try it and find out 2021-03-08T16:54:01 #kisslinux probably wont' fix xorg 2021-03-08T16:54:04 #kisslinux have you read this? https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/kernel/firmware#3.2 2021-03-08T16:54:12 #kisslinux Yes my man 2021-03-08T16:54:19 #kisslinux hrm 2021-03-08T16:54:19 #kisslinux I do this on gentoo 2021-03-08T16:54:43 #kisslinux I read the amdgpu article in gentoo and a used to only use firmwares 2021-03-08T16:55:04 #kisslinux Is a normal situation to me 2021-03-08T16:55:05 #kisslinux amdgpu is hell for some godforsaken reason (see midfavila's problems here https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201021#c5534201) 2021-03-08T16:56:02 #kisslinux if the issue is that xorg isn't finding any screens, it could be a couple things. first thought is that it just can't spin up the driver for your card 2021-03-08T16:56:09 #kisslinux have a xorg.log handy anywhere? 2021-03-08T16:56:27 #kisslinux One second 2021-03-08T16:56:40 #kisslinux Kiss have wgetpaste? 2021-03-08T16:57:07 #kisslinux no, we just use pastebins 2021-03-08T16:57:21 #kisslinux 0x0 is also acceptable 2021-03-08T16:57:24 #kisslinux i use ix; cat $log | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io 2021-03-08T16:57:47 #kisslinux I take a look and send the log link 2021-03-08T16:57:52 #kisslinux i should really write a wrapper script for uploading stuff to 0x0 actually 2021-03-08T16:58:10 #kisslinux But i see about udev in the post you send 2021-03-08T16:58:14 #kisslinux i just use an alias :v 2021-03-08T16:58:14 #kisslinux I dont use it 2021-03-08T16:58:26 #kisslinux if you don't use udev you have to do something special iirc 2021-03-08T16:58:27 #kisslinux hmmm 2021-03-08T16:58:41 #kisslinux aliases work too. I need to use them more... 2021-03-08T16:59:05 #kisslinux Udev is not required to run xorg right? 2021-03-08T16:59:19 #kisslinux I only see depedencies for it in libinput 2021-03-08T16:59:22 #kisslinux it is not, afaik 2021-03-08T16:59:29 #kisslinux it's not a requirement 2021-03-08T16:59:36 #kisslinux i remember somewhere dylan said something about how to deal with amdgpu without udev 2021-03-08T16:59:37 #kisslinux but it makes life much easier 2021-03-08T16:59:49 #kisslinux pretty sure you just have to load amdgpu manually and manually change permissions... 2021-03-08T16:59:54 #kisslinux we must pore through the ancient papyrus scrolls kept within the depths of freenode 2021-03-08T16:59:56 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T16:59:59 #kisslinux that's for a different issue 2021-03-08T17:00:19 #kisslinux it's why I suggested you check permissions for the framebuffer and tty files the other day, dilyn 2021-03-08T17:00:42 #kisslinux modprobing it after boot results in malformed perms on said files 2021-03-08T17:01:18 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T17:01:23 #kisslinux yeah i mean just peak at the logs https://freenode.logbot.info/?q=amdgpu&ch=kisslinux&w=a 2021-03-08T17:01:27 #kisslinux it's hell on earth 2021-03-08T17:01:39 #kisslinux it's not bad once you figure it out 2021-03-08T17:01:44 #kisslinux but until you *do*... 2021-03-08T17:01:46 #kisslinux blech 2021-03-08T17:01:54 #kisslinux it's one of those trial-and-error things 2021-03-08T17:02:38 #kisslinux yeah. you can either bake it in, or use modprobe. if you use modprobe, you have to change the permissions because it'll load after eudev does its thing during init 2021-03-08T17:02:46 #kisslinux unsure what happens if you bake it in re: eudev 2021-03-08T17:02:55 #kisslinux baking it in is fine 2021-03-08T17:03:02 #kisslinux but you also have to bake in the firmware 2021-03-08T17:04:12 #kisslinux Is ix package in kiss? 2021-03-08T17:04:14 #kisslinux mmhmm. can't do both 2021-03-08T17:04:20 #kisslinux no it's just a website 2021-03-08T17:04:48 #kisslinux ugh. five minutes into my college class and I already want to leave 2021-03-08T17:05:01 #kisslinux I will be much more help with these problems once I build this machine with an rx 5600xt smh 2021-03-08T17:05:27 #kisslinux >not using a WX card 2021-03-08T17:05:29 #kisslinux i went a whole year skipping my classes. best grades i ever got 2021-03-08T17:05:38 #kisslinux don't get me wrong I skip class all the time 2021-03-08T17:05:41 #kisslinux tests are ezpz 2021-03-08T17:05:53 #kisslinux problem is that the college has mandatory attendance 2021-03-08T17:05:55 #kisslinux :| 2021-03-08T17:06:04 #kisslinux Hello again 2021-03-08T17:06:15 #kisslinux so I have to sit here and listen to the teacher talk about his totally sick simulation setup dawg 2021-03-08T17:06:18 #kisslinux and it's so cringe 2021-03-08T17:06:36 #kisslinux Online classes? 2021-03-08T17:06:37 #kisslinux "yeah guys I played so much league and drank a bunch" 2021-03-08T17:06:46 #kisslinux as much as you can call this a class, yeah 2021-03-08T17:06:53 #kisslinux KKKKKK 2021-03-08T17:06:57 #kisslinux but it unironically makes me want to kms 2021-03-08T17:08:08 #kisslinux LMAO 2021-03-08T17:08:15 #kisslinux XSERVTransmkdir: ERROR: euid != 0,directory /tmp/.X11-unix will not be created 2021-03-08T17:08:19 #kisslinux I skipped the entire A+ segment and got 100% on professional performance marks 2021-03-08T17:08:20 #kisslinux amazing 2021-03-08T17:08:46 #kisslinux it wants to be root? 2021-03-08T17:09:04 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T17:09:27 #kisslinux Yeah but when i run root is the same no screen 2021-03-08T17:09:37 #kisslinux run X -configure 2021-03-08T17:09:46 #kisslinux :X 2021-03-08T17:10:05 #kisslinux is the sticky bit set on /usr/bin/Xorg? is your group in the video & input groups? 2021-03-08T17:10:12 #kisslinux if you're https fan boy, don't CONSULT ME 2021-03-08T17:18:22 #kisslinux >=| 2021-03-08T17:18:29 #kisslinux you heard the man 2021-03-08T17:18:41 #kisslinux if i found that in a log i would deadass delete my existence 2021-03-08T17:18:51 #kisslinux do not invoke his name if thou art a follower of the scourge known as hypertest transfer protocol secure 2021-03-08T17:19:04 #kisslinux s/hypertest/hypertext/ 2021-03-08T17:19:06 #kisslinux do not invoke his name if thou art a follower of the scourge known as hypertext transfer protocol secure 2021-03-08T17:19:06 #kisslinux i tried 2021-03-08T17:19:07 #kisslinux http://ix.io/2Sad 2021-03-08T17:19:17 #kisslinux 2SaD* 2021-03-08T17:19:20 #kisslinux 2Sad > 2accurate 2021-03-08T17:19:28 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T17:20:04 #kisslinux ix.io/2s is an xorg log too 2021-03-08T17:20:23 #kisslinux hrng 2021-03-08T17:20:33 #kisslinux so xorg is fucking dumb and calls things the wrong name constantly 2021-03-08T17:20:39 #kisslinux what is the 'ati' graphics driver ACTUAlly 2021-03-08T17:20:46 #kisslinux xf86-video-ati 2021-03-08T17:20:48 #kisslinux probably 2021-03-08T17:20:55 #kisslinux So i need xf86-video-ati? 2021-03-08T17:20:57 #kisslinux that's what I would think, but i need to know lol 2021-03-08T17:20:58 #kisslinux GOD FUCKING DAMNIT 2021-03-08T17:21:04 #kisslinux mid what does your log say :P 2021-03-08T17:21:06 #kisslinux THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT UEFI SECURE BOOT IS NOW 2021-03-08T17:21:08 #kisslinux I SWEAR TO GOD 2021-03-08T17:21:11 #kisslinux REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 2021-03-08T17:21:12 #kisslinux i've jinxed u lad 2021-03-08T17:21:16 #kisslinux oh logs? 2021-03-08T17:21:28 #kisslinux xf86-video-amdgpu is the x vid driver I use 2021-03-08T17:21:32 #kisslinux but ati is a seperate module 2021-03-08T17:21:34 #kisslinux hrngg 2021-03-08T17:21:37 #kisslinux Yep i use amdgpu 2021-03-08T17:22:00 #kisslinux But in gentoo i dont what but gentoo forced me to use ati videos because mesa radeonsi 2021-03-08T17:22:00 #kisslinux oh my god this teacher is so wrong 2021-03-08T17:22:03 #kisslinux about literally everything 2021-03-08T17:22:20 #kisslinux nice 2021-03-08T17:24:01 #kisslinux dilyn will you be writing This month in KISS ? 2021-03-08T17:24:21 #kisslinux probably :v 2021-03-08T17:24:23 #kisslinux thou must carry the flame of tradition, ereps 2021-03-08T17:24:29 #kisslinux ever onward, into the night 2021-03-08T17:24:34 #kisslinux 'this year in KISS' 2021-03-08T17:24:36 #kisslinux one line: 2021-03-08T17:24:40 #kisslinux don't talk to me 2021-03-08T17:24:41 #kisslinux EOF 2021-03-08T17:24:42 #kisslinux "this millenium" 2021-03-08T17:24:47 #kisslinux Okay ati video makes works BUT 2021-03-08T17:25:00 #kisslinux nicenicenice, that's something 2021-03-08T17:25:03 #kisslinux It miss libinput and i dont want to use eudev 2021-03-08T17:25:12 #kisslinux using the correct video driver does usually work, yes 2021-03-08T17:25:15 #kisslinux install ludev-zero 2021-03-08T17:25:18 #kisslinux libinput strikes again 2021-03-08T17:25:21 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T17:25:50 #kisslinux so you need libudev-zero or eudev for libinput; you either need mdev or eudev for video devices to work 'out of the box' with xorg, and if you go without either of those you have to manually write configs for all your input devices 2021-03-08T17:26:11 #kisslinux ngl I want to eventually get to a point where I don't use a device manager 2021-03-08T17:26:18 #kisslinux embrace the chad mknod lifestyle 2021-03-08T17:26:25 #kisslinux it is the way 2021-03-08T17:26:26 #kisslinux remember to manually set the IRQs on your ports 2021-03-08T17:26:44 #kisslinux we're going vintage 2021-03-08T17:26:46 #kisslinux and then your friend asks you to pull some files off of a usb stick 2021-03-08T17:27:00 #kisslinux "one sec bro gotta write a config for your USB" 2021-03-08T17:27:22 #kisslinux just do what i do, and refuse 2021-03-08T17:27:25 #kisslinux "so... why is linux better again?" 2021-03-08T17:27:27 #kisslinux 'sorry my computer doesn't have any usb ports' 2021-03-08T17:27:48 #kisslinux 'well what're those?' "hmm those? firewire" 2021-03-08T17:27:53 #kisslinux i hate it when normies act all smug when they btfo my obscure hipster distro 2021-03-08T17:28:14 #kisslinux i'm always reminding people that the way I use linux is not the way that you'd be using linux if you switched 2021-03-08T17:28:15 #kisslinux linux is better because it LETS me be autistic about my computers 2021-03-08T17:28:17 #kisslinux So a little question about the desktop defaults 2021-03-08T17:28:22 #kisslinux answer 2021-03-08T17:28:24 #kisslinux there are none 2021-03-08T17:28:47 #kisslinux sowm or busttttt 2021-03-08T17:28:51 #kisslinux Anyone recommends libudev-zero over eudev? 2021-03-08T17:29:02 #kisslinux fvwm is better, dilyn 2021-03-08T17:29:05 #kisslinux i think libudev-zero is overwhelmingly chosen over eudev 2021-03-08T17:29:06 #kisslinux one day you will repent 2021-03-08T17:30:13 #kisslinux araps-os: KISS Linux with sowm preinstalled and both neofetch and pfetch in the shellrc 2021-03-08T17:30:16 #kisslinux And what for god sakes i need to use ati drivers if my gpu is amdgpu? Is this confusing me in gentoo and now too 2021-03-08T17:30:45 #kisslinux clearly if amdgpu doesn't work and ati does, your card is ati 2021-03-08T17:31:04 #kisslinux Picasso is an ati driver? 