2021-02-15T01:05:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: meson gives an analogous error, but the build fails
2021-02-15T01:05:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> make has the same error but is nonfatal
2021-02-15T01:05:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> cmake will build it, no error; but libtinyalsa.so.SOVERSION is made xD
2021-02-15T01:07:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm, tried it again in a fresh extracted source tree, works fine on all counts
2021-02-15T01:07:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> must've gotten... dirty? somehow? /shrug
2021-02-15T01:09:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol that's good
2021-02-15T01:39:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> at this point I should just bookmark dslm4515's github
2021-02-15T01:39:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dslm4515/MLFS-S6-Bootscripts
2021-02-15T01:40:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's the reference textbook I've always wanted
2021-02-15T02:15:18 #kisslinux <acheam> Do kiss packages tend to include manpages?
2021-02-15T02:57:36 #kisslinux <humosign> oh nonono
2021-02-15T02:58:38 #kisslinux <humosign> i may be the 1000th person to say about k1ss.org
2021-02-15T02:58:43 #kisslinux <humosign> dylan is really gone for good?
2021-02-15T02:58:53 #kisslinux <humosign> i heard he hasn't been here for moonths
2021-02-15T03:02:48 #kisslinux <ogeid> test
2021-02-15T03:06:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ogeid: your test works
2021-02-15T03:06:41 #kisslinux <dgre> thank you
2021-02-15T03:06:44 #kisslinux <dgre> but i have changed nicks
2021-02-15T03:06:48 #kisslinux <dgre> i will register this one
2021-02-15T03:10:27 #kisslinux <acheam> humosign: you are :) He's been gone two months. k1ss.org expired yesterday, and will go up for auction in 24 days. If we get the domain in the auction, we will send out a poll regarding the future of KISS, if not, we will send it out on March 30
2021-02-15T03:10:58 #kisslinux <acheam> If you need to see the website, I'm hosting a mirror at https://kiss.armaanb.net
2021-02-15T03:11:17 #kisslinux <dgre> I am humosign btw
2021-02-15T03:11:25 #kisslinux <dgre> That's pretty bad
2021-02-15T03:11:36 #kisslinux <dgre> Hopefully the domain is won
2021-02-15T03:12:33 #kisslinux <dgre> Although
2021-02-15T03:12:43 #kisslinux <dgre> Glad to see the distro is still going
2021-02-15T03:22:08 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> btw, for fun, i purchased k1ss.net. not sure if there is anything we want to do with the url at this time, but just in case there are issues with purchasing of k1ss.org, it could be a decent backup.
2021-02-15T03:24:17 #kisslinux <dgre> That's great
2021-02-15T03:24:22 #kisslinux <dgre> Maybe so
2021-02-15T03:24:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think I'm too normie to use s6 :|
2021-02-15T03:32:23 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks mcpcpc[m]. If you want, point it at 138.197.13.194, and I can have it display the same thing that kiss.armaanb.net is displaying
2021-02-15T03:38:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: done.
2021-02-15T03:38:38 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  its up!
2021-02-15T03:39:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I did already change all the hyperlinks in the page to kiss.armaanb.net and i'm too lazy to change it now, but it should make all that much of a difference
2021-02-15T03:42:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: it’s fine. we should still plan on using k1ss.org long term, imho.  but at least we have a few options.
2021-02-15T03:43:22 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-02-15T03:54:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam we can just use the "update" file in community repo for news kiss executes it om every kiss update
2021-02-15T03:55:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> however i feel the behaviour should be changed to just "cat" the file instead of run it as a shell script, cuz someone can put "ssu rm -rf /*" and fuck up a ton of people's systems
2021-02-15T03:56:41 #kisslinux <konimex> <acheam "Do kiss packages tend to include"> if it exists, yes
2021-02-15T03:57:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan: invidious hides your IP only when searching, the video is still fetched from *.googlevideo unless you proxy it through the instance
2021-02-15T03:57:28 #kisslinux <konimex> <dilyn "I think I'm too normie to use s6"> I want to like s6, but man s6-rc's "compiled database" system far too complicated
2021-02-15T03:57:39 #kisslinux <konimex> s/far too/is far too/
2021-02-15T03:57:40 #kisslinux <kissbot> <konimex> <dilyn "I think I'm too normie to use s6"> I want to like s6, but man s6-rc's "compiled database" system is far too complicated
2021-02-15T03:57:47 #kisslinux <dgre> how is it superior over say runit_
2021-02-15T03:57:49 #kisslinux <dgre> ?
2021-02-15T03:58:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i tried using other inits like s6 but couldn't figure out much, busybox's runit implementation is enough for me anyways
2021-02-15T03:58:23 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc, better dependency system, and the ability to handle oneshot "services"
2021-02-15T03:59:17 #kisslinux <konimex> <testuser_[m] "acheam we can just use the "upda"> why not use baselayout post-install to broadcast any important news about kiss?
2021-02-15T04:00:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i feel the update file is better than bumping baselayout every few days
2021-02-15T04:00:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its almost same behaviour anyways
2021-02-15T04:00:38 #kisslinux <konimex> unless you have daily news to share, then I think baselayout is enough, but eh
2021-02-15T04:04:00 #kisslinux <Rio6> I just looked at artix when I was setting up s6
2021-02-15T04:05:45 #kisslinux <Rio6> although I vim bundles to enable/disable services rather than using wacky s6-rc-bundle
2021-02-15T04:22:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> what do we forsee as being 'news' though?
2021-02-15T04:22:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, arch only puts up news articles users have to see around update time a few times a year
2021-02-15T04:23:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> konimex: s6-rc's compiled database is interesting; I wouldn't say it's overly complicated (I say that having very little clue what it actually is doing), but it's certainly an odd step to have for a 'simple' system
2021-02-15T04:25:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> re: news, in the short time id imagine mostly info about infrastructure, sites, etc
2021-02-15T04:26:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> would we even need long-term news once k1ss.org/alternative is up and we have the repos running, however we end up doing them?
