2021-01-25T00:01:52 #kisslinux <tracer> acheam: For me it's the only option. GNOME suxx, CDE is still in the 90ies. I want my Linux to look like my macOS, ok, it's just a fun project.
2021-01-25T00:03:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> KDE is super nice
2021-01-25T00:03:24 #kisslinux <tracer> I started with KDE 0.6.7, at the weekend I downloaded ever new versions to floppy disks :) Was in the barracks, no Internet …
2021-01-25T00:03:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I hadn't decided to go all-in on wayland I would go back to it
2021-01-25T00:03:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh man that's old school!
2021-01-25T00:04:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Whats hindering yoi, dilyn? KDE Neon works nicely with Wayland.
2021-01-25T00:04:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just mean a Xorgless system
2021-01-25T00:04:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> unfortunately some KDE bits require a handful of xorg deps
2021-01-25T00:04:56 #kisslinux <acheam> Funnily enough over yesterday/today, I switched away from Plasma to spectrwm
2021-01-25T00:04:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> actually it in fact requires the whole xorg stack but ykwim
2021-01-25T00:05:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Its mandatory for SDDM richt now, but if you start a direct session?
2021-01-25T00:05:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> plasma-desktop requires xorg-server
2021-01-25T00:06:02 #kisslinux <tracer> For any good reason?
2021-01-25T00:06:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably because they haven't properly ported *all* of the underlying code from X
2021-01-25T00:06:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can run wayland natively but I believe some things fallback to xwayland
2021-01-25T00:07:51 #kisslinux <tracer> hmm, ok. I'm short to fall aslepp and that KDE stuff drives me mad. I'll be back tomorrow.
2021-01-25T00:08:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol for sure. hopefully i can figure this out for you! KDE in my experience was a really fantastic experience on KISS
2021-01-25T00:09:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn
2021-01-25T00:50:36 #kisslinux <atkka> hello
2021-01-25T06:33:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-01-25T06:34:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> hihihello
2021-01-25T06:35:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> anybody happen to know personally what's happening here?
2021-01-25T06:35:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> ninja: job failed: python2 "../../build/toolchain/gcc_link_wrapper.py" --output="./schema_org_name_generator" -- c++ -Wl,--build-id -fPIC -Wl,-z,noexecstack -Wl,-z,relro -Wl,-z,now -Wl,-z,defs -Wl,--as-needed -fuse-ld=lld -Wl,--icf=all -Wl,--color-diagnostics -Wl,--no-call-graph-profile-sort -rdynamic -pie -Wl,--disable-new-dtags -o "./schema_org_name_generator" -Wl,--start-group @"./schema_org_name_generator.rsp"  -Wl,--end-group  -lr
2021-01-25T06:35:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need to strip latomic
2021-01-25T06:36:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> is there some sort of global way to make sure -latomic is replaced with -lrt??
2021-01-25T07:37:35 #kisslinux <tink> Oh my god, I was wondering why it was taking my computer more than an hour to compile xorg. Apparently I forgot to add the -j16 makeflag. Now it should be over in a few minutes.
2021-01-25T07:58:10 #kisslinux <Blaklinten> tink: Classic. And when you figure it out some 25 minutes in and go "oh, it'll be done soon..." lol
2021-01-25T08:33:21 #kisslinux <tink> Blaklinten: Haha, that's exactly what happened. Was 40 minutes in, thought it'd be over soon anyway. After I saw that it just kept going at the same speed and still was at something like 50, 60%, I immediately restarted it.
2021-01-25T11:32:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Good morning.
2021-01-25T11:33:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-01-25T11:40:30 #kisslinux <_24unix> Hi testuser[m]_
2021-01-25T11:41:12 #kisslinux <_24unix> Had to change my nick, #qt requires to have a registered nick, and tracer is either gone or the email is outdated.
2021-01-25T13:28:36 #kisslinux <salvia> Hi! I'm currently trying to install k1ss and I've run into the following issue: the second time I run `kiss update` command I receive a bunch of error messages like "Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __sprintg_chk: symbol not found" followed by "make[none or 1 or 2] *** [Makefile:whatever: all or all-recursive or smth] Error 127 or 1 or 2". I've ran into the same issue when I was trying `kiss b
2021-01-25T13:28:42 #kisslinux <salvia> gnupg1` but decided to skip this part, but `kiss update` is essential I guess. Anybody has any idea what to do or where to look for solution? I think I've followed the main guide supplemented by Imitantur video on youtube carefully.
2021-01-25T13:34:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @midfavila https://thenewstack.io/the-open-source-lesson-of-the-linksys-wrt54g-router/
2021-01-25T15:29:39 #kisslinux <_24unix> salvia: what does ldd /lib/libncurses.so.6 say?
2021-01-25T15:34:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> dilyn: qt5-svg has make dep on perl, its not in the deps file
2021-01-25T15:42:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah the wrt54gs is a great device
2021-01-25T15:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I still have one kicking around here somewhere
2021-01-25T15:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's my travel router
2021-01-25T15:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> had to retire it last year though because I wanted to experiment with DNS blocking and its 32mb of RAM just isn't enough for that
2021-01-25T15:43:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> still, if I could upgrade it further, I would
2021-01-25T15:44:05 #kisslinux <tracer> It think I also have 1 or two of them laying around. What do you use them for? WLAN ist quite dated on them.
2021-01-25T15:44:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, even if it's slow, it's stable
2021-01-25T15:44:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and you can whip up an ad-hoc network using one in about five minutes
2021-01-25T15:44:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is always useful
2021-01-25T15:44:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's also good for packet sniffing and stuff
2021-01-25T15:45:10 #kisslinux <tracer> I use Fritz!Mesh, thats stable, too ^^ And pfSende as a router/firewall.
2021-01-25T15:45:40 #kisslinux <tracer> s/pfSende/pfSense/
2021-01-25T15:45:40 #kisslinux <kissbot> <tracer> I use Fritz!Mesh, thats stable, too ^^ And pfSense as a router/firewall.
2021-01-25T15:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've recently been thinking of investing in a rack and retiring what remains of my consumer-grade equipment
2021-01-25T15:46:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> starting to reach the point where that would be beneficial
2021-01-25T15:47:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, a Rack is cool, I've got a 19" network rack for switches, patch panels and stuff.