2021-03-08T17:31:17 #kisslinux Because i had two 2021-03-08T17:31:20 #kisslinux picasso is an artist 2021-03-08T17:31:23 #kisslinux picasso is a pain- 2021-03-08T17:31:24 #kisslinux FUCK 2021-03-08T17:31:26 #kisslinux KKKKKKKK 2021-03-08T17:31:30 #kisslinux godDAMN you, acheam 2021-03-08T17:31:35 #kisslinux a hundred thousand blights upon you 2021-03-08T17:31:38 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T17:31:51 #kisslinux My laptop have rx 540 and vegas mobile 2021-03-08T17:31:57 #kisslinux afaik everyone with harder that isn't 7 years old should just be using mesa 2021-03-08T17:32:00 #kisslinux The vga is the vegas mobile 2021-03-08T17:32:08 #kisslinux I think is this te problem 2021-03-08T17:32:14 #kisslinux you need mesa on top of the graphics driver 2021-03-08T17:32:17 #kisslinux well 2021-03-08T17:32:20 #kisslinux you don't *need* mesa 2021-03-08T17:32:23 #kisslinux but you need mesa 2021-03-08T17:32:48 #kisslinux :shock: 2021-03-08T17:33:15 #kisslinux mesa provides the graphics tho 2021-03-08T17:33:18 #kisslinux like, that's what it do 2021-03-08T17:33:49 #kisslinux it provides 3D graphics 2021-03-08T17:33:51 #kisslinux not 2d 2021-03-08T17:34:01 #kisslinux >> hardware that isn't 7 years old 2021-03-08T17:34:04 #kisslinux >> 2d graphics 2021-03-08T17:34:08 #kisslinux :2021-03-08T17:35:09 #kisslinux 2d graphics are mostly what you interact with... 2021-03-08T17:35:17 #kisslinux but whatever 2021-03-08T17:36:30 #kisslinux besides I'll have you know my matrox pilot is a very respectable GPU 2021-03-08T17:36:36 #kisslinux its 1mb of vRAM is all I need 2021-03-08T17:37:49 #kisslinux idgi 2021-03-08T17:37:57 #kisslinux i've been using mesa exclusively for like, two years 2021-03-08T17:39:20 #kisslinux Here we go again 2021-03-08T17:39:45 #kisslinux Dylin my little tech can you see my new xorg log? 2021-03-08T17:39:55 #kisslinux >my little tech 2021-03-08T17:39:57 #kisslinux :thinking: 2021-03-08T17:40:25 #kisslinux So is dylin the real name or some joke? 2021-03-08T17:40:29 #kisslinux Much coincidencd 2021-03-08T17:40:36 #kisslinux dylin ereps is real bdfl sar 2021-03-08T17:40:40 #kisslinux no joke 2021-03-08T17:40:41 #kisslinux dilyn is my god given name 2021-03-08T17:40:43 #kisslinux srs 2021-03-08T17:41:34 #kisslinux 45 minutes into my class and we still haven't started today's work 2021-03-08T17:41:40 #kisslinux why do I bother 2021-03-08T17:42:21 #kisslinux http://ix.io/2SaH 2021-03-08T17:42:29 #kisslinux Yeah man the online class sucks 2021-03-08T17:42:39 #kisslinux no, this is just the school 2021-03-08T17:42:49 #kisslinux O damn sucks much 2021-03-08T17:42:51 #kisslinux at least online class I don't have to actually do stuff 2021-03-08T17:42:59 #kisslinux Yeah 2021-03-08T17:43:13 #kisslinux everyone's like "oh but muh social interaction" 2021-03-08T17:43:14 #kisslinux bitch 2021-03-08T17:43:20 #kisslinux it's called school because you go there to be schooled 2021-03-08T17:43:33 #kisslinux if it was for socializing it would be called a social 2021-03-08T17:43:47 #kisslinux "[ 2217.397] (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file." genius 2021-03-08T17:44:16 #kisslinux well so now we know it launches successfully and all the errors are either graphics drivers you don't care about (fbdev/vesa/etc) or input devices (mouse/keyboard) 2021-03-08T17:44:35 #kisslinux X wouldn't die without valid input 2021-03-08T17:44:46 #kisslinux so i'm assuming you aren't using eudev, you probably don't have the mdev service enabled? try real quick with it: `ln -sv /etc/sv/mdevd /var/service; sv up mdevd` 2021-03-08T17:44:54 #kisslinux I mean sure 2021-03-08T17:45:05 #kisslinux Oh suck i dont used mdev 2021-03-08T17:45:15 #kisslinux Dont enbable 2021-03-08T17:45:20 #kisslinux What a genius 2021-03-08T17:45:24 #kisslinux enbable 2021-03-08T17:45:50 #kisslinux hm. mdev* not mdevd myb 2021-03-08T17:45:57 #kisslinux mdevd is a whole different pkg lol 2021-03-08T17:46:14 #kisslinux Sorry 2021-03-08T17:46:59 #kisslinux i'm assuming when you do `startx` the screen flashes black and then immediately returns to the TTY with no real errors or anything printed? 2021-03-08T17:47:15 #kisslinux Yes 2021-03-08T17:47:20 #kisslinux Only flashes 2021-03-08T17:48:08 #kisslinux does dwm require a valid config file exists in order to launch? I'm assuming you'd have one in the right location 2021-03-08T17:48:22 #kisslinux I've had problems with e.g. i3 and sway when I don't have an actual config and they just exit smh 2021-03-08T17:49:08 #kisslinux dwm doesn't have configs 2021-03-08T17:49:16 #kisslinux And the config.h? 2021-03-08T17:49:17 #kisslinux oh right 2021-03-08T17:49:19 #kisslinux muh suckless 2021-03-08T17:49:30 #kisslinux config.h won't be needed at runtime 2021-03-08T17:49:43 #kisslinux does it need a font installed to launch then? lmfao do you have a font installed hellboy2d 2021-03-08T17:49:44 #kisslinux le suckless feelosophy 2021-03-08T17:49:51 #kisslinux there are fonts built in to X 2021-03-08T17:50:00 #kisslinux no you need to install atleast one 2021-03-08T17:50:04 #kisslinux no, you don't 2021-03-08T17:50:09 #kisslinux alright so uninstall your fonts, restart x and launch a terminal bud 2021-03-08T17:50:10 #kisslinux :shock: 2021-03-08T17:50:14 #kisslinux I installed liberations like the wiki says 2021-03-08T17:50:18 #kisslinux gotcha 2021-03-08T17:50:21 #kisslinux Okay 2021-03-08T17:50:25 #kisslinux if you have no fonts installed X will use the internal misc-fixed bitmap 2021-03-08T17:51:04 #kisslinux it just fails to launch without extra fonts, Any special config needed? 2021-03-08T17:51:10 #kisslinux nothing remotely font-like in the xorg-server manifest 2021-03-08T17:51:12 #kisslinux "windows credential protection prevents hackers from extracting windows passwords" -teacher dude 2021-03-08T17:51:18 #kisslinux l0pht has something to say 2021-03-08T17:51:19 #kisslinux silly 2021-03-08T17:51:23 #kisslinux and it's not in the manifest jfc 2021-03-08T17:51:27 #kisslinux read the X manpages 2021-03-08T17:51:30 #kisslinux ew man 2021-03-08T17:51:39 #kisslinux or use xfontsel 2021-03-08T17:51:42 #kisslinux misc-fixed is intrinsic 2021-03-08T17:51:50 #kisslinux they're called "virtual fonts" 2021-03-08T17:51:57 #kisslinux because they don't actually exist as seperate files 2021-03-08T17:52:21 #kisslinux who's silly NOW, mister BDFL? >.> 2021-03-08T17:52:22 #kisslinux Works finally 2021-03-08T17:52:27 #kisslinux Thanks a lot 2021-03-08T17:52:37 #kisslinux And sorry for busy you with this 2021-03-08T17:52:38 #kisslinux nice! 2021-03-08T17:52:48 #kisslinux you're not the first and certainly won't be the last 2021-03-08T17:53:00 #kisslinux part of the reason this channel exists is to help people 2021-03-08T17:53:01 #kisslinux dawg xfontsel isn't a thing 2021-03-08T17:53:07 #kisslinux ...yes it is? 2021-03-08T17:53:17 #kisslinux not seeing it in any manifest i've got 2021-03-08T17:53:23 #kisslinux that's because it's a seperate package 2021-03-08T17:53:24 #kisslinux 5hed 2021-03-08T17:53:36 #kisslinux Okay a last error and i might be the udev 2021-03-08T17:53:41 #kisslinux https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/ports/xfontsel 2021-03-08T17:53:51 #kisslinux The keyboard wont work is the udev prob 2021-03-08T17:53:53 #kisslinux wait that doesn't display it 2021-03-08T17:53:53 #kisslinux well it ain't friggen packaged son 2021-03-08T17:53:54 #kisslinux lame 2021-03-08T17:53:58 #kisslinux yes it is 2021-03-08T17:53:59 #kisslinux >:V 2021-03-08T17:54:06 #kisslinux I package a ton of X utilities and tools 2021-03-08T17:54:09 #kisslinux i only care about repo and community 2021-03-08T17:54:18 #kisslinux but nobody uses MY repos because I'm not COOL enough, I guess 2021-03-08T17:54:24 #kisslinux fuckin waylets 2021-03-08T17:54:32 #kisslinux smh 2021-03-08T17:54:39 #kisslinux that page requires a username and password why would i ever use your xaw 2021-03-08T17:54:50 #kisslinux keyboard doesn't work... hmm 2021-03-08T17:54:51 #kisslinux its the wrong link 2021-03-08T17:54:52 #kisslinux i typed it out by hand, didn't realize gitea required passwords for that 2021-03-08T17:55:34 #kisslinux https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/kiss-mfavila/src/branch/master/ports/xfontsel 2021-03-08T17:55:38 #kisslinux yeah, there. 2021-03-08T17:55:42 #kisslinux gitea is weird sometimes 2021-03-08T17:56:03 #kisslinux anyway point is, it's a thing that lets you view bitmap fonts 2021-03-08T17:56:14 #kisslinux even if you haven't got any fonts installed you'll still be able to see misc-fixed 2021-03-08T18:26:35 #kisslinux well i got extlinux installed i think, but i'm seeing a MISSING OS when rebooting. probably fucked something up with my partitions :/ 2021-03-08T18:28:31 #kisslinux that sounds more like something BIOS would spit out 2021-03-08T18:28:40 #kisslinux did you make sure your boot partition was marked bootable? 2021-03-08T18:29:44 #kisslinux its showing as GPT but i can't get it marked bootable 2021-03-08T18:29:53 #kisslinux oh, eesh, GPT 2021-03-08T18:30:00 #kisslinux I've never used GPT so... 2021-03-08T18:31:06 #kisslinux yeah i'm kicking myself for doing that 2021-03-08T18:32:00 #kisslinux GPT is a lot more flexible, but imho unless you need it MBR is easier to use 2021-03-08T18:32:07 #kisslinux ayyy ok i got it. i had to mark legacy_boot, which is hidden under the advanced options in fdisk 2021-03-08T18:32:14 #kisslinux v cool 2021-03-08T18:32:30 #kisslinux and you made sure to inject the bootloader code? 2021-03-08T18:33:52 #kisslinux yep, i had to get the right one of those too (gptmbr.bin) 2021-03-08T18:33:59 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods 2021-03-08T18:34:02 #kisslinux gj 2021-03-08T18:34:08 #kisslinux the best reason to use gpt is if you want to use disks too large for mbr or want more than 4 'primary' partitions. otherwise, just use mbr 2021-03-08T18:34:17 #kisslinux unless you have efi, in which case you gotta use gpt 2021-03-08T18:34:27 #kisslinux which is why UEFI is for cringe millenials 2021-03-08T18:34:41 #kisslinux and MBR is for based {z,b}oomers 2021-03-08T18:34:56 #kisslinux why did it skip a generation :( 2021-03-08T18:35:07 #kisslinux because everyone knows that gen X can't use computers 2021-03-08T18:35:19 #kisslinux I wonder would my system still boot from grub and see my extlinux since I have multiple drives with installed systems on them 2021-03-08T18:35:39 #kisslinux unironically, every boomer I've met has been better with computers than most Xers, millenials and zoomers 2021-03-08T18:36:01 #kisslinux not in the sense of "how do I find the google, timmy" but in the sense of "yeah I can program in FORTRAN proficiently, why?" 2021-03-08T18:36:22 #kisslinux replace fortran with pascal/cobol/lisp and it still works 2021-03-08T18:37:02 #kisslinux there was one dude at the radio club I used to be a part of that ran an S-100 machine using nothing but its front panel and hand-assembled code 2021-03-08T18:37:06 #kisslinux which is just crazy 2021-03-08T18:37:11 #kisslinux i still stumble on how to even tell whether i need efi or not 2021-03-08T18:37:19 #kisslinux short answer: you don't 2021-03-08T18:37:22 #kisslinux I would replace my heart with K&R book. So sad I can't 2021-03-08T18:37:27 #kisslinux if you have to ask the question, the answer is no 2021-03-08T18:37:43 #kisslinux uefi is like wayland 2021-03-08T18:37:46 #kisslinux great in theory 2021-03-08T18:37:48 #kisslinux shit in practice 2021-03-08T18:37:53 #kisslinux nobody uses it 2021-03-08T18:38:01 #kisslinux and after decades of development, it's still not ready 2021-03-08T18:38:02 #kisslinux :^) 2021-03-08T18:38:15 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx cries in wayland 2021-03-08T18:38:24 #kisslinux deal with it, geek 2021-03-08T18:38:52 #kisslinux ok next step is wpa_supplicant woo 2021-03-08T18:38:58 #kisslinux literally don't 2021-03-08T18:39:00 #kisslinux use eiwd 2021-03-08T18:39:15 #kisslinux i've used efi exclusively since like 2011 :( 2021-03-08T18:39:20 #kisslinux like I said 2021-03-08T18:39:22 #kisslinux cringe millenial 2021-03-08T18:39:37 #kisslinux what is "not efi"? bios? 2021-03-08T18:39:41 #kisslinux yes 2021-03-08T18:39:58 #kisslinux short answer of whether or not you need efi: if you are using a monstrosity of a board that is 'hybrid' with both efi and bios you're fucked. otherwise, if you can do `mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars` and the folder has actual objects in it, you're using efi. otherwise, bios 2021-03-08T18:40:28 #kisslinux >not just checking the system configuration after POST 2021-03-08T18:40:30 #kisslinux and then bios can have either MBR or GPT partition table on it? 2021-03-08T18:40:34 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T18:40:39 #kisslinux BIOS doesn't really care 2021-03-08T18:40:43 #kisslinux EFI is much pickier 2021-03-08T18:40:43 #kisslinux uefi requires gpt, while bios uses mbr. you can use gpt with bios, for benefits like larger disks and more partitions. but it's strongly recommended not to do this lmao 2021-03-08T18:41:04 #kisslinux it's also strongly recommended to not write real programs in shellscript 2021-03-08T18:41:05 #kisslinux so i'm in that strongly-not-recommended party now lol 2021-03-08T18:41:07 #kisslinux or compile from source 2021-03-08T18:41:09 #kisslinux i mean if you don't know your system what i suggested is the best way to check xD 2021-03-08T18:41:21 #kisslinux i feel like checking the system setup utility would be easier 2021-03-08T18:41:22 #kisslinux but k 2021-03-08T18:41:23 #kisslinux if it works, ominous XD 2021-03-08T18:41:33 #kisslinux i mean sure but I don't know every user's system 2021-03-08T18:41:42 #kisslinux my suggestion is universal, assuming the user booted with efi 2021-03-08T18:41:50 #kisslinux my suggestion is universal, with no assumptions 2021-03-08T18:41:52 #kisslinux Simpler way: just spam F2 or whatever the key for you and by the looks of it detect whether its efi or not 2021-03-08T18:42:03 #kisslinux yeah that's what I'm suggesting 2021-03-08T18:42:06 #kisslinux i mean, yes. enter your bios or efi implementation 2021-03-08T18:42:06 #kisslinux system setup 2021-03-08T18:42:10 #kisslinux /shrug 2021-03-08T18:42:28 #kisslinux I've never run into issues with bios and gpt. 2021-03-08T18:42:31 #kisslinux but like, if you don't know how, or physically can't access it (how do I do it on my macbook pro, for instance?) then it is useless 2021-03-08T18:42:44 #kisslinux if you're using a macbook you're automatically irrelevant 2021-03-08T18:42:47 #kisslinux facts. 