2021-02-15T04:41:09 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: oh Lol I didn't even know that file existed
2021-02-15T05:27:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I envisioned news as being breaking changes in the repos, like the /var/db/kiss/repo symlinks, firefox potentially needing gtk2 again, etc
2021-02-15T05:27:19 #kisslinux <acheam> Which it looks like the updates file is already used for
2021-02-15T05:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam> so forget I said anything in the first place :)
2021-02-15T06:56:13 #kisslinux <tink> Why is the hummingbird init quite unpopular?
2021-02-15T06:57:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i don't think it's been advertised much, isn't packaged anywhere out of kiss community i assume
2021-02-15T07:26:54 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Testuser_[m]:  but im using the invidious api arent i? I thought when fetching those links, I didnt use google.video at all. I usually do proxy from inviduous. But sometimes its slow as fuck, or straight up doesnt work. Thus I started using mpv instead.
2021-02-15T07:30:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if you directly put it into mpv its probably not gonna proxy
2021-02-15T07:31:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and proxying videos to hide your ip from google is eh, cuz most sites don't rely on ip to track you
2021-02-15T07:31:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> most people have dynamic IPs
2021-02-15T07:32:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Regarding news; well, usefull Info is what should be posted. Similarly to the post-install recently about sls renaming to ssu. I personally knew of the switch, but didnt know it was pushed to the repo before the message.
2021-02-15T07:33:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah, Im aware. Its more of a principle, like using a vpn/tor to hide your activity
2021-02-15T07:33:52 #kisslinux * sad_plan shrugs
2021-02-15T07:56:38 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Did midfavila leave? He hasnt been active for almost 2 weeks now
2021-02-15T07:58:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe
2021-02-15T07:58:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> probably
2021-02-15T08:02:40 #kisslinux <protonesso> pax mprotect
2021-02-15T08:40:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ?
2021-02-15T08:57:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> there's been some user leakage even just before Dylan disappeared
2021-02-15T09:33:35 #kisslinux <tink> I myself had gone mia from a community I was very invested in because I had to focus on something that was going to have a drastic effect on my life; so I am not sure if I have an experience close enough to qualify to make a judgement but I'd say people tend to come back. Though, I do remember notifying people in the community before leaving, I also told them I was going to be back in a year. Anyway, it's just my take on it and there's a high chance that I am
2021-02-15T09:33:35 #kisslinux <tink> an ass who cannot empathize with anyone and just assumes everything out of the blue.
2021-02-15T11:12:34 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> hi, is k1ss.org down? i see some registered "namecheap" message
2021-02-15T11:17:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Evil_Bob: the domain has expired, will be on auction in a few weeks and we'll hopefully get it. Till then the site is on kiss.armaanb.net
2021-02-15T11:21:45 #kisslinux <travankor> is someone going to try to get the subreddit?
2021-02-15T11:22:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah dilyn requested it
2021-02-15T11:22:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> on redditrequest or whatevr
2021-02-15T11:22:51 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> testuser_[m]: ok thanks
2021-02-15T11:44:26 #kisslinux <tracer^afk> For those who missed it: 04:22 mcpcpc[m]: btw, for fun, i purchased k1ss.net. not sure if there is anything we want to do with the url at this time, but just in case there are issues with purchasing of k1ss.org, it could be a decent backup.
2021-02-15T11:45:33 #kisslinux <tracer> It points to a mirror.
2021-02-15T11:48:17 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> no k1ss.xxx?
2021-02-15T12:13:40 #kisslinux <tracer> The QT browser all suck. otter and viper were able to start after I symlinked /usr/share to /. viper was not reacting to keyboard inputs, otter frooze very soon. I just built some package for kdevelop, try to checkout how to build a simple browser myself.
2021-02-15T12:14:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> all browsers suck
2021-02-15T12:16:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> browsers suck coz the web sucks..the web needs to change first and i dont see that happening soon
2021-02-15T12:16:37 #kisslinux <necromansy> :<
2021-02-15T12:19:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> reject web, return to monke
2021-02-15T12:19:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> or gemini
2021-02-15T12:19:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> if only i didnt need web
2021-02-15T12:20:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> embracing monke hard
2021-02-15T13:06:30 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Hey, guys. I'm having a problem with $KISS_PATH as non-root/
2021-02-15T13:06:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> where is it defined?
2021-02-15T13:07:44 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> I specify the $KISS_PATH as /root/.repos/main:/root/.repos/community... etc. etc.
2021-02-15T13:07:52 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> It works on root, but not in a normal user.
2021-02-15T13:08:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> you can define it in $HOME/.profile
2021-02-15T13:08:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> it doesn't need to be defined in the root path
2021-02-15T13:08:27 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Oh, wait, I'm dumb. Normal user *can't* access /root/.
2021-02-15T13:08:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> ye
2021-02-15T13:08:38 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> I forgot about that.
2021-02-15T13:08:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao all g
2021-02-15T13:09:34 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Well, .repos is in root's home dir, not mine, so, how would this work?
2021-02-15T13:09:41 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Do I have to move it somewhere else?
2021-02-15T13:09:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> just git clone the repos into a directory in $HOME
2021-02-15T13:10:10 #kisslinux <tracer> I have all my repos below /var/lib/osx  < osx being the name of my fork.
2021-02-15T13:10:52 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> I mean, I could use /var/db/kiss/repo/ probably.
2021-02-15T13:11:49 #kisslinux <tracer> you could, but not if you care about FHS
2021-02-15T13:12:04 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Oh, yeah, I care about that.
2021-02-15T13:12:40 #kisslinux <tracer> Then use /var/lib, /var/db is not allowed, its even wrong to have the manifests there.
2021-02-15T13:13:34 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Alright.
