2021-02-22T00:00:11 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> dgre: idk man. I built it just fine with your CFLAGS as well
2021-02-22T00:04:47 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  BTW, the (c) isn't an actual copyright symbol. You need to write "copyright" at the start of the sentence
2021-02-22T00:05:08 #kisslinux <acheam> the copyright unicode symbol or (c) is optional and not legally binding
2021-02-22T00:05:46 #kisslinux <acheam> you also might want to modify the dylan copyright year to just 2019-2020, because he hasn't been around at all this year
2021-02-22T00:05:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> incidentally, a reasons to release a new rootfs: update the offline wiki (especially with all the pages indexed)
2021-02-22T00:05:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> also to change the support info in `/etc/os-release`, but no one reads that
2021-02-22T00:25:08 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i copied it from the original footer i think.  but will take a look in a bit
2021-02-22T00:26:21 #kisslinux <acheam> its not a high priority thing, mcpcpc[m]
2021-02-22T00:33:47 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1:  I just PRed a fix to repo-main
2021-02-22T00:34:01 #kisslinux <acheam> it won't be there on new installs, but you should get an update for it soon
2021-02-22T00:34:11 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for pointing it out
2021-02-22T00:36:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Releasing an update to the wiki would be fantastic
2021-02-22T00:36:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I should dive into the wiki and work on it
2021-02-22T00:36:36 #kisslinux <acheam> what kind of updates do you want to see?
2021-02-22T00:36:47 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I imagine those weekend articles are still hiding...
2021-02-22T00:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]1:  nothings changed in the wiki yet
2021-02-22T00:36:52 #kisslinux <acheam> https://blogs.gentoo.org/mgorny/2021/02/19/the-modern-packagers-security-nightmare/
2021-02-22T00:37:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s/weekend/wayland/
2021-02-22T00:37:07 #kisslinux <kissbot> <DilynCorner[m]> I imagine those wayland articles are still hiding...
2021-02-22T00:37:21 #kisslinux <acheam> wayland on the weekend
2021-02-22T00:37:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And every day in between
2021-02-22T00:38:53 #kisslinux <acheam> Its an xorg life, for us!
2021-02-22T00:40:31 #kisslinux <konimex> <DilynCorner[m] "(also konimex: can we change the"> we can certainly do the latter
2021-02-22T00:40:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Perfecto
2021-02-22T00:43:21 #kisslinux <konimex> <DilynCorner[m] "I mean the distribution was desi"> Firefox was chosen because it was the first one to work, basically a "race" between Dylan and me of which builds first, if Chromium built first we'd go with that instead
2021-02-22T00:46:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Gotta love it
2021-02-22T00:58:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: footer fixed.
2021-02-22T00:59:20 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-02-22T00:59:45 #kisslinux <acheam> can you add ISO-8601 date format to the contribution guidelines?
2021-02-22T01:00:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it wasn't dylan's favorite, but I think its the best choice
2021-02-22T01:00:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure
2021-02-22T01:26:08 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> acheam: just thinking all the wiki links to the old `$/kisslinux/repo` need to be changed to `$/kiss-community/repo-main`, the repo name is different too
2021-02-22T01:26:27 #kisslinux <acheam> it redirects
2021-02-22T01:26:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> oh that's nice
2021-02-22T01:26:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> carry on
2021-02-22T01:27:02 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-02-22T01:27:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Would it be worth having a new gpg key
2021-02-22T01:27:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> Idk anything about them really
2021-02-22T01:28:08 #kisslinux <acheam> well without Dylan's private key, we can't do much with it
2021-02-22T01:28:48 #kisslinux <acheam> the next BDFL should verify their commits though
2021-02-22T01:28:58 #kisslinux <acheam> s/verify/sign
2021-02-22T01:28:59 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> the next BDFL should sign their commits though
2021-02-22T01:29:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]1> right ofc
2021-02-22T01:45:53 #kisslinux <acheam> is it time we ask freenode staff to get back this channel?
2021-02-22T01:46:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the topic could do with an update...
2021-02-22T01:46:31 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> indeed
2021-02-22T01:49:39 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd ask about that on #freenode?
2021-02-22T01:49:49 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I'm asking now
2021-02-22T01:50:12 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-02-22T01:52:36 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  how do you look that up?
2021-02-22T01:53:14 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: I was just going to ask here :P
2021-02-22T01:53:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lolol
2021-02-22T01:53:33 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> But considering Dylan's past actions I'd suspect he was the sole GC
2021-02-22T01:53:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-02-22T01:53:41 #kisslinux <acheam> i think thats a fair bet
2021-02-22T01:53:41 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> you know, one bdfl to rule em all
2021-02-22T01:53:50 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> But let me check to be safe
2021-02-22T01:54:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but... how do you check?
2021-02-22T01:54:47 #kisslinux <vulpine> kiedtlx1b: huh dylan dissapeared?
2021-02-22T01:54:50 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I'm pking over the website
2021-02-22T01:54:56 #kisslinux <acheam> vulpine:  yes
2021-02-22T01:55:01 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> vulpine: Yes, for the past 4ish months
2021-02-22T01:55:04 #kisslinux <dgre> Still compiling LLVM
2021-02-22T01:55:10 #kisslinux <dgre> It's taking FOREVER!!!!
2021-02-22T01:55:14 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> off, LLVM.
2021-02-22T01:55:17 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> *oof
2021-02-22T01:55:19 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre: does compiling LLVM ever end?
2021-02-22T01:55:38 #kisslinux <dgre> I started compilation at around 19:15
2021-02-22T01:55:44 #kisslinux <dgre> It's almost 22:00 now
2021-02-22T01:55:49 #kisslinux <dgre> And it's at 49%
2021-02-22T01:56:00 #kisslinux <dgre> Probably done at after midnight, oh my God
2021-02-22T02:02:32 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  can you send the email?
2021-02-22T02:02:38 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Sure
2021-02-22T02:02:53 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I wonder whether they'll ask for some kind of group consensus...?
2021-02-22T02:03:00 #kisslinux <acheam> we can provide that i'm sure
2021-02-22T02:03:13 #kisslinux <acheam> we can show them the BDFL form
2021-02-22T02:03:17 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty strong consensus there
2021-02-22T02:03:20 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> ehhh
2021-02-22T02:03:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it wont be an ussue
2021-02-22T02:03:30 #kisslinux <acheam> issue
2021-02-22T02:03:38 #kisslinux <acheam> we have universla interest in getting the channel back
2021-02-22T02:03:52 #kisslinux <acheam> even if its just to change the topic
2021-02-22T02:04:04 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I think getting a nod from those who are most active in the community repos would be better than showing them the BDFL form
2021-02-22T02:04:11 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah sure
2021-02-22T02:04:15 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> but, we'll see when it happens
2021-02-22T02:04:28 #kisslinux <acheam> we'll be able to provide it, whatever they want
2021-02-22T02:04:36 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I think I'll send the email tomorrow, btw. It's getting late here
2021-02-22T02:05:07 #kisslinux <acheam> could you ask for a group contact, or multiple ops? Like both me and you, just so that we're not stuck in this situation again
2021-02-22T02:05:09 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds good
2021-02-22T02:05:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Yup
2021-02-22T02:05:46 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Once the BDFL is selected I intend to transfer ownership of the group to the BDFL, and have the secondary contact made either you or dilyn
2021-02-22T02:06:28 #kisslinux <acheam> great
2021-02-22T02:06:40 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn might not be the best option if they stay on matrix though
2021-02-22T02:07:04 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Oh
2021-02-22T02:07:08 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> right
2021-02-22T02:07:30 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> but then again, giving them op is a good way to pressure them to switch back to the One True Chat and renounce their heresy
2021-02-22T02:07:42 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> DilynCorner[m]: amirite?
2021-02-22T02:07:57 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf, I'm sure you can operate chanserv and stuff from matrix
2021-02-22T02:08:05 #kisslinux <acheam> but still, heresy
2021-02-22T02:08:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Switching to matrix *in #kisslinux* is madness
2021-02-22T02:08:39 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I mean, matrix is anything but KISS, heh
2021-02-22T02:09:10 #kisslinux <dgre> I'll say something
2021-02-22T02:09:20 #kisslinux <dgre> XMPP may not be SO simple
2021-02-22T02:09:24 #kisslinux <acheam> NO
2021-02-22T02:09:28 #kisslinux <acheam> stop
2021-02-22T02:09:31 #kisslinux <dgre> Buuuut
2021-02-22T02:09:34 #kisslinux <dgre> It federates :D
2021-02-22T02:09:35 #kisslinux <acheam> don't continue
2021-02-22T02:09:52 #kisslinux <dgre> It's better than ddiiiscooor
2021-02-22T02:09:54 #kisslinux <dgre> d
2021-02-22T02:09:57 #kisslinux <dgre> and better than maaatrix
2021-02-22T02:10:00 #kisslinux <dgre> and teeelergram
2021-02-22T02:10:01 #kisslinux <dgre> djsakdwd
2021-02-22T02:10:03 #kisslinux <dgre> you know?
2021-02-22T02:10:09 #kisslinux <dgre> which I guess doesn't say much
2021-02-22T02:10:10 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're using Discord and telegram in your argument, you already lost
2021-02-22T02:10:20 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> ^^
2021-02-22T02:10:21 #kisslinux <dgre> yes
2021-02-22T02:10:26 #kisslinux <dgre> it doesn't say much ^_^
2021-02-22T02:10:29 #kisslinux <dgre> but I mean
2021-02-22T02:10:42 #kisslinux <dgre> it federates
2021-02-22T02:10:45 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao matrix seems fine
2021-02-22T02:10:49 #kisslinux <dgre> you can use PGP
2021-02-22T02:10:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ... irc is federated too
2021-02-22T02:10:56 #kisslinux <dgre> irc federation???
2021-02-22T02:10:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> We can make our matrix server
2021-02-22T02:10:57 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> but guis it fedewatedes!!!
2021-02-22T02:10:59 #kisslinux <dgre> ???????????really???