2021-01-25T15:50:04 #kisslinux <salvia> 	libc.so.6 => ldd (0x7f437d4ac000)
2021-01-25T15:50:04 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __vfprintf_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:04 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __poll_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:04 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __memcpy_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:07 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __vsnprintf_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:09 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __strcpy_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:12 #kisslinux <salvia> Error relocating /lib/libncursesw.so.6: __fprintf_chk: symbol not found
2021-01-25T15:50:19 #kisslinux <dilyn>  do you have ncurses installed?
2021-01-25T15:54:03 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi dilyn Lokks like I screwed up my xorg, lxqt was also failing, libX11 seems housed. I dropped my dir, copied the repo from KISS, now run a kiss b * on it, hth.
2021-01-25T15:55:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmm that's interesting...
2021-01-25T15:56:18 #kisslinux <salvia> I'm not sure if it was installed (I'm clumsier than usual when working in installation environment) but now it is and I receive same messages.
2021-01-25T15:57:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> have you tried rebuilding ncurses
2021-01-25T15:57:29 #kisslinux <salvia> also, sorry for some mess, it's the first time I use this kind of communication and I'm not sure what is the best way to copy and paste (and everything)
2021-01-25T15:57:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Pastebin is a good way to share larger text.
2021-01-25T15:58:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-01-25T15:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> IRC interprets each newline as a seperate message. It's somewhat annoying
2021-01-25T15:58:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd reccomend envs.sh. Easy to use from the command lne, and very short urls
2021-01-25T15:58:47 #kisslinux <tracer> you can use mine if you like: pastebin.24unix.net 9999
2021-01-25T16:00:08 #kisslinux <tracer> When I finished my KISS I'll enable image uploads to pastebin as well. But it's so rare that I used IRC in the last years.
2021-01-25T16:02:34 #kisslinux <salvia> testuser[m]_, I don't think I understand how to approach "rebuilding ncurses"
2021-01-25T16:02:51 #kisslinux <tracer> Thats not bad for a VM :-) kiss b *  510.58s user 76.81s system 103% cpu 9:26.74 total  for the complete xorg dir.
2021-01-25T16:03:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss b ncurses would be the way to rebuild it
2021-01-25T16:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> what are your CFLAGS salvia?
2021-01-25T16:04:12 #kisslinux <salvia> same as in "official guide"
2021-01-25T16:04:53 #kisslinux <salvia> I think now -O2 makes all the difference, but I've tried -O1,3,s as well
2021-01-25T16:05:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is why kiss u would give you errors related to ncurses libs
2021-01-25T16:06:25 #kisslinux <salvia> I've run kiss b ncurses and kiss i ncurses and it stopped erroring after ldd /lib/libncursesw.so.6
2021-01-25T16:06:29 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> maybe they're referring to the first package being built after running kiss u
2021-01-25T16:22:22 #kisslinux <salvia> now it throws the same errors but with /lib/libtextstyle.so.0
2021-01-25T16:22:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss b $(kiss-owns /usr/lib/libtextstyle.so.0)
2021-01-25T16:26:04 #kisslinux <salvia> `kiss-owns /usr/lib/libtextstyle.so.0` returns nothing
2021-01-25T16:26:04 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> How did all this stuff break tho
2021-01-25T16:26:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> funny
2021-01-25T16:27:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> why have gettext
2021-01-25T16:29:31 #kisslinux <ashish> hello there
2021-01-25T16:29:39 #kisslinux <salvia> hi
2021-01-25T16:30:03 #kisslinux <tracer> hi ashish
2021-01-25T16:30:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> dilyn did you figure out the -latomic stuff you asked ?
2021-01-25T16:30:21 #kisslinux <ashish> This is my first time using IRC. I just happened to install birch and landed up here lol
2021-01-25T16:30:28 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hello ashish
2021-01-25T16:30:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> we don't bite
2021-01-25T16:30:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> much, anyway
2021-01-25T16:30:55 #kisslinux <ashish> Hi salvia, tracer, testuser[m and midfavila!
2021-01-25T16:31:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just a chore changing latomic to lrt :| after like 16 hours building chromium I got the same error and spent the last hour investigating everywhere latomic gets added to my flags
2021-01-25T16:31:04 #kisslinux * midfavila waves.
2021-01-25T16:31:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> oof, building chrom*
2021-01-25T16:31:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have decided ccache is worth using lmao
2021-01-25T16:31:20 #kisslinux <tracer> Welcome to IRC. But: Why IRC these days if you are not a tech nerd, and why kisslinux? :)
2021-01-25T16:31:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes it's mighty unpleasant :v
2021-01-25T16:32:05 #kisslinux <tracer> Do you see any benefits of Chrome over Falkon, dilyn?
2021-01-25T16:32:15 #kisslinux <ashish> I wanted to get into IRC for some tech stuff (I am into techy stuff lol). It's just that I've never been able to setup IRC clients for some reason and birch works out of the box!
2021-01-25T16:32:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is why would they demand llvm+clang for building chromium, and yet not do a check for libatomic and just assume it's there...
2021-01-25T16:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: falkon was crashing on reddit and youtube spitting out some strange error so I've been trying out other browsers
2021-01-25T16:33:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> because they probably build everything in a docker image
2021-01-25T16:33:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> firefox won't launch on a wayland only system so we're investigating chromium (:
2021-01-25T16:33:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and don't assume the enduser will build it themselves
2021-01-25T16:33:19 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah you should def use ccache for experimenting with chromium
2021-01-25T16:33:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> nobody should build chromium lfao
2021-01-25T16:33:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I think that if we're gonna switch to another browser it should be iceweasel-uxp
2021-01-25T16:33:31 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it takes 8 fucking hours even with 12 threads
2021-01-25T16:33:35 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> and takes like 20+gb ram
2021-01-25T16:33:45 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: fair enough :-) I could try both on NEON with Falkon if you like.
