2020-05-18T00:57:21 #kisslinux <ThatGeekyWeeb> So, middle of installing KISS, everything has gone good so far, Just need to install a bootloader but I can't, grub-install, seems to, not be able to work, without "/usr/share/locale" so anyone mind helping me? Thx in advance!
2020-05-18T01:05:55 #kisslinux <himmalerin> ThatGeekyWeeb: It's a musl thing, musl doesn't support locales so you get that warning. If that's the only warning you get grub should boot things fine
2020-05-18T01:11:37 #kisslinux <ThatGeekyWeeb> himmalerin: Thanks dude :3
2020-05-18T05:42:37 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan: can you reproduce this? https://hastebin.com/zumaqimowu.sh
2020-05-18T06:15:08 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is it possible to install glibc alongside musl for certain applications. For example I only have on in question which is drm free terraria from gog. Is it posssible to have glibc just for terraria but still compile everything with musl
2020-05-18T06:27:03 #kisslinux <dilynm> MueVoid: can't use a chroot?
2020-05-18T06:27:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> In other news, I *think* intltool and gettext are no longer required by polkit
2020-05-18T06:27:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> Maybe.
2020-05-18T06:27:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> It builds, but will it work? Who knows!
2020-05-18T06:28:31 #kisslinux <muevoid> I would do that however cant seem to get audio working in a chroot for normal users also not sure what distro to use in a chroot
2020-05-18T06:29:36 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is there anybody who has made a rootfs for kiss with glibc?
2020-05-18T06:30:27 #kisslinux <muevoid> Actually Ill use gentoo for chroot
2020-05-18T06:30:38 #kisslinux <muevoid> Still not sure about audio though
2020-05-18T06:36:32 #kisslinux <muevoid> Actually is it something to do with the gid in the chroot dilynm?
2020-05-18T06:41:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Unsure! Never bothered with audio in a chroot. I just use it for work
2020-05-18T06:48:34 #kisslinux <muevoid> It was that
2020-05-18T06:48:43 #kisslinux <muevoid> I got it fixed now audio works for a user in the chroot
2020-05-18T06:49:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> Just have to figure out what I need to install in the chroot now
2020-05-18T08:18:16 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan02: can you reproduce this? https://hastebin.com/zumaqimowu.sh
2020-05-18T08:22:13 #kisslinux <dylan02> > make: illegal argument to -j -- must be positive integer!
2020-05-18T08:22:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> Looks like you have an invalid '$MAKEFLAGS' (RUSTFLAGS?)?
2020-05-18T08:23:03 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though I don't know why it's building OpenSSL.
2020-05-18T08:23:41 #kisslinux <dylan02> My Rust is linked to Libressl.
2020-05-18T08:24:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> Or rather, my cargo is.
2020-05-18T09:07:28 #kisslinux <konimex> the pkg name is always openssl-sys
2020-05-18T09:07:51 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-05-18T09:07:56 #kisslinux <konimex> my cargo is also linked to libressl too
2020-05-18T09:08:01 #kisslinux <dylan02> It should use the systems openssl (or libressl)
2020-05-18T09:08:15 #kisslinux <dylan02> The log looked to me like it was trying to build openssl though
2020-05-18T09:08:28 #kisslinux <dylan02> system's*
2020-05-18T09:08:38 #kisslinux <konimex> man I really have to downgrade libressl for now
2020-05-18T09:08:44 #kisslinux <konimex> alright then
2020-05-18T09:09:03 #kisslinux <dylan02> Are you using my patch for Rust (to support Libressl 3.1.1)?
2020-05-18T09:09:10 #kisslinux <konimex> aye
2020-05-18T09:09:17 #kisslinux <dylan02> Is this some kind of llvm/clang issue then?
2020-05-18T09:09:18 #kisslinux <konimex> I need to provide static cargo at least
2020-05-18T09:09:23 #kisslinux <konimex> it might be
2020-05-18T09:09:38 #kisslinux <konimex> I'll downgrade for now
2020-05-18T09:10:57 #kisslinux <dylan02> There's some info here: https://users.rust-lang.org/t/how-to-link-openssl-statically/14912/17
2020-05-18T09:11:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> Also: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/5ds9fb/help_with_static_linking/
2020-05-18T09:20:49 #kisslinux <konimex> hmmm... looks like it was caused by cargo-native-static = true
2020-05-18T09:20:52 #kisslinux <konimex> damn
2020-05-18T09:24:43 #kisslinux <konimex> nothing aside from cargo links to libressl, right?