2021-03-08T18:42:52 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T18:43:02 #kisslinux i mean, that's ostensibly not the case :P 2021-03-08T18:43:10 #kisslinux but it's the case in reality 2021-03-08T18:43:49 #kisslinux Be should have replaced Apple 2021-03-08T18:43:53 #kisslinux change my mind 2021-03-08T18:44:21 #kisslinux i was running FreeBSD on my macbook pro until the battery died on me 2021-03-08T18:44:30 #kisslinux >fBSD >mbp 2021-03-08T18:44:32 #kisslinux checks out 2021-03-08T18:44:47 #kisslinux :) 2021-03-08T18:44:52 #kisslinux i only associate with oBSD thinkpad users 2021-03-08T18:44:56 #kisslinux the true chads 2021-03-08T18:45:04 #kisslinux Talkind about shellscripts: use tcc to run kilo or something else without compiling. C script lol 2021-03-08T18:45:12 #kisslinux i had void linux on my thinkpad t43 until _its_ battery also died 2021-03-08T18:45:19 #kisslinux 32-bit too 2021-03-08T18:45:31 #kisslinux noooooooooooo you can't just use a 32-bit system! 2021-03-08T18:46:28 #kisslinux although I will admit that I do miss my A31p 2021-03-08T18:46:54 #kisslinux rocking tty-only slackware on a desktop replacement from the 2000s was pretty aesthetic ngl 2021-03-08T18:47:45 #kisslinux that thinkpad is my favorite of the machines i've had 2021-03-08T18:47:54 #kisslinux old thinkpads are pretty good 2021-03-08T18:48:01 #kisslinux yeah it was prior to lenovo 2021-03-08T18:48:07 #kisslinux 2005 lol 2021-03-08T18:48:23 #kisslinux the only lenovo thinkpad I would want would be the W701DS 2021-03-08T18:48:30 #kisslinux because it's a massive meme machine 2021-03-08T18:48:52 #kisslinux just... absolutely hilarious in its overkill 2021-03-08T18:49:19 #kisslinux like, it has a screen 2021-03-08T18:49:21 #kisslinux inside its screen 2021-03-08T18:49:29 #kisslinux and a built-in drawing tablet 2021-03-08T18:49:34 #kisslinux not a digitizer, but a full drawing tablet 2021-03-08T18:49:34 #kisslinux screens in touchpads are the future uwu 2021-03-08T18:49:52 #kisslinux i'm sentencing you to death by firing squad 2021-03-08T18:50:09 #kisslinux i refuse to live in a world where every laptop looks like that stupid razer phone gimmick 2021-03-08T18:50:49 #kisslinux I have a T400s with a gentoo on it. Best keyboard ever :) 2021-03-08T18:51:13 #kisslinux Nah touchscreen garbage is as bad as using mouse. Wouldn't put my hands away from keyboard 2021-03-08T18:51:20 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T18:51:28 #kisslinux Tablets and touchscreens are for media consumption, not work 2021-03-08T18:52:17 #kisslinux https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/lenovo-thinkpad-w701ds 2021-03-08T18:52:19 #kisslinux look at this unit 2021-03-08T18:52:23 #kisslinux pure sex 2021-03-08T18:52:35 #kisslinux an absolute lad of a machine 2021-03-08T18:52:46 #kisslinux Gets me all hot and bothered for sure 2021-03-08T18:53:30 #kisslinux Cons: no DirectX 11. How's that a con? 2021-03-08T18:53:35 #kisslinux muh gaymes 2021-03-08T18:55:13 #kisslinux hm my wireless card isn't being seen 2021-03-08T18:55:35 #kisslinux check drivers, check firmware, ensure rfkill isn't on if your machine has killswitches 2021-03-08T18:56:55 #kisslinux you can tell that article above is dated because 30fps at 1366x768 is called "respectable" 2021-03-08T18:57:12 #kisslinux look at that power brick :D 2021-03-08T18:57:37 #kisslinux oh yeah the w701ds is crazy power-hungry for a laptop 2021-03-08T18:57:53 #kisslinux but for a quadro, i7, and two hi-res screens what do you expect 2021-03-08T18:58:27 #kisslinux honestly, if I could attach a second screen to my laptop, I would 2021-03-08T18:58:36 #kisslinux Secondary slide-out display. I wonder if there would be real use for it 2021-03-08T18:58:42 #kisslinux terminal 2021-03-08T18:58:46 #kisslinux email/IM 2021-03-08T18:58:55 #kisslinux webpages with reference material for something on the main screen 2021-03-08T18:59:32 #kisslinux as someone who uses three - soon to be four - monitors, you can never have "too much" 2021-03-08T19:00:12 #kisslinux I don't think that having a secondary screen for me would do anything to boost productivity or something like that because you mostly look at one display and others just eat energy 2021-03-08T19:00:27 #kisslinux Had two displays and that's why I don't do it that way 2021-03-08T19:00:33 #kisslinux that's fair 2021-03-08T19:00:46 #kisslinux Hello again 2021-03-08T19:00:54 #kisslinux I tend to multitask a lot so being able to keep lots of stuff visible is amazing 2021-03-08T19:00:59 #kisslinux hello, 2d 2021-03-08T19:01:20 #kisslinux Okay now xorg wont work the keyboard and mouse 2021-03-08T19:01:28 #kisslinux I tried to install eudev 2021-03-08T19:01:33 #kisslinux But not works 2021-03-08T19:01:36 #kisslinux libinput 2021-03-08T19:01:44 #kisslinux Installed too 2021-03-08T19:01:55 #kisslinux no idea then 2021-03-08T19:02:53 #kisslinux checked errors and stuff? 2021-03-08T19:03:32 #kisslinux Thats the problem 2021-03-08T19:03:43 #kisslinux hellboy2d, sudo addgroup hellboy2d input 2021-03-08T19:04:58 #kisslinux Xorg initiates but the xorg log in .local had nothing 2021-03-08T19:05:08 #kisslinux And my user already in input group 2021-03-08T19:06:28 #kisslinux can you add st & before exec dwm in your xinitrc 2021-03-08T19:06:32 #kisslinux or w/e terminal emulator you're using 2021-03-08T19:06:37 #kisslinux just to see if you can actually *type* things? 2021-03-08T19:06:45 #kisslinux Okay 2021-03-08T19:07:31 #kisslinux Yeah 2021-03-08T19:07:33 #kisslinux Nothing 2021-03-08T19:07:43 #kisslinux wonderful 2021-03-08T19:07:56 #kisslinux St launch 2021-03-08T19:07:59 #kisslinux just to confirm, you are or you aren't using a device manager? 2021-03-08T19:08:11 #kisslinux a la a running eudev or mdev service 2021-03-08T19:08:13 #kisslinux I install eudev 2021-03-08T19:08:20 #kisslinux Put in the service 2021-03-08T19:09:35 #kisslinux So i not used mdev because i wont able to know the entries in the inputs 2021-03-08T19:09:58 #kisslinux Setxkbmap wont work and xinput not work to because xorg is not loaded 2021-03-08T19:10:35 #kisslinux BUT 2021-03-08T19:10:50 #kisslinux I get a idea an test now 2021-03-08T19:11:39 #kisslinux Yeah wont work 2021-03-08T19:11:45 #kisslinux I do reinstall all again 2021-03-08T19:12:21 #kisslinux `kiss-depends xorg-server` ? 2021-03-08T19:13:29 #kisslinux It suposed to appears libinput? 2021-03-08T19:14:05 #kisslinux wasn't there something with having at least one font installed? 2021-03-08T19:14:24 #kisslinux you should see eudev and libinput in that list 2021-03-08T19:14:32 #kisslinux you don't *need* to install a font 2021-03-08T19:14:42 #kisslinux Is nothing in that list 2021-03-08T19:14:47 #kisslinux Wierd 2021-03-08T19:14:52 #kisslinux I installed it 2021-03-08T19:14:57 #kisslinux rebuild it 2021-03-08T19:15:07 #kisslinux there was something some time ago where people couldn't start X because they had 0 fonts 2021-03-08T19:15:14 #kisslinux i'm calling BS 2021-03-08T19:15:21 #kisslinux check logs 2021-03-08T19:15:37 #kisslinux iirc they could always start X just couldn't launch anything 2021-03-08T19:15:43 #kisslinux that sounds more accurate 2021-03-08T19:15:54 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T19:16:00 #kisslinux this is just an input problem 2021-03-08T19:16:07 #kisslinux if st launches he's gucci with fonts 2021-03-08T19:16:07 #kisslinux X doesn't crash, and older programs that use bitmaps will be fine 2021-03-08T19:16:28 #kisslinux but i believe gtk will render nothing but mojibake without ttfs 2021-03-08T19:16:54 #kisslinux 20:07 hellboy2d St launch 2021-03-08T19:16:59 #kisslinux anyway, today in "bullshit that I have to put up with because my government is incompetent" 2021-03-08T19:17:00 #kisslinux I guess that confirms it 2021-03-08T19:17:07 #kisslinux but for me the problem wasn't clear 2021-03-08T19:17:10 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T19:17:17 #kisslinux he did say a while back he liberation or w/e as well haha 2021-03-08T19:17:18 #kisslinux "X does not start" 2021-03-08T19:17:19 #kisslinux Yeah is the input only 2021-03-08T19:17:25 #kisslinux *shrugs* 2021-03-08T19:17:26 #kisslinux The font was a problem before 2021-03-08T19:17:31 #kisslinux But i installed one 2021-03-08T19:17:44 #kisslinux i lub xorg :v 2021-03-08T19:17:58 #kisslinux can't wait to rm -rf repo/xorg 2021-03-08T19:17:59 #kisslinux laptop battery was supposed to be delievered today, but was too large to fit in my storage locker, so they left a delivery notice. thing is, I need g'vt ID with my address on it. but I can't change my address because of bureaucratic fuckery. so I need to sign the delivery notice, give it to a friend, and have *them* pick it up instead 2021-03-08T19:18:00 #kisslinux :| 2021-03-08T19:18:01 #kisslinux giddy at the thought 2021-03-08T19:18:03 #kisslinux also 2021-03-08T19:18:06 #kisslinux X isn't bad 2021-03-08T19:18:16 #kisslinux just because you don't know how to use it 2021-03-08T19:18:17 #kisslinux X make me feel bad tho 2021-03-08T19:18:18 #kisslinux O love x 2021-03-08T19:18:30 #kisslinux oi i used xorg for fifteen years :P 2021-03-08T19:18:36 #kisslinux wow you're ancient 2021-03-08T19:18:37 #kisslinux Is hard and broken sometimes but i love 2021-03-08T19:18:47 #kisslinux Wayland is too bloated 2021-03-08T19:18:51 #kisslinux KISS was the easiest xorg setup I ever had tbh 2021-03-08T19:19:03 #kisslinux shockingly, when upstream isn't shoving shit on you, life is good 2021-03-08T19:19:21 #kisslinux > wayland bloated 2021-03-08T19:19:26 #kisslinux > mfw all my wayland stuff is < 10mb 2021-03-08T19:19:31 #kisslinux wayland 2021-03-08T19:19:31 #kisslinux more like 2021-03-08T19:19:33 #kisslinux gayland 2021-03-08T19:19:38 #kisslinux f 2021-03-08T19:19:42 #kisslinux cue airhorns 2021-03-08T19:19:55 #kisslinux but anon, i AM gay 2021-03-08T19:19:59 #kisslinux oh, actually, they didn't just leave one notice 2021-03-08T19:20:01 #kisslinux they left three 2021-03-08T19:20:05 #kisslinux seems fucking legit 2021-03-08T19:21:04 #kisslinux god I'm so mad rn 2021-03-08T19:22:06 #kisslinux https://tube.connect.cafe/watch?v=P-_GWUw8LwM 2021-03-08T19:22:20 #kisslinux Wayland is more lightweight to xorg? 2021-03-08T19:22:39 #kisslinux I read about performance and X is about a little better 2021-03-08T19:22:43 #kisslinux look at this ancient meme content 2021-03-08T19:22:54 #kisslinux comparing X to Wayland is kind of like apples to oranegs 2021-03-08T19:22:54 #kisslinux i mean xorg is probably more lightweight 2021-03-08T19:22:57 #kisslinux oranges* 2021-03-08T19:22:59 #kisslinux I love FilthyFrank & co still 2021-03-08T19:23:07 #kisslinux i idled at 90MB usage on a xorg desktop 2021-03-08T19:23:10 #kisslinux Best of the best and there won't be another one 2021-03-08T19:23:11 #kisslinux xorg on its own is 100% more lightweight than a wayland compostiro 2021-03-08T19:23:12 #kisslinux FUCK 2021-03-08T19:23:17 #kisslinux rn I idle with probably 200MB used... 2021-03-08T19:23:17 #kisslinux I can't spell today 2021-03-08T19:23:27 #kisslinux rendering a wallpaper takes 50MB, it's kinda gross 2021-03-08T19:23:38 #kisslinux gonna go smack my head against the wall 2021-03-08T19:23:44 #kisslinux Yeah i hears about the joke 50mb wallpaper 2021-03-08T19:24:36 #kisslinux Wayland is the new systemd 2021-03-08T19:24:58 #kisslinux don't compliment systemd 2021-03-08T19:25:06 #kisslinux Lmao systemd 2021-03-08T19:25:13 #kisslinux That's cancerous to compare 2021-03-08T19:25:35 #kisslinux So return to my xorg server 2021-03-08T19:25:45 #kisslinux I rebuild libinput and eudev 2021-03-08T19:25:57 #kisslinux And magically not happens 2021-03-08T19:26:19 #kisslinux I think the reinstall is ther better 2021-03-08T19:26:20 #kisslinux * nxghtmvrx happy reinstall gentoo noises 2021-03-08T19:28:08 #kisslinux i don't think reinstalling is necessary 2021-03-08T19:28:13 #kisslinux reboot and see what happens first :v 2021-03-08T19:28:27 #kisslinux I already do it kkkkkkkkk 2021-03-08T19:28:38 #kisslinux I gonna crazy with this x install 2021-03-08T19:29:17 #kisslinux Meh I was troubleshooting kernel for more than 3 days. Built 70+ kernels at that time. Not a big deal after all 2021-03-08T19:31:25 #kisslinux I gonna rebuild xorg 2021-03-08T19:32:27 #kisslinux configuring displays on wayland is ez pz tho 2021-03-08T19:32:54 #kisslinux setting different wallpapers on two different screens? just one line in a config file ez 2021-03-08T19:33:15 #kisslinux new display? plug&play no configuring geometry settings ez clap 2021-03-08T19:33:52 #kisslinux I do wayland one day 2021-03-08T19:33:58 #kisslinux After hearing that having wallpaper takes 50m I'm reconsidering to install xorg instead of wayland myself :p 2021-03-08T19:34:06 #kisslinux do it 2021-03-08T19:34:08 #kisslinux xorg is based 2021-03-08T19:34:09 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T19:34:15 #kisslinux install fvwm while you're at it 2021-03-08T19:34:23 #kisslinux Nah dwm probably 2021-03-08T19:34:50 #kisslinux L a m e 2021-03-08T19:34:50 #kisslinux I like but my mind says ALL SYSTEMS ONLY HAD TO TAKE 50MB RAM AND NOTHING MORE 2021-03-08T19:35:09 #kisslinux On the other hand I have plenty of memory. Why the hell I care about using 50m less so much? Unused ram is wasted ram 2021-03-08T19:35:11 #kisslinux if you go one bit above 50mb you vanish in a puff of logic 2021-03-08T19:35:12 #kisslinux the solution is to not use a wallpaper 2021-03-08T19:35:17 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T19:35:25 #kisslinux real chads use xsetroot 2021-03-08T19:35:40 #kisslinux black background ftw 2021-03-08T19:35:45 #kisslinux I always use blackscreen instead of any wallpaper 2021-03-08T19:35:50 #kisslinux hrng 2021-03-08T19:35:54 #kisslinux I never see the background anyway, everything's fullscreen 2021-03-08T19:35:55 #kisslinux i'm more of a windows 95 blue kinda guy 2021-03-08T19:36:01 #kisslinux how can i flex my epeen and good taste without a wallpaper 2021-03-08T19:36:10 #kisslinux wallpapers are bloat 2021-03-08T19:36:18 #kisslinux but they're pretty bloat 2021-03-08T19:36:40 #kisslinux Rebuild xorg works 2021-03-08T19:36:40 #kisslinux so it's okay 2021-03-08T19:36:50 #kisslinux Gosh finally 2021-03-08T19:37:21 #kisslinux i can never not read gosh in CDI Link's voice 2021-03-08T19:37:32 #kisslinux I think I'll be framebuffer caveman after all. So much less installed garbage 2021-03-08T19:37:33 #kisslinux hooray 2021-03-08T19:37:37 #kisslinux I'm pretty anti rice 2021-03-08T19:37:40 #kisslinux welcome to the club hellboy2d 2021-03-08T19:37:45 #kisslinux feels nice when you can use programs with minimal setup 2021-03-08T19:37:47 #kisslinux whoa hey no need to be so intolerant aarng 2021-03-08T19:37:56 #kisslinux Anyone knows whats the differences about the firefoxes pakages? 