2021-01-25T16:33:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> laughs in 4core 8gb
2021-01-25T16:34:04 #kisslinux <ashish> cries in 2 cores 4gb
2021-01-25T16:34:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean falkon is just a chromium browser so chromium is probably just better
2021-01-25T16:34:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> cackles in 24 cores 32gb
2021-01-25T16:34:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-01-25T16:34:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i give you my wyverkiss as a tarball will you build chromium for me xD
2021-01-25T16:34:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah sure
2021-01-25T16:35:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me fire up my workstation
2021-01-25T16:35:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> that was a *joke*
2021-01-25T16:35:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> pls don't
2021-01-25T16:35:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> pffffft
2021-01-25T16:35:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-01-25T16:35:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> and it takes like 5 mins to even untar the source
2021-01-25T16:35:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, if you ask nicely... :P
2021-01-25T16:35:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i will ask angrily
2021-01-25T16:35:41 #kisslinux <tracer> 8 cores 128 GB ^^ long enough? :)
2021-01-25T16:35:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I keep thinking the build has failed because my commputer goes silent, but turns out it's just untarring. still.
2021-01-25T16:35:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >only eight
2021-01-25T16:35:50 #kisslinux <salvia> ok, after another rebuild I've managed to finish stage 4 (repository signing)
2021-01-25T16:35:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-01-25T16:36:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> just to be clear are you guys talking about adding chromium as a new "default" browser?
2021-01-25T16:36:26 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i untar'd it once into a btrfs subvolume and made 10 snapshots of it to experiment stuff
2021-01-25T16:36:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> it is in community already
2021-01-25T16:36:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i don't think it'll be welcome as a default
2021-01-25T16:37:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> hopefully it's at least ungoogled...
2021-01-25T16:37:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> as far as i can tell... yes...?
2021-01-25T16:37:30 #kisslinux <tracer> But Falkon uses QtWebEngine, the samel like Chrom …
2021-01-25T16:37:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> but who really knows
2021-01-25T16:37:43 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> yeah it's ungoogled
2021-01-25T16:37:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong, I'm not saying blink shouldn't be allowed
2021-01-25T16:37:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> user choice and all that
2021-01-25T16:37:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> How dare you fucking use a web browser made by Google. You proprietary scum. It may be open source, but Google has done that to trick you simple minded folk into selling your soul to the advertisers. My father, RMS warned me about people like you. This is why I am so much better then you, a disgusting person that participates in the usage of software that is made by puppet masters. Please do the gnu+linux community a
2021-01-25T16:37:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> favor by shoving a rusty nail down your esophagus
2021-01-25T16:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> lel
2021-01-25T16:38:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-01-25T16:38:42 #kisslinux <tracer> ^^ OK, RMS, it's time to take your pill. We'l all go back to KHTML: :)
2021-01-25T16:38:46 #kisslinux <ashish> GNU icecat: "Allow me to introduce myself"
2021-01-25T16:38:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, i just think that presenting google tech as the "default" would be... mmrh.
2021-01-25T16:39:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> not great
2021-01-25T16:39:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the 'default' is firefox :S
2021-01-25T16:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I asked if the discussion was about potentially changing that
2021-01-25T16:39:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I never got an answer
2021-01-25T16:39:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-25T16:39:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i mean you have 3 choices: chromium, firefox, or no browser kappa
2021-01-25T16:39:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow hey
2021-01-25T16:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> pale meme literally exists
2021-01-25T16:39:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh no it's just me dicking around
2021-01-25T16:39:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> > exists
2021-01-25T16:39:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw
2021-01-25T16:39:55 #kisslinux * tracer no Fx as it uses GTK
2021-01-25T16:39:55 #kisslinux <ashish> what about qutebrowser? dilyn
2021-01-25T16:40:06 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i tried qutebrowser but for some reason scrolling was laggy as shit
2021-01-25T16:40:07 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> maybe nvidia moment
2021-01-25T16:40:13 #kisslinux <ashish> F
2021-01-25T16:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm mad at Qt so I don't want to use their stuff xD it's my protest
2021-01-25T16:40:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl I would package iceweasel-uxp if we had gcc8
2021-01-25T16:40:26 #kisslinux <ashish> lol
2021-01-25T16:40:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I'm too lazy to go through the hassle of packaging gcc8
2021-01-25T16:40:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably not that hard
2021-01-25T16:40:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably not
2021-01-25T16:40:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> could always distribute it as a bin
2021-01-25T16:40:53 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> About the proprietary LTS releases thing ? dylan
2021-01-25T16:40:54 #kisslinux <tracer> I' mad ad GTK, they broke the possibilities of KDE to become a CDE descendor.
2021-01-25T16:40:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> dylin
2021-01-25T16:41:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> iceweasel that is
2021-01-25T16:41:02 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> *
2021-01-25T16:41:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> XFCE was the "successor" to CDE fwiw tracer
2021-01-25T16:41:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes testuser, but also just how flakey their build system can be
2021-01-25T16:41:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, bins would be great, but I'm kind of limited in terms of storage space on SDF
2021-01-25T16:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I don't want to inadvertantly invoke the wratch of that cunt tobin
2021-01-25T16:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/wratch/wrath/
2021-01-25T16:42:03 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> and I don't want to inadvertantly invoke the wrath of that cunt tobin
2021-01-25T16:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yes
2021-01-25T16:42:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> who can forget
2021-01-25T16:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HOLD SOURCE CODE IN A REPOSITORY!!!"
2021-01-25T16:42:44 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: They are equally old. None of them used motif. But KDE was way better, IMHO is still way better. And GTK suxx.
2021-01-25T16:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk between qt and gtk3 I choose gtk2
2021-01-25T16:43:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as much as I would like motif to still be feasible it died the second gtk became a thing
2021-01-25T16:43:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also they don't have xft support
2021-01-25T16:43:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> CDE has some very aesthetic icons though
2021-01-25T16:44:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://github.com/jasperla/openbsd-wip/issues/86
2021-01-25T16:44:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh 'prietary squigglies
2021-01-25T16:44:23 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i prefer gtk's look, and qt stuff is pretty fat
2021-01-25T16:44:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-01-25T16:44:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> phat
2021-01-25T16:44:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> ftfy
2021-01-25T16:44:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> also qt is a bitch to use outside of a full-on DE in my experience
2021-01-25T16:44:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it just looks like melted plastic
2021-01-25T16:45:02 #kisslinux <tracer> I once spent two weeks with building a VM: Solaris, Motif, CDE. It was fun. I used to work with those stuff in the 90ies, I even owned a refurbished Sparc 10 with a 24" CRT. Wow, what a monster :-)
2021-01-25T16:45:04 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs.