2020-05-18T09:27:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> I don't think so
2020-05-18T09:27:54 #kisslinux <konimex> alright, so I'll just have to reupload cargo's dist tarball
2020-05-18T09:28:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> rls links to it
2020-05-18T09:28:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> That's it for the executables though
2020-05-18T09:29:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> The libs don't link to it
2020-05-18T09:29:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> Just rls and cargo
2020-05-18T09:30:55 #kisslinux <konimex> rls isn't included in dist tarball so I can just upload cargo
2020-05-18T09:30:56 #kisslinux <konimex> man
2020-05-18T09:46:26 #kisslinux <dylan02> They make it hard huh?
2020-05-18T09:50:20 #kisslinux <konimex> yep
2020-05-18T09:50:47 #kisslinux <konimex> if I can statically link cargo this will be a lot easier
2020-05-18T10:45:43 #kisslinux <onodera> im trying to port lilo, but running into some issues, could anyone help me uot?
2020-05-18T10:46:14 #kisslinux <onodera> https://hastebin.com/raw/mocaxufele error log
2020-05-18T10:46:46 #kisslinux <onodera> don't know if there is something obvious im missing here...
2020-05-18T10:47:59 #kisslinux <dylan02> export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -fcommon"
2020-05-18T10:49:07 #kisslinux <onodera> nope, doesn't work...
2020-05-18T10:50:08 #kisslinux <dylan02> Is it usinf $CFLAGS?
2020-05-18T10:50:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> using*
2020-05-18T10:50:31 #kisslinux <onodera> let me check
2020-05-18T10:51:27 #kisslinux <onodera> I needed to pass CFLAGS directly to make
2020-05-18T10:51:32 #kisslinux <onodera> rather than exporting, thanks!
2020-05-18T10:53:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> No problem
2020-05-18T11:14:11 #kisslinux <onodera> dylan02: ill do the statis thing
2020-05-18T11:14:16 #kisslinux <onodera> probably no package will ever use it
2020-05-18T11:15:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> Sounds good
2020-05-18T11:43:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> I added a sidebar to the website as the links at the top were becoming wild. https://k1ss.org/
2020-05-18T11:44:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> It's also fixed so it follows as you scroll =)
2020-05-18T11:53:54 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> dylan02: theres an unescaped < un the KISS logo in the sidebar. it should be escaped as &lt;
2020-05-18T11:54:43 #kisslinux <dylan02> Thanks
2020-05-18T11:55:20 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> dylan02: if you add the attribute valign="top" to the sidebar <td> cell it looks better in the links browser too :)
2020-05-18T11:56:03 #kisslinux <dylan02> Will do
2020-05-18T11:56:12 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> looks good btw
2020-05-18T11:59:01 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> on a low height window there doesn't seem to be a scrollbar or so for the left sidebar menu (in Firefox)
2020-05-18T11:59:21 #kisslinux <Evil_Bob> maybe some CSS overflow: auto or scroll property helps somewhere (not sure) :)
2020-05-18T12:28:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> Evil_Bob: Added a scrollbar when needed. Thanks for the suggestions. :)
2020-05-18T13:37:11 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> it's here the guy who has made kiss32-repo?
2020-05-18T14:02:07 #kisslinux <claudia02> the new new website looks kick ass.
2020-05-18T14:02:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> (:
2020-05-18T14:02:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylanaraps: what do you think about aligning the navigation to the left, and the actual content in center? When this is possible though.
2020-05-18T14:06:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> claudia02: That's a little tricky
2020-05-18T14:31:46 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylan02: you forgot to add post-install message about kiss-encryption to baseinit
2020-05-18T14:34:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> Fixed
2020-05-18T14:34:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> Thanks
2020-05-18T14:41:07 #kisslinux <illiliti> how to exclude package from update list?
2020-05-18T14:42:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> To prevent an update?
2020-05-18T14:42:45 #kisslinux <dylan02> You have a lot of options.
2020-05-18T14:43:05 #kisslinux <dylan02> 1. Simply change the version of the package to match the update in /var/db/kiss/installed/<pkg_name>/version.