2021-02-15T13:18:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jaafarrc still in qemu or installed on real hw?
2021-02-15T13:19:20 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> QEMU
2021-02-15T13:20:25 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> Btw, thanks, tracer.
2021-02-15T13:20:30 #kisslinux <jaafarrc> It works fine now.
2021-02-15T13:20:38 #kisslinux <tracer> welcome
2021-02-15T15:16:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: do you have no gui toolkit installed ?
2021-02-15T15:51:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> this was perhaps a waste of time.  but i thought it would be interesting to see if i could simplify the K1SS site… https://mcpcpc.com/KISS-Linux/
2021-02-15T16:03:52 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm, it seems like a LOT of hard to follow text. I would get bored of reading it pretty quickly
2021-02-15T16:04:27 #kisslinux <acheam> Also, it should be a single HTTP request (right now its 3)
2021-02-15T16:04:45 #kisslinux <acheam> Are the links at the top supposed to work? they 404 right now
2021-02-15T16:06:39 #kisslinux <acheam> Also, according to lighthouse: there should be a meta description tag and bigger tap targets for mobile
2021-02-15T16:17:17 #kisslinux <acheam> TIL `clear` is part of ncurses
2021-02-15T16:28:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "Are the links at the top suppose"> nope.  i just threw this together for the layout.  to see if it would be worth pursuing converting the content to this format
2021-02-15T16:29:36 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "hmm, it seems like a LOT of hard"> agreed.  but there is a lot of content that dylan put out.  i think it’s nice to gave the guidestones front and center though. people rarely review them.
2021-02-15T16:31:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam it's provided as a shell builtin too
2021-02-15T16:31:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> actually no
2021-02-15T16:31:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i got confused with busybox
2021-02-15T16:34:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> really.. the only benefit i see to this site proposed format is a flatter structure.  anyway, i will polish it up a bit
2021-02-15T16:34:35 #kisslinux <konimex> the format looks like rst, I like it
2021-02-15T16:36:03 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> konimex: yup. that’s the idea.
2021-02-15T16:47:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I will agree that the current site's structure is a mess, although I do think that there is benefit to not having everything on a single page
2021-02-15T16:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I have strong web design opinions, though
2021-02-15T16:56:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> everything on one page seems eh
2021-02-15T17:06:47 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i removed the guidestones for the time being ^^.
2021-02-15T17:09:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> perhaps they could reside on the wiki or FAQ side of things.
2021-02-15T17:11:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_[m]: no gtk or qt here!
2021-02-15T17:14:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: nice! I was gonna try getting rid of gtk too but not very keen on figuring out why chromium segfaults with use_gtk=false :p
2021-02-15T17:17:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-02-15T17:18:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm glad I don't have that problem :v
2021-02-15T17:18:23 #kisslinux <tink> Is mupdf in any of the kiss-community repos
2021-02-15T17:19:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> zathura-pdf-mupdf is in community, is that the same thing?
2021-02-15T17:19:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh, no it isn't
2021-02-15T17:19:55 #kisslinux <tink> The thing with finding these is that I for example search for hummingbird, which yields no results because it is called hummingbird-git. I don't know if there is a better way to search for them.
2021-02-15T17:20:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> why do we have the plugin for zathura and not the actual thing...
2021-02-15T17:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't like that we call git packages foo-git :S
2021-02-15T17:20:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can use globs tho. `kiss s 'humm*` would find it
2021-02-15T17:20:55 #kisslinux <tink> necromansy is using mupdf apparently, that's why I thought it was in one of the repos
2021-02-15T17:21:02 #kisslinux <tink> What do you guys use as a pdf reader
2021-02-15T17:21:13 #kisslinux <tink> Or Postscript
2021-02-15T17:21:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium :vvvvv
2021-02-15T17:21:54 #kisslinux <tink> dilyn: Using globs completely solved my issue I think, thanks.
2021-02-15T17:22:00 #kisslinux <tink> Oh...
2021-02-15T17:24:55 #kisslinux <claudia02> mcpcpc : Big ups for irc2. Its a bit on the hard side to read. But for what it is, a lovely script.
2021-02-15T17:25:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: why don't you use links to kiss repos in kiss-me ? for sources/version
2021-02-15T17:25:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hello claudia
2021-02-15T17:29:45 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloooha :D
2021-02-15T17:30:44 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> claudia02: ty!  any specific examples on what is hard to read?
2021-02-15T17:31:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> not a huge fan of symlinks lol
2021-02-15T17:31:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't have any good reason to not just maintain my own packages
2021-02-15T17:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's only about 130 packages and most of them don't see updates very often
2021-02-15T17:32:28 #kisslinux <claudia02> mcpcpc:  Its about layout/first look. Its not so intuitive to identify which nick sends what.
2021-02-15T17:33:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> Something what color would solve probably.
2021-02-15T17:33:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> claudia02: oh gotcha. yeah. that’s bc its just the raw irc stream. you should be able to pipe it to modify colors.  one sec
2021-02-15T17:34:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> here are some good examples (page is in french): https://web.archive.org/web/20201125141857/http://prx.ybad.name/19.html
2021-02-15T17:36:44 #kisslinux <tink> dilyn: The strange thing is it says the plugin for zathura depends on the actual thing, so I don't get how we can build zathura-pdf-mupdf without mupdf
2021-02-15T17:37:10 #kisslinux <konimex> <dilyn "it's only about 130 packages and"> how do you track the updates though since to me opening repology every now and then are just not ideal
2021-02-15T17:43:07 #kisslinux <claudia02> mcpcpc: thank you. I try do play with it.
2021-02-15T17:44:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> for dir in core extra wayland gpl; do kiss-outdated /var/db/kiss/personal/$dir; done
2021-02-15T17:47:56 #kisslinux <tracer> konimex: kis-outdated . in every repo.Currently i do it manualy, later via cron.