2021-01-25T16:45:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> sun machines are cool
2021-01-25T16:45:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> petition to make KDE the default for KISS
2021-01-25T16:45:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I could pick up a diamondtron I would
2021-01-25T16:45:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> Qt will thrive
2021-01-25T16:45:38 #kisslinux * midfavila screeches at dilyn
2021-01-25T16:45:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-01-25T16:45:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> melted plastic lmao
2021-01-25T16:45:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> thou art banished to the land of chaos, /dev/urandom
2021-01-25T16:45:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> begone, and never return
2021-01-25T16:45:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> need some smellovision for that too
2021-01-25T16:46:14 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: second that :-)
2021-01-25T16:46:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> make xaw the standard smh
2021-01-25T16:46:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> need to get my rear in gear and figure out if kiss-live can make a proper KDE live USB
2021-01-25T16:47:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think i'm going crazy and sbase grep is faster than ripgrep...
2021-01-25T16:47:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something rust isn't a systems programming language
2021-01-25T16:47:27 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, I cal my fork osx (OS/X) a mixture between OS/2 and Mac OS X, which I both like(d).
2021-01-25T16:47:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> classy
2021-01-25T16:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wouldn't be surprised if sbase was faster in some scenarios though
2021-01-25T16:48:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use sbase instead of gnugrep but kiss doesn't handle recursive deps properly with sbase
2021-01-25T16:48:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-01-25T16:50:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Does anybody know a free pastbin soft like imgurl? For selfhosting? Currently I use fiche, but it' ASCII only.
2021-01-25T16:51:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can self-host 0x0.st for temporary file/image hosting
2021-01-25T16:52:43 #kisslinux <tracer> Looks promising, ominous_anonymou, thx.
2021-01-25T16:53:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> So what do y'all thing is gonna be the future of KISS the package manager if dylan doesn't come back?
2021-01-25T16:53:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it'll obviously have to be community maintained
2021-01-25T16:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but... hrm.
2021-01-25T16:54:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess that depends on what people think isn't "complete" about it?
2021-01-25T16:54:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> I feel like the package manager is already stable
2021-01-25T16:54:16 #kisslinux <tracer> I started with the wish to rewrite in a real language, shel scripting needs too much tricks.
2021-01-25T16:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> like in the sense that there's no more work that can be done on it
2021-01-25T16:54:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> rewrite it in lisp
2021-01-25T16:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> dew it
2021-01-25T16:54:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah like "new feature request" vs. "this doesn't work appropriately"
2021-01-25T16:55:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, new features will have to be kiss modules
2021-01-25T16:55:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> a simple graphical frontend would be nifty but also kind of antithetical
2021-01-25T16:55:42 #kisslinux <tracer> lisp, then I'm forced to use EMACS? Haha. No, I'll will rewrite it in PHP because I know that the best an when working I'll rewrite it again in Swift, as Swift rocks.
2021-01-25T16:55:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine using emacs smh
2021-01-25T16:56:20 #kisslinux <tracer> emacs is a great OS but i lacks a recent editor ^^
2021-01-25T16:56:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk I don't think KISS was ever meant to be a "distro"
2021-01-25T16:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> not in the same sense as debian
2021-01-25T16:56:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> or slackware or whatever
2021-01-25T16:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I'm not really sure how we'd maintain it when the only real part of KISS is the package manager, which is now stable
2021-01-25T16:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> other than like, keep the core repos up
2021-01-25T16:57:24 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: But it is a very good base. I just build it for my own. I like Linux but hate GTK. There are not much options, I tried to free Arch, gentoo, no mortal way
2021-01-25T16:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, that's the thing, right
2021-01-25T16:57:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly my point
2021-01-25T16:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, you could probably dump kiss on a bsd and it would work
2021-01-25T16:58:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> obvs with rewritten packages, but still
2021-01-25T16:58:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and, ngl, I've been thinking about that a lot
2021-01-25T16:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS+hyperbola/BSD would be cool
2021-01-25T16:59:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the reason i like KISS as it is now is because it *doesn't* feel like a full distro
2021-01-25T16:59:28 #kisslinux * midfavila nods in agreement
2021-01-25T16:59:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's basically LFS as a package manager
2021-01-25T16:59:56 #kisslinux <tracer> I habe FreeBSD (pfSense) I had BSD (TrueNAS), it's good, but I'm more familiar with Linux. Strange enough as I use macOS for 10 Years. When it comes to shell I use a linux VM most of the time.
2021-01-25T17:00:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, to be fair, macos is sort of its own thing... not based on bsd or whatever
2021-01-25T17:00:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> its a BSD derivative
2021-01-25T17:00:58 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: Oh, it's a BSD with a Mach Kernel. A certified UNIX, like Solaris used to be.
2021-01-25T17:01:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's based on NeXT last I knew
2021-01-25T17:01:22 #kisslinux <tracer> yes, thats true.
2021-01-25T17:01:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> which in turn is system five
2021-01-25T17:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and mach isn't just a bsd thing either
2021-01-25T17:01:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-25T17:02:05 #kisslinux <tracer> It's a mixture. More BSD tahn SYSV
2021-01-25T17:02:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk man
2021-01-25T17:02:38 #kisslinux <tracer> I earned my money last century with SunOS/Solaris :-)
2021-01-25T17:02:52 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> midfavila https://github.com/sdsddsd1/kiss-ui not really a gui but it's KISS enough
2021-01-25T17:03:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my dad loved solaris machines he worked with
2021-01-25T17:03:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah I've seen kiss-ui
2021-01-25T17:03:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's nifty
2021-01-25T17:03:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I was thinking something more along the lines of what source mage linux has going on
2021-01-25T17:03:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...minus the uh, asking you if you want every single last little thing, every time you build something
2021-01-25T17:03:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> source mage is awesome, but it's so. goddamned. tedious
2021-01-25T17:04:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...also most of its ports are out of date
2021-01-25T17:04:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes severely
2021-01-25T17:04:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> but also it's like three people maintaining the entire distro so-
2021-01-25T17:07:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah so looking at the wiki page for XNU the only BSD stuff is some filesystem and networking code, and some posix stuff. pretty standard fare for OSes to adopt that. even windows has it
2021-01-25T17:07:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan had started work on kiss in C
2021-01-25T17:07:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> the repo is named K iirc
2021-01-25T17:07:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it is
2021-01-25T17:08:27 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: yes, BSD user daemons. It's bit different from Linux.