2020-05-18T14:43:34 #kisslinux <dylan02> 2. Create a repository and put it at the front of the KISS_PATH list. Then create a package inside of it with your installed version.
2020-05-18T14:44:15 #kisslinux <dylan02> 3. Update everything (excluding the package you want to skip) manually ('kiss b bla bla bla bla bla').
2020-05-18T14:44:22 #kisslinux <dylan02> etc
2020-05-18T14:45:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> thanks. i think (1) is better in my case
2020-05-18T14:47:09 #kisslinux <dylan02> Which package?
2020-05-18T14:49:38 #kisslinux <illiliti> cmake, rust, ... etc
2020-05-18T14:51:21 #kisslinux <dylan02> Ah
2020-05-18T15:20:08 #kisslinux <illiliti> merakor: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/823
2020-05-18T15:30:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> mcf: The people who responded to that email don't seem to understand that the only portable way to use tar is without dashes...
2020-05-18T15:54:46 #kisslinux <ectlunya> dylan02: I noticed in the new website layout "Install KISS", "FAQ", and "Community" are a different width from the other pages. Is that on purpose?
2020-05-18T15:56:14 #kisslinux <ectlunya> individual posts from blog and news are too
2020-05-18T16:37:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylan02: for sh256, maybe there should be an earlier step where you check for each command and make an sh256() based on which one is there, so the fallback doesn't have to occur on each usage?
2020-05-18T16:37:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> and also errors wouldn't need to be silenced
2020-05-18T16:56:07 #kisslinux <illiliti> fatal: unable to find remote helper for 'https' << `kiss u` after latest update
2020-05-18T16:57:44 #kisslinux <onodera> works fine for me
2020-05-18T17:05:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> ohhh, git links to older libressl while updating
2020-05-18T17:06:23 #kisslinux <illiliti> there is a lot of `Error loading shared library libcrypto.so.45: No such file or directory` in /bin/*
2020-05-18T18:41:36 #kisslinux <claudia> I have a source data.zip. How can I prevend kiss from unziping it?
2020-05-18T18:43:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> Append ?no-extract
2020-05-18T18:43:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or your favorite phrase
2020-05-18T18:44:35 #kisslinux <claudia> In the source: https:blabla/data.zip?no-extract ?
2020-05-18T18:47:42 #kisslinux <claudia> ah I understand. oki doki thx
2020-05-18T18:47:46 #kisslinux <claudia> magic
2020-05-18T18:49:22 #kisslinux <illiliti> konimex: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/blob/master/community/cryptsetup/version << '0' rel version is not valid
2020-05-18T18:49:41 #kisslinux <illiliti> same goes for mawk
2020-05-18T18:50:59 #kisslinux <illiliti> `kiss u` ignores updates if relative version contains '0'
2020-05-18T18:52:00 #kisslinux <illiliti> this is feature or bug?? :)
2020-05-18T19:03:11 #kisslinux <illiliti> nvm, i messed up my KISS_PATH. but really i think 0 should be changed to 1
2020-05-18T19:27:06 #kisslinux <E5ten> mcf: thanks for explaining the necessity of dashless arg support in tar on the mailing list
2020-05-18T19:37:59 #kisslinux <micro_O> does it seem out of place to anyone else that the only abbreviation on the k1ss site is 'Scrots'? Everything else is either spelled out (or an acryonym for FAQ)
2020-05-18T19:50:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylan02: so now that the sbase in kiss repos has my patch applied (which I'm still hoping will make it upstream) you should be able to ditch _tar() right?
2020-05-18T19:54:00 #kisslinux <dylan02> micro_O: Fixed, thanks. It was shortened to 'scrots' so that it'd fit in the old-style top nav. This is why I decided to swap to a sidebar, the top-nav became too messy.
2020-05-18T19:54:44 #kisslinux <dylan02> E5ten: Now that our sbase has the patch applied. Which is the "portable" usage again?
2020-05-18T19:54:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> no dash
2020-05-18T19:55:29 #kisslinux <dylan02> Thanks
2020-05-18T19:57:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> I've never had such bad luck building qt
2020-05-18T19:57:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> Smh
2020-05-18T19:57:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> the documentation for kiss on the website should have the tar footnote updated to reflect the current situation
2020-05-18T19:58:02 #kisslinux <dylan02> dilynm: It's almost like you're not supposed to build it yourself.
