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I also like Modula-3, and wish it was more accessible as well.
Apr 26 · 3 weeks ago
> The good and bad, for me, about Pascal is that there aren't 1 million websites that have solved every problem for me. With python I just do a search f or my problem and get an answer
I think that's a quality of python itself, due to how popular it is. I've found that most other languages don't have this either, so it might not be a thing with pascal.
> i never liked this '\n' and printf because we pay for it with preprocessor
s (c requires cpp preprocessor), defines, macros, and complex compilers.
I never thought of it this way. But I don't know if a simple \n needs a pre-processor, though.
> for m3 i know - cm3.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
> for oberon, i am biased. i have my project i work on since long ago.
Honestly, this is really impressive. VOC looks very mature. The package manager is very cool too.
> it means it produces very readable, but c code. libc is a dependency, c compiler too. but the generated c code is safe, and there is a good runtime.
Really? How do you ensure the safety of the C code? And how is the mapping from oberon to C?
> so in order to write that irc bot, first i made a wrapper for unix sockets, then implemented some part of irc protocol, then only the bot logic.
That doesn't sound so bad. I know you usually wouldn't need to do the first two steps but after you're done, you could use the protocol implementation for other projects. They're always there.
on safety of c code: it is a generated c code. likewise writing in assembly is not safe but assembly generated from oberon or ada is safe. (:
another addition is this example: oberon arrays always have size. even if you expect in the function
VAR str: ARRAY OF CHAR
when you get str, you know the size. we pass the size as an additional argument, it is visible in c code, but hidden in oberon.
oberon compiler which produces machine code would send an oberon string which is actually a struct with one field for size. well voc also keeps arrays as structs with one field for length.
TKurtBond, on package manager, my dream is to be able to
have lots of 'ports' that can download even this or that forgotten software from this or that university website, patch it, build it and make it available. it is possible, i need to work on it, but of course everybody is invited.
vipack is designed to work under oberon os. for example its internal interfaces don't know about directories. there is a linux backend which opens the file and returns the descriptor, but nothing in main modules that knows about directories. it tells a function to retrieve lets say this json from the storage, and the storage is abstracted. so i hope i will be able to integrate it with oberon os.
Why did Wirth's languages never see widespread adoption besides Pascal? Even Pascal is not used much nowadays outside of Delphi and Lazarus. I tried Pascal myself and I found it to be a nice language structurally, but I also found it to be missing basic features that relate to writing the language itself (example: not being able to insert newlines into strings like you would do in C via '\n'). I also don't like how much "modern" Pascal is centered around just 2 compilers: FreePascal and...
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