2021-01-25T17:09:04 #kisslinux <tracer> C is an ugly language for mostly handling greps/strings/files. clumpsy.
2021-01-25T17:09:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> p sure that's what shell is for actually.
2021-01-25T17:09:48 #kisslinux <tracer> You might love, but PHO is perfect for that.
2021-01-25T17:09:58 #kisslinux <tracer> s/love/laugh/ig
2021-01-25T17:09:59 #kisslinux <kissbot> <tracer> You might laugh, but PHO is perfect for that.
2021-01-25T17:10:10 #kisslinux <tracer> PHP ...
2021-01-25T17:10:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> writing systems software in php sounds like satire
2021-01-25T17:10:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> no offense
2021-01-25T17:10:48 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, PHP runs on my KISS, but X11 is housed.
2021-01-25T17:11:18 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: No Problem with that. It's not better or worde than sh, Perl or python for Scripts.
2021-01-25T17:11:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, but one of the main goals of kiss was to remain POSIXly compliant
2021-01-25T17:11:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> every system has a shell interpreter or a C compiler
2021-01-25T17:11:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it makes more sense to use shell and C than something like php or python
2021-01-25T17:11:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> or hell, perl too
2021-01-25T17:11:57 #kisslinux <tracer> One thning with kiss is the freedom of choice.
2021-01-25T17:12:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah but you have to have a base.  where you go from that base is the choice
2021-01-25T17:12:46 #kisslinux <tracer> everybody expects today a working Python interpreter. All my systems have PHP, as I'm into some kind of hosting.
2021-01-25T17:12:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ^
2021-01-25T17:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't matter what people "expect"
2021-01-25T17:13:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> by that logic we should all have rust, perl, python, X11, pulse, systemd, and either GNOME or KDE installed
2021-01-25T17:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and at that point why not switch to ubuntu
2021-01-25T17:13:52 #kisslinux <tracer> For sure. I I build a kiss package manager just for me and write it in PHO its my good right to do so.
2021-01-25T17:14:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure
2021-01-25T17:14:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> but nobody will accept it as a replacement for the shell or C versions
2021-01-25T17:14:15 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-01-25T17:14:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep!  and if that gets added to community then great, i'm fine with that.  just not a replacement like midfavila mentioned
2021-01-25T17:14:26 #kisslinux <tracer> Nobody has to :)
2021-01-25T17:15:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean look at how much work has to be done for packages on KISS
2021-01-25T17:15:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> at this point everyone *does* expect those things
2021-01-25T17:15:42 #kisslinux <tracer> I do al that just for fun. I'd like to have a Linux desktop without GTK (like Dylan). I'm not forced to work with that machine.
2021-01-25T17:16:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it'd be neat to see how far you get playing with that, for sure
2021-01-25T17:16:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> PHP package manager i mean
2021-01-25T17:16:45 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Without GTK as in QT only or no gui stuff at all?
2021-01-25T17:17:10 #kisslinux <tracer> ominous_anonymou: looks like I will stay here a few more days. Theres currently not so much work waiting, and I have no urgent need to change that,
2021-01-25T17:17:22 #kisslinux <tracer> testuser[m]_: QT only.
2021-01-25T17:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait
2021-01-25T17:19:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got it
2021-01-25T17:19:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS in COBOL
2021-01-25T17:19:12 #kisslinux <tracer> Haha, nobody but me would use a package manager written in PHP. "It's only for websites" … Since 10 years I make most of my script for backups and so just in PHP. Just as the syntax suits me.
2021-01-25T17:19:36 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: Oh, come on, in FORTAN :) Or brainfuck :)
2021-01-25T17:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-01-25T17:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can use COBOL for web development
2021-01-25T17:20:22 #kisslinux <tracer> You can use a gun to shoot your knee :)
2021-01-25T17:20:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of an arrow kinda guy
2021-01-25T17:20:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> have any of you used zig https://ziglang.org/
2021-01-25T17:20:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something set us up the bomb
2021-01-25T17:21:05 #kisslinux <tracer> no never, I'll look at it.
2021-01-25T17:21:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think I saw it somewhere before
2021-01-25T17:21:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it's what https://github.com/ifreund/river is coded in
2021-01-25T17:21:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> seems interesting
2021-01-25T17:21:47 #kisslinux <tracer> looks like Javascript
2021-01-25T17:22:26 #kisslinux <tracer> with a bit of Python ^^
2021-01-25T17:24:05 #kisslinux <tracer> why are you so up into tiling? I find it annoying. I use yabai but with float layout.
2021-01-25T17:24:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> tiling is a good feature, but I personally can't into it
2021-01-25T17:24:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i suppose it would be nice on a super high res display
2021-01-25T17:24:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i am not into tiling either, except tmux for my terminal
2021-01-25T17:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah
2021-01-25T17:25:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but a multiplexer is a necessary tool
2021-01-25T17:25:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more of an mtm guy
2021-01-25T17:25:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> two divisions and the windows are already too small for use on my monitors
2021-01-25T17:25:30 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I must admit, I work with three Displays 27+". Working on a 15" Notebook might be different.
2021-01-25T17:25:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> as someone who uses a 12" laptop with a 768p display tiling is unmanageable there
2021-01-25T17:27:14 #kisslinux <tracer> 12" Laptop is a surfing device. I coulnd'nt use it for work, sorry. I own a 12" Macbook 2015, it's great for its puposes, but I regret coding on it.
2021-01-25T17:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah, that's a macbook
2021-01-25T17:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-25T17:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine's a panasonic. it serves as a mobile thin client for the most part
2021-01-25T17:30:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I used to do i3 on my macbook pro
2021-01-25T17:31:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> unpleasant experience
2021-01-25T17:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> for a while I used an ancient IBM A31p as my daily driver
2021-01-25T17:31:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> god I still miss it
2021-01-25T17:31:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> was so overkill
2021-01-25T17:33:19 #kisslinux <paniash> hello
2021-01-25T17:33:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> hull
2021-01-25T17:33:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> o
2021-01-25T17:34:01 #kisslinux <paniash> how's it going?
