2020-11-27T00:20:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> internationalization for unicode it looks like
2020-11-27T00:24:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> As an aside, do you guys have any experience with Xaw programs? I've been binging on them for a few days now and I'm starting to run out of options to feed my addiction, haha
2020-11-27T01:15:03 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I don't think I'd heard of Xaw before, so no :p I love it's appearance though and if I wasn't so happy with sway lack of tearing I would definitely give it a try
2020-11-27T01:16:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> xaw is ugly if you don't configure it, but you can make it look surprisingly nice with a little Xresources fiddling
2020-11-27T01:16:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a shame that it's basically been untouched since the 90s
2020-11-27T01:16:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially considering how efficient it is
2020-11-27T01:16:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2020-11-27T01:34:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> SO
2020-11-27T01:34:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> public service announcement
2020-11-27T01:34:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you use a PS/2 mouse on a gigabyte motherboard, do not enable fastboot. for whatever reason it fucks with input detection under KISS when using udev
2020-11-27T01:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure how, or why
2020-11-27T02:54:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Anyone know what software provides the zsoelim utility?
2020-11-27T02:54:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> XMan flips its shit if it isn't installed
2020-11-27T05:10:16 #kisslinux <himmalerin> midfavila: It looks like it gets provided by man-db based on my searching
2020-11-27T05:10:40 #kisslinux <himmalerin> at least in debian: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/man-db/filelist
2020-11-27T05:10:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah, thanks.
2020-11-27T05:11:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> Now to see if there's already a package for it... i've been packing software for three days now
2020-11-27T05:11:43 #kisslinux <himmalerin> ouch, at least it's not that difficult (usually) to make kiss packages?
2020-11-27T05:11:49 #kisslinux <himmalerin> kiss s says no to man-db
2020-11-27T05:12:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well... fuck
2020-11-27T05:12:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> time to figure that out
2020-11-27T05:12:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it can wait until tomorrow... it's almost 1:30
2020-11-27T05:12:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> been wrestling with old X stuff all day
2020-11-27T05:12:51 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh yeah, almost certainly worth getting some sleep then
2020-11-27T05:12:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially this text editor, aXe. it seems nifty, but I just can't get it to build for the life of me
2020-11-27T05:13:08 #kisslinux <himmalerin> The homepage for man-db seems to be https://nongnu.org/man-db/ for tomorrow
2020-11-27T05:13:13 #kisslinux <himmalerin> that's always a pain
2020-11-27T05:13:29 #kisslinux <himmalerin> good luck getting with getting it running!
2020-11-27T05:13:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's only to be expected
2020-11-27T05:13:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I don't think this code has been touched since the 90s
2020-11-27T05:13:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it still requires Imake
2020-11-27T05:13:52 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> midfavila according to arch's man-db pkgbuild, zeoelim is provided by groff aswell
2020-11-27T05:14:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/2a441abcaf1a39f1cf8c6c4d7ce5fd5960f5e9cd/trunk/PKGBUILD#L63
2020-11-27T05:14:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's weird. I've got groff installed right now...
2020-11-27T05:14:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'll recompile and reinstall it and go from there I guess
2020-11-27T05:14:31 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Probably depends on configure flags
2020-11-27T05:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> probably.
2020-11-27T07:25:47 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Random question, how long has everyone here been using Linux for?
2020-11-27T11:38:38 #kisslinux <raph_ael> 20 years
2020-11-27T11:45:01 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Somewhere around 20 years, I think.
2020-11-27T12:08:34 #kisslinux <claudia02> Something around 15 years.
2020-11-27T12:11:57 #kisslinux <claudia02> Is somebody wpa_supplicant with dhcphooks from /usr/share/dhcpcd/10-wapa_supplicant and knows they way to redirect the output to /dev/null?
2020-11-27T12:12:11 #kisslinux <claudia02> sSomebody using
2020-11-27T12:42:40 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Haven't used wpa_supplicant since trying and staying with iwd instead.
2020-11-27T12:45:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> got a link to that ?
