2021-03-06T00:04:48 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> dilyn: did you get my PM earlier?
2021-03-06T00:06:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> I got it :v
2021-03-06T00:06:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> busy touching some stuff
2021-03-06T00:06:49 #kisslinux * dilyn hums quiety
2021-03-06T00:11:44 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> alrighty. btw, i am on three different mobile irc clients  atm.  plus testing out znc. not sure what is working and what isn’t =P.
2021-03-06T00:12:23 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> ios sucks hard.
2021-03-06T00:19:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> mobile computing sucks
2021-03-06T00:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiedtl re: DF adventure mode
2021-03-06T00:20:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> one needs a comfy home https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/large/pictures/18/ff/18ff1a_5401254.jpg
2021-03-06T00:20:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> NPCs have garbage AI, skills develop far too slowly, weapons and armor are far too difficult to acquire in the early game, the tilesets don't properly communicate depth or any other critical aspects of the environment, etc
2021-03-06T00:21:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr it's easy to tell that the devs shoe-horned it in
2021-03-06T00:21:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> that trash can.. lmfao
2021-03-06T00:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry for the late response I pulled an all-nighter last night and promptly died all day
2021-03-06T00:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> also yes mobile computing in $YEAR is awful
2021-03-06T00:22:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it needs to die
2021-03-06T00:22:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> mcpcpc, here's a close-up https://i.imgur.com/fKkIW4I.jpg
2021-03-06T00:22:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> material design is a crime against humanity, touch interfaces are inferior in almost every way to physical ones, and the performance of the devices is irrelevant because everything is run within a botnet locked-down VM anyway so you can't even do useful shit
2021-03-06T00:23:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> like why can't I run a proper libreoffice suite on my phone
2021-03-06T00:23:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> sh4rm4^bnc: fantastic.  thank you.
2021-03-06T00:23:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-06T00:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't tell me the performance isn't there because you can root it and set up X
2021-03-06T00:23:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's ezpz
2021-03-06T00:36:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have seriously too many things in my head at once and it's killing my vibe
2021-03-06T01:02:38 #kisslinux <himmalerin> What's the process for renaming a kiss package if upstream has renamed itself? revbump and post-install pointing to the new package?
2021-03-06T01:03:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I was thinking about that earlier today wrt quazip
2021-03-06T01:04:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> ultimately I arrived at your idea - it's the simplest
2021-03-06T01:08:39 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Do you think it's worth blanking the sources/build files as well?
2021-03-06T01:10:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> It would certainly motivate confused users to pay closer attention to post-install scripts
2021-03-06T01:11:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> but no, I don't think so; we don't just want to effectively delete their package. that could be bad
2021-03-06T01:13:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> Actually, couldn't we just symlink it to the package with the new name with a post-install...
2021-03-06T01:17:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm no i think i just like notifying them more
2021-03-06T01:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> my git mirror is up! https://git.armaanb.net/
2021-03-06T01:22:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lmk if you want me to mirror a repo of yours
2021-03-06T01:25:33 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dilyn: got it, thanks!
2021-03-06T01:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> teach me your ways acheam
2021-03-06T01:29:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> himmalerin: for sure! we can always play it by ear if it goes horribly wrong
2021-03-06T01:35:20 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  https://git.armaanb.net/scripts/file/git-mirror.html
2021-03-06T01:41:00 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, dylan
2021-03-06T01:41:02 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/uyZhTG7.png
2021-03-06T01:41:09 #kisslinux <acheam> my favorite is "?"
2021-03-06T01:49:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> so very cryptic
2021-03-06T02:03:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> UsE uSeFuL cOmMiT mEsSaGeS
2021-03-06T02:04:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> commit messages are bloat
2021-03-06T02:05:11 #kisslinux <himmalerin> first update in about three months was successful
2021-03-06T02:05:14 #kisslinux <acheam> git config --global commit.default_message "."