2021-02-15T17:48:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-outdated op fr fr
2021-02-15T17:54:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Houps, osrry, killed X by mistake
2021-02-15T17:56:08 #kisslinux <tracer> Doe anyone know libmspack? Is it in any repo?
2021-02-15T17:59:15 #kisslinux <tracer> I have currently 397 packages. I mange them all myself, because my setup with glibc and systemd differs from most other setups.
2021-02-15T18:00:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> 397?!?!?!
2021-02-15T18:00:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have like 88 packages installed. 79 if I just use busybox
2021-02-15T18:01:00 #kisslinux <tracer> Thats what neofetch says
2021-02-15T18:01:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even want to know what you do lmfaooo
2021-02-15T18:01:39 #kisslinux <tracer> kiss l|wc -l confirms :)
2021-02-15T18:02:39 #kisslinux <tracer> Well, complete KF5 ~80 packages. Plasma about the same, the first 10 or so KDE Apps. Today I build kdevelop which demanded a few other packages, it sums up.
2021-02-15T18:03:46 #kisslinux <tracer> And qt ist just a single gib package, not 10 or more small ones.
2021-02-15T18:05:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Dylin: how thr heck are you managing to have 88 packages? I can bearly keep it less than 100. Got roughly over ~110
2021-02-15T18:06:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> s/thr/the
2021-02-15T18:06:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <sad_plan> Dylin: how the heck are you managing to have 88 packages? I can bearly keep it less than 100. Got roughly over ~110
2021-02-15T18:16:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2PxM
2021-02-15T18:16:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> wayland is bae
2021-02-15T18:16:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> xlibs are bloat for my pkg count (:
2021-02-15T18:17:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah, xorg has alot of deps tbh. Maybe time to check out wayland
2021-02-15T18:17:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i uninstalled s6* which I'm not using and went back to sysmgr it'd be 84...
2021-02-15T18:17:45 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Amazing
2021-02-15T18:17:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> If i switched to wld/voxel etc there would be even fewer I imagine
2021-02-15T18:18:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I mean considering my arch install that I had before was like, 900 pkgs
2021-02-15T18:18:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is quite the reversal
2021-02-15T18:20:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Thats alot. I had around ~800 or so on my desktop running artix prior to me reinstalling it. Had xfce4 and alot of other bs that came with the iso. In any case. That few packages in rather amazing tbh
2021-02-15T18:39:55 #kisslinux <sad_plan> why on earth does not always kiss find packages, even though their in kiss_path? alot of times if I search for packages I cant seem to find it, even though I write the full name of the package.. really annoying. I know I can just use grep to find it, but still
2021-02-15T18:45:29 #kisslinux <tracer> locate <name>|grep?
2021-02-15T18:46:30 #kisslinux <tracer> kiss really needs an overhaul. kiss-own never any shows a result.
2021-02-15T18:47:40 #kisslinux <sad_plan> locate isnt a command on my system. and grep wont accept an empty input on its side. not on my system anyway
2021-02-15T18:47:42 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-15T18:48:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I have to use find . | grep $pkg
2021-02-15T18:48:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and possibly | less
2021-02-15T18:48:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> if output is alot of bs. altough i can scroll up
2021-02-15T18:54:44 #kisslinux <tracer> For locate you can use mlocate or findutils. That was just an example, this would be a real command "locate myprogramm|grep repo"
2021-02-15T18:55:48 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, find doesn't nee that "." when you are under linux, tahts BSD-style, Solaris demanded it.
2021-02-15T18:56:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> aah, I see. I was under the impression that locate was an already implemented command
2021-02-15T18:56:23 #kisslinux <sad_plan> so just find | grep $pkg then?
2021-02-15T18:56:41 #kisslinux <tracer> That should work, yes.
2021-02-15T18:57:16 #kisslinux <tracer> No, locate is an programm on its own, mlocate, slocate, there are different implementations.
2021-02-15T18:57:59 #kisslinux <tracer> On my KISS it's handled by findutils.
2021-02-15T18:58:05 #kisslinux <sad_plan> and it worked. aah, the more you know.
2021-02-15T18:58:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yeah, I just built findutils, so gonna check it out. always nice to find new stuff to further ones productivity or just learn
2021-02-15T18:59:21 #kisslinux <tracer> KISS is a fun way to learn :) Did you already "play" LFS?
2021-02-15T19:00:33 #kisslinux <tracer> I used (B)LFS to bootstrap my system, as none of the works was with glibc and systemd, only either or.
2021-02-15T19:00:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I was actually in the middle of starting it, but virtualbox on my artix install is just not having it. keeps hanging and freezing all the time. so I just had enough of it for now, I decided to just boot back into kiss instead :p maybe Ill try again tomorrow, or just reinstall artix, or something, maybe that fixes some stuff. wanna try obarun anyway, because it lacks elogind
2021-02-15T19:01:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> cool. Ive been thinking about doing it for a long time, but didnt feel like I was really in a state where I was able to. but I wanted to get started just recently. figured I was also gonna install it to metal aswell once I get my new nvme
2021-02-15T19:02:41 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, when using locate: If you add stuff like repos or so, do a "updatedb" as root to scan for the changes.
2021-02-15T19:07:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> for some reason, updatedb wont work. it fails to generate locatedb.n
2021-02-15T19:15:55 #kisslinux <tracer> Are you root?
2021-02-15T19:21:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ive tried both ssu and as root, yes
2021-02-15T19:21:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> find: unrecognized: -fstype
2021-02-15T19:25:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Hm, strange.
2021-02-15T19:29:58 #kisslinux <aarng> bb find simply does not have that option
2021-02-15T19:30:05 #kisslinux <tracer> Thats how it looks on my kiss: https://pastebin.24unix.net/?ec5e2a9d2f40732d#5n1SKUdPqbhQNrPxZBPd8mmFPWa4mFHBLn25jUVRTnv1
2021-02-15T19:39:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> couldnt get the paste data.