2021-01-25T17:34:08 #kisslinux <tracer> hi paniash
2021-01-25T17:34:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> pretty good all things considered
2021-01-25T17:34:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> you?
2021-01-25T17:34:18 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> hi
2021-01-25T17:34:34 #kisslinux <paniash> Doing great. In uni rn, even with all this covid stuff. Press F
2021-01-25T17:35:04 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> F
2021-01-25T17:35:16 #kisslinux <paniash> lmao
2021-01-25T17:35:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm stuck in college, but it's such a waste of time
2021-01-25T17:35:53 #kisslinux <paniash> I feel you midfavila
2021-01-25T17:35:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Didn't even bother showing up in class today :|
2021-01-25T17:36:04 #kisslinux <paniash> what are you studying btw?
2021-01-25T17:36:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're teaching us all about what dedicated wams and hard drives are
2021-01-25T17:36:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I'm technically enrolled in a systems administration and computer security course
2021-01-25T17:36:24 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: What do you run on your MacBook? try BigSur, yabai, TotalSpace and Hyperdock. Just like KDE.
2021-01-25T17:36:29 #kisslinux <paniash> oooh, sounds fancy!
2021-01-25T17:36:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> but apparently what that means is "sit in a discord ccall for four hours and watch the instructor draw in MS Paint"
2021-01-25T17:36:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/ccall/call
2021-01-25T17:36:39 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila> but apparently what that means is "sit in a discord call for four hours and watch the instructor draw in MS Paint"
2021-01-25T17:37:15 #kisslinux <paniash> Here's an F for you as well midfavila
2021-01-25T17:37:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> recently I bought a copy of SICP so I'm gonna be studying that
2021-01-25T17:37:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a nice hard-cover first edition
2021-01-25T17:37:59 #kisslinux <salvia> I wish I had time to read it
2021-01-25T17:38:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can always download the tapes and play them in the background
2021-01-25T17:38:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> tracer: I just have KISS on my macbook
2021-01-25T17:38:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> MIT uploaded them to youtube
2021-01-25T17:38:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i looked into using yabai and stuff but he
2021-01-25T17:38:45 #kisslinux <tracer> I hate it Could NOT find X11 (missing: X11_X11_INCLUDE_PATH)  I rebuild the whole X11 stuff from KISS repo.
2021-01-25T17:38:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/he/eh/
2021-01-25T17:38:47 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> i looked into using yabai and stuff but eh
2021-01-25T17:39:00 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn: I thought you had a laptop from Huawei?
2021-01-25T17:39:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan does
2021-01-25T17:39:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh fuck
2021-01-25T17:39:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> who hosts the kissbot?
2021-01-25T17:39:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> the CCP must have disappeared dylan
2021-01-25T17:39:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's what happened
2021-01-25T17:39:25 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: only kiss? I still have macOS as primary system on my Macs.
2021-01-25T17:39:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> do we know if dylan's a uigar
2021-01-25T17:39:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-01-25T17:39:46 #kisslinux <paniash> is dylan even dilyn?
2021-01-25T17:39:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh fuck
2021-01-25T17:39:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I threw OSX out almost two years ago for arch->LFS->KISS
2021-01-25T17:39:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan != dilyn :'(
2021-01-25T17:40:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a plot twist and a half
2021-01-25T17:40:02 #kisslinux <paniash> F
2021-01-25T17:41:03 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: I could never go that far, I'm too much into the Apple-ecosystem, CarPlay, Homekit, that stuff, you know.
2021-01-25T17:41:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I refuse to play their games haha
2021-01-25T17:41:24 #kisslinux <paniash> tracer: fanboy moment
2021-01-25T17:41:29 #kisslinux <tracer> arch suxx with sudoeritis.
2021-01-25T17:41:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean arch sucks for more than that
2021-01-25T17:41:40 #kisslinux <tracer> paniash: It just works.
2021-01-25T17:41:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's still amusing to me how people think arch is hard
2021-01-25T17:41:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it just works(tm)
2021-01-25T17:41:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just Werks
2021-01-25T17:42:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> justwerks
2021-01-25T17:42:04 #kisslinux <paniash> *werks
2021-01-25T17:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> until you do something outside of apple's garden
2021-01-25T17:42:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine being allowed to repair the device you spent $1200 on
2021-01-25T17:42:30 #kisslinux <paniash> can the m1 macs run lunix?
2021-01-25T17:42:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> not yet
2021-01-25T17:42:36 #kisslinux <tracer> yay -i "bäääh, your are not allowed to do that as root".
2021-01-25T17:42:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> yesn't
2021-01-25T17:42:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> there are prototype ports of gahnoo loonix to m1
2021-01-25T17:42:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> but they're not stable yet
2021-01-25T17:43:01 #kisslinux <tracer> makepkg "bäääh, your are not allowed to do that as root".
2021-01-25T17:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-01-25T17:43:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Arch suxx nearly as much as ubuntu suxx.
2021-01-25T17:43:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> to be fair
2021-01-25T17:43:20 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> arch is great for a just werks distro
2021-01-25T17:43:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> running everything as root is a security hazard
2021-01-25T17:43:30 #kisslinux <paniash> tracer: not really. Ubuntu sux even more
2021-01-25T17:43:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially if an AUR package is compromised
2021-01-25T17:43:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd rather use manjaro than arch
2021-01-25T17:43:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> if I have to use an arch-like system I just use CRUX
2021-01-25T17:44:00 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> manjarno doesn't even regularly update their public pkgbuilds
2021-01-25T17:44:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if I need an *buntu/debian I use slackware
2021-01-25T17:44:02 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: I only have a NEON VM, based on Ubuntu, strange enough :)
2021-01-25T17:44:03 #kisslinux <paniash> try artix. None of that soystemd
2021-01-25T17:44:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> arch devs are looking into supplying a graphical installer in the future :v
2021-01-25T17:44:05 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> they're a few weeks behind
2021-01-25T17:44:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't the arch devs already try deploying a graphical installer a decade and a half ago
2021-01-25T17:44:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> it 'wont be the default' but it's a comin
2021-01-25T17:44:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and wasn't it so shit they pulled it
2021-01-25T17:44:29 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: I decide what I run as root, or don't I?