2021-03-06T02:05:31 #kisslinux <himmalerin> also got firefox working again under wayland which is nice
2021-03-06T02:05:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> i couldnt do it
2021-03-06T02:05:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> ended up going back to x
2021-03-06T02:05:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> lol
2021-03-06T02:06:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> good
2021-03-06T02:06:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its a fake key lol
2021-03-06T02:06:25 #kisslinux <acheam> s/key/setting/
2021-03-06T02:06:26 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> its a fake setting lol
2021-03-06T02:09:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice!
2021-03-06T02:09:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> am I braindamaged? how do I update the wiki submodule in the website repo
2021-03-06T02:10:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't I just cd site/wiki git fetch bla cd ../ git add wiki git commit -m blabla cd ../ ./make git add docs/ git commit -m blablahaha ???
2021-03-06T02:11:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I think it has to be done with the "git submodule" command
2021-03-06T02:13:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so git submodule update; ./make; git add docs/wiki, except for some reason it's generated *as* a submodule in docs?
2021-03-06T02:13:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> i guess just... delete the .git folder?? this seems so unclean
2021-03-06T02:18:11 #kisslinux <acheam> lol dont do that
2021-03-06T02:18:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-06T02:18:29 #kisslinux <acheam> let me take a look at my local copy
2021-03-06T02:19:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean whatever was done on the previous update to change the urls worked perfectly and I'm just dumb
2021-03-06T02:20:12 #kisslinux <acheam> its "git submodule update --recursive --remote" then "./make", then "git add .", then "git commit -m 'update'"
2021-03-06T02:21:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> was confused; should probably init the submodules first eh >>>
2021-03-06T02:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-03-06T02:22:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> was wondering why the repo was clean smh
2021-03-06T02:22:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> here's hopin
2021-03-06T02:23:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah the commit looks perfecto
2021-03-06T02:23:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> to clarify: I am a worry wart and git yelled at me because I 'included a submodule' and wanted to teach me how they work. dumb git
2021-03-06T03:18:12 #kisslinux <CoreFour> The KISS IRC is so active
2021-03-06T03:20:33 #kisslinux <acheam> because its never on topic :)
2021-03-06T03:21:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> because there's not much to talk about in regards to the topic lmao
2021-03-06T03:22:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> the topic is potpourri
2021-03-06T03:33:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> re logs, stagit is nice, there's also a fork by someone which does syntax highlighting with a python pygments script + other stuff
2021-03-06T03:35:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> though the script is pretty slow
2021-03-06T03:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >python
2021-03-06T03:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >slow
2021-03-06T03:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> why i never
2021-03-06T03:35:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: true, now that I think back I remember NPCs were utter trash. Armor is easy to acquire though, just choose 'demigod' when setting up and harvest your local kobold club
2021-03-06T03:36:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay but like
2021-03-06T03:36:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-03-06T03:36:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what do I know
2021-03-06T03:36:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's more of a workaround
2021-03-06T03:36:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I played, maybe ~8 hours? I'm not experienced at all lol
2021-03-06T03:36:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've not played a ton of advent mode either but I've got a lot of time in roguelike RPGs
2021-03-06T03:37:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's not good game balance to prevent players, even in the worst cases, from having access to basic equipment
2021-03-06T03:37:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> first game ended when I failed to realize that the '*' in maps does not always connotate a friendly entity, and I ran into a pack of undead dwarfs without even copper leggings lol
2021-03-06T03:37:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ouch.
2021-03-06T03:37:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> one thing I'd like to see is the age of your dwarf/character correlate to starting stats and skillpoints
2021-03-06T03:38:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah
2021-03-06T03:38:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> so if you're a young adult you get relatively few points, but have higher stats
2021-03-06T03:38:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if you're an ancient sage you start with lower stats, but plenty of skills
2021-03-06T03:38:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What you said about shoehorning is true, the whole advent mode is really underveloped
2021-03-06T03:38:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> mhm
2021-03-06T03:38:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's my main problem with it
2021-03-06T03:39:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't blame them because it's not the main focus
2021-03-06T03:39:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also it doesn't work with stonesense
2021-03-06T03:49:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I ended up on stagit... I'll look for that fork, testuser_[m]
2021-03-06T03:49:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I use pygments for my personal website its really nice
2021-03-06T03:50:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://git.knutsen.co/stagit/
2021-03-06T03:50:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i have taken the relevant commits and made a patch which you can find in my repo
2021-03-06T06:54:22 #kisslinux <travankor> testuser_[m]: is that your repo?