2021-03-08T19:37:57 #kisslinux :D 2021-03-08T19:38:03 #kisslinux they're all shit 2021-03-08T19:38:07 #kisslinux use nuegia browser 2021-03-08T19:38:12 #kisslinux or lynx 2021-03-08T19:38:13 #kisslinux or links 2021-03-08T19:38:16 #kisslinux ESR is extended support release, I think? 2021-03-08T19:38:24 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T19:38:26 #kisslinux it's basically just pegged to an older version, updates less frequently 2021-03-08T19:38:34 #kisslinux ESR is extended, quantum is nightly, bin is binary 2021-03-08T19:38:37 #kisslinux Use text-only browser. You don't need much more 2021-03-08T19:38:40 #kisslinux firefox-bin is just a prebuilt binary if you don't want to waste time building rust and firefox 2021-03-08T19:38:42 #kisslinux and the "standard" package is cringe 2021-03-08T19:38:49 #kisslinux I do surf one time 2021-03-08T19:38:49 #kisslinux but firefox is cringe in general 2021-03-08T19:38:56 #kisslinux But for college is shit 2021-03-08T19:38:58 #kisslinux did you guys see the logo for quantum? 2021-03-08T19:39:00 #kisslinux it's s fucking doge meme 2021-03-08T19:39:05 #kisslinux oh that reminds me, I need to add the firefox binary to the releases page. because I just happen to have one :S 2021-03-08T19:39:15 #kisslinux yeah it's been that for a while hasn't it? 2021-03-08T19:39:16 #kisslinux i love it 2021-03-08T19:39:22 #kisslinux i *hate* it 2021-03-08T19:39:24 #kisslinux it's so stupid 2021-03-08T19:39:32 #kisslinux I'm s e e t h i n g 2021-03-08T19:39:33 #kisslinux i'm here for it 2021-03-08T19:39:42 #kisslinux Just add please 2021-03-08T19:39:43 #kisslinux keep killing features and laying people off, as long as the meme train continues 2021-03-08T19:39:43 #kisslinux https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/files/2021/02/nightly-doge-logo.png 2021-03-08T19:39:46 #kisslinux look at this stupid bullshit 2021-03-08T19:39:54 #kisslinux fucking >NORMIES 2021-03-08T19:40:00 #kisslinux LITERALLY GET OFF OF MY PLANET 2021-03-08T19:40:03 #kisslinux Well if you go webkit route there's plenty of customizability tho. Like userscripts and stuff if you care 2021-03-08T19:40:08 #kisslinux I hate compile firefox i dont like it i only use for  college 2021-03-08T19:40:19 #kisslinux any browser that isn't chrom* has userscripts 2021-03-08T19:40:40 #kisslinux i don't think chrom* browsers have userscripts by default 2021-03-08T19:40:50 #kisslinux Anyone knows a browser good? 2021-03-08T19:40:56 #kisslinux I need a good one 2021-03-08T19:40:57 #kisslinux nuegia browser 2021-03-08T19:41:01 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T19:41:04 #kisslinux Yeah but having it in more minimalistic way and wash your js and stuff by hand is something 2021-03-08T19:41:13 #kisslinux i need to shill harder dilyn 2021-03-08T19:41:17 #kisslinux Bigbluebottom fucks my life with surf it wont work in surf 2021-03-08T19:41:36 #kisslinux you're primary choices are chromium-based (ungoogled chromium, falkon, viperbrowser), firefox (esr, bin), or webkit (surf?? idk but it's in community i think) 2021-03-08T19:41:48 #kisslinux you are primary choices 2021-03-08T19:41:58 #kisslinux Webkitgtk is in community 2021-03-08T19:42:03 #kisslinux beautiful 2021-03-08T19:42:05 #kisslinux Is community safe? 2021-03-08T19:42:05 #kisslinux chromium is iffy on sites sometimes, firefox is pretty solid in general, webkit will shit itself on a fair few sites last i heard 2021-03-08T19:42:16 #kisslinux community is unofficially official 2021-03-08T19:42:22 #kisslinux In my head community is the AUR 2021-03-08T19:42:24 #kisslinux the packages won't detonate your install 2021-03-08T19:42:27 #kisslinux it's all the shit you might want but don't need 2021-03-08T19:42:30 #kisslinux I vet the build scripts but that's about it 2021-03-08T19:42:41 #kisslinux most people use it, it has a lot of good stuff 2021-03-08T19:42:57 #kisslinux $ grep -c ' 50 2021-03-08T19:43:03 #kisslinux I need to read about kiss create packages 2021-03-08T19:43:04 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:05 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:05 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:06 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:07 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:08 #kisslinux 44 2021-03-08T19:43:09 #kisslinux 55 2021-03-08T19:43:10 #kisslinux I need ones for me 2021-03-08T19:43:10 #kisslinux fuck 2021-03-08T19:43:13 #kisslinux jesus 2021-03-08T19:43:20 #kisslinux everything is cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:24 #kisslinux even cringe is cringe 2021-03-08T19:43:31 #kisslinux this is my philosophy 2021-03-08T19:43:43 #kisslinux If is cringe compile it 2021-03-08T19:43:48 #kisslinux yes exactly 2021-03-08T19:43:53 #kisslinux cringepile it 2021-03-08T19:43:53 #kisslinux read this for some information on packaging http://k1sslinux.org/package-system 2021-03-08T19:43:58 #kisslinux Being cringe isn't cringe 2021-03-08T19:44:00 #kisslinux Its normal 2021-03-08T19:44:06 #kisslinux Any info about chroot? 2021-03-08T19:44:09 #kisslinux being cringe isn't cringe, but being cringe and acting as if it's not cringe is cringe 2021-03-08T19:44:11 #kisslinux look at some build scripts for an example 2021-03-08T19:44:16 #kisslinux like see, I'm super cringe 2021-03-08T19:44:19 #kisslinux so my wifi driver is listed in the kernel but when i set to to be built-in and rebuilt the kernel... iwlwifi spits out no suitable firmware found >:( 2021-03-08T19:44:19 #kisslinux I need for glibc apps like zoom and all modern bloat 2021-03-08T19:44:22 #kisslinux but I'm self aware that I'm cringe 2021-03-08T19:44:25 #kisslinux so it's not cringe 2021-03-08T19:44:52 #kisslinux manually put the driver under /usr/lib/firmware, rebooted, still no dice 2021-03-08T19:45:00 #kisslinux It happens to me 2021-03-08T19:45:06 #kisslinux I do the reinstall 2021-03-08T19:45:21 #kisslinux you can use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Creating_a_chroot an arch chroot, i did it for work for a few months 2021-03-08T19:45:27 #kisslinux I just plan to use use kiss rootfs inside kiss to build kernels and have less deps. If you want junk use Arch obv 2021-03-08T19:45:40 #kisslinux ominous: the firmware has to be there at compile time & listed 2021-03-08T19:46:03 #kisslinux Can i use gentoo for chroot? 2021-03-08T19:46:12 #kisslinux sure, but that sounds like hell 2021-03-08T19:46:13 #kisslinux All compiled i like 2021-03-08T19:46:14 #kisslinux lmfao 2021-03-08T19:46:17 #kisslinux i put it under /usr/lib/firmware prior to compiling my kernel, it should've been found i thought 2021-03-08T19:46:27 #kisslinux Can you install your junk in gentoo? That's the question you should ask yourself 2021-03-08T19:46:28 #kisslinux as long as they're listed in your kernel config 2021-03-08T19:46:55 #kisslinux CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE="names of firmwares space separated" 2021-03-08T19:46:59 #kisslinux Yeah gentoo drive me crazy with zoom all the shit packages 2021-03-08T19:47:09 #kisslinux I do with arch 2021-03-08T19:47:16 #kisslinux i assume gentoo has like, a tarball with a base gentoo system? 2021-03-08T19:47:33 #kisslinux if so, you can just literally do mkdir gentoo-chroot && tar xf gentoo-tarball.tar.gz -C gentoo-chroot 2021-03-08T19:47:49 #kisslinux CONFIG_EXTRA_FIRMWARE is listed as an empty string damn 2021-03-08T19:47:53 #kisslinux and then kiss-chroot gentoo-chroot and carry on as a gentoo user would 2021-03-08T19:48:13 #kisslinux I need only for launch steam or something 2021-03-08T19:48:22 #kisslinux That would be cringe tho. Just go arch 2021-03-08T19:48:40 #kisslinux look 2021-03-08T19:48:44 #kisslinux The zoom conferences i gona do with usb live fedora or something, is more easy 2021-03-08T19:48:44 #kisslinux this is the one time I'll say this 2021-03-08T19:48:47 #kisslinux if you're using musl 2021-03-08T19:48:49 #kisslinux Muh manual intervention is my favorite thing 2021-03-08T19:48:54 #kisslinux and you want to have a bloat free way to run steam 2021-03-08T19:48:57 #kisslinux ... 2021-03-08T19:48:59 #kisslinux use flatpak. 2021-03-08T19:49:06 #kisslinux hng 2021-03-08T19:49:12 #kisslinux it's unironically the easiest and simplest solution. 2021-03-08T19:49:13 #kisslinux I have to pick up dylan's torch on that huh 2021-03-08T19:49:24 #kisslinux Flatpak cringe 2021-03-08T19:49:26 #kisslinux i mean flatpack et al were literally designed to solve this problem 2021-03-08T19:49:30 #kisslinux flatpak is very cringe 2021-03-08T19:49:32 #kisslinux Steam flatpak works well on kiss? 2021-03-08T19:49:34 #kisslinux but you know what's more cringe? 2021-03-08T19:49:39 #kisslinux installing an entire distro within your distro 2021-03-08T19:49:45 #kisslinux I don't think flatpak has really been tested :S 2021-03-08T19:49:45 #kisslinux and a fuckton of duplicate packages 2021-03-08T19:49:54 #kisslinux and having to start a new X server just to run steam 2021-03-08T19:49:59 #kisslinux that's like 2021-03-08T19:50:04 #kisslinux pentacringe 2021-03-08T19:50:10 #kisslinux you don't have to start a new server just do localhost passthrough 2021-03-08T19:50:10 #kisslinux I do not like flatpak but for my if i can run steam on a arch chroot i go in arch 2021-03-08T19:50:36 #kisslinux Dude why you don't simply use something like bedrock if you want features from different distros tho 2021-03-08T19:50:42 #kisslinux because bedrock a) 2021-03-08T19:50:45 #kisslinux doesn't work well with kiss 2021-03-08T19:50:46 #kisslinux and b) 2021-03-08T19:50:52 #kisslinux is hilariously unstable and insecure 2021-03-08T19:50:54 #kisslinux Its crinfe 2021-03-08T19:50:58 #kisslinux Cringe* 2021-03-08T19:51:05 #kisslinux but it's named bedrock how could it be insecure 2021-03-08T19:51:08 #kisslinux bedrock so stable 2021-03-08T19:51:19 #kisslinux bedrock is just abuse of chroots 2021-03-08T19:51:20 #kisslinux Its like onyx in pokemon 2021-03-08T19:51:23 #kisslinux bedrock is bedrock(funni) 2021-03-08T19:51:26 #kisslinux Only the name works well 2021-03-08T19:51:34 #kisslinux "whoa dude this must be a minecraft distro!" 2021-03-08T19:51:43 #kisslinux insert soyface 2021-03-08T19:52:05 #kisslinux midfavila: do you have any concrete examples of instability or security issues? 2021-03-08T19:52:14 #kisslinux Can i have some hope in musl steam someday? 2021-03-08T19:52:18 #kisslinux Or only a dream? 2021-03-08T19:52:19 #kisslinux Luke Smith is Minecraft's Steve that's why he out there in the wild 2021-03-08T19:52:33 #kisslinux Bedrock his favorite distro he never heard of 2021-03-08T19:52:34 #kisslinux Bedrock's fix for the compatibility issue with KISS is on the roadmap for 0.8 2021-03-08T19:52:36 #kisslinux personally? no, because I don't use it. but last I checked there was a post talking about how some package managers effectively were "jumping" chroots 2021-03-08T19:52:44 #kisslinux in particular, kiss 2021-03-08T19:53:01 #kisslinux and I think void's xbps was wonky, too? 2021-03-08T19:53:10 #kisslinux i don't really follow it. it's more of a novelty to me 2021-03-08T19:53:21 #kisslinux I'm deeply familiar with the issue with KISS and do not follow how it relates to security or stability concerns 2021-03-08T19:53:28 #kisslinux I don't know of any open issues with xbps 2021-03-08T19:53:52 #kisslinux ...if I can run arbitrary scripts as root and it jumps chroots, you don't see how that's an issue? 