2021-02-22T02:11:04 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: what
2021-02-22T02:11:04 #kisslinux <acheam> we're not using pgp on this chate
2021-02-22T02:11:05 #kisslinux <dgre> like email
2021-02-22T02:11:18 #kisslinux <dgre> for public chatrooms e2ee makes no sense anyway
2021-02-22T02:11:21 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't irc count as federated? I guess to a lesser degree than XMPP
2021-02-22T02:11:30 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> ...that's not federation
2021-02-22T02:11:34 #kisslinux <dgre> it's not
2021-02-22T02:11:35 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> that's
2021-02-22T02:11:37 #kisslinux <dgre> federation is like email
2021-02-22T02:11:37 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> like
2021-02-22T02:11:42 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> splitting the load over multiple servers
2021-02-22T02:11:45 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> that's what irc does
2021-02-22T02:11:46 #kisslinux <dgre> user⊙dt
2021-02-22T02:11:49 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> not federation though
2021-02-22T02:11:57 #kisslinux <acheam> got it
2021-02-22T02:11:58 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> yeah, what dgre said
2021-02-22T02:12:35 #kisslinux <dgre> i mean like
2021-02-22T02:12:45 #kisslinux <dgre> don't hate on XML so much just going by what cat-v said about it
2021-02-22T02:12:51 #kisslinux <dgre> XMPP*
2021-02-22T02:12:54 #kisslinux <dgre> XML too I guess
2021-02-22T02:12:54 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> DilynCorner[m]: Repeat that counterrevolutionary ideas again and I swear I will ban you
2021-02-22T02:12:57 #kisslinux <dgre> give XMPP a try
2021-02-22T02:13:12 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> s/that/those/
2021-02-22T02:13:13 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtlx1b> DilynCorner[m]: Repeat those counterrevolutionary ideas again and I swear I will ban you
2021-02-22T02:13:36 #kisslinux <dgre> it's properly standardized
2021-02-22T02:13:41 #kisslinux <dgre> ^_^
2021-02-22T02:13:44 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> IRC is
2021-02-22T02:13:46 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> well
2021-02-22T02:13:48 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> somewhat
2021-02-22T02:13:51 #kisslinux <dgre> quote on quote
2021-02-22T02:14:01 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> yeah
2021-02-22T02:14:14 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> kinda sad how each ircd has their own quirks and special commands
2021-02-22T02:14:26 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> and unique channel modes, and services, etc
2021-02-22T02:14:39 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> XMPP has a definite advantage over irc there
2021-02-22T02:15:18 #kisslinux <dgre> obviously it has its shortcomings
2021-02-22T02:15:24 #kisslinux <dgre> and I don't dislike IRC either
2021-02-22T02:15:40 #kisslinux <konimex> dgre: 49%? you better change your CMAKE_GENERATOR to Ninja, at least it shows how many files are compiling
2021-02-22T02:16:10 #kisslinux <konimex> IRC is decentralized, but definitely not federated
2021-02-22T02:16:10 #kisslinux <dgre> but for an IM network, it's the best option
2021-02-22T02:16:13 #kisslinux <dgre> well konimex
2021-02-22T02:16:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I feel like I've been using irc longer than most of you xD
2021-02-22T02:16:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I DESERVE THIS
2021-02-22T02:16:39 #kisslinux <dgre> i'm already at 52%
2021-02-22T02:16:41 #kisslinux <dgre> for how long dilyn?
2021-02-22T02:16:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm
2021-02-22T02:16:52 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> What year is it jesus
2021-02-22T02:16:57 #kisslinux <dgre> oh go
2021-02-22T02:16:58 #kisslinux <dgre> d
2021-02-22T02:17:00 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mid 2000s I guess
2021-02-22T02:17:06 #kisslinux <dgre> nice
2021-02-22T02:17:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I'm an old
2021-02-22T02:17:12 #kisslinux <dgre> I think I first used it in 2014
2021-02-22T02:17:17 #kisslinux <acheam> welp that's about his long I've been alive
2021-02-22T02:17:22 #kisslinux <konimex> I guess you were on either of the big 4 before now (freenode)?
2021-02-22T02:17:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I've been using IRC for exactly one year
2021-02-22T02:17:24 #kisslinux <dgre> on Rizon
2021-02-22T02:17:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmfaooooo
2021-02-22T02:17:30 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> lollol acheam
2021-02-22T02:17:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I'll be dead soon don't worry
2021-02-22T02:17:37 #kisslinux <dgre> NOOO
2021-02-22T02:17:42 #kisslinux <dgre> Well, soon for sure
2021-02-22T02:17:49 #kisslinux <dgre> I can relate
2021-02-22T02:18:06 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm sure everyone here does
2021-02-22T02:18:09 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> wait
2021-02-22T02:18:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lots of self hosted stuff, mostly just small channels
2021-02-22T02:18:22 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: were you referring to what DilynCorner[m] or dgre said?
2021-02-22T02:18:49 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> What am I saying, you're obviously not six
2021-02-22T02:18:50 #kisslinux <dgre> I don't think someone 6-7 years old can go on IRC and talk coherently
2021-02-22T02:18:51 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> ignore me
2021-02-22T02:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b: what dylin said. I'm young but I'm not  that young lol
2021-02-22T02:19:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Oh Jesus
2021-02-22T02:19:10 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I'm dumb
2021-02-22T02:19:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> We would have to ban you if you were
2021-02-22T02:19:50 #kisslinux <konimex> there was a 4-year-old kernel contributor so using IRC at 6 is possible
2021-02-22T02:20:12 #kisslinux <acheam> what
2021-02-22T02:20:18 #kisslinux <dgre> ??????
2021-02-22T02:20:20 #kisslinux <konimex> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=690b0543a813b0ecfc51b0374c0ce6c8275435f0
2021-02-22T02:20:37 #kisslinux <dgre> What do you even contribute?
2021-02-22T02:20:39 #kisslinux <dgre> at that age?
2021-02-22T02:20:51 #kisslinux <konimex> a single dash, apparently
2021-02-22T02:20:55 #kisslinux <konimex> s/dash/hyphen
2021-02-22T02:20:55 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> lol
2021-02-22T02:20:56 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> a single hyphen, apparently
2021-02-22T02:20:58 #kisslinux <dgre> HAHAHA
2021-02-22T02:20:58 #kisslinux <dgre> NO WAY
2021-02-22T02:21:03 #kisslinux <dgre> INCREDIBLE
2021-02-22T02:21:13 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> indoctrination began at an early age, wow
2021-02-22T02:21:25 #kisslinux <acheam> well that's a fun fact for that kid to brag about
2021-02-22T02:21:44 #kisslinux <konimex> one hell of a resume if she goes IT that's for sure
2021-02-22T02:21:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Why couldn't I be that cool at 4 wtf
2021-02-22T02:22:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> 'longtime contributor to the Linux kernel'
2021-02-22T02:22:33 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> I'd like to meet that 10-year-old, heh
2021-02-22T02:22:43 #kisslinux <acheam> *interviewer looks up from resume* this is a mistake right?
2021-02-22T02:45:33 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: sorry for the bombardment of questions, but what's your plan RE: the blog
2021-02-22T02:48:08 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: no worries.  will add it probably tomorrow other day after.  still messing around with the rendered file list for the wiki articles (so it shows the html version when you click a link).
2021-02-22T02:48:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> * acheam: no worries.  will add it probably tomorrow or the day after.  still messing around with the rendered file list for the wiki articles (so it shows the html version when you click a link).
2021-02-22T02:50:26 #kisslinux <dgre> finally!! 59%
2021-02-22T02:50:49 #kisslinux <konimex> dgre: what's your processor
2021-02-22T02:50:55 #kisslinux <dgre> haswell i3
2021-02-22T02:51:00 #kisslinux <konimex> 4-core?
2021-02-22T02:51:05 #kisslinux <dgre> 2-core
2021-02-22T02:51:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol nah
2021-02-22T02:51:07 #kisslinux <dgre> 4 threads
2021-02-22T02:51:10 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mines the i5
2021-02-22T02:51:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Still takes me forever
2021-02-22T02:51:25 #kisslinux <konimex> ah that's why, I was wondering why are you taking forever
2021-02-22T02:51:25 #kisslinux <dgre> cpu is at 75% usage
2021-02-22T02:51:33 #kisslinux <dgre> just how long will it take o_O
2021-02-22T02:51:50 #kisslinux <dgre> as you can tell i've never compiled it before
2021-02-22T02:51:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> speaking of taking forever, FF build took 1 hour (not including deps) with 8 cores and 2G swap
2021-02-22T02:51:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> :|
2021-02-22T02:52:03 #kisslinux <dgre> well that's not too bad
2021-02-22T02:52:05 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss-bin will be coming back soon(tm)
2021-02-22T02:52:21 #kisslinux <dgre> palemoon took me 4 hours on a TP T430
2021-02-22T02:52:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> hot damn
2021-02-22T02:52:33 #kisslinux <dgre> stock i5 of course
2021-02-22T02:52:42 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  nice
2021-02-22T02:52:48 #kisslinux <dgre> im yearning that computer so much
2021-02-22T02:52:54 #kisslinux <dgre> i need to get a new keyboard for it
2021-02-22T02:53:00 #kisslinux <dgre> i broke it with a bit of water accidentally
2021-02-22T02:53:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> i forget what cpu is in this ideapad
2021-02-22T02:53:03 #kisslinux <dgre> -_-
2021-02-22T02:53:36 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how you're hosting it, mcpcpc[m], but on most webservers, its just a single line in the config. In caddy, its called "try_files"
2021-02-22T03:01:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: kk. still only hosting on github pages. may spin up a linode VM tomorrow for testing.
2021-02-22T03:03:08 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah, that limits you then
2021-02-22T03:03:19 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yup.
2021-02-22T03:14:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> easier than i thought.. https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-22T03:14:44 #kisslinux <dgre> nice ^_^
2021-02-22T03:17:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> maan that looks nice
2021-02-22T03:20:39 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> :)
2021-02-22T03:20:52 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> glad you like it. still a ways to go though.
2021-02-22T03:21:52 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-02-22T03:22:33 #kisslinux <acheam> is it possible for you to remove domain from the wiki index? I think it looked a little bit cleaner before
2021-02-22T03:26:47 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure. gotta call it quits for now tho (past my bed time). let me know know if you think if anything else.  i will check the logs in the morn’.
2021-02-22T03:27:48 #kisslinux <acheam> good night
2021-02-22T03:27:54 #kisslinux <dgre> 'night
2021-02-22T04:55:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-22T04:57:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> hows it going?
2021-02-22T04:58:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just woke up
2021-02-22T04:58:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> morning then hey
2021-02-22T05:00:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> am i being too pedantic about the style guide if i tell someone to unquote /etc and /usr ?
2021-02-22T05:02:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> are they being quoted next to vars?
2021-02-22T05:02:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz if not, i dont think you'd be pedantic to say theyve gotta go
2021-02-22T05:03:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no just `./configure --prefix="/usr"`
2021-02-22T05:04:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao nah yeah id they gotta go
2021-02-22T05:07:12 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-02-22T05:07:23 #kisslinux <acheam> yep as in they should go, not that you're being too pedantic
2021-02-22T05:07:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fuck
2021-02-22T05:07:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i merged it already
2021-02-22T05:07:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess I'll tell them in a comment
2021-02-22T05:07:54 #kisslinux <acheam> not the worst thing in the world
2021-02-22T05:07:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-22T05:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> thank you for being the master of the repos, testuser_[m]
2021-02-22T05:09:40 #kisslinux <acheam> whoever you are... i've literally learned nothing about you
2021-02-22T05:10:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> HELP
2021-02-22T05:10:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol
2021-02-22T05:10:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> test pls ignore
2021-02-22T05:11:05 #kisslinux <acheam> ...
2021-02-22T05:11:14 #kisslinux <acheam> now i'm concerned that that was a genuine cry for help
2021-02-22T05:11:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> used  instead of / in kirc
2021-02-22T05:11:44 #kisslinux <acheam> you really have command over your IRC client
2021-02-22T05:11:47 #kisslinux <acheam> all caps and everything
2021-02-22T05:12:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> putting the power into power user
2021-02-22T05:12:54 #kisslinux <dgre> oh, but can we add mcabber to the community repo?