2021-03-06T06:54:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no, i mean i took the commits from that forked repo and added a patch to my personal kiss repo
2021-03-06T06:55:29 #kisslinux <travankor> oooh, i thought that was your website :)
2021-03-06T06:56:48 #kisslinux <travankor> so, stagit is the cgit but more suckless
2021-03-06T06:58:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-06T08:11:40 #kisslinux <travankor> s/the/like/
2021-03-06T08:11:41 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> so, stagit is like cgit but more suckless
2021-03-06T08:12:12 #kisslinux <travankor> was in my buffer but forgot to send
2021-03-06T14:31:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kiedtl, midfavila : i have here a couple DF for musl versions packaged http://ftp.barfooze.de/pub/sabotage/bin/
2021-03-06T14:32:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the mayday versions use the mayday tileset
2021-03-06T14:34:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i might check it out sometime
2021-03-06T14:34:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> looks like this https://afteractionreporter.com/2009/02/09/the-complete-and-utter-newby-tutorial-for-dwarf-fortress-part-1-wtf/
2021-03-06T15:11:18 #kisslinux <acheam> travankor: suckless.org uses it, so it passes their suckless standards, at least!
2021-03-06T16:12:52 #kisslinux <acheam> sould we rename kiss-graveyard to repo-graveyard?
2021-03-06T16:13:33 #kisslinux <acheam> there would still be a redirect from the old url to the new one so it wouldn't affect anything that way, just make it fit the existing repo-* pattern
2021-03-06T16:35:04 #kisslinux <acheam> also, should we add a git commit bot to this channel, or would that be annoying>
2021-03-06T16:35:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> ein ze commit bot
2021-03-06T16:36:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I suppose we could rename it
2021-03-06T16:36:53 #kisslinux <acheam> non germanicus sum
2021-03-06T16:44:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish FVWM could emulate NeXT more accurately
2021-03-06T16:44:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course, there's AfterStep, but... that doesn't really, uh. work
2021-03-06T16:44:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's next
2021-03-06T16:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> the OS macOS is based on
2021-03-06T16:44:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> surprisingly it's not complete garbage
2021-03-06T16:44:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and in fact it's actually quite nice
2021-03-06T16:45:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-06T16:45:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeXTSTEP
2021-03-06T16:45:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's windowmanager, which emulates the desktop of it very well, but it lacks the flexibility of FVWM
2021-03-06T16:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> now, the next time someone says macOS is based on BSD, you too can absolutely destroy them with facts and logic
2021-03-06T16:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, isn't the userland still heavily pulled from the BSDs?
2021-03-06T16:59:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but if I smack the BSD tools onto linux, that doesn't make it "based on BSD"
2021-03-06T17:00:23 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-03-06T17:01:11 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-06T17:05:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I always thought MacOS was unix-based with dumb design decisions stolen from *BSD
2021-03-06T17:06:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> nextstep is a UNIX
2021-03-06T17:06:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> is this not the canonical understanding of the monster Apple created
2021-03-06T17:06:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2021-03-06T17:06:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> tldr
2021-03-06T17:06:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the 80s when apple btfo'd jobs he went off across the street and founded nextstep
2021-03-06T17:06:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the 90s because system nine was such a trashfire they bought nextstep instead of Be and jobs joined the company again
2021-03-06T17:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> the next version of macOS, 10, was rebased on next
2021-03-06T17:07:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> which itself is based on system five
2021-03-06T17:07:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> as well as mach, the microkernel developed at carnegie-mellon
2021-03-06T17:07:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> some utilities from freebsd were also included, such as the core userspace, some filesystem utilities, and networking code
2021-03-06T17:08:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> this core became darwin
2021-03-06T17:08:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is what all the shit apple makes is built atop
2021-03-06T17:13:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> and to think i used OSX for five years s m h
2021-03-06T17:23:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i fucking LOVE how git doesn't push empty directories
2021-03-06T17:23:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> like if they're there they're there for a reason
2021-03-06T17:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> god
2021-03-06T17:26:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> put a text file inside that says
2021-03-06T17:26:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> "this file intentionally left empty"
2021-03-06T17:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just put an empty file called dummy
2021-03-06T17:26:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta preserve the file tree's structure without distributing copyright materials because fuck me i guess
2021-03-06T17:31:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> make a .keep file
2021-03-06T17:31:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but some people call it .gitkeep which makes you think its a git feature
2021-03-06T17:36:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> .stub
2021-03-06T19:11:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> Are you guys having trouble with the tcl package in community? Fails for me with install: open  t: No such file or directory
2021-03-06T19:23:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> builds fine for me (note tcl is in the graveyard)
2021-03-06T19:23:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> which install are you using? busybox's?