2020-11-27T12:47:51 #kisslinux <claudia02> sh4rma: I have a symlink to this file http://ix.io/2FFH which is running on boot and then floods the tty.
2020-11-27T12:48:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> claudia02, fwiw i have added this extension https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/src/branch/master/KEEP/wpa_supplicant-action_script.patch to wpa_supplicant
2020-11-27T12:49:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it runs https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/src/branch/master/KEEP/etc/wpa_connect_action.sh on wifi connect
2020-11-27T12:49:42 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> :o I just started using Linux like 7-9 months ago
2020-11-27T12:50:46 #kisslinux <claudia02> So an automatic restart on disconnect. Sounds nice.
2020-11-27T12:52:29 #kisslinux <claudia02> So this action script has just to be in PATH?
2020-11-27T12:52:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also you can have different settings per ESSID etc
2020-11-27T12:53:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if essid starts with Verizon, use dhcp, else if it HOMELAN use static ip foo...
2020-11-27T12:53:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, the patch adds a new directive for the wpa_supplicant config file, sec
2020-11-27T12:54:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/src/branch/master/KEEP/wpa_supplicant.conf#L37
2020-11-27T12:57:38 #kisslinux <claudia02> Ah I see thx.
2020-11-27T12:57:49 #kisslinux <icyphox> testuser[m]: Around 6 years-ish. Nearly 7.
2020-11-27T12:57:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> How do you start up your wpa_supplicant/dhcpcd?
2020-11-27T12:58:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there is no dhpccd on sabotage, we have a script dhclient which runs busybox udhcpc in non-daemon mode
2020-11-27T12:58:42 #kisslinux <icyphox> Does fehawen come here these days?
2020-11-27T12:58:53 #kisslinux <icyphox> I'm looking to chat with him about some of his stuff.
2020-11-27T12:59:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but i start my wpa_supplicant using "sv u wpa_supplicant"
2020-11-27T13:00:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/src/branch/master/KEEP/etc/udhcpc-script     https://codeberg.org/sabotage-linux/sabotage/src/branch/master/KEEP/bin/dhclient
2020-11-27T13:05:23 #kisslinux <claudia02> Thx, for the references. I will have a look.
2020-11-27T13:05:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i try to keep my daemons to the bare minimum...
2020-11-27T13:07:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> currently it's 5 or 6 that are started by default
2020-11-27T13:08:01 #kisslinux <claudia02> I like that too. I have to fiddle with busybox to add the udhcp client.
2020-11-27T13:08:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it isnt activated in your config ?
2020-11-27T13:08:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> Nah. We use dedicated busybox.
2020-11-27T13:09:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> ehm dhcp
2020-11-27T13:09:24 #kisslinux <claudia02> *dhcpcd
2020-11-27T13:09:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> other than that (udhcpc enabled in bb), you just need to put the 2 scripts in place, and dhclient will work
2020-11-27T15:14:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> testuser[m]: late response, but I've been using Linux for about four years now, going on five
2020-11-27T16:52:46 #kisslinux <nerditup> do I need to always provide DESTDIR=$1 to my build script? I am just reading through the package manager code and I think that if I don't specify DESTDIR, the files will be installed on the filesystem (before running kiss i) - is this correct?
2020-11-27T16:53:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2020-11-27T16:53:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want some examples for different build systems, you can also check the KISS wiki
2020-11-27T16:53:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> k1ss.org/wiki/kiss/style-guide
2020-11-27T16:54:13 #kisslinux <nerditup> cool, thanks! I wanted to confirm my understanding
2020-11-27T16:54:24 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2020-11-27T18:10:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay so
2020-11-27T18:10:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> zsoelim problem
2020-11-27T18:11:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> turns out that mandoc only builds it if you have libpipeline
2020-11-27T18:11:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> 's all good now
2020-11-27T18:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or not. guess it just needs to be symlinked? weird. well, either way, now I can use my vintage manpage viewer.
2020-11-27T22:49:16 #kisslinux <Rio6> when using busybox mdev, plugging in usb drive doesn't create /dev/sda*. Do i need to mknod the drive and the partitions myself?
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