2021-02-22T05:12:59 #kisslinux <dgre> i have it ported
2021-02-22T05:13:09 #kisslinux <dgre> i only needed gpgme and loudmouth as extra deps
2021-02-22T05:13:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> mcpcpc: in your howto for kirc on your site, your HELP command has the slash the wrong way :P
2021-02-22T05:13:55 #kisslinux <acheam> pawning of the blame. What a low blow
2021-02-22T05:13:59 #kisslinux <acheam> s/of/off
2021-02-22T05:14:00 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> pawning off the blame. What a low blow
2021-02-22T05:14:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> i claim not accountability for my lack of common sense
2021-02-22T05:14:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/not/no
2021-02-22T05:14:36 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> i claim no accountability for my lack of common sense
2021-02-22T05:15:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: you can learn a few things about me through git log and my readme.md :p
2021-02-22T05:15:46 #kisslinux <acheam> "tux does not like this operating system pls end its misery"
2021-02-22T05:15:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> look into it more
2021-02-22T05:18:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> that shitcord bot output is peak ++
2021-02-22T05:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> learn to rebase, my guy
2021-02-22T05:19:03 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/E9l20ti.png
2021-02-22T05:19:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol in june i didnt even know git from command line
2021-02-22T05:20:19 #kisslinux <acheam> i've been through most of your commits, haven't found anything
2021-02-22T05:20:32 #kisslinux <acheam> this is some wild goose chase innit
2021-02-22T05:20:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just the readme man
2021-02-22T05:20:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not in commits
2021-02-22T05:22:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I see the number 15
2021-02-22T05:22:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yes, what do you guess it is :p
2021-02-22T05:23:11 #kisslinux <acheam> oh man, that's gotta be, what... the number of KISS installs you've done? /s
2021-02-22T05:27:13 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, that wasn't my best joke
2021-02-22T05:27:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> can y'all stop making me feel old jfc
2021-02-22T05:30:37 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  what's the deal with testuser[m]_?
2021-02-22T05:31:10 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy: sorry, no can do.
2021-02-22T05:31:20 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> test
2021-02-22T05:31:32 #kisslinux <acheam> aah there's two of them!
2021-02-22T05:31:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-02-22T05:31:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i have one matrix account on kde.org for backup
2021-02-22T05:31:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> incase of issues with selfhosted
2021-02-22T05:31:56 #kisslinux <acheam> gotcha
2021-02-22T05:32:43 #kisslinux <acheam> how is matrix to self host?
2021-02-22T05:34:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'm using the dendrite implementation which is in golang so ram usage is decent, messages are pretty fast to send aswell
2021-02-22T05:34:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there's synapse in python which is a resource hog
2021-02-22T05:34:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but its stable tm
2021-02-22T05:34:25 #kisslinux <acheam> thats good.
2021-02-22T05:35:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't seen any of your messages double send or anything, unlike some other matrix bridge users here
2021-02-22T10:19:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there something like musl-gcc that can be used for c++ aswell?
2021-02-22T10:19:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> doesnt gcc build with c++ compat?
2021-02-22T10:22:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> musl gcc is a wrapper, say you have glibc as main libc and musl in /usr/musl, you can link to that instead of glibc
2021-02-22T10:22:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but it doesn't work for c++
2021-02-22T10:22:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahh yeah aight, not sure then
2021-02-22T10:23:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh i found this on faq
2021-02-22T10:23:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl; however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.
2021-02-22T10:23:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm
2021-02-22T10:23:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> was just reading that too
2021-02-22T10:35:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe i can do something like taking c++ gcc libs from musl chroot, then using that to rebuild gcc with musl-gcc
2021-02-22T10:57:09 #kisslinux <varbhat> Hello
2021-02-22T10:57:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-22T11:00:55 #kisslinux <varbhat> How is kisslinux going on ?
2021-02-22T11:01:37 #kisslinux <kyao> its going nice just without dylan sadly
2021-02-22T11:26:40 #kisslinux <varbhat> :( hope they return
2021-02-22T11:29:51 #kisslinux <travankor> assuming he's alive :
2021-02-22T11:29:54 #kisslinux <travankor> :2021-02-22T13:16:09 #kisslinux <varbhat> <travankor "assuming he's alive :"> Can we somehow get this information?
2021-02-22T13:16:25 #kisslinux <varbhat> voluntary doxxing
2021-02-22T13:16:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no need to intrude into his personal life
2021-02-22T13:17:12 #kisslinux <varbhat> <testuser_[m] "no need to intrude into his pers"> yes, you are right though.
2021-02-22T13:20:20 #kisslinux <varbhat> but, to know that he is still alive, gives relief to the mind
2021-02-22T13:20:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well yeah but...
2021-02-22T13:21:18 #kisslinux <varbhat> _
2021-02-22T13:26:41 #kisslinux <acheam> we started to investigate (with good results) but collectively decided to stop
2021-02-22T13:30:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Ain't none of our business :v
2021-02-22T13:30:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wherever he his we hope he knows we miss him and wish him well
2021-02-22T13:31:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> If anyone has build errors with the 5.21 plasma update lmk
2021-02-22T13:36:39 #kisslinux <varbhat> @dilyn:matrix.org  I think that you haven't seen https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms
2021-02-22T13:37:20 #kisslinux <varbhat> you can use your irc nick
2021-02-22T13:38:24 #kisslinux <acheam> if you use your IRC nick please keep the [m] suffix though
2021-02-22T13:39:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I hadn't seen that, no
2021-02-22T13:40:24 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But also my irc username was always just dilyn. I think this change disambiguated the fact that I am not Bylan :v
2021-02-22T13:40:31 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s/Bylan/Dylan/
2021-02-22T13:40:32 #kisslinux <kissbot> <DilynCorner[m]> But also my irc username was always just dilyn. I think this change disambiguated the fact that I am not Dylan :v
2021-02-22T13:46:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you should've changed your name to DilynEreps
2021-02-22T13:46:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> to avoid further confusion
2021-02-22T13:47:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> DilynARapper
2021-02-22T13:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> If he wins the BDFL poll, the only option for him is to legally change his name to Dylan Araps, just to avoid confusion
2021-02-22T13:47:50 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Walk into IRC like 'what up I got a big git log'
2021-02-22T13:48:09 #kisslinux <acheam> "update" and "push", its all in here!
2021-02-22T13:48:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> My girlfriend would be very mad at me if I changed my name 'for continuity' xD
2021-02-22T13:48:54 #kisslinux <acheam> get your priorities straight man
2021-02-22T13:49:21 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> "and why are you changing your name today sir" "so my internet friends will like me more" qq
2021-02-22T13:51:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see the issue here
2021-02-22T13:53:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The only time imposter syndrome would be legitimate
2021-02-22T13:53:44 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> No I like being named after Boris johnson's dog :v
2021-02-22T14:29:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn what do you use instead of htop?
2021-02-22T14:30:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hey, quick question for you guys; ever run into a problem building perl? something about not being able to find xsubpp in the proper place during buildtime.
2021-02-22T14:42:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Bottom
2021-02-22T14:42:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah
2021-02-22T14:43:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw what fonts did you need to get it to show properly ?
2021-02-22T14:43:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> midfavila1: nah never had such an error
2021-02-22T14:44:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Well... darn. I really need to get around to setting up a minor fork so that I don't have issues like this...
2021-02-22T14:44:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> every time I set up KISS and go through the usual rigamaroll of ripping out bbox the userspace ends up *slightly* different, so I get weird errors
2021-02-22T14:46:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its mostly an issue with alternative sed
2021-02-22T14:46:19 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I only have cozette installed as my font, everything displays just fine
2021-02-22T14:46:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just use toybox kekw
2021-02-22T14:50:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> midfavila1 think of it like a pop quiz every time you install, to keep you on your toes!
2021-02-22T14:51:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thanks for cozette, that truly is a cozy font!  i've been using inconsolata or ricty diminished discord but cozette looks like a really nice replacement...
2021-02-22T14:52:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I've got Cozette installed too. the bitmap font is really wonky though
2021-02-22T14:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the kerning is just absolutely wack
2021-02-22T14:56:15 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The moment foot supports ligatures I'm gonna have to add again iosevka I think but cozette is wonderful
2021-02-22T14:56:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm bottom just showed me weird tiny rectangles instead of proper dots
2021-02-22T14:56:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Strange...
2021-02-22T14:56:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> inb4 it was cuz of the terminal this whole time
2021-02-22T14:56:53 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> See I have literally one font installed so foot has no choice but to use it lmao
2021-02-22T14:57:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i also just have cantarell and jetbrains mono
2021-02-22T14:57:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> weird
2021-02-22T14:58:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I need to start looking for more fonts to use... seems like everything out there is monospaced though
2021-02-22T14:58:13 #kisslinux <acheam> jetbrains mono is great
2021-02-22T14:58:18 #kisslinux <acheam> but thats monospace
2021-02-22T14:58:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use it for everything....
2021-02-22T14:58:43 #kisslinux <acheam> Working on a kiss-mail command. https://envs.sh/Tl.txt
2021-02-22T14:58:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> nothing wrong with mono fonts for terminal use and stuffs, but I prefer having regular fonts for... well, everything else
2021-02-22T14:58:57 #kisslinux <acheam> thats fair
2021-02-22T14:59:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I do break a lot of websites with bad fonts...
2021-02-22T15:00:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> KISS is like the only OS period where I haven't had font issues
2021-02-22T15:01:04 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> From windows in 09 and everything between, I've always had troubles with fonts
2021-02-22T15:01:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Here it's like, yes just use this font pls und ty
2021-02-22T15:01:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> plaintext configuration ftw
2021-02-22T15:03:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the one problem i've had is glyphs beyond normal ones.  ricty diminished discord doesn't have many, so i have to supplement with some more complete ones
2021-02-22T15:16:03 #kisslinux <acheam> Could someone check that this script works okay/is POSIX and all? https://envs.sh/T8.txt
2021-02-22T15:22:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.shellcheck.net there's an online tool you can use to catch some stuff
2021-02-22T15:22:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I used shellcheck on it, and all it came up with was that I should quote my variables.
2021-02-22T15:23:16 #kisslinux <acheam> oh and one other thing now, thanks for the reminder
2021-02-22T15:24:57 #kisslinux <varbhat> are you using wpa_supplicant or eiwd ?
2021-02-22T15:25:25 #kisslinux <varbhat> i am very much interested in iwd but am really repelled by dbus
2021-02-22T15:26:14 #kisslinux <varbhat> any other IPC or cli tool or even better, C library to control iwd would be better idea
2021-02-22T15:28:51 #kisslinux <midfavila1> iwd is neat
2021-02-22T15:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I'm working on a super hacky posix script to scan and stuff with it
2021-02-22T15:30:22 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Yes, I like it much better than wpa_supplicant.
2021-02-22T15:30:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> eventually I'd like to add support for configuring your network and stuff
2021-02-22T15:30:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i find iwd is just... a lot faster?