2021-03-06T19:24:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> Suckless.
2021-03-06T19:24:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> does suckless install support -t?
2021-03-06T19:24:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> according to man, yes
2021-03-06T19:24:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> looks like it's trying to open -t *as* the file
2021-03-06T19:26:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> shouldn't the dest and src be reversed when using -t
2021-03-06T19:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly not sure, will check in a moment
2021-03-06T19:28:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> suckless tools are picky about where flags are placed, similar to BSD stuff
2021-03-06T19:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm gonna try after adjusting the build file
2021-03-06T19:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah looks like it
2021-03-06T19:29:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently it's not a standardized utility. boo
2021-03-06T19:30:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> suckless tools don't care about conformity :v
2021-03-06T19:30:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find it's the opposite
2021-03-06T19:30:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> they care so much about conforming to the bare minimum of POSIX that they leave out widely-used features to their detriment
2021-03-06T19:31:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> mind, that's the whole point
2021-03-06T19:31:18 #kisslinux <acheam> sed -i?
2021-03-06T19:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's a poor reflection on other devs when their stuff isn't portable, not on suckless
2021-03-06T19:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's annoying
2021-03-06T19:31:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't believe suckless sed has -i
2021-03-06T19:31:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it does not
2021-03-06T19:32:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's why I use a standalone sed
2021-03-06T19:35:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, it just needed the syntax fixed
2021-03-06T19:37:21 #kisslinux <acheam> would the fixed syntax work on other install implementations?
2021-03-06T19:37:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably, considering suckless is the most anal about conformance to spec
2021-03-06T19:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never had something that works with suckless break with GNU/BSD/bbox/tbox/etc
2021-03-06T19:37:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> only the other way around
2021-03-06T19:38:02 #kisslinux <acheam> you might want to patch it in kiss-graveyard
2021-03-06T19:38:09 #kisslinux <acheam> so that if it comes back, its in good shape
2021-03-06T19:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah but that requires using github
2021-03-06T19:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is
2021-03-06T19:38:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-06T19:38:47 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  Dylan had a policy about emailing patches in for those who don't like GH. Is yours the same?
2021-03-06T19:44:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> -i is bae ?=|
2021-03-06T19:45:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> Always! submit patches however you'd like
2021-03-06T19:45:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you find my phone number you can call me and read me the patch :v
2021-03-06T19:45:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't do that tho pls phone calls give me anxiety and i'm hard of hearing
2021-03-06T19:46:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> calling you rn
2021-03-06T19:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> get your pen and paper
2021-03-06T20:03:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Wonder if FVWM will ever switch to something like FLTK or Tk
2021-03-06T20:03:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think I'd be fine with that.
2021-03-06T20:06:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> pls no omg :'(
2021-03-06T20:07:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> git mirrors? surprisingly easy to setup ngl
2021-03-06T20:07:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> dialing the number
2021-03-06T20:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh, http://git.k1sslinux.org/
2021-03-06T20:10:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> nani
2021-03-06T20:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ssl dorifto?