2020-05-18T19:58:03 #kisslinux <dylan02> ;)
2020-05-18T19:58:07 #kisslinux <dylan02> E5ten: Will do so now.
2020-05-18T19:59:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess from now on we just hope I was comprehensive enough in my searching through various tar implementations that we never encounter another one that doesn't support dashless lol
2020-05-18T20:00:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'm pretty sure I checked every one that is used by anything close to a substantial amount of people
2020-05-18T20:00:33 #kisslinux <micro_O> dylan02: im a fan of the sidebar - my favorite social network software is very, very similar to k1ss
2020-05-18T20:00:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylan02: build it for me xD
2020-05-18T20:01:15 #kisslinux <micro_O> dilynm: have you looked at exheres for inspiration of how they build it?
2020-05-18T20:01:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> exheres?
2020-05-18T20:02:10 #kisslinux <micro_O> https://git.exherbo.org/summer/packages/x11-libs/qt/index.html
2020-05-18T20:02:23 #kisslinux <micro_O> years ago I was a package maintainer for exherbo
2020-05-18T20:02:36 #kisslinux <micro_O> at the time, it was a better gentoo. still probably is a better gentoo tbh.
2020-05-18T20:03:40 #kisslinux <micro_O> i havent seen a package manager as useful as `cave`, especially with sandboxing, parallel/multiple invocations not trampling over each other, excellent config management and better-than-normal alternatives solution
2020-05-18T20:03:46 #kisslinux <micro_O> that said, it was complex
2020-05-18T20:04:47 #kisslinux <micro_O> they definitely had some similar expression of k1ss values though - particularly around trying to get patches upstreamed
2020-05-18T20:05:00 #kisslinux <micro_O> and not messing with userspace
2020-05-18T20:05:10 #kisslinux <dylan02> Sandboxing for builds is something I want to implement (though it involves swapping to a "nix-like" installation method).
2020-05-18T20:05:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> A second upside is that you can have multiple versions of multiple packages installed at the same time.
2020-05-18T20:07:15 #kisslinux <micro_O> heh, i forget there was an old distro that completely eschewed the FSH and then used symlinks to satisfy software that hardcoded it
2020-05-18T20:07:27 #kisslinux <dylan02> I envision: 'kiss env pkg pkg pkg' which would drop you into a chroot (or sandbox) with core + these packages (and their dependencies) installed.
2020-05-18T20:07:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> Yeah
2020-05-18T20:07:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'd have to be /apps/<pkg_name>-<pkg_version> (example of course) and symlinks to /
2020-05-18T20:08:39 #kisslinux <micro_O> as long as you dont mess with actual / i think it would be a nice, optional feature to have automagic chroots
2020-05-18T20:08:55 #kisslinux <dylan02> It'd be cool to use bind mounts though you'd lose "state" on shutdown.
2020-05-18T20:09:06 #kisslinux <dylan02> Bind mounts would work for temporary chroots though.
2020-05-18T20:09:19 #kisslinux <micro_O> kiss env a b c d -> /envs/a-b-c-d@vA-vB-vC-vD
2020-05-18T20:09:21 #kisslinux <micro_O> or something like that
2020-05-18T20:09:23 #kisslinux <dylan02> There's a lot of depth to the idea
2020-05-18T20:09:55 #kisslinux <micro_O> somehow it feels like a convergence on distri-like extreme
2020-05-18T20:10:10 #kisslinux <micro_O> like the two different kinds of garbage collection actually converging
2020-05-18T20:10:50 #kisslinux <dylan02> The one issue is the transition from the current method to this proposed one.
2020-05-18T20:11:16 #kisslinux <E5ten> imo this proposed one sounds a lot less "kiss" than the current one lol
2020-05-18T20:11:21 #kisslinux <micro_O> well, i didn't call it out explicitly, but I think, with enough thinking and design, there wouldn't be a transition
2020-05-18T20:11:37 #kisslinux <micro_O> it would be an additional feature, that is orthoginal to what we have now, without requiring a replacement
2020-05-18T20:11:38 #kisslinux <dylan02> E5ten: Oh yeah. If I were 100% for it I'd have done it by now.