2021-02-22T15:30:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like with supplicant you have to wait a few seconds, but iwd is almost instant
2021-02-22T15:31:21 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Indeed, I think so too. The usage of it is much simpler as well.
2021-02-22T15:31:27 #kisslinux * midfavila1 nods
2021-02-22T15:47:49 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wpa_supplicant has more features than the 'average' user needs
2021-02-22T15:47:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Iwd is pretty tight
2021-02-22T16:27:28 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, the pager variable at the end: you could just use `get_mail | "${PAGER:-less}"`
2021-02-22T16:37:53 #kisslinux <varbhat> <midfavila1 "I'm working on a super hacky pos"> works without dbus?
2021-02-22T16:38:35 #kisslinux <varbhat> <midfavila1 "I'm working on a super hacky pos"> wait,can you share the prototype atleast? how did you do ?
2021-02-22T16:38:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Yeah. Pretty sure the only non-POSIX stuff it calls right now is ifconfig and iwd itself... but beyond just convenient scanning it's pretty unimpressive
2021-02-22T16:39:19 #kisslinux <varbhat> can it scan wifi ?
2021-02-22T16:39:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> mostly it's a pile of case statements and awk. wrote it at like five in the morning so it's not exactly... share-worthy
2021-02-22T16:39:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and yeah, it can
2021-02-22T16:39:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but iwd has that functionality built into it itself
2021-02-22T16:40:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> ain't you using eiwd ?
2021-02-22T16:40:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah but that doesn't really matter when it comes to invoking iwd directly
2021-02-22T16:40:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's only the control program that requires dbus afaik
2021-02-22T16:40:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> unless... hold on a sec
2021-02-22T16:41:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's been a while since i've tinkered with my network setup on my laptop so I might be confusing the tools I used
2021-02-22T16:42:00 #kisslinux <varbhat> has dylan updated eiwd? last commit is from march 2020
2021-02-22T16:42:18 #kisslinux <varbhat> i think that iwd could have progressed very much in upstream
2021-02-22T16:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dylan hasn't been spotted on the net in months
2021-02-22T16:42:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> anyway I was confusing the tool that I used
2021-02-22T16:42:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i was calling a seperate program called iw, not iwd
2021-02-22T16:42:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no relation
2021-02-22T16:43:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Documentation/iw
2021-02-22T16:43:59 #kisslinux <varbhat> ah
2021-02-22T16:44:12 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Yeah I imagine iwd has seen a ton of progress upstream so eiwd is probably very far behind
2021-02-22T16:44:22 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> He intended to rewrite it last I heard...?
2021-02-22T16:46:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> huh. just realized that for some reason kiss-owns isn't able to check my iw package...
2021-02-22T16:46:02 #kisslinux <varbhat> <DilynCorner[m] "He intended to rewrite it last I"> even better, we can convince upstream to make dbus optional
2021-02-22T16:46:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> making dbus optional upstream would definitely be the best outcome
2021-02-22T16:48:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I doubt they'd be interested in that xD
2021-02-22T16:49:13 #kisslinux <varbhat> i asked few days ago
2021-02-22T16:49:26 #kisslinux <varbhat> another person wanted it too
2021-02-22T16:49:44 #kisslinux <varbhat> so, it couldn't be 100℅ negated.
2021-02-22T17:06:37 #kisslinux <varbhat> <DilynCorner[m] "From windows in 09 and everythin"> Hey, Recommend me best fonts for computer
2021-02-22T17:06:53 #kisslinux <varbhat> mine would be noto fonts for unicode coverage
2021-02-22T17:07:00 #kisslinux <varbhat> ibm plex for terminal
2021-02-22T17:07:40 #kisslinux <varbhat> computer modern font(that knuth concieved) for formal situations
2021-02-22T17:13:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> iwd never worked for me for some reason, i use the r8188eu driver
2021-02-22T17:18:31 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, aarng!
2021-02-22T17:18:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I need to learn these little shell shortcuts
2021-02-22T17:21:26 #kisslinux <acheam> "requiring this is fucking stupid", thank you anonymous peron from the form
2021-02-22T17:21:36 #kisslinux <acheam> s/peron/person
2021-02-22T17:21:37 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> "requiring this is fucking stupid", thank you anonymous person from the form
2021-02-22T17:22:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-02-22T17:23:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how many  responses now?
2021-02-22T17:23:10 #kisslinux <acheam> 121
2021-02-22T17:23:15 #kisslinux <acheam> its really slowing down now
2021-02-22T17:23:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> Responses?
2021-02-22T17:23:52 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-02-22T17:24:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> To what? sorry if it's obvious, I had to look away for a bit
2021-02-22T17:24:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Well it's more than the 50 people figure we got from unique cloners
2021-02-22T17:24:39 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009604499/utilities/xcu_chap02.html#tag_02_06_02
2021-02-22T17:24:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and a lot more wouldn't have bothered responding
2021-02-22T17:24:52 #kisslinux <aarng> if you want to stay posix and not get overwhelmed by the bash man page :D
2021-02-22T17:25:14 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  121 responses to the BDFL form, https://kiss-poll.armaanb.net
2021-02-22T17:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aaah. Yeah, I didn't get that in my logs
2021-02-22T17:25:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> Thanks
2021-02-22T17:25:45 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  yeah, not sure where that discrepancy comes from.
2021-02-22T17:26:13 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll look at that, aarng, thanks!
2021-02-22T17:26:22 #kisslinux <aarng> np
2021-02-22T17:27:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> most responses are unique right ? that would rule out botd
2021-02-22T17:27:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bots
2021-02-22T17:27:25 #kisslinux <acheam> no way of ensuring that
2021-02-22T17:45:40 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/Ba3kyOG.png
2021-02-22T17:46:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-02-22T17:46:22 #kisslinux <acheam> also
2021-02-22T17:46:31 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/TnJPeJM.png
2021-02-22T17:46:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wtf
2021-02-22T17:47:36 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe we should just cut it off now
2021-02-22T17:47:43 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems as if the quality of results is... falling
2021-02-22T17:47:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> >yes
2021-02-22T17:47:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> >dylan araps
2021-02-22T17:47:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is why the public should never be given an in
2021-02-22T17:48:19 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately no good way of anonymously sending a poll to people who I don't have emails for
2021-02-22T17:48:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i HOPE they were joking
2021-02-22T17:48:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> else, wtf
2021-02-22T17:48:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's funnier if they aren't tbh :v
2021-02-22T17:53:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw midfavila why have you been inactive for the past few weeks ?
2021-02-22T17:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been hacking the gibson
2021-02-22T17:55:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> fr though some stuff just came up personally and I felt like I needed to cut social stuff for a while to get things back on track
2021-02-22T17:55:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-22T17:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-02-22T17:56:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so all good now?
2021-02-22T17:56:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I wouldn't say all good, but definitely all better-than-it-was
2021-02-22T18:08:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wonder if I could reimplement the base of KISS in Scheme... would probably be a good project to add to the Big List of Stuff I Want To Do But Probably Never Will:tm:
2021-02-22T18:11:42 #kisslinux <acheam> we should consider writing some kind of linter for KISS packages
2021-02-22T18:11:48 #kisslinux <acheam> perhaps built off of shellcheck
2021-02-22T18:12:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> That'd be nice.
2021-02-22T18:12:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I could write something but it would be in python
2021-02-22T18:14:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, if it's just an extension module or seperate utility, I don't think the implementation language matters much as long as it's relatively common
2021-02-22T18:14:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> python, C, perl (maybe?), POSIX sh, what have you
2021-02-22T18:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wish there was like
2021-02-22T18:16:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> A ruggedized MIPS laptop. that'd be super nifty
2021-02-22T18:25:23 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> POSIX sh would be best
2021-02-22T18:25:31 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> this is KISS Linux, remember? :^)
2021-02-22T18:25:40 #kisslinux <acheam> Far above my skill level to write a linter in posix SH
2021-02-22T18:25:46 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: lmao at the drew devault
2021-02-22T18:26:18 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> it's not for nothing that they call him the Crazy Sourcehut Guy, lol
2021-02-22T18:26:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder how he'd react...
2021-02-22T18:26:34 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> acheam: probably flame us for not including waylamb in the repos
2021-02-22T18:26:46 #kisslinux <acheam> The crazy wayland guy --> The Crazy Sourcehut guy --> the crazy rust hater
2021-02-22T18:26:57 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> lol
2021-02-22T18:27:05 #kisslinux <acheam> --> the crazy KISS LInux hater
2021-02-22T18:27:24 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b: Have you sent that freenode email?
2021-02-22T18:27:29 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> If he did flame KISS on his blog, that would boost our reputation
2021-02-22T18:27:43 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Not yet
2021-02-22T18:27:47 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe we should head over to #cmpwn and start a flame war...
2021-02-22T18:28:18 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> it's almost too easy -- just demand that he apologise for supporting genocide
2021-02-22T18:57:17 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> s h i t
2021-02-22T18:57:28 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hey don't dox my BDFL vote for Dylan man
2021-02-22T18:57:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :'(
2021-02-22T19:23:50 #kisslinux <dgre> salute
2021-02-22T19:23:58 #kisslinux <dgre> i couldn't post all this stuff last night so
2021-02-22T19:24:20 #kisslinux <dgre> the mutt error
2021-02-22T19:32:49 #kisslinux <dgre> https://lainsafe.kalli.st/files/161402234213597.mutt-2021-02-22-15:24-15714
2021-02-22T19:33:00 #kisslinux <dgre> it wasn't some symbol error after all
2021-02-22T19:33:27 #kisslinux <dgre> an earlier log from january shows the exact same thing
2021-02-22T19:45:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so its not a gettext library issue?
2021-02-22T20:02:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, which mutt version is that ? got link to source tarball ?
2021-02-22T20:02:46 #kisslinux <dgre> https://bitbucket.org/mutt/mutt/downloads/mutt-2.0.5.tar.gz
2021-02-22T20:07:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, try this patch http://ix.io/2Qpf
2021-02-22T20:07:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they have hardcoded that curses == ncurses and check a macro that only ncurses defines
2021-02-22T20:08:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> actually, there's an upstreamable version of this patch, sec
2021-02-22T20:09:41 #kisslinux <dgre> ok ^^
2021-02-22T20:09:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://ix.io/2Qph
2021-02-22T20:09:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this one should be good to be send to mutt bugtracker
2021-02-22T20:10:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "fixes build with netbsd-curses"
2021-02-22T20:11:10 #kisslinux <dgre> yep
2021-02-22T20:12:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in case you have other issues with netbsd-curses, ping me, as im the author
2021-02-22T20:12:42 #kisslinux <dgre> i am aware, you are maintaining sabotage linux, right?
2021-02-22T20:12:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yep
2021-02-22T20:12:52 #kisslinux <dgre> lovely work you have there
2021-02-22T20:13:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks
2021-02-22T20:13:24 #kisslinux <dgre> trying to build now
2021-02-22T20:16:22 #kisslinux <dgre> sh4rm4^bnc: https://lainsafe.kalli.st/files/161402497210893.mutt-2021-02-22-16:12-20947
2021-02-22T20:16:42 #kisslinux <dgre> undefined symbol this time
2021-02-22T20:17:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> is this using a configure script ?