2021-03-06T20:10:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but muh encryption dilyn
2021-03-06T20:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> what is this
2021-03-06T20:11:20 #kisslinux <acheam> boycotting kiss.
2021-03-06T20:11:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> if the new website is up i should totally submit a screenshot
2021-03-06T20:16:51 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  are you using my script?
2021-03-06T20:23:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> ah. nice.  so is k1sslinux.org the official domain?
2021-03-06T20:23:51 #kisslinux <dgre> So how did the k1ss.org auction go?
2021-03-06T20:26:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey don't do that
2021-03-06T20:26:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao it's not ready yet! i'm just testing with busybox httpd smh
2021-03-06T20:26:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: no but I did peak at it
2021-03-06T20:27:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm using your favicon tho c:
2021-03-06T20:27:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> I dont' think the k1ss.org auction has happened yet
2021-03-06T20:27:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:  wasn't my favicon :) Same one that was on k1ss.org, I just scaled it up
2021-03-06T20:27:38 #kisslinux <acheam> also, still boycotted
2021-03-06T20:28:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I haven't setup a server since 2008 when I wanted to be able to stream my music, and back then I just used a shitty jukebox thing
2021-03-06T20:28:52 #kisslinux <acheam> boy.cot.ted
2021-03-06T20:28:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-06T20:28:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> bye ho
2021-03-06T20:30:29 #kisslinux <dgre> » [16:26:38] <dilyn> lmao it's not ready yet! i'm just testing with busybox httpd smh
2021-03-06T20:30:29 #kisslinux <dgre> muh busybox
2021-03-06T20:30:36 #kisslinux <dgre> I was expecting quark =(
2021-03-06T20:30:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> python -m SimpleHTTPServer
2021-03-06T20:31:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using darkhttpd
2021-03-06T20:31:19 #kisslinux <dgre> I use bozohttpd in my LAN lol
2021-03-06T20:31:24 #kisslinux <acheam> caddy server >>>
2021-03-06T20:31:30 #kisslinux <dgre> Yuck, caddy
2021-03-06T20:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use uhttpd because it's what's installed on openWRT by default
2021-03-06T20:31:36 #kisslinux <dgre> » [16:31:19] <dgre> I use bozohttpd in my LAN lol
2021-03-06T20:31:36 #kisslinux <dgre> Because of tilde pages
2021-03-06T20:31:40 #kisslinux <dgre> Otherwise, I would use darkhttpd
2021-03-06T20:31:45 #kisslinux <dgre> Or, well, quark
2021-03-06T20:32:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> give me a break lads I spun up a linode and put KISS on it in two minutes I didn't have time to consider SeCuRiTy
2021-03-06T20:32:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> muh security
2021-03-06T20:32:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but think of all the top secret dox you have on there dilyn
2021-03-06T20:32:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> we need securidee
2021-03-06T20:32:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have exactly my ssh publickey. Copy it to your machine and send me the IP dog
2021-03-06T20:35:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-06T20:37:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay everyone so yes we have a new website/domain blablabla
2021-03-06T20:37:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org hooray huzzah yay still hosted on GitHub pages woohoo
2021-03-06T20:38:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> As far as k1ss.org goes, I also think it should be acquired. It would be good to have as a backup(womp), and also people will probably find a link referencing k1ss.org somewhere in the world wide interwebs so it would be a fun redirect or something
2021-03-06T20:38:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> or someone can buy it, for KISS, and shit on our dreams! fun.
2021-03-06T20:38:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> And I'm also working on a mirror of the repositories, but obviously don't use it because I'm literally brain damaged! Just look, no touch :)
2021-03-06T20:41:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe one day *cough* there will be a *cough cough* fossil mirror
2021-03-06T20:51:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> k1ss.org has 1K+ backlinks.  better than i thought.  ale
2021-03-06T20:54:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lord
2021-03-06T20:54:56 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> huh. ahrefs says 2.2K.