2021-02-15T19:39:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-02-15T19:40:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's more ram than i've ever had on every computer i've ever owned, combined
2021-02-15T19:49:48 #kisslinux <tracer> thats just a vm, dilyn :)
2021-02-15T19:50:27 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/?ec5e2a9d2f40732d#5n1SKUdPqbhQNrPxZBPd8mmFPWa4mFHBLn25jUVRTnv1
2021-02-15T19:51:04 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> tweaked http://mcpcpc.com/k1ss a bit.  moved the guidestones to a separate page.
2021-02-15T19:51:29 #kisslinux <tracer> sad_plan: I just pasted it in one line again. I made a new pastebin, even with YOURLS as a shortener, but somehow later I housed it, will fix it later, then tha pastes will be shorter agein. But privatebin rocks :)
2021-02-15T19:53:10 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: I gave the VM 48 Gigs, and the /tmp uses 50% of it for tmpfs, it's quite performing.
2021-02-15T19:54:20 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: not the biggest fan of the /* */ headings
2021-02-15T19:56:25 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: dang it.  lol
2021-02-15T19:57:06 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm sure some poeple like it, its just not in my personal style!
2021-02-15T19:58:15 #kisslinux <tracer> It only uses about 80 chars space, looks empty on a hidpi display
2021-02-15T19:58:29 #kisslinux <tracer> I'd at least center the content.
2021-02-15T19:58:47 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I think centering is needed on narrow content... thats what I do with all my websites
2021-02-15T19:58:56 #kisslinux <acheam> and its still 3 http requests
2021-02-15T19:59:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> 80chars is consistent with what dylan had =P
2021-02-15T19:59:11 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> fine.
2021-02-15T19:59:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I like the narrow content
2021-02-15T19:59:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i will fix that.
2021-02-15T19:59:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I would also not use ch padding, it looks off on mobile devices
2021-02-15T20:00:28 #kisslinux <tracer> If oyu want to keep it to one request (why?) you'd have to base64 decode the image or deliver it as a svg
2021-02-15T20:00:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: it’s all ch padding
2021-02-15T20:00:55 #kisslinux <acheam> I know, mcpcpc[m]
2021-02-15T20:01:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> huh
2021-02-15T20:01:23 #kisslinux <acheam> tracer:  one request reduces the complexity of the site and the overall size
2021-02-15T20:01:43 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  I was reccomending *not* using ch for anything besides the width :)
2021-02-15T20:01:50 #kisslinux <acheam> But thats subjective
2021-02-15T20:01:59 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll have to leave soon. But if needed, I can try to convert the kiss image to a svg tomorrow.
2021-02-15T20:02:30 #kisslinux <acheam> The old kiss website already had a base64 encoded favicon
2021-02-15T20:02:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a high res png of the logo if anyone needs it
2021-02-15T20:02:58 #kisslinux <tracer> Er, forget about that, ItÄs a unicode not an image, right?
2021-02-15T20:03:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the logo in the top left of mcpcpc[m]'s site is a unicode character
2021-02-15T20:03:28 #kisslinux <acheam> the favicon/logo of the old kiss website was a gif image
2021-02-15T20:03:54 #kisslinux <aarng> I'd use markdown headers and keep the bullet points plaintext
2021-02-15T20:03:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "the favicon/logo of the old kiss"> was temporary.
2021-02-15T20:04:05 #kisslinux <aarng> you can indent using spaces
2021-02-15T20:04:16 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah, I agree with aarng
2021-02-15T20:05:13 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> scratch 1 http request
2021-02-15T20:05:31 #kisslinux <sad_plan> tracer: shiet, thats alot of ram. ive only got 16gb on mine, and that feels alot, compared to what alot of you guys say you have :p
2021-02-15T20:06:40 #kisslinux <tink> It's probably because I'm inexperienced but I don't get why people don't link referenced programs. Sowm, for instance, uses st by default. It's quite a popular terminal so I can easily find it but it also uses bri for brightness controls. I don't think I can find what bri is honestly.
2021-02-15T20:06:49 #kisslinux <tracer> sad_plan: I bougth a new iMac for my office a few month ago, added 128G aftermarket RAM on top. I earn my money with that thing.
2021-02-15T20:06:50 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  "I don't know if I'll keep this around or not, time will tell. Regardless, this was a fun excercise!" Given that he kept it for a while, I'd assume it was supposed to be decently permanent
2021-02-15T20:08:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> holy shiiet, I can only dream of having 128gb of ram. what do you even use that thing for to need that kind of ammount?
2021-02-15T20:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  whats the script tag on the page for?
2021-02-15T20:08:44 #kisslinux <tink> Obviously I can replace it with, say, brillo but more often than not I like going with Dylan's defaults to some extent
2021-02-15T20:09:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: that’s something jeykll-seo embeds
2021-02-15T20:10:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> tracer: I got findutils working. i forgot to do a kiss a on them. now I got it working.
2021-02-15T20:10:39 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  "No JavaScript is used anywhere on the website. It isn't needed and is therefore omitted. Each page is strictly a document comprised of information."
2021-02-15T20:10:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: will remove it shortly
2021-02-15T20:10:45 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-02-15T20:10:58 #kisslinux <tracer> sad_plan: I own my monex with webhosting and writing custom PHP and Javascript stuff. 128 was the maximum, I had the money, so I took it, plenty of space for VM. I can have 5 VM running at the same time withput any hassles.
2021-02-15T20:11:42 #kisslinux <tracer> fine, sad_plan. I'm stil new with KISS, I need locate alot.
2021-02-15T20:12:32 #kisslinux <tracer> Muss leave, cu, try to read back tomorrow.
2021-02-15T20:12:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> always nice to have a system that isnt restricting you in your stuff
2021-02-15T20:13:01 #kisslinux <sad_plan> c u
2021-02-15T20:13:37 #kisslinux <acheam> how do we feel about merging some of the open PRs on the kiss package manage into kiss-community?