2021-02-22T20:17:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if so, try LIBS="-lcurses -lterminfo" ./configure
2021-02-22T20:22:30 #kisslinux <dgre> well sh4rm4^bnc
2021-02-22T20:22:33 #kisslinux <dgre> but it should work
2021-02-22T20:22:36 #kisslinux <dgre> $ pkgconf --libs ncurses
2021-02-22T20:22:36 #kisslinux <dgre> -lncurses -lterminfo
2021-02-22T20:22:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> almost nobody using ncurses uses pkg-config :(
2021-02-22T20:23:12 #kisslinux <dgre> :/
2021-02-22T20:23:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since ncurses traditionally shipped it's own proprietary "ncurses5-config"
2021-02-22T20:23:55 #kisslinux <dgre> that is quite awful
2021-02-22T20:25:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anyway LIBS=... ./configure should fix it
2021-02-22T20:25:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since we can see in your log that -lterminfo is missing
2021-02-22T20:25:46 #kisslinux <dgre> it did :D
2021-02-22T20:25:56 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah, there was two spaces to the left of -lncurses
2021-02-22T20:26:07 #kisslinux <dgre> like there's supposed to be something there
2021-02-22T20:27:07 #kisslinux <dgre> the moment i type 'mutt' i get an INSTANT segfault sh4rm4^bnc
2021-02-22T20:27:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hurr
2021-02-22T20:27:23 #kisslinux <dgre> where should I go from here?
2021-02-22T20:27:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gdb
2021-02-22T20:27:32 #kisslinux <dgre> right
2021-02-22T20:27:38 #kisslinux <dgre> wait
2021-02-22T20:27:47 #kisslinux <dgre> I've actually never used gdb
2021-02-22T20:27:49 #kisslinux <dgre> does it come with GCC?
2021-02-22T20:27:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> maybe they use stdscr without calling initscr
2021-02-22T20:27:57 #kisslinux <dgre> nope
2021-02-22T20:28:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it's a separate package
2021-02-22T20:28:04 #kisslinux <dgre> ok, im getting gdb
2021-02-22T20:28:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gdb mutt
2021-02-22T20:28:14 #kisslinux <dgre> yes
2021-02-22T20:28:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> r (enter)
2021-02-22T20:28:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> wait for crash
2021-02-22T20:28:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> bt (enter)
2021-02-22T20:32:11 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Are you compiling mutt with debugging symbols?
2021-02-22T20:32:18 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> gdb is useless if you aren't.
2021-02-22T20:34:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> configure scripts default to -O2 -g
2021-02-22T20:35:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so unless the binary is stripped, it should be ok
2021-02-22T20:35:31 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Ah, that's nice.
2021-02-22T20:40:27 #kisslinux <dgre> excellent! gdb has failed to compile
2021-02-22T20:40:28 #kisslinux <dgre> /usr/bin/sed -e s/NN/64/g <  > elf64-target.h
2021-02-22T20:40:28 #kisslinux <dgre> sh: 2: Syntax error: redirection unexpected
2021-02-22T20:40:28 #kisslinux <dgre> *** [elf64-target.h] Error code 2
2021-02-22T20:41:00 #kisslinux <dgre> why is the middle empty?
2021-02-22T20:41:14 #kisslinux <dgre> sed is taking in nothing
2021-02-22T20:41:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in case you trust me i've got a static gdb binary online since years
2021-02-22T20:41:39 #kisslinux <dgre> well, i trust you ^_^
2021-02-22T20:41:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://ftp.barfooze.de/pub/sabotage/bin/gdb-glibc-amd64.tar.xz
2021-02-22T20:41:54 #kisslinux <dgre> glibc though
2021-02-22T20:42:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's linked against glibc, but who cares
2021-02-22T20:42:05 #kisslinux <dgre> i guess
2021-02-22T20:42:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's static linked
2021-02-22T20:42:08 #kisslinux <dgre> oh
2021-02-22T20:42:12 #kisslinux <dgre> alright then
2021-02-22T20:42:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gdb-glibc-amd64.tar.xz	2012-11-04 22:01	5.3M	File
2021-02-22T20:42:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> guess that was before i got gdb to build against musl
2021-02-22T20:43:04 #kisslinux <dgre> woooooow, 2012
2021-02-22T20:43:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-02-22T20:47:15 #kisslinux <dgre> DANGIT
2021-02-22T20:47:15 #kisslinux <dgre> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/mutt...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
2021-02-22T20:47:55 #kisslinux <dgre> guess i'll add -g to my CFLAGS..?
2021-02-22T20:48:39 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> And get rid of strip
2021-02-22T20:48:43 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Kiss automatically does it
2021-02-22T20:48:54 #kisslinux <dgre> Oh true
2021-02-22T20:48:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> :>nostrip at the beginning of the build script should do it
2021-02-22T20:49:25 #kisslinux <dgre> in a comment line?
2021-02-22T20:50:16 #kisslinux <dgre> OH
2021-02-22T20:50:18 #kisslinux <dgre> I see
2021-02-22T20:52:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> let's hope kiss' toolchain doesn't default to fancy new compressed debug sections
2021-02-22T20:52:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> one needs a bleeding edge gdb for those
2021-02-22T20:54:38 #kisslinux <dgre> It didn't seem to strip
2021-02-22T20:54:44 #kisslinux <dgre> I didn't see any messages about stripping this time
2021-02-22T20:55:15 #kisslinux <dgre> still not finding any debugging symbols
2021-02-22T20:55:19 #kisslinux <dgre> this is what i got with bt
2021-02-22T20:55:19 #kisslinux <dgre> (gdb) bt
2021-02-22T20:55:20 #kisslinux <dgre> #0  0x00005555555af24d in mutt_ts_capability ()
2021-02-22T20:55:20 #kisslinux <dgre> #1  0x00005555555cee9f in main ()
2021-02-22T20:57:29 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what's above that ?
2021-02-22T20:57:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hmm, i just built mutt 2.0.5 with my suggested patch and it doesn't segfault
2021-02-22T21:02:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> here's my recipe https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/commit/03c4456b80ab4db681fde90827eb21e7a868211c
2021-02-22T21:03:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> musl 1.1.24, ftr
2021-02-22T21:06:39 #kisslinux <dgre> above that? sh4rm4^bnc
2021-02-22T21:06:40 #kisslinux <dgre> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
2021-02-22T21:06:40 #kisslinux <dgre> 0x00005555555af24d in mutt_ts_capability ()
2021-02-22T21:06:49 #kisslinux <dgre> after 'r'
2021-02-22T21:07:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah that's what i meant
2021-02-22T21:07:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the debug info looks quite bare
2021-02-22T21:08:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> usually it has line number, file etc
2021-02-22T21:08:17 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah because...
2021-02-22T21:08:17 #kisslinux <dgre> Reading symbols from /usr/bin/mutt...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
2021-02-22T21:08:28 #kisslinux <dgre> even though this time it wasn't stripped
2021-02-22T21:08:34 #kisslinux <dgre> maybe I do require the modern gdb?
2021-02-22T21:08:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so kiss does indeed use compressed debug info?
2021-02-22T21:08:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sec, there might be an option to get old-school debug info
2021-02-22T21:09:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> some bg info : https://github.com/richfelker/musl-cross-make/pull/73
2021-02-22T21:10:35 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I don't think it would be on by default...?
2021-02-22T21:10:36 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Hm
2021-02-22T21:11:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, can you add LDFLAGS="-Wl,--decompress-debug-sections" and CFLAGS="-g3 -gdwarf2" before ./configure
2021-02-22T21:12:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Wait dgre aren't you using wyverkiss?
2021-02-22T21:13:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> s/dwarf2/dwarf-2/
2021-02-22T21:13:44 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, can you add LDFLAGS="-Wl,--decompress-debug-sections" and CFLAGS="-g3 -gdwarf-2" before ./configure
2021-02-22T21:14:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> might also default to dwarf3 nowadays
2021-02-22T21:14:28 #kisslinux <dgre> I am using wyverkiss indeed DilynCorner[m]
2021-02-22T21:14:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and 9 year old gdb 6.6 doesn't support dwarf3 either
2021-02-22T21:18:08 #kisslinux <dgre> sh4rm4^bnc:
2021-02-22T21:18:08 #kisslinux <dgre> checking whether the C compiler works... no
2021-02-22T21:18:09 #kisslinux <dgre> configure: error: in `/var/pkg/.cache/kiss/proc/4847/build/mutt':
2021-02-22T21:18:09 #kisslinux <dgre> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
2021-02-22T21:18:09 #kisslinux <dgre> See `config.log' for more details
2021-02-22T21:18:20 #kisslinux <dgre> is there any way I can keep the work directory after failing?
2021-02-22T21:18:30 #kisslinux <dgre> actually, I don't need to do that
2021-02-22T21:18:37 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> KISS_DEBUG=1
2021-02-22T21:19:02 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> But you can just go to the source tarball and avoid using kiss entirely for simplicity
2021-02-22T21:20:16 #kisslinux <dgre> O.K
2021-02-22T21:20:18 #kisslinux <dgre> https://lainsafe.kalli.st/files/161402881060636.log
2021-02-22T21:21:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> >lain with a gun
2021-02-22T21:21:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> now there's something I thought I would never see
2021-02-22T21:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...ignoring that one scene
2021-02-22T21:21:43 #kisslinux <dgre> hah
2021-02-22T21:23:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> totally unrelated, but man I wish subway delivered
2021-02-22T21:23:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> first world problems I know, but I'm craving sandwiches and haven't got the stuff to make one
2021-02-22T21:24:15 #kisslinux <dgre> oh jeez
2021-02-22T21:24:21 #kisslinux <dgre> i havent eaten subway in years
2021-02-22T21:24:43 #kisslinux <dgre> does it still taste good midfavila
2021-02-22T21:24:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, for a ten dollar sub, yeah it's alright
2021-02-22T21:25:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> But they removed honey oat bread and replaced it with a gluten-free bread which is a n n o y i n g
2021-02-22T21:25:46 #kisslinux <ctb0> maybe jimmy john's? I haven't had a sandwhich from their, but their motto is freaky fast delivery
2021-02-22T21:25:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> <dgre> checking whether the C compiler works... no
2021-02-22T21:25:57 #kisslinux <ctb0> s/their/there
2021-02-22T21:25:58 #kisslinux <kissbot> <ctb0> maybe jimmy john's? I haven't had a sandwhich from there, but their motto is freaky fast delivery
2021-02-22T21:25:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> -Wl,--decompress-debug-sections seems to be wrong, remove it
2021-02-22T21:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've eaten out a few times too many this month because I haven't been able to get out to grab groceries
2021-02-22T21:26:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and considering I've never heard of that place I dunno if they'd operate in my city
2021-02-22T21:26:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> t. snow mexican aka canuck aka not-american aka canadian
2021-02-22T21:27:16 #kisslinux <dgre> removed
2021-02-22T21:27:19 #kisslinux <dgre> building
2021-02-22T21:27:55 #kisslinux <ctb0> i'm about to install kiss on an old laptop. what documentation is the best to use currently?