2021-03-08T19:54:03 #kisslinux Nah don't you dare do void in bedrock. Its holy grail 2021-03-08T19:54:20 #kisslinux always forget paradigm idles in here 2021-03-08T19:54:44 #kisslinux like, again, I don't use bedrock so you can tell me to fuck off if you want and that's fair 2021-03-08T19:54:49 #kisslinux I think you're incorrectly conflating Bedrock's use of the chroot() system call with security. 2021-03-08T19:55:19 #kisslinux maybe. 2021-03-08T19:55:23 #kisslinux I looked in nuegia browser 2021-03-08T19:55:28 #kisslinux Honestly my concern is more that I'm missing something, in which case I would want to know to fix it. Only secondarily that you're spreading unfounded FUD. 2021-03-08T19:55:33 #kisslinux Is pale moon rebuild? 2021-03-08T19:55:57 #kisslinux yeah, pale moon stripped of proprietary assets. has better default settings as well 2021-03-08T19:56:06 #kisslinux and "FUD" generally implies a malicious intent 2021-03-08T19:56:18 #kisslinux You heard about librewolf? 2021-03-08T19:56:19 #kisslinux Conceded. Is there a better word I should use in this context? 2021-03-08T19:56:30 #kisslinux not really. it's just overkill 2021-03-08T19:56:35 #kisslinux if i'm wrong then I'm wrong and it's whatever 2021-03-08T19:56:36 #kisslinux Gotcha 2021-03-08T19:56:38 #kisslinux C'est la vie 2021-03-08T19:56:45 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-08T19:57:18 #kisslinux I wonder why kiss ships firefox instead of waterfox tho 2021-03-08T19:57:41 #kisslinux i think there've been a few times dylan explained 2021-03-08T19:57:47 #kisslinux https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210222#c6996715 2021-03-08T19:58:34 #kisslinux that reminds me, I need to try rebuilding nuegia without dbus junk 2021-03-08T19:58:53 #kisslinux but I'm not sure if that would work since even moonchild states you need dbus-glib 2021-03-08T19:59:02 #kisslinux Man i got no point in kiss now 2021-03-08T19:59:16 #kisslinux Its just consum equals gentoo my ram 2021-03-08T19:59:25 #kisslinux well, uh, yeah 2021-03-08T19:59:36 #kisslinux if you're running the same programs with the same optimizations you're gonna get about the same results 2021-03-08T19:59:43 #kisslinux Yeah I told you. You make things harder too much for no reason or real benefit 2021-03-08T19:59:53 #kisslinux something something musl > glibc 2021-03-08T19:59:59 #kisslinux me or 2d, nxghtmvrx? 2021-03-08T20:00:09 #kisslinux I think musl > glibc 2021-03-08T20:00:11 #kisslinux 2d ofc 2021-03-08T20:00:16 #kisslinux just checking :p 2021-03-08T20:00:24 #kisslinux and yeah musl is the ideal for a C lib rn 2021-03-08T20:00:24 #kisslinux But damn i thinking i be much ismaller 2021-03-08T20:00:34 #kisslinux And are exactly the same ram 2021-03-08T20:00:43 #kisslinux musl doesn't magically make programs more efficient 2021-03-08T20:01:03 #kisslinux Is more faster but damn 2021-03-08T20:01:06 #kisslinux The ram 2021-03-08T20:01:10 #kisslinux I gonna cry 2021-03-08T20:01:15 #kisslinux = w= 2021-03-08T20:01:32 #kisslinux Okay 2021-03-08T20:01:47 #kisslinux Maybe is the wpa and dhcpcd and the all drivers shit 2021-03-08T20:01:48 #kisslinux Where is it small and what's the benefit of it if you still want to bring all the junk inside again? It won't be much better than any other thing 2021-03-08T20:02:13 #kisslinux Imo sacrifices must be made 2021-03-08T20:02:16 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T20:02:35 #kisslinux Yeah a think i go in kiss 2021-03-08T20:02:55 #kisslinux I just need setup a arch gaming chroot 2021-03-08T20:03:14 #kisslinux Eiwd needs dhcpd to works or not? 2021-03-08T20:03:19 #kisslinux no 2021-03-08T20:03:29 #kisslinux Well its good 2021-03-08T20:03:41 #kisslinux The wiki in kiss is good? 2021-03-08T20:03:47 #kisslinux I about to test it 2021-03-08T20:03:50 #kisslinux kinda small but the articles are well-written 2021-03-08T20:04:01 #kisslinux Good 2021-03-08T20:04:17 #kisslinux Man i illuded 2021-03-08T20:04:22 #kisslinux I see a post in reddit 2021-03-08T20:04:25 #kisslinux @midfavila extlinux boots for me in 3 seconds compared to 1.5 minutes for my Lubuntu LiveUSB and like 5 minutes for the old Windows install 2021-03-08T20:04:30 #kisslinux 76mb ram a system 2021-03-08T20:04:42 #kisslinux I thinking "whoa i have do to this" 2021-03-08T20:04:51 #kisslinux yeah extlinux is pretty quick 2021-03-08T20:04:52 #kisslinux And now all reality happens 2021-03-08T20:05:08 #kisslinux but kiss in general starts up extremely fast 2021-03-08T20:05:13 #kisslinux Yes 2021-03-08T20:05:14 #kisslinux my KISS install is only 2G :o 2021-03-08T20:05:40 #kisslinux If a have much ram i gonna do all the shit bloat 2021-03-08T20:05:50 #kisslinux mine is about 8G but that's counting all of my media and stuff 2021-03-08T20:05:58 #kisslinux that's *just* the pkgs 2021-03-08T20:06:00 #kisslinux But 9gb is good but not whoa 2021-03-08T20:06:42 #kisslinux most of my disk usage is in stored source actually 2021-03-08T20:06:48 #kisslinux about half 2021-03-08T20:06:48 #kisslinux Any tips on booting kernel faster tho? My current time is 3s. Would be nice if I shaved a second 2021-03-08T20:06:51 #kisslinux dilyn lmao i downloaded the git tree view of the driver instead of the actual file... grabbing the actual file and rebuilding worked 2021-03-08T20:06:56 #kisslinux switch to hummingbird init 2021-03-08T20:07:02 #kisslinux don't start services as part of init 2021-03-08T20:07:03 #kisslinux lmao nice 2021-03-08T20:07:05 #kisslinux Use lz4 for the kernel compression 2021-03-08T20:07:07 #kisslinux start them afterward 2021-03-08T20:07:11 #kisslinux Is more faster 2021-03-08T20:07:18 #kisslinux lz4 already 2021-03-08T20:07:25 #kisslinux hummingbird go zoom 2021-03-08T20:07:29 #kisslinux indeed 2021-03-08T20:07:39 #kisslinux lz4 will unarchive slightly faster but will be a slightly larger kernel image 2021-03-08T20:07:45 #kisslinux my laptop boots to X in about two seconds, from extlinux 2021-03-08T20:07:46 #kisslinux Whats the smaller wm? 2021-03-08T20:07:47 #kisslinux honestly probably wouldn't notice the difference 2021-03-08T20:07:52 #kisslinux xwm probably 2021-03-08T20:08:05 #kisslinux Smaller tha dwm? 2021-03-08T20:08:05 #kisslinux once you get to shaving miliseconds off you don't notice, yeah 2021-03-08T20:08:13 #kisslinux the smallest wm is wmutils 2021-03-08T20:08:17 #kisslinux i mean maybe i have no idea 2021-03-08T20:08:19 #kisslinux :^) 2021-03-08T20:08:20 #kisslinux xwm, owm. dwm is bloat comparing to them 2021-03-08T20:08:23 #kisslinux i used i3 -> sowm -> wayland lol 2021-03-08T20:08:36 #kisslinux s/owm/sowm 2021-03-08T20:08:38 #kisslinux xwm, sowm. dwm is bloat comparing to them 2021-03-08T20:09:27 #kisslinux There was also monsterwm which is less bloaty than dwm but it didn't aged well 2021-03-08T20:11:01 #kisslinux use twm 2021-03-08T20:11:52 #kisslinux just print everything to the framebuffer 2021-03-08T20:12:05 #kisslinux What your choices in wm? 2021-03-08T20:12:05 #kisslinux in-kernel windowing system 2021-03-08T20:12:14 #kisslinux make it happen linyos torvoltos 2021-03-08T20:13:06 #kisslinux https://external-preview.redd.it/WMqOXj43phx-2zNJeR0um1s2zCaFSJh3i4a2_Oh94Jo.jpg?auto=webp&s=9cd191a7fbe2cf07ccb2453e8df0b4c89b7ca75f 2021-03-08T20:13:08 #kisslinux totally unrelated 2021-03-08T20:13:23 #kisslinux but I think I found dylan if he were from the 80s 2021-03-08T20:13:32 #kisslinux oh jeez 2021-03-08T20:13:42 #kisslinux he's been trapped in a magazine this entire time wtf 2021-03-08T20:13:54 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T20:14:23 #kisslinux i unironically love that image 2021-03-08T20:14:23 #kisslinux If you want dwm-like experience- then go only with dwm. There's nothing better' I'd say. Just trim everything you don't need and won't use like programs bound to workspaces, bar, unneeded layouts. 2021-03-08T20:14:24 #kisslinux makes me giggle 2021-03-08T20:17:16 #kisslinux So much bloat tho 2021-03-08T20:17:30 #kisslinux it's only bloat if it's not serving a good purpose 2021-03-08T20:18:23 #kisslinux Spartan mindset= everything is bloat. BaSeD 2021-03-08T20:21:15 #kisslinux Xwm is good 2021-03-08T20:21:44 #kisslinux I not see owm in search 2021-03-08T20:21:47 #kisslinux Any links? 2021-03-08T20:22:06 #kisslinux sowm, not owm 2021-03-08T20:22:18 #kisslinux https://github.com/dylanaraps/sowm 2021-03-08T20:22:26 #kisslinux http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 2021-03-08T20:22:41 #kisslinux amusing short story I found in the course of looking around for a private eye 2021-03-08T20:22:51 #kisslinux the uh, gadget in the image, not a P.I 2021-03-08T20:25:09 #kisslinux Sowm looks good 2021-03-08T20:25:16 #kisslinux I think i go with 2021-03-08T20:25:33 #kisslinux I love this simplistic design no borders 2021-03-08T20:26:13 #kisslinux Can i add a compositor in it? 2021-03-08T20:26:16 #kisslinux I can't exist without tiling so no go for me 2021-03-08T20:26:41 #kisslinux Had no patch for tiling? 2021-03-08T20:26:52 #kisslinux use pytile 2021-03-08T20:27:02 #kisslinux or some other tiling manager 2021-03-08T20:27:05 #kisslinux you should be able to run a compositor with anything 2021-03-08T20:27:39 #kisslinux https://github.com/wmutils/contrib you could code one yourself, too 2021-03-08T20:27:43 #kisslinux Picom or xcomp? 2021-03-08T20:27:48 #kisslinux I would love to be cancerous enough to try compositor with framebuffer stuff 2021-03-08T20:27:53 #kisslinux assuming its not doing some really wacky stuff with xorg, which sowm doesnt 2021-03-08T20:27:56 #kisslinux i suggest xcompmgr 2021-03-08T20:28:00 #kisslinux picom is blech 2021-03-08T20:28:21 #kisslinux Okay 2021-03-08T20:28:29 #kisslinux So where you did from? 2021-03-08T20:28:39 #kisslinux ? 2021-03-08T20:28:43 #kisslinux Sorry 2021-03-08T20:28:57 #kisslinux it's fine, I just don't understand what you mean 2021-03-08T20:29:08 #kisslinux Yeah 2021-03-08T20:29:11 #kisslinux English bad 2021-03-08T20:29:24 #kisslinux I had a bug in mind 2021-03-08T20:29:30 #kisslinux One second 2021-03-08T20:29:33 #kisslinux Framebuffer is still a real thing tho https://github.com/caramelli/higfxback 2021-03-08T20:29:53 #kisslinux Where are you from? 2021-03-08T20:29:58 #kisslinux This looks much better 2021-03-08T20:30:19 #kisslinux Oh. I'm Canadian. 2021-03-08T20:31:04 #kisslinux The pinnacle of the world country resident with us :o 2021-03-08T20:31:44 #kisslinux Why EUA makes too much jokes with Canada? 2021-03-08T20:31:59 #kisslinux Dunno cuz im not from eua 2021-03-08T20:32:08 #kisslinux Canada is really the best 2021-03-08T20:32:22 #kisslinux Canada is... okay 2021-03-08T20:32:36 #kisslinux sowm with picom is purty 2021-03-08T20:32:37 #kisslinux https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde/master/10-26%2522%3A22%3A22.png 2021-03-08T20:32:38 #kisslinux there are a lot of good things, but a lot of bad things, too 2021-03-08T20:32:56 #kisslinux for example, there's a shockingly large homeless population in canada 2021-03-08T20:33:12 #kisslinux our education system is also lackluster 2021-03-08T20:33:20 #kisslinux Well its not just some utopia ofc 2021-03-08T20:33:36 #kisslinux our taxes also get misspent quite a lot 2021-03-08T20:33:47 #kisslinux and in the larger cities, there are major housing crises ongoing 2021-03-08T20:34:48 #kisslinux Damn dilyn i like 2021-03-08T20:35:18 #kisslinux If you think canada have bad things 2021-03-08T20:35:24 #kisslinux Try Brazil 2021-03-08T20:35:35 #kisslinux Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Canada is a bad place to live 2021-03-08T20:35:46 #kisslinux It's certainly not. 2021-03-08T20:35:59 #kisslinux But everything can be improved. 2021-03-08T20:36:04 #kisslinux Yeah I feel ya. Im in shithole country with situation worse than Brazil 2021-03-08T20:36:30 #kisslinux website and wiki are now mirrored to the server, and it redirects http requests to https 2021-03-08T20:36:35 #kisslinux because muh boycott 2021-03-08T20:36:49 #kisslinux >not redirecting https to http 2021-03-08T20:36:51 #kisslinux cringe 2021-03-08T20:36:59 #kisslinux i can only please so many people 2021-03-08T20:37:05 #kisslinux CRINGE 2021-03-08T20:37:11 #kisslinux kiedtl takes precedent. they have seniority 2021-03-08T20:37:29 #kisslinux rude 2021-03-08T20:37:36 #kisslinux i'm a valued contributor to this community 2021-03-08T20:37:39 #kisslinux * dilyn shrug 2021-03-08T20:37:45 #kisslinux take it up with the senate 2021-03-08T20:38:45 #kisslinux inb4 i am the senate 2021-03-08T20:39:09 #kisslinux dilyn, so do we keep the wiki formatting style? 2021-03-08T20:39:23 #kisslinux for now 2021-03-08T20:39:32 #kisslinux ok 2021-03-08T20:39:38 #kisslinux I don't know how important copy-pasteability is, and that would be my biggest motivator to change 2021-03-08T20:39:43 #kisslinux nxghtmvrx what your country? 2021-03-08T20:40:11 #kisslinux Oh dylin please you can add the wpa_supplicant article? 