2021-01-25T17:44:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> sure, you can run whatever as root
2021-01-25T17:44:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yes midfavila
2021-01-25T17:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you're gonna bust your system at some point
2021-01-25T17:44:47 #kisslinux <paniash> there was something called the rage installer if I remeber correctly
2021-01-25T17:44:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah yes
2021-01-25T17:44:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> "rage" meaning "can't follow instructions"
2021-01-25T17:45:08 #kisslinux <paniash> lmao
2021-01-25T17:45:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> reminds me of the one(1) time gentoo had a graphical installer
2021-01-25T17:45:30 #kisslinux <tracer> Ahhhhhhh yes, if an AUR packe is compromides, I build it as a normal user. For security. And then I make sudo install … Good morning :)
2021-01-25T17:45:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw people use arch but don't know how $PATH works smh
2021-01-25T17:45:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> the arch subreddit is a dumpster fire of bad questions lmfao
2021-01-25T17:45:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> how would you know what aur package is compromised tho
2021-01-25T17:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> none are audite
2021-01-25T17:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> d
2021-01-25T17:45:59 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn: most of those people are in it for the memes
2021-01-25T17:47:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> one thing that gives me the giggles is people who think arch is a minimal system
2021-01-25T17:47:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's like they've never investigated pacman -Qi before
2021-01-25T17:47:51 #kisslinux <tracer> I use UNIX für more then 25 yeary. I make mistakes. As root. But they would have happened in exactly the same way with sudo.
2021-01-25T17:47:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's so easy to end up with hundreds of packages as a result of arch's dragnet for dependencies
2021-01-25T17:48:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> even with just a base install you end up with hundreds of packages
2021-01-25T17:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i poke fun at my gentoo friends
2021-01-25T17:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> because their "minimal" installs are 600~ packages
2021-01-25T17:48:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile I'm over here with a full GUI and everything in under 200
2021-01-25T17:48:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> under 100 gang
2021-01-25T17:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> in my defense most of my packages are supplementary userspace tools
2021-01-25T17:49:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i.e external less, bc, w/e
2021-01-25T17:49:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> indefensible
2021-01-25T17:49:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-01-25T17:49:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-01-25T17:49:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to commit sudoku
2021-01-25T17:49:43 #kisslinux <paniash> midfavila: which distro are you using?
2021-01-25T17:49:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS, obvs
2021-01-25T17:49:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-01-25T17:49:57 #kisslinux <tracer> I tried gentoo a few times. If you want to really understand whats under the hood it more easy to roll out your stuff with kiss.
2021-01-25T17:49:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a neckbeard
2021-01-25T17:50:04 #kisslinux <paniash> oof
2021-01-25T17:50:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> gentoo is good for getting (you)s on /g/
2021-01-25T17:50:48 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn: what plans do you have for kiss in the future? since AFAIK, you're the only one maintaining it
2021-01-25T17:51:09 #kisslinux * midfavila blinks
2021-01-25T17:51:18 #kisslinux <tracer> Funny enough, dilyn and Dylan :)
2021-01-25T17:51:32 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn != dylan ;)
2021-01-25T17:51:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-01-25T17:52:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> my future plans for KISS involve making systemd nonoptional and requiring everyone to use XFCE
2021-01-25T17:52:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-01-25T17:52:21 #kisslinux <tracer> hey, no offense, it took a while to notice the difference.
2021-01-25T17:52:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> stali time
2021-01-25T17:52:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I need to get around to putting my repo up
2021-01-25T17:53:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I should do that today
2021-01-25T17:53:01 #kisslinux <paniash> why xfce? shouldn't you use that moment to shill sowm?
2021-01-25T17:53:07 #kisslinux <tracer> haha dilyn I guess you are just joking, but else i'll like to help you.
2021-01-25T17:53:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> >wanting soystemd
2021-01-25T17:53:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> sowm is obviously minimalist bloat and we should not use it
2021-01-25T17:53:41 #kisslinux <paniash> lol
2021-01-25T17:53:53 #kisslinux <tracer> purge xfce, it depends on GTK.
2021-01-25T17:53:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i might be a fudspreader but I'm proud of refusing to shill my excellent work
2021-01-25T17:53:58 #kisslinux <paniash> minimalist bloat :) I like it
2021-01-25T17:53:59 #kisslinux <jedavies> "minimalist bloat" - love it
2021-01-25T17:54:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> sowm will be updated to require whichever version of gtk+4 has the most security flaws
2021-01-25T17:54:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> should require both gtk and qt
2021-01-25T17:54:38 #kisslinux <tracer> glibc, systemd, QT, KDE. Thats my way. I try to take the best from whats available.
2021-01-25T17:54:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> it actually uses qt5-webengine to draw a single widget that does nothing
2021-01-25T17:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing
2021-01-25T17:55:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure to only distribute it as a dockerfile
2021-01-25T17:55:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> inside of a snap
2021-01-25T17:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> inside of a flatpak
2021-01-25T17:55:25 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn: btw on a serious note, how did you learn so much about bash and scripting in general. afaik, you're the most knowledgeable I've come across
2021-01-25T17:55:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> Obviously I stole my code from better programmers
2021-01-25T17:55:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Docker, Snap, Flatpack have the same problem: They suck. I'm oldschool. i use XEN.
2021-01-25T17:56:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> I distribute all of my binaries via flash drives I mail to users
2021-01-25T17:56:55 #kisslinux <paniash> pfffft
2021-01-25T17:56:55 #kisslinux <paniash> but seriously...
2021-01-25T17:57:10 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> paniash dilyn != dylan
2021-01-25T17:57:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> have I become the usurper?
2021-01-25T17:57:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think you have
2021-01-25T17:57:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am the captain now
2021-01-25T17:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> "look at me."