2020-05-18T20:12:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> also I assume it'd require multiple non-POSIX commands like mount and chroot?
2020-05-18T20:12:46 #kisslinux <micro_O> i.e. if someone wanted their root to be a 'stateless' expression of a `kiss env a b c d`, there would be nothing stopping them, but if a user wanted to have the most stateful root ever, i.e. what we have now with kiss i side-effects, that would work exactly the same
2020-05-18T20:12:47 #kisslinux <dylan02> I'm personally fine with things as they are now.
2020-05-18T20:13:46 #kisslinux <dylan02> E5ten: Probably proot (though painful to package) (I don't think there's alternatives to it).
2020-05-18T20:14:13 #kisslinux <micro_O> i would be a fan of being able to specify an alternative dir / kiss env, as it would allow for some really nice features for free, I think
2020-05-18T20:14:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> micro_O: that is actually really neat!
2020-05-18T20:14:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Not much help though :'(
2020-05-18T20:14:50 #kisslinux <micro_O> for example, binary packages would be easier to make and distribute
2020-05-18T20:15:11 #kisslinux <micro_O> as would the age old 'test a new version and rollback if you hates it'
2020-05-18T20:15:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> micro_O: You can do 'KISS_ROOT=~/dir kiss i pkg' to install things anywhere. If your user has write access to the directory, it's entirely rootless.
2020-05-18T20:16:19 #kisslinux <dylan02> This still uses the host for libraries though (can we fix this?). Binaries are fine though (Just add the KISS_ROOT/bin to your $PATH).
2020-05-18T20:18:14 #kisslinux <micro_O> kiss-env() { KISS_ROOT=$(mktemp -d "$(urlencode $@)".XXXXXX) kiss b baseinit "$@" && cd $KISS_ROOT }
2020-05-18T20:18:39 #kisslinux <micro_O> meh, just spitballing
2020-05-18T20:19:46 #kisslinux <micro_O> s/cd/chroot and export KISS_ROOT, etc
2020-05-18T20:21:50 #kisslinux <dylan02> That would work, yeah.
2020-05-18T20:22:27 #kisslinux <dylan02> And it already exists (kiss chbuild)
2020-05-18T20:22:30 #kisslinux <dylan02> Forgot all about it
2020-05-18T20:23:48 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://termbin.com/72ob
2020-05-18T20:24:20 #kisslinux <dylan02> This also installs core (Uses the release tarballs)
2020-05-18T20:24:52 #kisslinux <dylan02> Though there's no dependency resolution (I'll get to it).
2020-05-18T20:27:27 #kisslinux <micro_O> hmm so i wonder how many steps we are away from automating tarball builds and having binary packages for those on, say, slow computers
2020-05-18T20:27:41 #kisslinux <micro_O> kiss chbuild + kiss export seems like a decent start
2020-05-18T20:44:13 #kisslinux <claudia> o/
2020-05-18T20:44:29 #kisslinux <himmalerin> hullo!
2020-05-18T20:44:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2020-05-18T20:44:36 #kisslinux <claudia> for kiss-chbuild: what do you think about symlinking the hosts sources to the chroot sources?
2020-05-18T20:44:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> something about these widgets man. qt just ain't havin' it
2020-05-18T20:45:02 #kisslinux <claudia> so the sources are available
2020-05-18T20:48:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> merakor: https://github.com/kisslinux/community/blob/master/community/sysmgr/build#L4 << better to use '/usr/lib/init/rc.d' for hooks
2020-05-18T20:48:48 #kisslinux <illiliti> merakor: same for https://github.com/kisslinux/community/blob/master/community/sinit/build#L9
2020-05-18T20:56:31 #kisslinux <claudia> dilyn: we need thosed widgets!!
2020-05-18T20:56:42 #kisslinux <claudia>  : P
2020-05-18T21:02:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> Unfortunately!
2020-05-18T21:02:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm damn near at my wit's end
2020-05-18T21:02:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> I've been trying this since 8am. It's 5 now.