2021-02-15T20:16:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: isn't bri just his own brightness script
2021-02-15T20:18:52 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "mcpcpc:  "I don't know if I'll k"> acheam: what was this in reference to?
2021-02-15T20:18:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm I guess not. Must be confused
2021-02-15T20:19:11 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  sorry, that was what Dylan said about the favicon on k1ss.org
2021-02-15T20:20:35 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: oh. gotcha. i do like it.  give me a few to update it.
2021-02-15T20:23:28 #kisslinux <aarng> I would only merge #202 and #212, acheam
2021-02-15T20:24:04 #kisslinux <aarng> obviously biased on #202 though
2021-02-15T20:24:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-15T20:24:45 #kisslinux <aarng> I feel like #208 there is almost certainly a better way and #211 is working as intended, no?
2021-02-15T20:25:07 #kisslinux <aarng> like why make an exception for /
2021-02-15T20:25:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: know any tricks for getting the markdown-like headers in css?  it’s been probably 10years since i have done any web development (well, not including my blog). the solutions i have seen using pseudo-elements create static elements.
2021-02-15T20:29:29 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: just write the text with them there? Besides that I don't see any solution besides pseudo elements or sed-ding them in
2021-02-15T20:32:40 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "mcpcpc: just write the text with"> mm yeah. was hoping not to.  mostly thinking that the format may carry over to the wiki eventually. ok. i’ll do some more digging.
2021-02-15T20:34:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I really think that the current website system used by both this new version and the old one isn't sustainable
2021-02-15T20:34:41 #kisslinux <acheam> My vote would be markdown which is converted to HTML for the website, and plaintext for the in-system documentation
2021-02-15T20:35:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> agreed.
2021-02-15T20:43:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> made the project public now: http://github.com/mcpcpc/k1ss
2021-02-15T20:59:32 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  that is quite the commit history lol
2021-02-15T21:01:07 #kisslinux <acheam> can I ask why you're building this? Ie; are you planning on this being the actuall k1ss.org replacement, and if so, before you potentially waste too much time on it, we should discuss it.
2021-02-15T21:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> discuss it as a community, that is
2021-02-15T21:02:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> as i said earlier, i am doing it for fun :)
2021-02-15T21:03:02 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-02-15T21:03:53 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i dont intend for it to go anywhere. just a concept. plus, i wanted to learn a bit about jekyll.  have not messed with it too much.
2021-02-15T21:05:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> also, needed a break from working on developing a text editor: https://github.com/mcpcpc/sane
2021-02-15T21:05:38 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> you may recognize the commit history is much cleaner :)
2021-02-15T21:06:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> well actually. that one is a mess too lol
2021-02-15T21:06:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'upgrade' literally all the code is added
2021-02-15T21:06:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sigh
2021-02-15T21:07:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'update' all of the previously added code is removed
2021-02-15T21:07:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> expert coder
2021-02-15T21:07:09 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-15T21:07:39 #kisslinux <acheam> git commits should display what changed, not just that something changed, or what files changed
2021-02-15T21:12:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> my commit messages are not good.  i recognize that. amateur at best.  i have worked to improve that though. e.g.  https://github.com/mcpcpc/xwm/blob/main/CHANGELOG.
2021-02-15T21:14:07 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp:  what happend to PR #107?
2021-02-15T21:14:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean you can always go back and change commit messages
2021-02-15T21:14:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd imagine you could even pluck out particular diffs and sections and make them their own commits with their own messages
2021-02-15T21:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have multiple people working on a project, than can get icky
2021-02-15T21:14:47 #kisslinux <acheam> git rebase is very powerful, though
2021-02-15T21:14:55 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git-rebase.io/
2021-02-15T21:15:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you look at my commit messages you can tell when I get very irritated by what I'm working on
2021-02-15T21:27:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: i figured i should let konimex fix it, im not the maintainer
2021-02-15T21:30:42 #kisslinux <acheam> Okay. In the future, could you put a reason after you close it?
2021-02-15T21:32:22 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "if you have multiple people work"> dilyn: i think this is a good point. my collaborative projects have been limited. and mostly others contributing to my projects. i design hardware for my day job, no code. i am in awe of the work that the people do here, in this community and others.
2021-02-15T21:34:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm the same pretty much -- everything I version control is just for myself
2021-02-15T21:34:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> hardware design is infuriating
2021-02-15T21:34:24 #kisslinux <acheam> SQLite: "Small. Fast. Reliable. Choose any three." -- genius
2021-02-15T21:34:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only reason I use commit messages to make parsing git log for commits to revert easier lmao
2021-02-15T21:35:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I pretend like thousands of people are using my code, when really nobody is. Helps me to stay professional with it
2021-02-15T21:39:02 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam: well if you don't do that, you end up like openssl did
2021-02-15T21:39:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i like the approach. i do get really sloppy when it comes to commuting to the master branch. before publicly “sharing”, i have been in the habbit of deleting the entire repo and commiting the source in a new repor.
2021-02-15T21:39:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> "commit history? no this is all one take"
2021-02-15T21:39:29 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> repo*
2021-02-15T21:39:32 #kisslinux <acheam> lol noocsharp
2021-02-15T21:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> "perfect code every time"
2021-02-15T21:39:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yup lol
2021-02-15T21:40:10 #kisslinux <acheam> It seems like I am in the minority here, but I always keep my repos public, even when they are under heavy development
2021-02-15T21:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> no reason to hide them, I just put a disclaimer in the readme
2021-02-15T21:40:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i usually do as well and just assume no one is looking. lol. i kept the website private as i didnt want to cause any confusion.