2021-01-25T17:57:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> captain alex moment
2021-01-25T17:57:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-01-25T17:57:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://github.com/dylanaraps dylan
2021-01-25T17:57:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://github.com/dilyn-corner dilyn
2021-01-25T17:57:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to learn how to do something paniash just go do it
2021-01-25T17:57:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan i've staged a mutiny. you have been deposed and exiled
2021-01-25T17:58:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> try to automate everything you can
2021-01-25T17:58:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> he knew this was coming that's why he left
2021-01-25T17:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> any time you would find yourself doing the same thing over and over, you can script that
2021-01-25T17:58:40 #kisslinux <paniash> midfavila: Thanks! It makes sense to get my hands dirty :)
2021-01-25T17:58:46 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-01-25T17:58:47 #kisslinux <paniash> dilyn: no I didn't ;)
2021-01-25T17:59:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know it's kind of stupid advice, but it's the best way
2021-01-25T17:59:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> just look stuff up as you need it
2021-01-25T17:59:33 #kisslinux <paniash> i guess that applies to life in general lol
2021-01-25T17:59:35 #kisslinux <tracer> I anyone of you married with Microsoft?
2021-01-25T17:59:51 #kisslinux <paniash> but thanks midfavila
2021-01-25T17:59:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeh
2021-01-25T18:00:21 #kisslinux <paniash> tracer: looks like you took the covid vaccine (sponsored by Bill)
2021-01-25T18:00:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> the microchips in the vaccines run MINIX
2021-01-25T18:00:42 #kisslinux <tracer> paniash: No, I didn't, and I am not going to.
2021-01-25T18:00:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> the chips are actually 5g towers
2021-01-25T18:00:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh fugg
2021-01-25T18:01:02 #kisslinux <tracer> Nearly every Intel Chip runs Minix :)
2021-01-25T18:01:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the joke
2021-01-25T18:01:23 #kisslinux <paniash> all thanks to minix being under a permissive license
2021-01-25T18:01:46 #kisslinux <tracer> paniash: well Intel paid, a little bargin.
2021-01-25T18:01:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i like how tannenbaum copes with being a total jackass in relation to the ME by saying that MINIX has the largest install base in the world
2021-01-25T18:01:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile
2021-01-25T18:01:58 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: -n
2021-01-25T18:01:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> most computers regular people use are ARM
2021-01-25T18:02:30 #kisslinux <paniash> yeah, I like to compile firefox on my samsung galaxy s20
2021-01-25T18:02:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> you joke but I've done that before
2021-01-25T18:02:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> on an s7 tho
2021-01-25T18:02:51 #kisslinux <tracer> midfavila: I didn't switch yet to ARM on a real computer, but I think I understand you.
2021-01-25T18:02:56 #kisslinux <paniash> how was the weather after that?
2021-01-25T18:03:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> running X on my phone was unironically a great idea
2021-01-25T18:03:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> having full desktop programs available instead of the neutered """"""apps"""""" in the play store or f-droid was amazing
2021-01-25T18:04:21 #kisslinux <tracer> I once hat an iPhone clone, it was terrible bad.
2021-01-25T18:04:49 #kisslinux <tracer> had .. not hat
2021-01-25T18:14:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was using my rpi3 as a desktop for a little while
2021-01-25T18:15:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have a Microsoft Surface RT that would've been super fun to play on, but unfortunately that's not possible
2021-01-25T18:16:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.mickaelwalter.fr/linux-on-surface-rt/
2021-01-25T18:20:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> well, i guess "not possible" is exaggeration.  "Too complicated to be done soon enough to make it worthwhile"
2021-01-25T18:46:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://andrewkelley.me/post/zig-cc-powerful-drop-in-replacement-gcc-clang.html also perhaps zig as another alternative to gcc
2021-01-25T18:47:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-01-25T18:47:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'll have to experiment with that
2021-01-25T18:50:12 #kisslinux <salvia> I forgot to thank everyone for help. I couldn't proceed with instalation and started from the very beginning, but thanks anyway.
2021-01-25T19:22:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> gaaaaaaah, Noctua didn't declare my fan to customs
2021-01-25T19:22:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks a lot :|
2021-01-25T19:33:52 #kisslinux <danteissaias> acheam: can we fork kisslinux/init to kiss-community
2021-01-25T19:33:53 #kisslinux <danteissaias> https://github.com/kisslinux/init/pull/23
2021-01-25T19:34:05 #kisslinux <danteissaias> there's this pr that got merged but there hasn't been a new release of init since may
2021-01-25T19:34:10 #kisslinux <danteissaias> so its not included in any systems
2021-01-25T19:52:16 #kisslinux <acheam> danteissaias: I don't see why not, but I'm not the one who would be in a place to maintain it. testuser[m]_ would be better to weigh in
2021-01-25T19:59:04 #kisslinux <danteissaias> acheam:  could maintain it if you'd like
2021-01-25T19:59:42 #kisslinux <danteissaias> * i could
2021-01-25T20:08:40 #kisslinux <acheam> danteissais: If you are reading this in the logs, I've forked it to kiss-community. Send me your GitHub account so I can add you to it
2021-01-25T20:08:57 #kisslinux <danteissaias> @danteissaias on github
2021-01-25T20:09:00 #kisslinux <danteissaias> thanks
2021-01-25T20:10:00 #kisslinux <acheam> great thanks, danteissaias!
2021-01-25T20:11:31 #kisslinux <acheam> Anyone seen micr0 recently? According to logbot he hasn't sent anything in a few weeks
2021-01-25T20:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't recall seeing him recently, no
2021-01-25T20:11:48 #kisslinux <acheam> Which reminds me, I still need to fix repo-bin
2021-01-25T20:11:50 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks midfavila
2021-01-25T20:11:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> my client hasn't logged anything either
2021-01-25T20:14:28 #kisslinux <aarng> Tue, 12 Jan 2021 03:22:25 GMT <micr0> try /dev/sda1 or whatever?
2021-01-25T20:20:12 #kisslinux <aarng> ^ last thing he said according to my logs, but I guess that's what you figured out via logbot already
2021-01-25T20:23:08 #kisslinux <acheam> Yeah I saw that. Hope he comes back soon, he was helpful for kiss-community
2021-01-25T20:23:24 #kisslinux <acheam> Might shoot him an email
2021-01-25T20:56:18 #kisslinux <salvia> good night everyone
2021-01-25T20:56:24 #kisslinux <umowa> goodnight
2021-01-25T20:56:31 #kisslinux <ShinzenATT> gn
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