2021-03-08T20:40:13 #kisslinux I think keeping the website slim should take priority, personally 2021-03-08T20:40:23 #kisslinux Is missing in wiki 2021-03-08T20:40:34 #kisslinux the boxes being a bit annoying to create is my main gripe 2021-03-08T20:40:38 #kisslinux I wonder if there should be page for old radeon gpus because gentoo wiki explains everything so nice and simple 2021-03-08T20:40:56 #kisslinux not that I've ever contributed to the wiki 2021-03-08T20:41:04 #kisslinux Russia. Big cringe 2021-03-08T20:41:08 #kisslinux Man we need to make the wikis more simplistic 2021-03-08T20:41:13 #kisslinux but probably will soon, working on an nvi article 2021-03-08T20:41:14 #kisslinux Man i love hate Russia 2021-03-08T20:41:24 #kisslinux I like мы 2021-03-08T20:41:32 #kisslinux Its a good duet for me 2021-03-08T20:41:41 #kisslinux I just copy the skeleton box in the add-a-page page and use that :S 2021-03-08T20:41:42 #kisslinux from what I've seen of russia it seems... okay in some ways, not great in others 2021-03-08T20:41:45 #kisslinux overall, very cold 2021-03-08T20:42:03 #kisslinux i once met a russian who ended every sentence with "blin" 2021-03-08T20:42:05 #kisslinux now why is the wpa_supplicant article not in the wiki wtf 2021-03-08T20:42:09 #kisslinux which I'm told means something akin to "pancakes" 2021-03-08T20:42:45 #kisslinux omfg 2021-03-08T20:42:49 #kisslinux Blin is something like minor swear or very similar. Like "heck" 2021-03-08T20:42:53 #kisslinux it's an underscore not a hyphen 2021-03-08T20:42:54 #kisslinux smh 2021-03-08T20:43:13 #kisslinux ic 2021-03-08T20:43:17 #kisslinux I_HATE_C 2021-03-08T20:43:19 #kisslinux Man 2021-03-08T20:43:21 #kisslinux especially libgit2 2021-03-08T20:43:27 #kisslinux like, document yourself 2021-03-08T20:43:37 #kisslinux The ex corrupt president got free 2021-03-08T20:43:41 #kisslinux I love brazil 2021-03-08T20:43:48 #kisslinux tHe SoUrCe Is ThE dOcUmEnTaTiOn 2021-03-08T20:44:39 #kisslinux ^ 2021-03-08T20:45:01 #kisslinux Man can i write in the k1sslinux.org? 2021-03-08T20:45:07 #kisslinux my question is, why is libgit2 separate from git smh 2021-03-08T20:45:10 #kisslinux I do love help in some articles 2021-03-08T20:45:23 #kisslinux feel free to make a PR at https://github.com/kiss-community/wiki :) 2021-03-08T20:45:26 #kisslinux eiwd is segfaulting on me wee 2021-03-08T20:45:29 #kisslinux (the documentation itself isn't even a documentation. cringe) 2021-03-08T20:48:09 #kisslinux Honestly i don't see a lot of point in existence of kiss wiki and stuff. I think just link to gentoo in most cases and in some to arch would be enough. Exceptions maybe sx and such 2021-03-08T20:48:36 #kisslinux I think gentoo is a good wiki 2021-03-08T20:48:49 #kisslinux gentoo and arch have good and tolerable wikis respectively 2021-03-08T20:48:54 #kisslinux and are respectable in their own right 2021-03-08T20:49:00 #kisslinux But for me the gentoo wiki needs some changes 2021-03-08T20:49:01 #kisslinux but they layer abstraction onto their systems 2021-03-08T20:49:16 #kisslinux In some aspects is hard to a lil newbie understand 2021-03-08T20:49:16 #kisslinux I think most wikis are way too complicated for KISS' needs 2021-03-08T20:49:19 #kisslinux kiss doesn't, and as a result of the differing approaches, the wiki can provide insight the others can't 2021-03-08T20:49:23 #kisslinux We have to make it simple 2021-03-08T20:49:25 #kisslinux compare our efibootmgr article to arch's 2021-03-08T20:49:29 #kisslinux KEEP IT SIMPLE 2021-03-08T20:50:55 #kisslinux Because when I think how could I write page on old radeon gpus without pointing to other resource to figure out exact name of gpu it would be actually more complicated to try and describe myself 2021-03-08T20:51:20 #kisslinux So in this case its probably not even simpler than use gentoo 2021-03-08T20:51:34 #kisslinux you can always link to other resources, that's encouraged 2021-03-08T20:51:39 #kisslinux no need to duplicate *everything* 2021-03-08T20:52:08 #kisslinux Yep 2021-03-08T20:52:19 #kisslinux For exemple the firmware wiki is good 2021-03-08T20:52:29 #kisslinux I think is quit bit better than gentoo 2021-03-08T20:53:08 #kisslinux Offers a non menuconfig option 2021-03-08T20:53:35 #kisslinux And on keeping it simple... isn't kiss more on advanced side? Then there's no big point avoiding gentoo at all 2021-03-08T20:53:49 #kisslinux simple=/=easy to use 2021-03-08T20:54:06 #kisslinux refers to overall sophistication and complexity of the system 2021-03-08T20:54:50 #kisslinux I mean by simple to any people can understand the wiki without questions in mind 2021-03-08T20:54:54 #kisslinux yeah simple isn't simple in regards to ease of use for sure. its harder lol 2021-03-08T20:55:18 #kisslinux Gentoo is a hard system but if you read all the handbook install you understand how to install 2021-03-08T20:55:36 #kisslinux In some parts the wiki of kiss is confused 2021-03-08T20:55:59 #kisslinux You need a other knowledge to do the work 2021-03-08T20:55:59 #kisslinux If I would read everything then I'd probably yeet to lfs myself lol 2021-03-08T20:56:06 #kisslinux the point of most of the wiki should be as a quick reference guide by using kiss-help wiki/path/to/article 2021-03-08T20:56:19 #kisslinux that is the ideal use-case imo 2021-03-08T20:56:41 #kisslinux like 'how does bkeymaps work? oh right *pull up article real quick from cli* ah yes perfect' 2021-03-08T20:56:55 #kisslinux manpages++ 2021-03-08T20:57:02 #kisslinux ew 2021-03-08T20:57:15 #kisslinux you know it to be true 2021-03-08T20:57:21 #kisslinux the ONLY docs I keep are the ones distributed with kiss 2021-03-08T20:57:40 #kisslinux Yeah but... installing grub maybe should switched to something else and stuff. So at this point if I consider alternatives there's not much of a difference to describe every other thing 2021-03-08T20:57:44 #kisslinux i tend to keep my docs available for any progs I use 2021-03-08T20:57:48 #kisslinux but outside of userspace, idc 2021-03-08T20:57:57 #kisslinux s/switched/be switched/ 2021-03-08T20:57:58 #kisslinux Yeah but... installing grub maybe should be switched to something else and stuff. So at this point if I consider alternatives there's not much of a difference to describe every other thing 2021-03-08T20:58:09 #kisslinux replace grub with syslinux 2021-03-08T20:58:10 #kisslinux do eet 2021-03-08T20:58:17 #kisslinux * midfavila pounds on table repeatedly 2021-03-08T20:58:45 #kisslinux if you wanna write a wiki/boot/syslinux article feel free 2021-03-08T20:59:04 #kisslinux ugh fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE 2021-03-08T20:59:09 #kisslinux i'll get around to it later today 2021-03-08T20:59:12 #kisslinux Lol alright. Let's yolo on more articles then 2021-03-08T20:59:24 #kisslinux gotta update my site real quick and do some other stuff though 2021-03-08T21:00:16 #kisslinux Can i edit all the articles or just create? 2021-03-08T21:01:44 #kisslinux Anyone know how i can launch a quick sh script in the init? 2021-03-08T21:02:11 #kisslinux I tired of exec KISS_PATH commands everytime 2021-03-08T21:02:16 #kisslinux just invoke it 2021-03-08T21:02:19 #kisslinux like any other program 2021-03-08T21:02:26 #kisslinux make sure the exec bit is set 2021-03-08T21:02:54 #kisslinux Okay 2021-03-08T21:03:16 #kisslinux Theres launch after login and before login. For after login one its /etc/rc.conf if I remember right 2021-03-08T21:04:16 #kisslinux I need to add a cronjob to clear /tmp... 2021-03-08T21:04:26 #kisslinux keep dumping a bunch of crap in it 2021-03-08T21:05:35 #kisslinux hellboy2d http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox 2021-03-08T21:05:40 #kisslinux Editing kiss articles on Void instead of KISS because I still don't want to deal with x/wayland 2021-03-08T21:05:48 #kisslinux cringe eh 2021-03-08T21:05:56 #kisslinux cringe cringe crine 2021-03-08T21:06:01 #kisslinux s/cringe/cringe 2021-03-08T21:06:06 #kisslinux gfdi 2021-03-08T21:06:14 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T21:06:17 #kisslinux this is what I get for only having three hours of sleep 2021-03-08T21:06:37 #kisslinux You try different pattern or something? 2021-03-08T21:06:42 #kisslinux no 2021-03-08T21:06:45 #kisslinux i just suck at sleeping 2021-03-08T21:07:00 #kisslinux I hate sleeping tbh 2021-03-08T21:07:20 #kisslinux i mean if you could just like 2021-03-08T21:07:21 #kisslinux not 2021-03-08T21:07:23 #kisslinux then that would be great 2021-03-08T21:07:54 #kisslinux So even if I physically feel worse I sleep less 2021-03-08T21:09:48 #kisslinux http://www.loper-os.org/ 2021-03-08T21:09:53 #kisslinux But I hope to finally get that everyman cycle right. Dunno why I can't even if did it before 2021-03-08T21:09:56 #kisslinux this is such a cool block 2021-03-08T21:09:59 #kisslinux blog 2021-03-08T21:10:00 #kisslinux god 2021-03-08T21:10:02 #kisslinux fucking 2021-03-08T21:10:03 #kisslinux damnit 2021-03-08T21:10:07 #kisslinux i quyit 2021-03-08T21:10:09 #kisslinux ... 2021-03-08T21:10:22 #kisslinux * midfavila screeches 2021-03-08T21:11:42 #kisslinux The thuth is no one besides you cares much about your mistakes even if you hate when it happens 2021-03-08T21:11:56 #kisslinux okay but I don't care if other people care about my mistakes 2021-03-08T21:12:02 #kisslinux because *I* care about my mistakes 2021-03-08T21:14:22 #kisslinux Any reccomendations for simple irc client that works with sasl? 2021-03-08T21:14:36 #kisslinux s/reccomendations/recommendations/ 2021-03-08T21:14:38 #kisslinux Any recommendations for simple irc client that works with sasl? 2021-03-08T21:16:32 #kisslinux mcpcpc has one: https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc 2021-03-08T21:17:57 #kisslinux kirc works with sasl if you use socat. 2021-03-08T21:20:54 #kisslinux ...oooooh, I wonder if I could build a chip that generates entropy for use on one of my i2c connections! 2021-03-08T21:20:57 #kisslinux that would be cool 2021-03-08T21:21:35 #kisslinux thanks. guess I'll try it 2021-03-08T21:22:27 #kisslinux kirc supports sasl plain without socat 2021-03-08T21:22:29 #kisslinux https://mcpcpc.github.io/kirc/documentation.html#sasl-plain-authentication 2021-03-08T21:38:48 #kisslinux midfavila, you already have that chip, it's your soundcard https://github.com/niklata/snd-egd 2021-03-08T21:39:18 #kisslinux i'll have to look into tRNG more 2021-03-08T21:39:45 #kisslinux i'm not familiar with the actual implementation of it and I've heard some people who... aren't fond of the practice of whitening 2021-03-08T21:40:01 #kisslinux definitely gonna keep that in mind though 2021-03-08T21:40:09 #kisslinux there's also chaoskey 2021-03-08T21:40:53 #kisslinux >usb >requires driver >out of production 2021-03-08T21:41:00 #kisslinux nah 2021-03-08T21:54:14 #kisslinux looks like the flowerboxes on the kiss website got messed up again 2021-03-08T22:03:52 #kisslinux hey look, i got the fossil page to load https://fossil.k1sslinux.org/index 2021-03-08T22:04:10 #kisslinux the flowerboxes get distorted when viewing with the wrong text size/window dimensions for me :S 2021-03-08T22:04:19 #kisslinux 300% font size resolves the problem :X 2021-03-08T22:05:11 #kisslinux im guessing flowerboxes means the boxing around the text body?? 2021-03-08T22:05:31 #kisslinux and it clones! woohoo! 2021-03-08T22:05:33 #kisslinux how big is the sqlite db with the commit in them? 2021-03-08T22:05:42 #kisslinux sqlite db :thinking: 2021-03-08T22:05:57 #kisslinux isnt fossil the sqlite db backend thing 2021-03-08T22:06:21 #kisslinux the whole repo (when opened) is 5MB 2021-03-08T22:06:42 #kisslinux the .fslckout is 116K 2021-03-08T22:07:24 #kisslinux ah my bad, I was looking with a different computer 2021-03-08T22:08:59 #kisslinux > Content is stored using a SQLite database so that transactions are atomic even if interrupted by a power loss or system crash.[3] 2021-03-08T22:09:03 #kisslinux yeah it looks perfect on my phone 2021-03-08T22:09:06 #kisslinux yeah, recalled correct. 