2021-02-22T21:28:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> still k1ss.org/install
2021-02-22T21:28:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> the basic method is dead simple
2021-02-22T21:28:48 #kisslinux <ctb0> k1ss.org is down now
2021-02-22T21:28:58 #kisslinux <dgre> yes
2021-02-22T21:29:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> wtf
2021-02-22T21:29:01 #kisslinux <dgre> https://mcpcpc.com/k1ss/wiki.html
2021-02-22T21:29:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it is
2021-02-22T21:29:07 #kisslinux <dgre> this is another mirror
2021-02-22T21:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> k1ss.armaanb.net is the actual mirror
2021-02-22T21:29:16 #kisslinux <dgre> ^
2021-02-22T21:29:24 #kisslinux <dgre> then again
2021-02-22T21:29:28 #kisslinux <dgre> when you have many mirrors
2021-02-22T21:29:28 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc's is an experimental thing
2021-02-22T21:29:33 #kisslinux <dgre> none are the actual mirror
2021-02-22T21:29:38 #kisslinux <ctb0> so i should use the actual mirror, and i just which the repos to kiss-community right?
2021-02-22T21:29:43 #kisslinux <dgre> yes
2021-02-22T21:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> a reflection of a reflection of a ghost
2021-02-22T21:29:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-02-22T21:29:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is some metaphysical shit
2021-02-22T21:31:55 #kisslinux <dgre> yay
2021-02-22T21:31:59 #kisslinux <dgre> sh4rm4^bnc: it read it this time
2021-02-22T21:32:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> cool
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> 0x00005555555b9c7b in mutt_ts_capability () at curs_main.c:159
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> 159     curs_main.c: No such file or directory.
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> (gdb) bt
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> #0  0x00005555555b9c7b in mutt_ts_capability () at curs_main.c:159
2021-02-22T21:32:17 #kisslinux <dgre> #1  0x00005555555ea137 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffffffec58, environ=0x7fffffffec68) at main.c:864
2021-02-22T21:33:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> >  if (tcaps && tcaps != (char *)-1 && *tcaps)
2021-02-22T21:33:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> type: p tcaps
2021-02-22T21:33:37 #kisslinux <dgre> (gdb) p tcaps
2021-02-22T21:33:38 #kisslinux <dgre> $1 = 0xfffffffff7c5f927 <Address 0xfffffffff7c5f927 out of bounds>
2021-02-22T21:34:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dafuq
2021-02-22T21:34:42 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lmao
2021-02-22T21:34:47 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-02-22T21:35:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh
2021-02-22T21:35:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i think i know what's going on
2021-02-22T21:36:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> do you have the build log of netbsd-curses around ?
2021-02-22T21:38:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> curs_main.c:158:11: warning: implicit declaration of function 'tigetstr' is invalid in C99 [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
2021-02-22T21:38:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc>   tcaps = tigetstr("tsl");
2021-02-22T21:38:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> implicit declaration means : pointer is truncated to int
2021-02-22T21:40:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so the netbsd-curses header declaring the func isnt included correctly
2021-02-22T21:40:32 #kisslinux <dgre> netbsd-curses build log... im rebuilding it
2021-02-22T21:40:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, not needed
2021-02-22T21:40:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i already found the issue
2021-02-22T21:40:48 #kisslinux <dgre> hum
2021-02-22T21:41:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> curs_main.c:158:9: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast [-Wint-conversion]
2021-02-22T21:41:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if this warning is in a build log, it almost always means immediate segfault
2021-02-22T21:42:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thus -Werror-implicit-function-declaration should be used
2021-02-22T21:42:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> working on a fix
2021-02-22T21:42:47 #kisslinux <dgre> i see
2021-02-22T21:42:49 #kisslinux <dgre> well
2021-02-22T21:42:56 #kisslinux <dgre> that's nice
2021-02-22T21:43:02 #kisslinux <dgre> mutt will work at last o/
2021-02-22T21:44:53 #kisslinux <acheam> or you could take the opprotunity to learn the superior Aerc, ya know
2021-02-22T21:45:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/tigetstr.3x.html
2021-02-22T21:46:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> SYNOPSIS
2021-02-22T21:46:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc>        #include <term.h>
2021-02-22T21:46:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> real chads use mh
2021-02-22T21:46:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> fight me
2021-02-22T21:46:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they don't include term.h
2021-02-22T21:47:30 #kisslinux <acheam> why does email have to be so... bad
2021-02-22T21:47:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i dunno i find email pretty alright
2021-02-22T21:48:01 #kisslinux <acheam> what happened to being able to send emails from localhost and have them actual reach your recipient and not their spam box
2021-02-22T21:48:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> google and microshit mostly
2021-02-22T21:48:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I imagine AOL is in there somewhere
2021-02-22T21:48:34 #kisslinux <acheam> and the mailing list system that my school uses doesn't even send multipart emails anymore, just HTML, so I have to hop into W3M to read them
2021-02-22T21:48:43 #kisslinux <acheam> its borked
2021-02-22T21:48:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's pretty gross
2021-02-22T21:48:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> tell them that it's an accessibility issue for visually impaired students or something idk
2021-02-22T21:49:07 #kisslinux <dgre> ah yea
2021-02-22T21:49:10 #kisslinux <acheam> they wont change it
2021-02-22T21:49:17 #kisslinux <dgre> the old reliable
2021-02-22T21:49:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's lame
2021-02-22T21:49:20 #kisslinux <acheam> its part of their whole school management SAAS suite
2021-02-22T21:49:25 #kisslinux <acheam> proprietary of course
2021-02-22T21:49:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> >SAAS
2021-02-22T21:49:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> found the problem
2021-02-22T21:49:31 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly
2021-02-22T21:49:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> my question is
2021-02-22T21:49:37 #kisslinux <dgre> 'your whatwg zog site will not work for blind people'
2021-02-22T21:49:44 #kisslinux <dgre> 'ableist!!!!1'
2021-02-22T21:49:51 #kisslinux <acheam> its a private school, they can do what tf they want
2021-02-22T21:50:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> why the fuck would you hire an IT dept if you're just gonna outsource everything
2021-02-22T21:50:05 #kisslinux <dgre> yes ITS PRIVATE
2021-02-22T21:50:07 #kisslinux <acheam> i might have a case in a public school
2021-02-22T21:50:21 #kisslinux <dgre> private hitman? please kill me  as you are private and you can do whatever you want
2021-02-22T21:50:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, i'm sure there are people out there who'd do that tbh
2021-02-22T21:50:46 #kisslinux <acheam> our IT department is despicable, all they do is glue together Google, Apple, and Microsoft products,
2021-02-22T21:50:55 #kisslinux <acheam> no actual IT happens
2021-02-22T21:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> sounds about right
2021-02-22T21:51:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> my uni's using outlook, and pre sure they've beefed the security so i can't even use mutt
2021-02-22T21:51:03 #kisslinux <dgre> it doesnt matter if its private or not
2021-02-22T21:51:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's okay because it's not illegal!
2021-02-22T21:51:21 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy:  how? No IMAP/SMTP support? I'm sure they'd be at least a little reasonable to changing that
2021-02-22T21:51:27 #kisslinux <dgre> acheam [17:48]:
2021-02-22T21:51:27 #kisslinux <dgre> > and the mailing list system that my school uses doesn't even send multipart emails anymore, just HTML, so I have to hop into W3M to read them
2021-02-22T21:51:27 #kisslinux <dgre> i thought mutt could use lynx?
2021-02-22T21:51:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I did get my school to enable 2FA support, so thats a win
2021-02-22T21:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> providing endusers choice and freedom isn't *profitable* enough
2021-02-22T21:51:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> all hail the GDP
2021-02-22T21:51:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> not sure tbh acheam, been trying to figure that out
2021-02-22T21:52:06 #kisslinux <dgre> midfavila [17:51]:
2021-02-22T21:52:07 #kisslinux <dgre> > but it's okay because it's not illegal!
2021-02-22T21:52:07 #kisslinux <dgre> anything good is one of two things, a. legacy, outdated, deprecated; b. for pedophiles and terrorista
2021-02-22T21:52:16 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  I overstated how inconvinent it is. Its literally just J to view the HTML email in W3M from Aerc
2021-02-22T21:52:26 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy:  ironically, send them an email
2021-02-22T21:52:38 #kisslinux <dgre> /! INCONVENIENT /!2021-02-22T21:52:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what, fuck this
2021-02-22T21:52:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just ordering pizza again
2021-02-22T21:53:00 #kisslinux <dgre> nice
2021-02-22T21:53:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully the busses here are running tomorrow so I can get groceries
2021-02-22T21:53:27 #kisslinux <acheam> if the pizza place doesn't know you by name, you're not buying enough pizza
2021-02-22T21:53:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think dominos pays their employees enough for them to care about me lmao
2021-02-22T21:53:52 #kisslinux <dgre> btw
2021-02-22T21:53:56 #kisslinux <dgre> what lang was aerc written in?
2021-02-22T21:54:02 #kisslinux <acheam> not at the rate your buying pizza, that is
2021-02-22T21:54:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  go
2021-02-22T21:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> >go
2021-02-22T21:54:10 #kisslinux <dgre> golang ^____^
2021-02-22T21:54:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like go fuck yourself
2021-02-22T21:54:19 #kisslinux <dgre> thanks but i enjoy mutt ^_______^
2021-02-22T21:54:26 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  whatever works for you
2021-02-22T21:54:34 #kisslinux <dgre> of course of course
2021-02-22T21:54:37 #kisslinux <dgre> its just a mail client
2021-02-22T21:54:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre: https://0x0.st/-8xa.patch
2021-02-22T21:54:57 #kisslinux <dgre> do i apply this to netbsd-curses?
2021-02-22T21:55:56 #kisslinux <dgre> oh
2021-02-22T21:57:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it's a double-bug in mutt
2021-02-22T21:57:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> first, they should include <term.h> to get tigetstr() prototype, and then they would have noticed that it clashed with the reserved name columns they use elsewhere
2021-02-22T22:03:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: considering they're pushing a home baked web mail client, i doubt i'll get anywhere :P
2021-02-22T22:03:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> ew
2021-02-22T22:03:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> sic the FSF on them maybe
2021-02-22T22:03:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> it looks like it connects via office365 or something
2021-02-22T22:05:33 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> How are you gonna fuck up and not include term.h
2021-02-22T22:05:48 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Who gave these people the right to use curses libraries like this
2021-02-22T22:05:51 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Boycott mutt
2021-02-22T22:06:05 #kisslinux <acheam> FSF has a form you can fill out where they'll contact your school for you
2021-02-22T22:06:07 #kisslinux <acheam> I did it
2021-02-22T22:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah I know
2021-02-22T22:06:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> so did I
2021-02-22T22:06:18 #kisslinux <ctb0> boycotting mutt should be easy nice i don't use it already :)
2021-02-22T22:06:22 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy:  let me guess: electron?