2020-05-18T21:16:33 #kisslinux <claudia> dilyn: What is your progress? I saw you have solved elogind. Are you trying to start up the spaceship? :)
2020-05-18T21:16:46 #kisslinux <claudia> *still
2020-05-18T21:17:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah and we've got a massive failure to launch
2020-05-18T21:18:57 #kisslinux <claudia> dang
2020-05-18T21:19:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah. Everything builds, now we're just trying to see if it can work
2020-05-18T21:19:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> Of course the qt5 tarball I made was the precious one without dbus
2020-05-18T21:19:39 #kisslinux <dilynm> So it's useless to me
2020-05-18T22:10:15 #kisslinux <onodera> https://a.uguu.se/1vBmudBdJFIv_scrot552.png
2020-05-18T22:10:27 #kisslinux <onodera> I'm running into an issue with lilo, and I have no idea why
2020-05-18T22:10:38 #kisslinux <onodera> only one person on the internet has the same issue as me...
2020-05-18T22:10:55 #kisslinux <onodera> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Nd1vehogLg4J:irclogs.shortcircuit.net.au/%2523crux/2020-03-14.log.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nl
2020-05-18T23:19:34 #kisslinux <onodera>  dylan02: https://a.uguu.se/PZehCOPwxpSG_scrot554.png
2020-05-18T23:19:41 #kisslinux <onodera> do you know whats going wrong here?
2020-05-18T23:21:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Did you install util-linux?
2020-05-18T23:21:58 #kisslinux <onodera> yep
2020-05-18T23:22:06 #kisslinux <onodera> and I tried it with the alternative as well
2020-05-18T23:22:09 #kisslinux <onodera> kiss a
2020-05-18T23:23:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilynm: KDE requires qt5 with dbus?
2020-05-18T23:23:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> kio requires dbus
2020-05-18T23:23:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> I guess I shouldn't have expected anything else
2020-05-18T23:23:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol
2020-05-18T23:23:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> Also polkit
2020-05-18T23:25:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh no polkit :(
2020-05-18T23:25:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh maybe kio doesn't need dbus...
2020-05-18T23:25:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> no it does seem to, the CMakeLists.txt has DBus in its components that're required for the find_package(Qt5
2020-05-18T23:26:45 #kisslinux <onodera> ill try rebuilding linux-utils...
2020-05-18T23:26:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Would you need dbus if you opted for Wayland I wonder? I know nothing about Wayland
2020-05-18T23:27:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> I know if you want to use Xorg you basically need dbus
2020-05-18T23:28:18 #kisslinux <onodera> why
2020-05-18T23:28:21 #kisslinux <onodera> im using xorg without dbus
2020-05-18T23:29:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> If you want to launch kde
2020-05-18T23:29:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> If you don't have elogind or something like that and try to exec startplasma-x11 it complains about dbus
2020-05-18T23:30:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> But if Wayland doesn't require dbus to launch kde, and the kde framework and plasma only optionally require it, then... You could be dbus free
2020-05-18T23:31:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> JK Wayland requires elogind to work with kde. As per Gentoo wiki at least
2020-05-18T23:31:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> f
2020-05-18T23:38:06 #kisslinux <onodera> dylan02: rebuilding udev and util linux fixed the errors
2020-05-18T23:38:19 #kisslinux <onodera> however it is still halting at "boot stage completed in xs
2020-05-18T23:38:27 #kisslinux <onodera> after that no prompt or anything
2020-05-18T23:38:34 #kisslinux <onodera> why am I running into problem after problem...
2020-05-18T23:39:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Can you change gettys?
2020-05-18T23:39:28 #kisslinux <onodera> i dont know how
2020-05-18T23:39:37 #kisslinux <onodera> because I am in a web thingy
2020-05-18T23:39:43 #kisslinux <onodera> controlling the vps
2020-05-18T23:40:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> alt+f2 should just work no?
2020-05-18T23:40:16 #kisslinux <onodera> oh the crux site updated
2020-05-18T23:40:17 #kisslinux <onodera> very cool
2020-05-18T23:40:20 #kisslinux <onodera> ill try
2020-05-18T23:42:10 #kisslinux <onodera> ah that works
2020-05-18T23:42:11 #kisslinux <onodera> ty
2020-05-18T23:42:43 #kisslinux <onodera> weird why the pormpt doesn't spawn in the initial tty...
2020-05-18T23:46:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2mE2 my prompt looks exciting, and then also nothing
2020-05-18T23:46:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> New inittab, I see
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