2021-03-08T22:09:18 #kisslinux yeah you were right i got confused :P 2021-03-08T22:09:42 #kisslinux no idea how bad a 116k database is tho 2021-03-08T22:09:55 #kisslinux isnt that just a lockfile 2021-03-08T22:10:11 #kisslinux i'd think there's a .sqlite3 file somewhere 2021-03-08T22:10:17 #kisslinux i mean 'file' tells me it's a sqlite3 file 2021-03-08T22:10:22 #kisslinux there's nothing else tho 2021-03-08T22:10:27 #kisslinux o.0 2021-03-08T22:10:28 #kisslinux file once told me a plaintext file was matlab source code 2021-03-08T22:10:31 #kisslinux yah lol 2021-03-08T22:10:33 #kisslinux you can't always trust file's output 2021-03-08T22:10:37 #kisslinux loool 2021-03-08T22:10:38 #kisslinux wtf 2021-03-08T22:10:43 #kisslinux i mean if i read the file it says sqlite3 in the first few characters lol 2021-03-08T22:10:49 #kisslinux idk man i don't get fossil 2021-03-08T22:10:55 #kisslinux i am not a smart man 2021-03-08T22:11:39 #kisslinux personally, given that git works well and by a large margin the most used thing I'll just keep using it, but have fun with fossil :>) 2021-03-08T22:11:44 #kisslinux and is* 2021-03-08T22:11:50 #kisslinux well, linus is a smart man 2021-03-08T22:12:18 #kisslinux and he probably was "why use a db when the FS is already a db" 2021-03-08T22:12:48 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T22:12:55 #kisslinux this is mostly just for fine 2021-03-08T22:13:19 #kisslinux fair enough 2021-03-08T22:13:20 #kisslinux like for instance now I can set it up so that every time I push to the git repo on the server, it will automatically commit those changes to the fossil version 2021-03-08T22:13:27 #kisslinux so now I can just uninstall git and retire 2021-03-08T22:14:06 #kisslinux do you mean uninstall fossil? (I don't see how you'd push to the git repo if you uninstall git) 2021-03-08T22:14:33 #kisslinux I would obviously just chroot into my KDE system and push from there 2021-03-08T22:14:40 #kisslinux it's all cockamamey 2021-03-08T22:14:45 #kisslinux ah of course 2021-03-08T22:14:54 #kisslinux GPL must be purged from wyverkiss >=) 2021-03-08T22:15:11 #kisslinux oh wait git is GPL lol? 2021-03-08T22:15:18 #kisslinux mmhmm 2021-03-08T22:15:22 #kisslinux I guess I probably knew that already 2021-03-08T22:15:32 #kisslinux muh geepeen 2021-03-08T22:15:35 #kisslinux what else could I have expected it to be given that it's written by linus and he made kernel GPL 2021-03-08T22:15:37 #kisslinux gpl2 lgpl-2.1 2021-03-08T22:15:47 #kisslinux good ol' linus 2021-03-08T22:15:50 #kisslinux i should make a version of KISS where everything is aGPL 2021-03-08T22:15:57 #kisslinux :| 2021-03-08T22:16:01 #kisslinux lmao 2021-03-08T22:16:10 #kisslinux maximum Freedom:tm: 2021-03-08T22:16:12 #kisslinux nah more like wtfpl 2021-03-08T22:16:18 #kisslinux you were supposed to bring balance to the force 2021-03-08T22:16:19 #kisslinux lol how're you gonna purge GPL from wyverkiss if it's a linux distro :>) 2021-03-08T22:16:20 #kisslinux wtfpl is more like social commentary 2021-03-08T22:16:27 #kisslinux and there will be three packages that exists in the universe 2021-03-08T22:16:41 #kisslinux e5ten, of course we will eventually find a way to run BSD on top of the kernel and make the kernel exit 2021-03-08T22:16:43 #kisslinux duh 2021-03-08T22:16:45 #kisslinux dilyn will eventually write his own open source kernel 2021-03-08T22:16:47 #kisslinux and then never reboot! 2021-03-08T22:16:49 #kisslinux or use bsd 2021-03-08T22:16:49 #kisslinux never 2021-03-08T22:17:06 #kisslinux ...dragonflyBSD with KISS 2021-03-08T22:17:23 #kisslinux maximum hipster 2021-03-08T22:17:38 #kisslinux muh minix with kiss 2021-03-08T22:17:46 #kisslinux imagine wanting to use backdoorOS 2021-03-08T22:17:57 #kisslinux tannebaum is a fucking shill 2021-03-08T22:18:13 #kisslinux if only 2021-03-08T22:19:31 #kisslinux Two minix oses on one pc: challenge accepted. Just use Intel ME and run minix 2021-03-08T22:21:31 #kisslinux disgusting 2021-03-08T22:21:38 #kisslinux i'm so glad my hardware lets me cripple the ME 2021-03-08T22:21:51 #kisslinux hows that 2021-03-08T22:22:03 #kisslinux laptop exposes the ME through an interface 2021-03-08T22:22:16 #kisslinux blessed thinkpads eh 2021-03-08T22:22:21 #kisslinux it's a toughbook 2021-03-08T22:22:33 #kisslinux thinkpads post-06 are dogshit 2021-03-08T22:22:38 #kisslinux and don't let anyone tell you otherwise 2021-03-08T22:25:22 #kisslinux there's a shitload of VCS systems out there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_version-control_software 2021-03-08T22:25:38 #kisslinux best one is IBM, charging $4600 per license 2021-03-08T22:27:25 #kisslinux though tbh, fossil is probably the next best after git 2021-03-08T22:28:01 #kisslinux the author is well-known for e.g. the lemon parser, which is what almost all parser hacker gurus recommend 2021-03-08T22:29:17 #kisslinux jesus wtf ibm 2021-03-08T22:29:50 #kisslinux money money moneey 2021-03-08T22:31:06 #kisslinux $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 2021-03-08T22:31:11 #kisslinux grubbing intensifies 2021-03-08T22:39:50 #kisslinux Hello guys 2021-03-08T22:40:08 #kisslinux I have a question 2021-03-08T22:40:24 #kisslinux good for you 2021-03-08T22:40:29 #kisslinux How can a automatize my KISS_PATH and Cflags? 2021-03-08T22:40:41 #kisslinux CFLAGS, that would be a pain 2021-03-08T22:40:52 #kisslinux KISS_PATH, I have a hacky pipeline that works 2021-03-08T22:41:10 #kisslinux Its be a pain use it 2021-03-08T22:41:17 #kisslinux export KISS_PATH=$(du /var/db/kiss/repos -d2 | cut -f 2 | grep -v \. | sort | tr 'n' ':') 2021-03-08T22:41:25 #kisslinux it's ugly and inelegant but it works 2021-03-08T22:41:36 #kisslinux Can a make a .sh of it? 2021-03-08T22:41:50 #kisslinux just stick it in whatever file stores variables relevant to KISS... 2021-03-08T22:41:54 #kisslinux so yeah 2021-03-08T22:42:09 #kisslinux And cflag? 2021-03-08T22:42:26 #kisslinux Figure it out 2021-03-08T22:44:14 #kisslinux Theres a way i can teste the -j8. 2021-03-08T22:44:16 #kisslinux ? 2021-03-08T22:44:27 #kisslinux yeah, compile a program 2021-03-08T22:48:04 #kisslinux http://k1sslinux.org/install#5.1 2021-03-08T22:49:37 #kisslinux nproc ? 2021-03-08T22:50:06 #kisslinux yep that should work too 2021-03-08T22:50:26 #kisslinux or looking at lscpu output 2021-03-08T22:51:30 #kisslinux if you want to automate it, id use nproc 2021-03-08T22:51:33 #kisslinux imo 2021-03-08T22:51:49 #kisslinux setting makeflags? 2021-03-08T22:51:52 #kisslinux don't bother with nproc 2021-03-08T22:52:25 #kisslinux just grep the output of /proc/cpuinfo for "cores" and pass it through wc -l 2021-03-08T22:52:36 #kisslinux is that lighter? 2021-03-08T22:52:42 #kisslinux more portable. 2021-03-08T22:52:46 #kisslinux ah 2021-03-08T22:52:48 #kisslinux yeah aight 2021-03-08T22:52:55 #kisslinux my systems don't normally have nproc available 2021-03-08T22:53:02 #kisslinux export MAKEFLAGS="-j$((`grep 'cores' /proc/cpuinfo|wc -l`-2))" 2021-03-08T22:53:05 #kisslinux something like this works 2021-03-08T22:53:26 #kisslinux the -2 is to run 46 makejobs instead of 48 2021-03-08T22:53:44 #kisslinux you can remove that if you want 2021-03-08T22:53:47 #kisslinux but meh 2021-03-08T22:53:58 #kisslinux you have 48 cores ? 2021-03-08T22:54:09 #kisslinux 24c48t 2021-03-08T22:54:20 #kisslinux dafuq 2021-03-08T22:54:36 #kisslinux lmao my poor ass with my 2 cores XD 2021-03-08T22:54:48 #kisslinux don't get me wrong I spent all last year putting my machine together 2021-03-08T22:54:59 #kisslinux the trick is picking stuff up as it's offloaded from data centers onto ebay 2021-03-08T22:55:26 #kisslinux you can get xeons for literally dirt cheap 2021-03-08T22:55:41 #kisslinux including mainboard? 2021-03-08T22:55:54 #kisslinux mainboards for multi-cpu systems can be a bit expensive 2021-03-08T22:56:05 #kisslinux mine was 500CAD for example 2021-03-08T22:56:05 #kisslinux i know 2021-03-08T22:56:18 #kisslinux but it's also like, the most expensive part of the system 2021-03-08T22:56:30 #kisslinux so... 2021-03-08T22:56:39 #kisslinux tbh in 2021 64cores should be the norm, not the exception 2021-03-08T22:56:49 #kisslinux i disagree 2021-03-08T22:56:52 #kisslinux when did quadcores come out? 2007ish iirc 2021-03-08T22:57:06 #kisslinux the software most people use isn't even all that heavily multi-threaded 2021-03-08T22:57:22 #kisslinux what would your average gamer use 64c for? 2021-03-08T22:57:36 #kisslinux shit even CAD work doesn't need that 2021-03-08T22:57:48 #kisslinux chemistry stuff normally uses GPU acceleration 2021-03-08T22:58:09 #kisslinux only time I can see it being useful is in like, maybe video editing and programming work 2021-03-08T22:58:32 #kisslinux anything where you can use `make` for 2021-03-08T22:58:52 #kisslinux or jobflow/gnu parallel 2021-03-08T22:58:56 #kisslinux dilyn: "Not found" 2021-03-08T22:59:04 #kisslinux oh nvm 2021-03-08T22:59:07 #kisslinux had to remove /index 2021-03-08T22:59:17 #kisslinux i've never had luck with parallel 2021-03-08T22:59:22 #kisslinux very cool! 2021-03-08T22:59:26 #kisslinux heard that you can use xargs to accomplish something similar 2021-03-08T22:59:35 #kisslinux though with all the spyware tasks running on win10, one could certainly make good use of at least 16 cores 2021-03-08T22:59:38 #kisslinux I really need to learn how to use xargs well 2021-03-08T22:59:47 #kisslinux seems like such a powerful tool 2021-03-08T22:59:50 #kisslinux so at least the system stays *somewhat* responsive 2021-03-08T23:00:09 #kisslinux xargs, awk are top-tier yoonix equips 2021-03-08T23:00:19 #kisslinux yeah acheam I'm learning how fossil webservers work the hard way. by doing. 2021-03-08T23:00:19 #kisslinux they can only be wielded by the most powerful sysadmins 2021-03-08T23:00:27 #kisslinux their documentation is... verbose but unhelpful 2021-03-08T23:00:29 #kisslinux and honestly I think memory is better for windows 2021-03-08T23:00:34 #kisslinux considering all the goddamn leaking 2021-03-08T23:00:36 #kisslinux dilyn: that's the best way! 2021-03-08T23:00:57 #kisslinux but now fossil.k1sslinux.org displays all the repos that are setup :o 2021-03-08T23:01:14 #kisslinux and during my investigations into how to most effectively mirror these, I remembered git hooks are very powerful 2021-03-08T23:01:15 #kisslinux i wish more manpages were written in the suckless style 2021-03-08T23:01:19 #kisslinux bruv why doesnt http redirect to https 2021-03-08T23:01:26 #kisslinux you should make that f0ss1l.k1ssl1nux.0rg 2021-03-08T23:01:27 #kisslinux so now I don't have to git push && git push remote master, I can just git push and it'll do both! huzzah 2021-03-08T23:01:32 #kisslinux https for k1sslinux is a meme 2021-03-08T23:01:43 #kisslinux you're not sending any date smh 2021-03-08T23:01:43 #kisslinux because I didn't redirect https for that domain yet smh relAX 2021-03-08T23:01:53 #kisslinux never 2021-03-08T23:01:57 #kisslinux just means the fossil mirror isn't for you lad 2021-03-08T23:01:59 #kisslinux qq rip u 2021-03-08T23:02:12 #kisslinux k1ss is now 1337 hax0r distr0 2021-03-08T23:02:23 #kisslinux s/i/1/ 2021-03-08T23:02:25 #kisslinux k1ss 1s now 1337 hax0r distr0 2021-03-08T23:02:31 #kisslinux s/o/0/ 2021-03-08T23:02:33 #kisslinux k1ss is n0w 1337 hax0r distr0 2021-03-08T23:02:38 #kisslinux 1337 af 2021-03-08T23:02:48 #kisslinux you are like baby 2021-03-08T23:02:57 #kisslinux you *are* baby 2021-03-08T23:02:58 #kisslinux :> 2021-03-08T23:03:12 #kisslinux just don't touch my gun 2021-03-08T23:03:24 #kisslinux it costs $300,000 to run these servers, for six seconds 2021-03-08T23:03:31 #kisslinux 31$$ 1$ n0w 1337 4@xx0rz #1$140 2021-03-08T23:03:44 #kisslinux too 1337, crashed my irc client 2021-03-08T23:03:50 #kisslinux good 2021-03-08T23:03:51 #kisslinux WHO TOUCHED MY SAHSA? 2021-03-08T23:03:56 #kisslinux WHO TOUCHED MY SERVER? 2021-03-08T23:04:03 #kisslinux miss me with those 2007 memes 2021-03-08T23:04:09 #kisslinux > AES128 on k1sslinux.org 2021-03-08T23:04:10 #kisslinux :( 2021-03-08T23:04:20 #kisslinux better than rc4 2021-03-08T23:04:37 #kisslinux thats not saying much 2021-03-08T23:06:21 #kisslinux whoops I just pushed to kiss-community instead of my fork 2021-03-08T23:06:26 #kisslinux not master branch though 2021-03-08T23:06:34 #kisslinux so its fine 2021-03-08T23:08:23 #kisslinux anybody played around with cproc? 2021-03-08T23:08:27 #kisslinux https://git.sr.ht/~mcf/cproc 2021-03-08T23:08:46 #kisslinux i did 2021-03-08T23:08:50 #kisslinux looks like its capable of building a lot of decently complex programs 2021-03-08T23:08:51 #kisslinux it's superb 2021-03-08T23:09:06 #kisslinux the compiler itself compiles in like 2 seconds 2021-03-08T23:09:18 #kisslinux it's also quite fast 2021-03-08T23:09:23 #kisslinux oh nice 2021-03-08T23:09:30 #kisslinux side note: should I be using c99 or c11 for my programs? 2021-03-08T23:09:34 #kisslinux not tcc-fast, but still 2021-03-08T23:09:41 #kisslinux c99 2021-03-08T23:10:04 #kisslinux why? it seems that c11 is well adopter 2021-03-08T23:10:14 #kisslinux s/r/d 2021-03-08T23:10:16 #kisslinux why? it seems that c11 is well adopted 2021-03-08T23:10:21 #kisslinux not really 2021-03-08T23:10:27 #kisslinux only gcc clang and cproc 2021-03-08T23:11:22 #kisslinux http://git.simple-cc.org/scc/file/README.html 2021-03-08T23:11:34 #kisslinux lol the madness of this lad: https://github.com/andrewchambers/c, naming their C compiler C. 2021-03-08T23:11:43 #kisslinux c.c 2021-03-08T23:11:44 #kisslinux this one is quite promising too, in that it adds as, ld, etc 2021-03-08T23:11:45 #kisslinux thanks, i'l read that sh4rm4^bnc 2021-03-08T23:11:57 #kisslinux i.e. full binutils style toolchain 2021-03-08T23:13:04 #kisslinux it's written by k0ga of st-fame 2021-03-08T23:13:42 #kisslinux is c89 worth anything? 