2021-02-22T22:06:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> huh i didnt know, was guessing that was pure meme
2021-02-22T22:06:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> ah dont think so
2021-02-22T22:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> no you can actually sic the EFF and FSF on orgs that force dystopic or proprietary shit respectively
2021-02-22T22:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they'll send a volunteer or three to bitch at said org
2021-02-22T22:07:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> wonder if they'd come bother an Aus uni
2021-02-22T22:07:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah proprietary software is a-okay in aus
2021-02-22T22:07:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> what with everything being upside down and all
2021-02-22T22:07:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I literally couldn't list all the proprietary software that I am forced to use on the form
2021-02-22T22:07:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> fuck true
2021-02-22T22:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's only the proprietary software foundation
2021-02-22T22:08:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> which kicks down your door and arrests you for using libre software
2021-02-22T22:08:19 #kisslinux <dgre> here in venezuela, its unironically the opposite
2021-02-22T22:08:33 #kisslinux <dgre> government agencies are forced to write only free software
2021-02-22T22:08:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish Canada was like that
2021-02-22T22:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I wish the world was like that
2021-02-22T22:09:03 #kisslinux <dgre> some years back, there was a laptop-per-child initiative
2021-02-22T22:09:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> our idiot PM signed a deal with Huawei that would have given them exclusive rights to our next-gen telco infra
2021-02-22T22:09:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, yeah
2021-02-22T22:09:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like south american countries and germany are just better in terms of FOSS and i'm not sure why
2021-02-22T22:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> the olpc
2021-02-22T22:09:14 #kisslinux <dgre> it came with an almost libre GNU/Linux
2021-02-22T22:09:17 #kisslinux <dgre> no, it wasn't the OLPC
2021-02-22T22:09:19 #kisslinux <acheam> its just a different culture there
2021-02-22T22:09:20 #kisslinux <dgre> It was Canaima GNU/Linux
2021-02-22T22:09:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> the OLPC is literally the one laptop per child thingie
2021-02-22T22:09:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> "When you enrol you are automatically given access to NUmail, our student email service, which is hosted by Microsoft Office 365."
2021-02-22T22:09:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> :vomit:
2021-02-22T22:09:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me of what my college does
2021-02-22T22:09:48 #kisslinux <dgre> YAY
2021-02-22T22:09:54 #kisslinux <acheam> "given access" like its a privilege
2021-02-22T22:09:56 #kisslinux <dgre> So generous ^_^
2021-02-22T22:10:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i know hey
2021-02-22T22:10:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> students are forced to use office365, an "app store" to download "school-approved" educational programs, all our textbooks are leased through webapp SAAS garbage
2021-02-22T22:10:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if we want to take certifications or exams we have to install remote proctoring garbage
2021-02-22T22:10:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> of course none of it works on loonix
2021-02-22T22:11:07 #kisslinux <dgre> better than using terrorist legacy software though
2021-02-22T22:11:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and WINE and VMs are for cheaters ofc
2021-02-22T22:11:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> god
2021-02-22T22:11:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> i am not sure what my uni does for that stuff, but we use blackboard for assignments/course organisation
2021-02-22T22:11:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me of the time one of the IT teachers at my high school accused me of hacking the school network because I was updating my slackware install
2021-02-22T22:11:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> kek
2021-02-22T22:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I've been lucky that I haven't had to use any spyware like exam monitoring software, except Zoom
2021-02-22T22:12:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I explained what I was doing I was told that "computers on the school network are only allowed to access *secure* networks, Mid"
2021-02-22T22:12:16 #kisslinux <dgre> are those IT teachers really IT teachers?
2021-02-22T22:12:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> zoom will continue to be the bane on my existence
2021-02-22T22:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> amusingly enough the network I was connecting to was u of waterloo's C. science dept
2021-02-22T22:12:38 #kisslinux <acheam> Zoom is pretty much the reason i'm still on Arch most of the time
2021-02-22T22:12:46 #kisslinux <ctb0> If you are teaching IT maybe it's because you couldn't get a realy job?
2021-02-22T22:12:50 #kisslinux <dgre> why not an arch chroot?
2021-02-22T22:12:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got a separate laptop with arch just for zoom
2021-02-22T22:12:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean these are the same teachers who taught java and v. basic (not .NET, OG vbasic) instead of python
2021-02-22T22:12:56 #kisslinux <ctb0> maybe a selection bias for shitty teachers
2021-02-22T22:12:58 #kisslinux <acheam> CS department =/= IT department
2021-02-22T22:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> because python is "too hard"
2021-02-22T22:12:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> im too lazy to setup a chroot tbh
2021-02-22T22:13:21 #kisslinux <dgre> its so hilarious
2021-02-22T22:13:21 #kisslinux <dgre> and sad
2021-02-22T22:13:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least the computer security class was interesting enough
2021-02-22T22:13:38 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre:  I could do that, but I've had issues with Xorg programs in chroots before. Would be worth another shot
2021-02-22T22:13:39 #kisslinux <dgre> these 'teachers' only parrot what they are told to think by bigtech
2021-02-22T22:13:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not even their fault
2021-02-22T22:13:47 #kisslinux <dgre> actually
2021-02-22T22:13:53 #kisslinux <dgre> no, keep that stuff in a separate computer
2021-02-22T22:13:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I do the opposite right now, KISS chroot inside Arch
2021-02-22T22:14:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> tech corps pay gubbermind to force the school districts to use their software and hardware
2021-02-22T22:14:17 #kisslinux <acheam> they don't pay them, they just give it for free
2021-02-22T22:14:19 #kisslinux <acheam> See Google
2021-02-22T22:14:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the teachers can't exactly say "fuck you" when they're basically public servants
2021-02-22T22:14:27 #kisslinux <ctb0> my kiss chroot is inside of arch inside of a kiss vm 0.o
2021-02-22T22:14:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "pay" in this case is "give goods in exchange for services"
2021-02-22T22:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> No school is going to turn down a free service
2021-02-22T22:14:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> but anyways point is it's a systemic thing
2021-02-22T22:14:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> on that note I'm going to finish ordering my food for the next few days
2021-02-22T22:15:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> one mo
2021-02-22T22:15:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh damn they have cherry rootbeer
2021-02-22T22:15:34 #kisslinux <dgre> YAY sh4rm4^bnc
2021-02-22T22:15:37 #kisslinux <dgre> it finally worked
2021-02-22T22:15:44 #kisslinux <dgre> alright, what now
2021-02-22T22:15:54 #kisslinux <dgre> I guess I'll ask someone for their muttrc
2021-02-22T22:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> rc files are always a pain
2021-02-22T22:16:30 #kisslinux <dgre> yep :S
2021-02-22T22:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> i decided to give emacs a shot
2021-02-22T22:16:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like
2021-02-22T22:16:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just... can't dig the philosophy behind it
2021-02-22T22:16:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> same
2021-02-22T22:16:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just dont get it
2021-02-22T22:16:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong, I *love* the core design of emacs
2021-02-22T22:16:56 #kisslinux <dgre> vi clones trump it
2021-02-22T22:16:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> command chords are pure sex
2021-02-22T22:17:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> lisp extensability is awesome
2021-02-22T22:17:08 #kisslinux <dgre> cause its everywhere ^_^
2021-02-22T22:17:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> not a huge fan of command chords tbh but thats personal
2021-02-22T22:17:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and to top it all off it's got an athena UI so it's super lightweight
2021-02-22T22:17:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-02-22T22:17:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> the "it's everywhere" argument is kind of bullshit
2021-02-22T22:17:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> because 1. if that were valid logic we'd all be using windows
2021-02-22T22:17:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and 2. it applies to ed moreso, and to nano at least to an equal degree
2021-02-22T22:18:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> not so much
2021-02-22T22:18:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> ed is opt in on arch
2021-02-22T22:18:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> nobody uses arch on a server or a router
2021-02-22T22:18:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-02-22T22:19:24 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I don't remember why I started out with vim, but it's where I've stayed.
2021-02-22T22:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl i prefer ed to vi
2021-02-22T22:20:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> i started with vim coz i needed it for editing stuff on the uni's redhat cluster
2021-02-22T22:20:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Regular vi as opposed to vim, I do find a bit painful to use.
2021-02-22T22:21:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> neatvi is good
2021-02-22T22:21:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> imo
2021-02-22T22:21:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> vim is even worse than vi xwx
2021-02-22T22:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> recently I've been using tine a lot
2021-02-22T22:21:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really, really, really dig it
2021-02-22T22:21:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been using ed for a bit now
2021-02-22T22:21:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/deadpixi/tine
2021-02-22T22:21:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have looked at tine yeah
2021-02-22T22:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's amazingly comfy
2021-02-22T22:22:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i want to write an extended version with a xaw interface
2021-02-22T22:22:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre: cool
2021-02-22T22:22:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> my main gripe is that it's limited to only ten bindable functions
2021-02-22T22:23:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Nobody uses Arch as a server?? The guys at Linux unplugged are. For the meme, ofc
2021-02-22T22:23:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> and outside of that you gotta use what's provided
2021-02-22T22:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> techtubers are irrelevant and cringe though
2021-02-22T22:23:24 #kisslinux <dgre> yep, i'm using neatvi right now
2021-02-22T22:23:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> motherfucking cloudflare
2021-02-22T22:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> blocking me from my burner email for pizza
2021-02-22T22:23:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i swear to god
2021-02-22T22:24:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> DilynCorner[m], youre using hikari? Have you tried to use Xwayland with it?
2021-02-22T22:24:20 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> I don't need x support :v
2021-02-22T22:24:25 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> No I haven't
2021-02-22T22:24:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> im also appreciating how ed is forcing me to learn regex
2021-02-22T22:24:30 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Don't know why it wouldn't work tho
2021-02-22T22:24:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been tentatively stepping into the waters of regex
2021-02-22T22:25:09 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> At my alma mater they have basically a whole class on regexes
2021-02-22T22:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> added a shuffle function to my ffplay-based music player using it last night which was nifty
2021-02-22T22:25:38 #kisslinux <dgre> reminds me how disappointing mpd was
2021-02-22T22:25:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> turns out, shells have an internal $RANDOM function to generate random data
2021-02-22T22:25:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats wrong with mpd
2021-02-22T22:25:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> ?
2021-02-22T22:25:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's dogshit?
2021-02-22T22:25:52 #kisslinux <dgre> it needs boost
2021-02-22T22:25:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> and dbus
2021-02-22T22:25:57 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> It's bloat
2021-02-22T22:26:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-02-22T22:26:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> fiar
2021-02-22T22:26:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/fiar/fair
2021-02-22T22:26:06 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Lol
2021-02-22T22:26:07 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> fair
2021-02-22T22:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> most of the clients just don't work have the time
2021-02-22T22:26:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/have/half/
2021-02-22T22:26:25 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> most of the clients just don't work half the time
2021-02-22T22:26:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> what am I on today christ
2021-02-22T22:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  why would you use that over /dev/urandom
2021-02-22T22:26:32 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Mpd is fine if you're actually using it the way it's intended...