2021-02-15T21:41:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> will probably make it private again after the previous discussion
2021-02-15T21:42:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i apologize to the community for the confusion:3
2021-02-15T21:46:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i was looking at dylan's k, and the commit messages are some of the best ive ever seen
2021-02-15T21:47:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the things dylan writes are absolutely hilarious
2021-02-15T21:47:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> nss' build script is still my absolute favorite
2021-02-15T21:47:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> in k, all of the commit messages are either 'push' or 'update'
2021-02-15T21:47:47 #kisslinux <acheam> commit 2940fae2: "here we go again" lol
2021-02-15T21:48:04 #kisslinux <acheam> my favorite is the kiss
2021-02-15T21:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> testimonials
2021-02-15T21:48:27 #kisslinux <acheam> "Not gonna lie, the attitude of the maintainer kinda makes my skincrawl, but to each their own."
2021-02-15T21:48:44 #kisslinux <acheam> "Just as I thought. No actual simplicity, just some neckbeardscomplaining about software evolving in the last 20 years."
2021-02-15T21:49:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> those two aren't mutually exclusive
2021-02-15T21:50:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-02-15T21:51:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> goat piss distro is best piss distro
2021-02-15T21:52:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh no he took it off the testimonials page!
2021-02-15T21:53:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> disappointment
2021-02-15T21:54:57 #kisslinux <acheam> Removed in commit 9f624c70f762b25a270292df76572a2e5e8983e1
2021-02-15T21:55:10 #kisslinux <acheam> of course, aptly named "update"
2021-02-15T21:56:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-02-15T21:59:00 #kisslinux <tink> How can I make my kiss_path point to github.con/kiss-community instead of github.com/kisslinux?
2021-02-15T22:02:28 #kisslinux <tink> Do I need to delete the directories and git clone kiss-community?
2021-02-15T22:03:05 #kisslinux <acheam> go to your repo and run "git remote rm origin && git remote add origin https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-community && git pull"
2021-02-15T22:03:17 #kisslinux <acheam> thats for community
2021-02-15T22:03:39 #kisslinux <acheam> then go to main and run "git remote rm origin && git remote add origin https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main && git pull"
2021-02-15T22:04:38 #kisslinux <acheam> deleting and recloning would work as well
2021-02-15T22:05:12 #kisslinux <tink> Thank you
2021-02-15T22:28:54 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "can I ask why you're building th"> back to this question. is this a worthwhile effort?  i am directing this to dilyn, as i assume he is the new BDFL.
2021-02-15T22:29:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> per the guidestones, we need a bdfl.
2021-02-15T22:29:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> until the old one returns
2021-02-15T22:29:50 #kisslinux <noocsharp> we could always drop that guidestone until the old bdfl returns
2021-02-15T22:30:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i kinda liked it. lol
2021-02-15T22:30:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> since at this point, its kinda just collaboratively keeping packages up to date
2021-02-15T22:32:01 #kisslinux <acheam> there has been no assumption that dilyn is the new BDFL, although he is a frontruner if we were to continue down that path
2021-02-15T22:32:18 #kisslinux <acheam> there has been talk of abandoning that guidestone
2021-02-15T22:32:36 #kisslinux <acheam> but it should be left to the poll for now
2021-02-15T22:34:06 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i threw out a name ;). i think throwing out the guidestones would make this a different kind of OS.   i agree to the poll tho.
2021-02-15T22:34:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez
2021-02-15T22:34:18 #kisslinux <acheam> personally: my vote is a team-based system, or some kind of delegation of tasks. testuser_[m] handles the repos, I handle the website, infra, etc, someone else handles kiss, someone else handles K, etc. Every aspect of the distro would have its own BDFL
2021-02-15T22:34:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> hoisted by my own pitard
2021-02-15T22:35:18 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-15T22:35:21 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lmao
2021-02-15T22:35:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> The point of a BDFL is to ensure that there is always a single person who will always have the absolute authority to veto a proposal. I think that is the most important feature of, if not most projects, at the very least this one
2021-02-15T22:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> Not saying I want it for myself, that's just my position on the matter and that's why Dylan chose the model
2021-02-15T22:35:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> so then there is no reason to remove the BDFL from the guidestones then?
2021-02-15T22:36:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> That isn't to say there can't be some form of democracy - dylan was always in favor of listening to proposals and was very good at bringing in changes if they made sense to do (were in line with the goals and guidestones)
2021-02-15T22:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> A BDFL model can also fragment the community though... see carbs linux
2021-02-15T22:36:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't se a good reason to say we shouldn't have one. If we drop that requirement, I think KISS becomes a different sort of project. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it would be a departure from the original art
2021-02-15T22:37:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean that's true, but so can democratic initiatives
2021-02-15T22:37:15 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i wasnt saying “no democracy”.
2021-02-15T22:37:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-02-15T22:37:48 #kisslinux <acheam> so where does the line fall between tyranny, democracy, and anarchy?
2021-02-15T22:38:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> most projects with a bdfl don't really care about 'growing the community' perse; they're far more interested in pursuing a particular direction, and if they generate a community around it then that's just an upside
2021-02-15T22:39:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I never meant that "growing the community" be a key thing, I just meant that you shouldn't needlessly reduce your userbase
2021-02-15T22:39:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure
2021-02-15T22:40:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I mean, we already 'needlessly reduce' the userbase don't we? xd
2021-02-15T22:40:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> ala fudspreading, source based, POSIX
2021-02-15T22:40:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-02-15T22:40:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but within the guidestones
2021-02-15T22:41:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I think most people here are on roughly the same page with what KISS should look like - the biggest difference between having a BDFL and not is whether or not we think one person is capable of saying 'no' to ideas that make us stray too far
2021-02-15T22:41:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> And saying 'no' doesn't mean anything more than saying 'I won't upstream this change, but please do it for yourself :)'
2021-02-15T22:43:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> good point
2021-02-15T22:52:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm full of those! :)
2021-02-15T23:12:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> wait. no one answered my question about the website. lol.  damn it.