2021-03-06T20:55:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's so many
2021-03-06T20:55:56 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> will have to update the wiki page ^^.  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life
2021-03-06T20:56:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> if we do that then it becomes real
2021-03-06T20:56:37 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> sure
2021-03-06T20:56:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-06T21:00:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> actually, it’s a surprising a mount of traffic from just that one page. lol.  *shrug*
2021-03-06T21:00:24 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> but i guess that’s wikipedia for you
2021-03-06T21:00:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I know the first time I saw that page I clicked on most of the projects just to peak
2021-03-06T21:00:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I'm not surprised
2021-03-06T21:04:35 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> makes sense. i am not familiar with this one: https://static.lwn.net/Distributions/   we made the “leading distribution” list ^^
2021-03-06T21:07:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> err disregard. categorized under “general purpose”.
2021-03-06T21:08:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Some prior knowledge of Linux... is required"
2021-03-06T21:08:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> Some? kekw
2021-03-06T21:09:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> lol.
2021-03-06T21:17:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> acheam: btw, your  znc services and decided to go the self-hosting route.  was surprisingly easy to setup (10-15min, including fiddling with configuration).
2021-03-06T21:17:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc>  fuq. that was a mistake. to send. lol.
2021-03-06T21:18:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> anyway. in summary… znc is neat. https://45.33.78.60:9999
2021-03-06T21:18:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice, no more [m]
2021-03-06T21:19:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> yup :)
2021-03-06T21:19:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i've actually switched from using ZNC, I just use weechat in SSH and a weechat relay
2021-03-06T21:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> no more middleman
2021-03-06T21:20:08 #kisslinux <acheam> (even if that middleman is myself)
2021-03-06T21:21:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> nice. yeah… i hate the middleman.  but i’m not a fan of weechat (hence, me developing kirc).  so a relay bounce seems like best option for me. =2021-03-06T21:22:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah i'm not huge on weechat either, but it has a nice vi-mode plugin, and does everything I need
2021-03-06T21:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> it is super complex though
2021-03-06T21:22:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> this also means i can use kirc
2021-03-06T21:22:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> full time
2021-03-06T21:22:25 #kisslinux <acheam> kind of the emacs of irc clients
2021-03-06T21:22:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> yeah.
2021-03-06T21:22:34 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-06T23:14:17 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> kirc+ssh+tm on mobile also feels pretty natural.   https://pasteboard.co/JRqkLvH.png  eliminates the middleman.  but scrollback is a pita (at least in screen).  hmm…
2021-03-06T23:26:50 #kisslinux <acheam> nice, i've never really tried ssh or anything from my phone, although you are clearly a pro at it
2021-03-06T23:27:06 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm working on a fork of the fork of stagit that came up earlier here: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/stagit
2021-03-06T23:27:33 #kisslinux <acheam> just going to be adding some small features like automatically copying the css, grouping the index by owner, etc
2021-03-06T23:35:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_kirc> oh. nice. i've been meaning to checkout stagit for quite some time.
2021-03-06T23:40:34 #kisslinux <acheam> a C question for all you C devs out there: how bad is it to call "system("cp foo bar")" from a C program? seems like a lot less effort than rewriting cp in my own program, but not sure how bad form it is
2021-03-06T23:54:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doing that is... not good
2021-03-06T23:54:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> At that point you may want to try to wrap up the C stuff into a separate program and invoke it from a shellscript.
2021-03-06T23:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, its 2 calls to cp in a 1200 line program
2021-03-06T23:55:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's considered pretty bad form
2021-03-06T23:55:35 #kisslinux <acheam> is there any decent alternative between a shellscript wrapper and system()
2021-03-06T23:55:37 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-03-06T23:55:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean its up to you whether to care about form or not
2021-03-06T23:56:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> only thing I can think of is just coding cp's functionality yourself
2021-03-06T23:56:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I don't think it'd be that hard
2021-03-06T23:56:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like, maybe, 30ish loc?
2021-03-06T23:56:33 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, its not incredibly important, but I would like my programs to have good form
2021-03-06T23:56:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thats not that bad
2021-03-06T23:56:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: you could also borrow some code from libutil (see the source for suckless sbase)
2021-03-06T23:58:18 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, will do!
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