2021-03-08T23:13:59 #kisslinux it's kinda annoying 2021-03-08T23:14:00 #kisslinux the wikipedia page makes c99 seem a lot better 2021-03-08T23:14:05 #kisslinux how so? 2021-03-08T23:14:12 #kisslinux The syntax is just nicer 2021-03-08T23:14:14 #kisslinux for functions 2021-03-08T23:14:22 #kisslinux doesn't have compound initializers, requires all var declarations at function start 2021-03-08T23:14:23 #kisslinux also, there have been several new features 2021-03-08T23:14:39 #kisslinux ^^ that too 2021-03-08T23:15:00 #kisslinux err, c99 *does not* require var decls at func start 2021-03-08T23:15:15 #kisslinux it has _Bool, i believe, which c89 doesn't 2021-03-08T23:15:15 #kisslinux the only features of C11 that are somewhat interesting are atomics and generics 2021-03-08T23:15:28 #kisslinux _Generic is not what you'd think it is, though 2021-03-08T23:15:33 #kisslinux it's more of a switch statement for types 2021-03-08T23:15:39 #kisslinux rather than generics proper 2021-03-08T23:15:43 #kisslinux yeah, but useful nonetheless 2021-03-08T23:15:44 #kisslinux hmmm thanks 2021-03-08T23:16:09 #kisslinux speaking of C, that reminds me 2021-03-08T23:16:26 #kisslinux kiedtl: what does _Bool have over everyone's favorite "0" and "1" 2021-03-08T23:16:32 #kisslinux do you guys think a book that likely only contains ANSI, K&R and C89 would still be useful as an introduction? 2021-03-08T23:16:38 #kisslinux yes 2021-03-08T23:16:41 #kisslinux i imagine c99 would be a lot easier to learn after the basics 2021-03-08T23:16:47 #kisslinux ehh 2021-03-08T23:16:55 #kisslinux i mean style is quite diff 2021-03-08T23:17:03 #kisslinux Reading it is a good idea, but I'm not sure it should be a first 2021-03-08T23:17:03 #kisslinux i never use bool, it's only advantage is to make the intent explicit 2021-03-08T23:17:05 #kisslinux but the fundamentals are good? 2021-03-08T23:17:12 #kisslinux well, fundamentals are all I care about 2021-03-08T23:17:18 #kisslinux acheam: readability, and opens the window for optimizations. 2021-03-08T23:17:18 #kisslinux formatting can be changed later on 2021-03-08T23:17:33 #kisslinux kiedtl: how much can you optimize something like that? 2021-03-08T23:17:41 #kisslinux necromansy: I honestly don't know, I'm just parroting advice from others. I've never read K&R myself 2021-03-08T23:17:54 #kisslinux acheam: /shrug :) 2021-03-08T23:17:59 #kisslinux lol 2021-03-08T23:18:14 #kisslinux there are probably better introductions than K&R 2021-03-08T23:18:21 #kisslinux A Bulgarian friend of mine is reading K&R for his college course and he's said it's pretty decent 2021-03-08T23:18:34 #kisslinux also, use stdbool in conjunction with _Bool, acheam. (for true/false constants instead of 0 and 1) 2021-03-08T23:18:45 #kisslinux s|true/false|false/true| 2021-03-08T23:19:09 #kisslinux hmmm hthanks kiedtl 2021-03-08T23:19:15 #kisslinux eh, I like a lot of c99 stuff, but don't really care for stdbool that much, just feels unnecessary 2021-03-08T23:19:25 #kisslinux also, do I need to put "void" if my function doesn't take any arguments 2021-03-08T23:19:30 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T23:19:33 #kisslinux what would you use, though? E5ten 2021-03-08T23:19:42 #kisslinux just like an int or char or whatever and 0 and 1 2021-03-08T23:19:42 #kisslinux acheam: as the return type or in between the parens? 2021-03-08T23:19:44 #kisslinux yeah you need to explicitly type things 2021-03-08T23:19:49 #kisslinux kiedtl: between parens 2021-03-08T23:19:49 #kisslinux parens 2021-03-08T23:19:54 #kisslinux it's not necessary 2021-03-08T23:19:59 #kisslinux but you can if you want to 2021-03-08T23:20:01 #kisslinux GCC isn't complaining about it 2021-03-08T23:20:02 #kisslinux oh 2021-03-08T23:20:11 #kisslinux it is necessary for c99 2021-03-08T23:20:22 #kisslinux It is? I wasn't aware of that. 2021-03-08T23:20:23 #kisslinux which like, if you can, should be what you aim to be compatible with 2021-03-08T23:20:30 #kisslinux huh 2021-03-08T23:20:37 #kisslinux this book is probably quite decent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12475383 2021-03-08T23:20:43 #kisslinux "learn C the hard way" 2021-03-08T23:20:56 #kisslinux if you don't put void for no params, in c99 or below, it is unspecified what parameters the func takes 2021-03-08T23:21:02 #kisslinux the author is famous for his rant on ruby 2021-03-08T23:21:08 #kisslinux so like func(x, y) would be valid even though it shouldn't take parameters 2021-03-08T23:21:16 #kisslinux interesting 2021-03-08T23:21:20 #kisslinux thanks E5ten 2021-03-08T23:21:48 #kisslinux C is fun, but man is is not fun at all 2021-03-08T23:21:51 #kisslinux are you sure you need to explicitly type functions as void? 2021-03-08T23:22:27 #kisslinux do you mean return type or in between parens to indicate no parameters? 2021-03-08T23:22:35 #kisslinux Both. 2021-03-08T23:22:50 #kisslinux well obviously you need to explicitly type the function void if it doesn't return anything 2021-03-08T23:22:55 #kisslinux and for parens I just explained 2021-03-08T23:23:34 #kisslinux because out of curiosity I just wrote a hello world program whose function doesn't return anything and isn't typed, and it compiles and executes without problems. but, meh 2021-03-08T23:23:47 #kisslinux correct. musl actually uses the empty parens trick for some ugly funcs in its headers 2021-03-08T23:23:52 #kisslinux no this is like a conformance thing, not a "this will break" thing 2021-03-08T23:24:06 #kisslinux Oh, weird. GCC doesn't even spit out warnings about it 2021-03-08T23:24:16 #kisslinux re AES128, what would I do instead :thinking: 2021-03-08T23:24:16 #kisslinux what flags did you compile with? 2021-03-08T23:24:21 #kisslinux None 2021-03-08T23:24:23 #kisslinux why anything more involved lol 2021-03-08T23:24:35 #kisslinux I literally just passed gcc hw.c and ran the resulting binary 2021-03-08T23:24:36 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-08T23:25:12 #kisslinux it matters for declarations, because something can use that declaration and call the function with parameters 2021-03-08T23:25:55 #kisslinux so like e.g., function is declared (but defined elsewhere) as "int func()", now something in this other source file can call "func(x, y)" and that's not invalid 2021-03-08T23:26:59 #kisslinux Fair enough 2021-03-08T23:27:24 #kisslinux chacha20 dilyn 2021-03-08T23:27:25 #kisslinux ^_^ 2021-03-08T23:27:25 #kisslinux I just interpreted what you said originally as an immutable rule 2021-03-08T23:27:29 #kisslinux my bad 2021-03-08T23:28:32 #kisslinux https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/netslum/ 2021-03-08T23:28:48 #kisslinux i love how even almost two decades ago people were like "man the internet fucking sucks now" 2021-03-08T23:29:39 #kisslinux chacha real smooth 2021-03-08T23:32:32 #kisslinux you know what 2021-03-08T23:32:37 #kisslinux i'm gonna go set up a local ftp server 2021-03-08T23:33:15 #kisslinux i haven't done anything productive today and I think that would be enough to assuage my conscience 2021-03-08T23:34:40 #kisslinux midfavila, https://1lib.nl/book/5274724/17eb71 2021-03-08T23:35:09 #kisslinux hmmm 2021-03-08T23:35:35 #kisslinux lol i already have that book 2021-03-08T23:35:39 #kisslinux midfavila: https://newarcitea.neocities.org/ 2021-03-08T23:37:03 #kisslinux i commit readage 2021-03-08T23:37:08 #kisslinux "Transform Yourself: A Guide to Self-Improvement. Remove your genitals." 2021-03-08T23:38:01 #kisslinux LOL 2021-03-08T23:38:09 #kisslinux Fitting for today's google doodle 2021-03-08T23:42:18 #kisslinux hmmm dgre did that do it for you 2021-03-08T23:42:32 #kisslinux how so 2021-03-08T23:42:43 #kisslinux well 2021-03-08T23:44:55 #kisslinux dgre, are you the man behind the nuegia browser ? 2021-03-08T23:45:16 #kisslinux I wish :P 2021-03-08T23:45:30 #kisslinux sh4rm4^bnc: but I know the guy behind it, have you conversed with him yet? 2021-03-08T23:45:39 #kisslinux nope 2021-03-08T23:45:46 #kisslinux humm 2021-03-08T23:45:52 #kisslinux i would love to see that browser in sabotage ^_^ 2021-03-08T23:45:54 #kisslinux but i managed to get palemoon to compile from source 2021-03-08T23:46:01 #kisslinux in sabo? 2021-03-08T23:46:05 #kisslinux and use it daily 2021-03-08T23:46:08 #kisslinux yeah 2021-03-08T23:46:13 #kisslinux awesome 2021-03-08T23:46:19 #kisslinux i did see the patches 2021-03-08T23:46:29 #kisslinux i should give sabo another spin soon 2021-03-08T23:47:41 #kisslinux does the "webbrowser" author hang out on IRC ? 2021-03-08T23:48:09 #kisslinux i don't know if he is on freenode 2021-03-08T23:48:20 #kisslinux he has XMPP and email for sure 2021-03-08T23:48:30 #kisslinux tom at nuegia 2021-03-08T23:51:09 #kisslinux ok, btw your arcitea link is actually quite interesting 2021-03-08T23:51:20 #kisslinux thanks for the reading material guys 2021-03-08T23:51:29 #kisslinux for now though I have to get my modem and router to talk to each other properly 2021-03-08T23:51:36 #kisslinux will check it out later 2021-03-08T23:54:57 #kisslinux are you kidding me https://1lib.us/book/3297964/720943 i spent like $200 on this textbook :| 2021-03-08T23:55:04 #kisslinux dgre: i meant the cert lol 2021-03-08T23:55:18 #kisslinux the capitalist pigs win again 2021-03-08T23:55:18 #kisslinux oh let me take a look 2021-03-08T23:55:19 #kisslinux caddyfile documentation is... lacking... 2021-03-08T23:55:24 #kisslinux maybe next time, komrad dilyn 2021-03-08T23:55:43 #kisslinux still a sameburger 2021-03-08T23:55:48 #kisslinux i use nginx 2021-03-08T23:56:08 #kisslinux ya ne govorou pa ruskii 2021-03-08T23:56:13 #kisslinux i did this 2021-03-08T23:56:14 #kisslinux hrm. everyone loves nginx 2021-03-08T23:56:16 #kisslinux courtesy of tom 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux cat snippets/perfecttls.conf 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux ssl_protocols TLSv1.2; 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux # ssl_ciphers 'AES256+EECDH:AES256+EDH:!aNULL'; 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux ssl_ciphers 'ECDHE+CHACHA20:ECDHE+AESGCM+AES256:EDH+AESGCM+AES256:!aNULL'; 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on; 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux ssl_ecdh_curve 'X25519:secp521r1:secp384r1'; 2021-03-08T23:56:19 #kisslinux ssl_stapling on; 2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux ssl_stapling_verify on; 2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux ssl_session_tickets off; 2021-03-08T23:56:20 #kisslinux man I'm really struggling to channel the two weeks of CCNA and Net+ my college taught me 2021-03-08T23:56:21 #kisslinux ssl_session_cache off; 2021-03-08T23:56:21 #kisslinux # ssl_buffer_size 1400; #is this even need if MSS clamping is used? 2021-03-08T23:56:22 #kisslinux add_header Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=63072000; includeSubDomains; preload"; 2021-03-08T23:56:22 #kisslinux ssl_dhparam '/etc/ssl/private/dhparam.pem'; 2021-03-08T23:56:25 #kisslinux dude wtf 2021-03-08T23:56:27 #kisslinux oops 2021-03-08T23:56:28 #kisslinux 0x0.st next time 2021-03-08T23:56:29 #kisslinux multiline 2021-03-08T23:56:32 #kisslinux sorry :D 2021-03-08T23:56:33 #kisslinux lmfaoooooo 2021-03-08T23:56:37 #kisslinux xmpp does have multiline :))) 2021-03-08T23:56:39 #kisslinux tryna COMPLAIN over here 2021-03-08T23:56:47 #kisslinux come ON my man 2021-03-08T23:56:50 #kisslinux >:CCCCCCCCC 2021-03-08T23:56:51 #kisslinux Sorry bro 2021-03-08T23:56:58 #kisslinux no apologies, only gulag 2021-03-08T23:57:01 #kisslinux That is a handy config btw 2021-03-08T23:57:05 #kisslinux see caddy says you just need tls { ciphers $CIPHER } 2021-03-08T23:57:06 #kisslinux no perogi for you 2021-03-08T23:57:12 #kisslinux Ok 2021-03-08T23:57:19 #kisslinux Then give it 'ECDHE+CHACHA20:ECDHE+AESGCM+AES256:EDH+AESGCM+AES256:!aNULL' 2021-03-08T23:57:23 #kisslinux but that ain't it, so I nested it inside $domain { $stuff tls { ciphers $cipher }} 2021-03-08T23:57:41 #kisslinux If caddy is following the openssl format of course 2021-03-08T23:58:05 #kisslinux midfavila: I was told to copy an essay's worth of Visual Basic technobabble by hand on my notebook 2021-03-08T23:58:14 #kisslinux disgusting 2021-03-08T23:58:23 #kisslinux gotta turn it in tomorrow 2021-03-08T23:58:51 #kisslinux I think a Visual Basic piece of paper is more useless than paperweight 2021-03-08T23:58:56 #kisslinux it may as well just be counted as air 2021-03-08T23:59:09 #kisslinux No, air you can at least breath 2021-03-08T23:59:12 #kisslinux wait are you learning VBasic in post-secondary? 2021-03-08T23:59:17 #kisslinux No 2021-03-08T23:59:22 #kisslinux They're not even telling us to learn it 2021-03-08T23:59:25 #kisslinux Just to write this down for no reason at all 2021-03-08T23:59:28 #kisslinux . -. 2021-03-08T23:59:45 #kisslinux sounds like a boomer moment 2021-03-08T23:59:48 #kisslinux And when they made us '''learn''' SQL it was just use the graphic M$ interface 2021-03-08T23:59:56 #kisslinux This is a circa 40 year old woman teaching us midfavila gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~phoebos/logs/freenode-kisslinux-2021-03-08.txt

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