2021-02-15T23:14:40 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhhh
2021-02-15T23:15:04 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-02-15T23:15:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lmoa.
2021-02-15T23:16:15 #kisslinux <acheam> If it was me: I would reduce the website to just the guidestones and install instructions, and stuff,and put the actual documentation into some other wiki system.
2021-02-15T23:17:27 #kisslinux <acheam> But I think we need to figure out (not imediately, after the poll) what the relationship between the wiki, the website, github, the blog, IRC, and reddit is in terms of communication and support
2021-02-15T23:17:32 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> 100% agree. but based on the feedback, i should take this to a poll on reddit =S.
2021-02-15T23:17:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm not sure the Dylan would have loved jekyll as a platform
2021-02-15T23:17:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sure
2021-02-15T23:17:57 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. yeah. hence his home brew ssg
2021-02-15T23:18:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but personally, i'm not a huge fan of the way that the website repo is structured, with compiled pages in the main repo, especially when the tools used to compile it are all POSIX. This was an unfortunate necesity for github pages though
2021-02-15T23:23:59 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i get why he did it. but yeah.. room for improvement.
2021-02-15T23:31:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> actually, why was he so against using Jekyll?
2021-02-15T23:31:40 #kisslinux <acheam> was he so against using it, or did he just think a custom system would work better?
2021-02-15T23:32:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I just figured because he's the kind of person to write a custom tool to fit a need perfectly rather than to adapt a pre-existing one
2021-02-15T23:32:14 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i guess both!
2021-02-15T23:32:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I always just write my own SSG's and it works find. Usually just using pandoc to convert markdown to html, and then sticking a common header and footer on there. It just takes a few lines of shell
2021-02-15T23:33:06 #kisslinux <acheam> s/find/fine
2021-02-15T23:33:07 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> I always just write my own SSG's and it works fine. Usually just using pandoc to convert markdown to html, and then sticking a common header and footer on there. It just takes a few lines of shell
2021-02-15T23:35:26 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> but it seems unnecessary since GH Pages exists. i don’t see the benefit.  the simpler solution seemed to be to use the one that already exists, has mainstream support and works.
2021-02-15T23:35:28 #kisslinux <acheam> Although for my main website, its getting a little bit more than a few lines of shell. Its about 125 lines rn, but it also generates an RSS feed, syntax highlighting, base64 images, minifed structured text, etc
2021-02-15T23:36:30 #kisslinux <acheam> s distribution has no default desktop or window manager
2021-02-15T23:36:32 #kisslinux <acheam>   environment." - goes to prove that "simple" doesn't mean "easy to
2021-02-15T23:36:34 #kisslinux <acheam>   use"...
2021-02-15T23:36:42 #kisslinux <acheam> argh IRC pasting
2021-02-15T23:36:58 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/ioHS380.png
2021-02-15T23:36:58 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> lol. no worries.
2021-02-15T23:37:27 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/F8ZfoxH.png
2021-02-15T23:37:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ah.  this makes sense. thanks
2021-02-15T23:37:44 #kisslinux <acheam> As usual, the kiss guidestones and testimonials come in handy :)
2021-02-15T23:38:31 #kisslinux <Rio6> why not use a ci to compile and deploy to gh-pages branch for github page
2021-02-15T23:38:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i thought it contradicted another guidestone..
2021-02-15T23:38:57 #kisslinux <acheam> Rio6:  i'm not familiar with GH pages, but that sounds like it'd work
2021-02-15T23:39:15 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  which one?
2021-02-15T23:39:31 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: looking…
2021-02-15T23:39:45 #kisslinux <Rio6> I use this for my own websites and stuff https://github.com/crazy-max/ghaction-github-pages
2021-02-15T23:39:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> it's github specific stuff tho
2021-02-15T23:39:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> also speaking of BDFL vs community, the guidestones explicity state the need for a single BDFL only
2021-02-15T23:40:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> “Avoid the next new shiny thing until or unless certain that it brings real
2021-02-15T23:40:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]>   improvements over what it is intended to replace.”
2021-02-15T23:40:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: this is what i was thinking of.. sorta
2021-02-15T23:40:27 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> but not the same context
2021-02-15T23:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> controversial opinion: we need a setup/installation script for KISS. For a personal install, manually doing it works fine, but for installing on a server or something manual installation is a PITA
2021-02-15T23:40:48 #kisslinux <acheam> not as the main isntallation method, but as an option
2021-02-15T23:40:58 #kisslinux <acheam> and not pushed as the "correct" way to install
2021-02-15T23:41:20 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]:  in this case, i'd call jekyll the new shiny thing
2021-02-15T23:43:01 #kisslinux <acheam> necromansy:  right, but to what extent do the guidestones apply? "There is no requirement to follow or even agree with my words." it says at the top. I'd argue that the only thing that makes kiss kiss is the package manager, not the guidestones. The guidestones simply express the way which the distro is currently being run.
2021-02-15T23:43:08 #kisslinux <acheam> in my opinion, at least
2021-02-15T23:48:41 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <acheam "mcpcpc:  in this case, i'd call "> understood. i had not read it in entirety earlier (while copying them to a markdown doc, lol).
2021-02-15T23:50:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> acheam: yeah i get that, id argue that we should keep to the guidestones as long as they're convinent, since they're "what makes KISS KISS"
2021-02-15T23:50:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> if that makes sense
2021-02-15T23:51:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> ^
2021-02-15T23:51:21 #kisslinux <acheam> sure, yeah of course
2021-02-15T23:52:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> i do get what you mean tho
2021-02-15T23:58:35 #kisslinux <Rio6> I agree it's the guidestones that makes kiss kiss. Like we can rewrite the pm in C and still call the distro kiss, but if we add a bunch of new features to the exsisting pm, like adding more special files to the build dir or turn it into bash, then it wouldn't be kiss anymore
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