2021-02-22T22:26:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive found mpc good
2021-02-22T22:26:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> as a client
2021-02-22T22:26:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> because $RANDOM just flat out gives you an integer
2021-02-22T22:26:55 #kisslinux <acheam> cmus works well for my small library
2021-02-22T22:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a lot easier to work with
2021-02-22T22:27:02 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-02-22T22:27:07 #kisslinux <dgre> cmus segfaults for me actually
2021-02-22T22:27:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> so instead of having to use od and figure out something with that mess, I can just use a shell expression to module $RANDOM based on a variable
2021-02-22T22:27:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/module/modulus/
2021-02-22T22:27:45 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> so instead of having to use od and figure out something with that mess, I can just use a shell expression to modulus $RANDOM based on a variable
2021-02-22T22:28:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> you filter out already used returns?
2021-02-22T22:28:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> so you're not repeating tracks until everything's been played?
2021-02-22T22:28:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, this was something I whipped together in like two minutes using sed and a while loop
2021-02-22T22:28:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao yeah fair
2021-02-22T22:28:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I could probably add a simple list to hold what's already been played
2021-02-22T22:29:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> been trying to replace external programs with shell scripts as of late
2021-02-22T22:29:24 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila:  makes sense. Have never really had to work with random data in shell scripts before
2021-02-22T22:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I should probably use a Real Programming Language for this stuff
2021-02-22T22:30:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the first language that I learned to do anything semi-useful in was shell so it's like
2021-02-22T22:30:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> do I want a solution or do I want to fuck around for a week figuring this out
2021-02-22T22:30:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> i'm curious about 2f30's sad
2021-02-22T22:31:07 #kisslinux <acheam> learning a real programming language is worth it IMO, but I only know two pretty sacriligious programming languages
2021-02-22T22:31:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> never heard of them
2021-02-22T22:31:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> looking rn
2021-02-22T22:34:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish fvwm would replace its internal widgets with tk or something
2021-02-22T22:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> also add nested if statements OR a case statement. instead of forcing me to nest functions to open a new if
2021-02-22T22:52:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy shit you guys
2021-02-22T22:52:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> daft punk is retiring
2021-02-22T22:52:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know that has nothing to do with computers at all but like, holy shit
2021-02-22T22:53:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah pretty hectic news
2021-02-22T22:53:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> sad days
2021-02-22T22:53:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the real tragedy of current year
2021-02-22T22:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is literally the worst timeline
2021-02-22T23:23:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao sad requires a netcat with -U option
2021-02-22T23:23:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> busybox's doesn't have it
2021-02-22T23:35:33 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-02-22T23:35:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> specifically it needs to be able to communicate with unix sockets
2021-02-22T23:36:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> big cringe
2021-02-22T23:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> wonder if you could rewrite it to use something else
2021-02-22T23:36:46 #kisslinux <acheam> nc should be posix
2021-02-22T23:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> I haven't experimented with sockets
2021-02-22T23:36:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> its possible
2021-02-22T23:37:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> I figure maybe a FIFO?
2021-02-22T23:37:03 #kisslinux <konimex> <acheam "--> the crazy KISS LInux hater"> fun fact: Drew DeVault *did* asked why KISS went X by default instead of Wayland, but Dylan quickly closed the github thread after answering
2021-02-22T23:37:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> 2f30 does have the openbsd nc but libbsd is a pain to get working
2021-02-22T23:37:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> "we went X instead of wayland because X works"
2021-02-22T23:37:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-22T23:37:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> waylet btfo'd
2021-02-22T23:38:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/99
2021-02-22T23:38:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> a FIFO mp could work
2021-02-22T23:38:32 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks konimex
2021-02-22T23:39:09 #kisslinux <konimex> also went on a rant of why KISS went x86-64 saying it isn't compatible with simplicity at all
2021-02-22T23:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> >xorg is not compatible with the goal of simplicity
2021-02-22T23:39:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> well neither is running a bunch of sandboxed X servers for individual programs
2021-02-22T23:39:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> his wio mimicks rio by using cage for each window
2021-02-22T23:39:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ever used Xephyr?
2021-02-22T23:39:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> that seems extremely inefficient
2021-02-22T23:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i know of xephyr but I don't use it
2021-02-22T23:40:03 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/issues/100
2021-02-22T23:40:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> I only really use a basic X setup
2021-02-22T23:40:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only extensions I have are the basics for xcompmgr, fvwm and xdm
2021-02-22T23:40:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and libxpm because xpms are based
2021-02-22T23:40:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> i'm using sx as my xinit and xwm as my wm
2021-02-22T23:40:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> like
2021-02-22T23:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm too much of a brainlet to program a window manager
2021-02-22T23:41:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> right now, anyway
2021-02-22T23:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> so fvwm is my cope
2021-02-22T23:42:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> i tried making a simple TWM a big ago
2021-02-22T23:42:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> based on catwm
2021-02-22T23:42:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i didnt get far before i gave up
2021-02-22T23:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ultimately I'd absolutely love to write a program that apes the QNX sidebar
2021-02-22T23:42:41 #kisslinux <necromansy> so now im just using mpcpcpc's wm
2021-02-22T23:42:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-02-22T23:42:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then maybe switch back to fluxbox
2021-02-22T23:42:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> fluxbox is super nice
2021-02-22T23:43:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I like fluxbox, but wouldn't use it on the daily
2021-02-22T23:43:47 #kisslinux <acheam> spectrwm is top notch though
2021-02-22T23:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used it on the daily for a while. It can be a *little* clunky at times
2021-02-22T23:44:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> What I'd really like, though, is ctwm+tabbed windows
2021-02-22T23:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> god, that would be pure sex
2021-02-22T23:44:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> super efficient, virtual desktops, *and* window tabbing. perfect
2021-02-22T23:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing that would make it better would be if it stored config data in xresources
2021-02-22T23:45:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> tbh im yearning for a nice x implementation of rio
2021-02-22T23:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> 9wm?
2021-02-22T23:45:05 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> Anyone here know the approximate timeframe in which Dylan created this channel?
2021-02-22T23:45:20 #kisslinux <acheam> 1-2yrs ago
2021-02-22T23:45:22 #kisslinux <acheam> thats all I got
2021-02-22T23:45:27 #kisslinux <acheam> it might be on the website
2021-02-22T23:45:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> alternatively I think 9port might have flat out just ported 8 1/2 to unix
2021-02-22T23:45:31 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> midfavila: 9wm opens new programs in new windows though :V
2021-02-22T23:45:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-22T23:45:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> this
2021-02-22T23:45:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> i was legit typing "with good swallow compat"
2021-02-22T23:45:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man I've never used meme nine
2021-02-22T23:45:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it looks really cool
2021-02-22T23:45:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's the devour program
2021-02-22T23:46:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> but you gotta call it before everything
2021-02-22T23:46:17 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> true dat, if there's anything I like about plan9 its the aesthetics
2021-02-22T23:46:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i always have to double-take when people talk about window managers swallowing other programs
2021-02-22T23:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> because that means something completely different in fvwm world
2021-02-22T23:47:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got a qemu VM of it up on my arch
2021-02-22T23:47:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> its pre nice
2021-02-22T23:47:16 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b:  the first mention of the IRC channel is in this post. https://kiss.armaanb.net/blog/20191117a
2021-02-22T23:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> I think SDF runs a few Plan9 machines
2021-02-22T23:47:23 #kisslinux <xor29ah>  Registered : Aug 10 07:41:29 2019 (1y 28w 1d ago)
2021-02-22T23:47:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i havent had the chance to dig into it a ton
2021-02-22T23:47:33 #kisslinux <acheam> :topic
2021-02-22T23:47:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> isn't it like yoonix on steroids and also totally network transparent?
2021-02-22T23:47:42 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks xor29ah!
2021-02-22T23:48:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> the file system and "everything is a text object" aspects of it are really powerful
2021-02-22T23:48:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that's what I've heard
2021-02-22T23:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> a guy I know IRL used to daily 9front
2021-02-22T23:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtlx1b: Aug 10 07:41:29 2019, thanks to xor29ah. Just want to make sure it didn't get lost.
2021-02-22T23:49:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea how he did, but
2021-02-22T23:49:05 #kisslinux <acheam> is that... possible?
2021-02-22T23:49:11 #kisslinux <acheam> no web browser beyond HTML4 AFAIK
2021-02-22T23:49:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> he doesn't really touch webshit
2021-02-22T23:49:33 #kisslinux <acheam> good on him, but how?
2021-02-22T23:49:37 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd love to do that
2021-02-22T23:49:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> every time I asked him he just kinda shrugged
2021-02-22T23:50:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> said he didn't use it for anything beyond accessing academic papers
2021-02-22T23:50:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> aside from webshit, my biggest needs for gnuuuunix are latex, python for research shit, and zoom
2021-02-22T23:51:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> my school is trying to get my to use virtualbox on KISS. outside of that I just kinda tinker
2021-02-22T23:51:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/my/me
2021-02-22T23:51:21 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> me school is trying to get my to use virtualbox on KISS. outside of that I just kinda tinker
2021-02-22T23:51:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-22T23:51:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> kek
2021-02-22T23:51:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> gfdi
2021-02-22T23:51:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> brb committing sudoku
2021-02-22T23:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> thats... not how regexes work
2021-02-22T23:52:05 #kisslinux <acheam> why doesn't the bot just pass it through sed or smthng
2021-02-22T23:52:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck and I just cut my mouth open on pizza
2021-02-22T23:52:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> today is horrible
2021-02-22T23:52:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh how
2021-02-22T23:52:27 #kisslinux <acheam> thats... unpleasant
2021-02-22T23:52:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not a biologist smh
2021-02-22T23:53:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> pizza is tasty though so it's worth it
2021-02-22T23:53:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah on gahnoo loonix he just lives in emacs
2021-02-22T23:53:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when he can't use emacs he just like... does something else
2021-02-22T23:53:59 #kisslinux <xor29ah> just: /msg chanserv info #kisslinux
2021-02-22T23:54:23 #kisslinux <kiedtlx1b> xor29ah: Ah, thanks! I forgot about cs-info
2021-02-22T23:55:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> i might go back to cmus and drop mpd
2021-02-22T23:56:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> reject advanced media players, embrace ffmpeg
2021-02-22T23:57:07 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Just stare at the binary representation and imagine the notes like true unix users
2021-02-22T23:57:14 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Codecs are bloat
2021-02-22T23:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> unfathomably based take
2021-02-22T23:57:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> purity
2021-02-22T23:57:38 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> The unix way is to write the music you need for the mood you have at the time, tbh
2021-02-22T23:57:40 #kisslinux <acheam> multimedia is bloat
2021-02-22T23:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> just open the binary file in vim and embrace the sound
2021-02-22T23:58:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> true computer users just listen to the EMI their machines generate on a radio
2021-02-22T23:59:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> man homebrew computers in the 70s were so cool
2021-02-22T23:59:59 #kisslinux <DilynCorner[m]> Stop I can only get so erect
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